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...no , I had 2 super gloves, I bought 2 years ago , i buy 2 at time ...this time when I ordeded it , the leather and tips were completely different .Bottom line it doesnt feel the same , or break in the same to me...I called a was told its not made in the USA anymore...hell I bet the people makin them dont even know what bowhunting or archery is all about. Everything is not made in America anymore. Man! whats guy to do...dont they make anything here in the US , gosh ...it wouldn't be so bad , but excuse me , this over seas stuff is Crap! ...maybe Im venting ...God bless all you guys and gals that make some of our STUFF in the good old USA...we still do it right ...don't we .. :) :readit: : :wavey: ps what ur favorite bowhunting , archery thing still made in the good ole USA ?
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One Vote for all the stuff offered by Mike's Archery Leather! :thumbsup:
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Well, I'm obviously biased but KME Sharpeners of course! :biglaugh:
Ron
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Whisperstik Bows
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All the above and American Leathers Big Shot glove and Arrowmaster quiver among others.
Ray
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My GENUINE "Custom" Made In America Bows. :wavey:
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Most anything that DOESN'T say "Made in (Insert random asian country here)"
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Black Widow Bows!!!! It's a shame we keep putting up places to spend the American Dollar in. Like Coffee shops,stores, Strip Malls, ,Malls etc etc. We should be putting up places to MAKE the American Dollar in like FACTORIES! How many acres of Farm Land are we loosing every year? :scared:
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Originally posted by bayoulongbowman:
hell I bet the people makin them dont even know what bowhunting or archery is all about.
I tried to order some field points and broadhead adapters a while back from one of the biggest trad archery supply houses in the country. I didn't have thier catalog handy so couldn't give the guy part #s. He didn't have a clue what I was talking about, long story short I asked if he knew anything about archery and he says "no I'm just hired to take orders and don't mess with any of this stuff."
After 10 minutes of trying to discribe what a field point was I was so discussed I hung up....
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It definitely gets tougher every year to find made in the USA products. I'll throw in a vote for Day One camo. Does anyone know of a Bean hunting shoe style boot made entirely in the USA?
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The Bean Boot is but thats a about it.
Most people could careless where its made as long as they can get it for a dollar 2.98.
Eric
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Guys I guess its up to us....start here and now , support our American products , pass the word let others know. America needs YOU now more than ever!.... :thumbsup:
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Marco....Mongols were using recurves thousands of years ago. Guess who won the last Olympics?
How about Canada (ChekMate)? Scotland (Border Bows)? How about the imported woods for bowmaking? How about all the plants used for medicines that come from tropical rain forest?
Let's keep in mind that we can't operate any longer within our own shores. We just need to balance the trades....not eliminate them. If we lock the borders, only the rich will be able to afford archery in a short time.
It's always good to support the USA manufacturers when possible...but be careful what you wish for.
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I agree! Im gunna make sure my next work boots are made in the good old USA. Anyone know of any coveralls that are made here? I didn't see any on the day one site. God Bless America! -Chris
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George, those are great products I guess you named , but when something is good or great being made in the USA , then turns to crap and goes overseas , I dont like it. I understand checks and balances , but when products are inferior or just dont cut it that bothers me.Whats good will stand on it own...too many things that use to be made here , good things, are moving other places, I dont like it. Just my 2cents, whicj aint worth nothing here, but in China maybe 4 cents.. :)
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Not too mention all the jobs lost, bayoulongbowman.
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There is only one answer - you could not afford it.
It goes far beyond archery, the computer you are working on, look at your house and take everything out that was not exclusively made in the US....
You might find yourself sitting on the floor cooking over an open fire.
You dont have the raw materials and the labour costs are way to high.
It goes into everything in modern day living, you might have to end up riding a horse to work, if you have something left to work on. The modern office can not operate without imported equipment, will be way to expensive.
Cost is the main reason why the manufactoring is taking place outside the country, companies like even Xerox that I work for had to make their products cheaper or not survive,still some of the best printers on the market but if you can buy a fax machine for $40 from China and send only 1 fax a day, are you willing to buy one for $120 to send that same fax???
I agree with the quality side of what you guys are saying but quality costs more and you can spend more on your favorite hobby(Archery)but not evrything in your life.
My Border Black Douglas cost me 900 pounds(British) our microwave cost me 40pounds and is 4 years old but thats life.
Spend on what you love, the rest you just have to deal with.
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No sir, there comes point where quality means something , I never said I had problem with things made overseas, good things that hold up, like computers and such...but when it goes overseas and use to be made in America and is inferior, thats where I draw the line , God bless America ... :)
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My four boys are American Made ! !
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Favorite American made product for hunting"
Niff-T-Seat.
Double Bull Matrix though I understand they've been sold and may now be made overseas???? :scared:
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The thing I don't understand is how a company can move overseas, use inferior materials, drastically reduce labor costs and continue to charge the same prices for an all around inferior product. Woolrich is one company that comes to mind and there are dozens of others that have done the same thing.
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Greg, I hold heartly agree. I remember when I was kid ,if it said made in Japan, it was junk, well not anymore , they make good trucks, but they still dont have the leg room for big and tall guys!! Japan makes fishing grear , golf, tv's...and they hold up , what Im talkin about is , I guess the junk, dumming down the products...does quality mean anything...heck I read the other day where drywall being sold here in the US is causing toxic mold...think of all the homes after the hurricanes with that crap in the homes!!!!! That dont cut it with me!!! Where is the quality control, lead paint isssues, oh I could go on and on!!!!!!!!Americans are tried of it ....yes sir Im God fearing redneck American ...are ya with me !!!!!! :)
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What Greg said! Alot of them charge a "Made in USA" price for there stuff that aint.
I dont mind paying the extra for "Home Made" stuff. Especialy small businesses, where everyone from the bottom up is making it happen.
Eric
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A couple of points. We can't assume that everything American made is good quality. Some of it isn't. I've had bows that delaminated and had uneven cut nocks...that were made in America.
2nd point. Many U.S. bowyers use exotic woods from other countries (bacote, cocobolo, bubinga, etc.) We all have seen those threads asking what wood combinations go good together. So no more Blacktail, etc. I guess. What U.S. bowyer doesn't use them? The only one that comes to mind is Great Northern.
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Mark,
I couldn't agree more.What is sad is that our government pushes companys overseas by intervention,over regulation and taxation.Maby another suject but it's true. :coffee:
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Never said anything about everything being good made in the USA!!!!!!never said I want everything American....( as long as I got osage, wal
nut, hickory and red elm ...Im happy camper!!!LOL Mike what you said about govt. pushing comapanies is true , some what but some is just about pure greed...... Im done lata....... :)
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Its time if at all possible to buy American. All these companies moving production is only greed. Greed from the companys and the consumer. Even in Wally World if you compair products you may find one made in the US. A couple of weeks ago a big catalog had brand name knifes on sale I ordered 3 the one I had was made in USA the new ones are made in China I would not have ordered them if I had known at the time they were not made in the US. Carbon arrows can be found still made in the US.. Once manufactures see that it is important to folks that products be made here more will stay..It may mean we have to spend a few more $$ for a product but it may just mean saveing your own or your neighbors job.
I have lost 2 jobs one of 28 years because they moved production to China..so yes it is important to me.
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I guess there are good bowyer and craftsmen in many countrys. Bad too.
I love scottish bows from Border, don´t want to miss my Black Widow and I look forward to get my Blacktail. In Germany we have great bowyer like Stegmeyer, Kienle, Friedrich and many more.
So I want to say: good money for good work, no matter where it comes from.
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I am sorry to learn that my favorite glove is now
made overseas! I have three or four new ones put
up that will last me for a while and then i'll go
to a different glove! I will also contact Alasaka
Bowhunting Supply know that I will not be ordering
anything from him in the future! Maybe it would have been cheaper for him to continue to have them
made in Alasaka! I would have been glad to pay even a higher price! Thats how you stop this BS!
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To me "American made" doesn't exclude products using materials that are sourced from other countries. My HH Wesely, for example, uses cocobolo from South America for the riser and bamboo from Japan for the limb cores. Even so, I would consider it a thoroughly American made bow. Craig and his crew did the work that turned the raw materials into the finished product, and that's what counts to me.
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As someone who makes their living in manufacturing,it is great to see some support for products made here.
Buying raw materials that are not available here is necessary and is not the problem.A product made here using these materials is still USA made and someone earns a living by producing the product.
The problem is foreign labor. Even at minimum wage there is no way that Americans can compete with Chinese wages. In our industry we are competing with .19 per hour wages for less skilled labor and $ 1.00 per hour for the most skilled.This is for heavy precision machining.Quality has gone out the window. Most parts coming in require 100% inspection and rework with many being scrapped.
Government regs are also a problem but many are necessary but not observed there. We have safety and EPA regs, and rightfully so, that employers here must comply with. Safety is of no concern there and they continue to spew tons of polutants into the air and water that will someday effect us all.
What few products produced here that are exported to these countries are burdend with heavy taxes. U.S manufacturers who chose to have parts produced overseas are allowed to bring them into this country usually duty free as long as it is not an assemled product. Once again we lose.
Greed is at the heart of it all.
Look at what we have seen recently. Anti freeze in tooth paste, lead paint in childrens toys, tires that suddenly blow due to inferior workmanship,and the list goes on. Any one of these things would shut an American company down but we continue to import all we can.
Call it protectionism if you want but all the American worker wants is a level playing field.
This country must produce to survive.We can't all work in sales or service when there is no one left to buy.Manufacturing is the backbone of this country and more is disappearing daily.
God forbid that we should see another world war but in the past manufacturers of all products tooled up and made necessary war related items. Who will we out source these products to when we can no longer produce them ourselves. China? Korea? South Vietnam? Lets hope they are on our side and the quality of their products are better than what we have seen.
It certainly is time to buy American when possible. As you look around you will find that this can be difficult to do. Insisting on American products when possible is the only way to turn this around. Our government isn't going to change this. Big business isn't going to bury the greed out of patriotism. The only one who can make a difference is the consumer.
For those of you who have lost your jobs to these countries and for those of us who see more of ours go every day this topic hits real close to home.
Take care,
Ed
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In my last post I did not make my self very clear. I dont have a problem buying Items from outside the US. My problem is with US companies sending jobs out for basicly slave labor wages then import the items back to the US or anywhere for that matter.
Mike
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NAFTA, thanks to Bill Clinton.
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What's really sad is the worlds largest container ships regularly come from china to the US loaded to the gills with foreign goods and guess what's in them on the way back? Raw materials? U.S. made goods?.....Try this......NOTHING!!!!!
That's right, container ships bring us everything to use in our daily lives and go back home empty. There is nothing we make that they want I guess... Oh, that's right, we don't make anything anymore except debt and China doesn't want to buy that any more either. And ya know what? I can't blame them one bit. I wonder what'll happen if the day ever comes when China says something like "payment is due in full by XX/XX date." Oh that's right, our government has mortgaged "the house" several times over. Guess we'll just have to hand over the keys and start to speak Chinese huh?
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Hidden Hunter Blinds...made in the USA!
http://www.shrewbows.com/hiddenhunterblinds/index.html
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I only hunt in US made products. It took me 2 years to find a camo mask for turkey. The only one I could find came stuck to a bucket hat. I like it, just not what I was looking for. For deer I use a wool blend kids size stocking hat with a built in mask. Slim picks for US made products. No trouble with finding a US made hunting shirt thanks to Mr. LaClair. I guess we all just need to look to our Tradgang sponsers for some good hand made American stuff!
Katie
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I started working in textiles when I got out of the service in 1965. For 40+ years I worked hard while watching the industry move overseas. All 4 of the companies that I worked for are now extinct including the biggest textile company in the world.
Now my wife and I are putting all of our efforts into making products for archery. We have had several offers from outside the country offer to make products for us, but we quietly declined. We have also seen the competition here increase with several other companies making bow quiver models to compete with ours. At some point there may be as many different bow quivers as there are bows on the market, and that just gives us more to choose from. However, if anyone goes off shore to try to make them more cheaply, then it will have a harmful effect on the domestic manufacturing.
Especially at this time (when the economy is down) we should try to buy domestic as much as possible. Once an industry is gone it is not apt to ever return. We will always buy materials locally if they are available, and will always manufacture here. Now it's up to the rest of you to buy domestically as long as there is a choice.
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I would like to see a thread with things that are made in the USA, along with things we think are made here but really not.
1. Rocky Boots were made in Ohio... Now China.
2. DB Blinds were I don't believe they are now?
3. Levi jeans,,, not now..
4. Diamond Gusset jeans 100% USA...
Please continue listing USA or not to help educate everyone, I really think it may be a wakeup call.
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Originally posted by Bob Morrison:
1. Rocky Boots were made in Ohio... Now China.
I have a cherished pair that still have the "Made in USA" stamp in the soles. I've had them for over 20 years. The soles are starting to crumble but the uppers are still going strong.
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Just 2 cents: I try to not buy anthing made anywhere where I'm likely to have to be fighting them soon. That pretty much limits me to Made in USA and a couple of other spots.
As for coveralls...Carhart, but you gotta read the tag pair by pair to make sure.
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Bob, I just started a thread as you mentioned. I hate to buy an item thinking it's a domestic product and then find out it's a cheap imitation from an unfriendly country.
Last year I bought two hammocks that were advertised as being heavy duty. They were about half the weight of my Pawley Island hammock and now I have only about one half of one left.
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A couple items I use on a regular basis: Kershaw knives and Trumark slingshots. Kershaw is having a couple models made under contract in China now, but the majority of their knives are still made in the USA. Trumark slingshots are still being made in Boulder, CO. USA. :cool:
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Arrow Dynamics carbon arrows are produced in USA. The material,nocks,inserts,tooling and manufacturing,all done(proudly)in the good ole USA.
Glen Jr.
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2 Fletch,,, what is the thread name???? I've been shooting axis and goldtips,,,, May have to change...
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Bob, it's "Traditional Archery Products Made in the USA". If the list is long enough we might want to print it for future reference.
I ask Goldtip about their product and was told that all of them were now being made in Mexico.
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Beeler bows ...USA baby!!! :)
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Bob,
Axis are made in the USA.
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I go out of my way to buy American. I believe the the skills of the American worker, and the quality of American made goods is second to none. Usually I pay more for American made goods, that doesn't bother me, and I sleep real good at night!
I build American made goods, in a shop with American made tools, using 100% American raw materials, and seem to always carry at least a years worth of work in front of me. All this talk about foreign products being superior is merely the marketeers hawking their cheap products.
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Good point Bayou! We buy American too. I also like to use local mom and pop buisnesses (sp?).
I will buy foreign if the product is better. Thanks for bringing this up.
Brant
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Bateman Tabs. Black Widow Bows. Bob Lee Bows.
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There is small town I use to stop buy hunting and fishing supplies , there was mens clothing store too, well big wally world open up . no more stores...it just aint the same...if you are fortunate to have favorite store go and give them some help buy and pass the world. Now is the time for all good Americans to come to the aid .....of country and home...yes sir!!!
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M.A.L.
www.mikesarcheryleather.com (http://www.mikesarcheryleather.com)
100% Hand made in the good Ole USA
Hand stitched by a Veteran....
US Army 71-73
USMC 75-78
I would be happy to sell 1 Armguard a Day, keeps food on the table....
"So far not one order for the month of April"
A big thank you to all who do support M.A.L.
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This is one reason I don't hunt from treestands anymore.. Are there ANY still made in the USA???
I know my natural ground blinds are made in the USA.. LOL
John III
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ok mike you talked me into it order is in:thumbsup: