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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Doug Campbell on January 17, 2009, 08:39:00 PM
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I'm still shaking my head over this one... Some of you know that I shot a sheep last year with a stone point so that's where this story starts.
A week or so ago I got a call from a guy who had tagged along with a buddy on a sheep hunt this year in the same area I hunted. His buddy had shot a nice sheep and given him a hind quarter for helping out. As he was skinning the quarter out he noticed something odd just under the skin near the knee joint. Here's what he saw...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/gotahunt/Stonepointinsheepleg.jpg)
Here's what it turned out to be after he cut it out.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/gotahunt/Stonepointfromsheepleg.jpg)
He knew I'd shot my sheep last year with a stone point so he called to quiz me about it as it's not every day you find something like this. As I wrote in my story originally I'd not found the point I shot my sheep with and apparently this is why.
OK here's where it get real strange, I shot two stone points at sheep. The first one I watched shatter on the rocks under the sheep I was shooting at. I have that arrow on my work bench minus the point.
The point in the picture is certainly the point I shot my sheep with... The arrow penetrated to the feathers when I shot the sheep and he bolted into the brush with arrow showing on both sides. The only other sheep near him at the shot was the ewe he was chasing by the way. I recovered the back half of my arrow but couldn't find the front half with the point. I have my theories but curious to hear yours...
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That is amazing! I remember reading your story. The odds of finding that point are probably worse than winning the lottery! I am anxious to hear some of the theories.
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Maybe it collided with another sheep after the shot?
That is strange for sure!! Amazing.
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Arrow broke, front half fell out, hit the ground shaft first, sheep ran into it, breaking the head off in its leg...
Thats the only thing I can think of...Stranger things have happened...
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Maybe as your sheep bolted into the brush there was more sheep in that brush that you did not see and in the process of all the sheep running for safety the one with the stone point purtrudeing from it's side had a kind of collision with the one your friend shot thus snaping your point off into not so vitals. To bad your sheep did'nt have a better aim :D kinda gives new meaning to the term snap shooting :biglaugh:
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No clue, but it's very perplexing and remarkable!
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I've never been very good at figuring out mysteries, and this one is no exception. I don't have a clue! Every theory I can think up sounds so implausible that I can't even take a wild guess. :confused: :confused:
Definately the same head that you last saw sticking out the side of the sheep that you shot and eventually recovered?
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Would that be the shattered one that had enough force to penetrate into the hind quarter???
Or did That sheep happen to bed down on that point????
amazing what one can find when we look hard enough!!!
Blueline
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Amazing! Some things are better kept a mystery.
Mick
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Weird!!
It appears the point entered from the back side of the ham, pointing to the front of the leg/knee?
Sorry Doug, I'm not familiar with your story on last years goat, so it's a guessing game for me on how the point got there in the ham.
I just have to say that's quite an awesome experience.
God Bless, David B.
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since it was near the knee it might've stuck him from the ground.
I lost a broad head out of my quiver this year in the wire grass and I worried about someone getting impaled in the shin just catching the point wrong on a forward step.
on a smaller scale my feet get stuck with tooth picks on accident when they fall to the carpet and stick at an angle. Same premise with the arrow.
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remarkable!
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When Rock hit Rock, Broken piece glanced up and made penetration into your first quarry? Sounds like a good theory to me :goldtooth: :goldtooth:
Tell ya why later
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Dang swamp pygmy how many tooth pics you got in your carpet. Just teasing, I actually had that happen once too. AS for the arrow head I am really looking forward to hearing your theory.
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I know a guy who was cutting some bitterbrush to make a blind at a waterhole for antelope. He was seriously cut on the leg- and didn't even notice it until a friend asked how he had cut his leg.
After some first aid; they searched the area and found an old ( presumably) stone head that was almost completely grown over in a thick piece of bitterbrush- they had walked by.
The thought was that somebody a long time ago had shot at an antelope and hit the branch- and the branch grew around it. Just a bit of it was sticking out and did the cut on the leg ( and on his pants too).
Perhaps that arrow you shot got stuck in the brush; and the sheep impaled itself on it. It looks like that is the inside of the leg; which would make even more sense; as the opposite leg might have contributed to the situation.
The only other option would be that someone found the point and used it on their own arrow; and that seems very highly unlikely.
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That is just one of those things you can talk about for years to come, over a camp fire, with some buddies. :thumbsup:
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My theory is that the one you shot recovered enough to take the stone point and mug another one who didn't give up the goods quickly enough. So the one you shot stabbed him.
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Originally posted by Iron Bull:
When Rock hit Rock, Broken piece glanced up and made penetration into your first quarry? Sounds like a good theory to me :goldtooth: :goldtooth:
Sounds good to me too.
What an amazing way for that point to come home. Put that one in the medicine bag!!
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@MO
actually a freakish amount. I get teased about it. I usually have at least one sticking out from everything I eat. If I'm eating a brisket sandwich or something it looks like a pin cushion. But they really seem to like falling out by my computer desk when I'm wearing socks. lol.
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I believe that is the right hind leg and it looks like the point went in behind the knee and traveled back.It would help to know which way your arrow angled and which side it exited.If your sheep had the arrow out his right side,angling forward,they could have passed each other going opposte directions.If your sheep had it exiting his left side angling back,they could have been going the same direction and this sheep impaled himself,trying to pass on your sheeps left side.This all,is assuming I am right about the leg pictured being the right hind leg.
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I think Iron Bull has it correct
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Regardless of what happend mate that point now has some serious MoJo on it. Better keep it in your pocket from now on.
Thats what I would do anyhow.
ak.
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I guess it would be nice to see what came out of the second animal, or is that what we're seeing in the hand?
If we are seeing the point from the second sheep, then I would have to say your dead sheep and the second one had a CLOSE ENCOUNTER!! Before you retrieved you sheep....Kinda like the BUMPED together during the escape!!!....WOW now that would be some slim odds right there....And a SHARP STOUT Head
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d171/IronBull_/Smileys/smileycigar.gif)
Just try wrapin ye head around that THEORY...Stuck by your brother...........
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I'm not sure but It sure will be interesting to find out. :thumbsup:
Tracy
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I've seen pretty strange arrow trajectories after first going through a game animal and then glancing off rock...including going straight up into the air. Sounds like something similar may have happened here...just happened to be a ram in the way when the arrow went wild. One thing is for sure, this is the stuff that camplore is made of!
:campfire:
Claudia
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First thought would be a Glance...Doug says
"The arrow penetrated to the feathers when I shot the sheep and he bolted into the brush with arrow showing on both sides."
No chance Glance there..Had to have happened after the shot and before retrieval, I would have to think!!
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Iron Bull said.....When Rock hit Rock, Broken piece glanced up and made penetration into your first quarry? Sounds like a good theory to me
That's what I think happened also
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Way cool story Doug......get this....
Skyler Wilson shot a hog and it ran off with the arrow showing out both sides ......when the arrow came out the head penetrated the hog again making another wound.
I recon that could have happened to yours.
Man, what are the odds of you getting that head back???????
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Hey Gang, been nose to the grindstone, literally... Glad to see all the responces and like my other Brother Michael said, this is one that can go on and on. Maybe we can discuss it over some more of that Apple Pie stuff sometime ;)
The pieces in the "hand" picture are what was in the sheep's leg as shown in the first pic. I thought about the point laying on the ground and this sheep somehow getting stuck by it. Not likely, you cannot even imagine all the sharp rock and stuff in this area that these sheep deal with every day of thier lives. There are thousands of tons of shards and chips of flint rock everywhere, it's like walking on acres of broken glass in places.
My other Brother Vance's first theory I hadn't thought of before. I can't imagine after the head hammering the cliff under the sheep that it could detach from the shaft and still be intact enough to penetrate another sheep on a glancing blow.
The only thing I can imagine is my running sheep impaled this other sheep with the point sticking out of his side...
Oh yea Terry the odds of getting that point back are about zip... The guy figures it's a pretty cool trophy ;) Guess I can't fault him for that...
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You guys are really over thinking this one. It's quite obvious what happened here. When Doug harvested his sheep there was another sheep in site that witnessed the entire hunt. This sheep believed that Doug would be back next year after him and realized that he didn't have a chance. So he decided that it would be easier to just throw himself on the exposed broadhead stuck in the stone.
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:saywhat:
That is STRANGE!
Interesting though that the stone broadhead didn't seem to harm the muscle much. I found a Thunderhead and a section of 2613 in an elk shoulder. It was encased in a baseball sized mound of gristle.
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Hey Doug...is he gonna give you your head back?
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No idea what happened, it's quite the story. Doug, how far away from where you shot your sheep did your buddy get his? I would be trading buddy whatever it takes to get that head and making it into a necklace!
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So I take it you don't remember if that's the head you used on your first shot or on the ram you took? Very cool none the less.
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Wow, what an interesting development!!!
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What I find impossible about the running into theroy is the head penetrated the inside of the leg. Or did I misunderstand? If the head had penetrated the "inside" of the leg that would tend to rule out the running into theory I would think
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Again,and I didn't get an answer to this,I don't think that IS the inside of the thigh but the outer(right thigh).I might be wrong but if it is the inside of the thigh,you should be able to see the thigh bone.
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Just visiting with Doug and Jim your correct it is the outside of the hind quarter. Not the inside.
Ain't it nice to be right once in a while :biglaugh:
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The other thing we need to know is,which side of Doug's sheep did the head exit on?Sheep no. 2 got stuck behind the right knee,angling toward the rear.If Doug's arrow came out his sheep's left side,angling toward the rear,then sheep no.2 must have passed on sheep no.1's left side and got poked.If Doug's sheep had the exit wound on the right side,angling forward,then the two sheep had to pass each other going in opposite directions.Doesn't anybody watch CSI?
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Wow this is getting complicated... My sheep was shot right to left, arrow angling slightly forward. Sheep #2 was stuck in the right hind, outside right at the knee with the head pointing fwd.
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It doesn't sound too complicated once you know all the details.I thought the wound in the second sheep went back.It sounds like the second sheep may have been standing but at any rate,your sheep blew by him or,for that matter,they could have even run side by side.The pumping of the hind legs on sheep no 2 would have been enough to do it.Anyway,it's one of the coolest hunting stories I've ever heard and shows the deadliness of those "primitive" heads.Thanks a lot for sharing it.
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now that there is Amazing!
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Just goes to show you, there's MORE fun to be had. If you'll just PAY ATTENTION to the details :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Wow. Did you buy your powerball ticket yet ? ;)
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ALIENS!