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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: EIGHTWGT on December 12, 2008, 05:17:00 PM
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I am shooting a 43# Reflex Deflex longbow and wondering who is using these shafts as I want to try them.
I draw 28"
43#
Arrow Length 30"
100 grain inserts
150 grain heads
Im right on the line between 150's and 250's and think Ill get the 150's but wanted to post for suggestions as I do not want to buy a dozen arrows and find out the spine is wrong (ordering from 3 Rivers)
Thanks
Tom
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If your bow is not cut real close to center, you may need the 90s.
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Definately not the 250's. If you have a way to cut them yourself, then I would not get them cut so you can bare shaft them from full length.
A little length will go a long way in tuning carbons. Moreso than adding wieght IMO.
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Look at this chart
http://www.3riversarchery.com/pdf/CarbonExpressChart.pdf
Im right at the line between 150 and 250
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BTW - I prefer long shaftsand now shoot CF RaDIAL PRO 200'S AT 30"
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150s,,, 250s way stiff for 43lbs
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I shoot 150's out of my 52# Bruin recurve cut at 30.5" w/50gr. brass inserts and 150 gr points. They shoot great! I had first bought 250's but they ended up way to stiff in spine.
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I shoot 150's out of my 52# at 28" Tomahawk with 150 grains up front. They shoot nice.
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I don't agree with that chart at all. I shoot 250s out of 55#@28" recurve and I have to put 225grs up front to get good arrow flight. They are saying I can put 125grs up front with the 250...???? I don't agree!
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I shoot 150's w/50gr insert & 145gr head full length,out of a 45# longbow @ 28".
Leland
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90s
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Hmmmm........
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Tom, so many opinions because it depends on a few factors, one big one being how far your bow is cut to center. The only way to be sure is to buy a couple of each shaft, you would like to try, and bareshaft test them. If the chart shows between 150's and 250's test them both. The Carbon Express Heritage shafts are extremely durable and easy to bareshaft tune, you will like them. I shoot the 250's out of my Black Widow PLX (54#@29") and they perform very well. GOOD LUCK
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dont go by the charts.....the ce 90 is .530 spine , but only come in a 29" shaft and do not accept the brass inserts
the ce 150 full length with 100 grains brass insert , and 150-200 grain head would be your best bet.
the 250 is going to be way too stiff.
some other options ....would be vapor 2000s from sipsey river...those are closer to .530 spine and accept the brass inserts..
or a lighter arrow like the easton epic 600 .....600 spine with around 175 up front..these would only weigh around 400 grains...the other arrows will be over 500 grains...hope this helps...
the goldtip 35-55 would be another option set up like the ce150..
if carbons are cut short they stiffen up quickly..you're better off shooting a full length arrow and playing with point weight when dealing with low poundage bows....... all of my longbows are in the mid 40s.. and i currently shoot blackhawk vapors with 250 up front, i also shoot easton epic 600s, and i also shoot the ce terminator jrs (which is only a 28" shaft) but a .628 spine
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150's. I shoot 150's out of a 53# recurve with 100 grain insert and 125 grain point.
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That chart is for a 125 tip. You say 100 insert with a 150 point, thats 250 not the 125 the chart was set for.
Got to get some shafts and bareshaft. I shoot CX250 out of a 47#@27" drawing 28 1/2 with a 30 1/2 arrow with 175 up front. Any more weight up front and I too weak. Morrison Shawnee carbon foam core limbs.
Mike
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If your goin to go with one..it will probably be the 150's, I personally go with EFOC and load the front, but then thats me. I'm shooting 150's @46# and have them cut to 29.5" with 175grn up front and they fly like darts.
P.
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I have a 46# R/D longbow (not cut all the way to center) that shoots 31" 150's with 125-150 grain heads really well. Used the chart and got 250s first, they were waaaaaaaay too stiff.
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Hi Tom
For whatever it's worth, you can minimize your risk of purchasing shafts that won't work in one of two ways:
1. You can purchase individual CE Heritage shafts (uncut) from "Lancaster Archery". You specify which shaft and what qty.
2. "3Rivers" also sells a "test kit", contains 2 of each: 90's, 150's, 250's, 350's.
Good luck (I'm in a similar boat at the moment myself)!!
Dave
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150's @ 30 1/2 with 100gr. inserts 150 heads shooting Tomahawk 53#@28" however I pull 56#@29".
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I shoot 150's w/ 250 grains up front cut to 28" with my 59# Centaur. 250's way to stiff.
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150s I shoot them out of a 52# longbow with 275 gr. up front. Bareshafted a little weak before feathers were installed.
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I'd go with the 150's for that set up! I love these shafts. I've taken five deer with the same arrow with just clean up and re fletch. I use a Magnus Stinger on the buisness end.
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I am going to go with the 150's ... I saee the 250's will be too stiff...
BTW - My riser is cut about .07 past center...so it's close
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I think the 150's will be way too stiff unless you put 300 grains up front. BUT you can leave them waaaay long and adjust from there.
Jack
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You should be just right with the 150's. I had a 45# Martin Savannah that I shot the same setup on, 100 grn inserts and 150 grn heads. You'll have to leave them long.
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Whe you say cut past center, are you including your rest? when most bowyers cut past center it's only about a 16th..doesnt really matter though. Also you are going to find many varied results as to what they use that works or not, but then they are using as many different bows with different speed and enganeered efficiency, so this could account for the varied responses. Good luck to ya.
P.
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I shoot 30" 250's with drawing 56lb on my recurve w/ff string. Standard insert and 165 grain field point. You really should try to get a couple single shafts, maybe 3 so you get one of each size. It's worth spending a few extra bucks to make sure you have the right setup. I found that mine are fairly sensitive to length adjustments - half an inch can make a noticeable difference.
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Tom I got some 250's if ya want to try them. Call me I am going Sunday afternoon.
Shawn
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I have a dozen 250's to trade for a dozen 150's if anyone is interested? Great arrows.
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My specs are identical to yours except I generally shoot 125 gr heads and have closer to 29" draw. However, this is bow dependent and doesn't necessarily mean what works for me works for you.
I am slightly weak with 150's if I make a nice full healthy draw. If I went to 250's I would probably need pretty long arrows though, that I'd prefer not to have.
I have found that a small aluminum footing, extending a bit beyond the insert on the carbon arrow will stiffen it a bit. Increasing or decreasing footing size can tune the arrows some. Footing is a great idea with CX Heritages and I prefer this instead of going with 33+" arrows. Also a fletched shaft will be very slightly stiffer than an unfletched shaft that you tune with, so very slightly weak can actually be preferred.