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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: beauhunter on April 09, 2009, 03:40:00 PM
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I have about a dozen and a half old bear razorheads. They are yellow & glue on, I'm wondering if anybody knows what they might weigh. I think they are about 135-145grains, but I'm not sure.
Any help is appreciated
Beau
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I would say more like 125. My screw ins weigh about 137.
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If I'm not mistaken they should weigh in about 125 without inserts. If you can wait, I'll weigh one of mine when I get home from work. If you cannot use them I would be interested in buying.
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Wow, I was way off. Please do weigh one, I've got time. All of my stuff is in Alaska anyway and I'm in a cabin in Montana.
Do you think these old heads will hold up on a Mountain Goat? I've been trying to look up old threads on them to see if anybody said what they weighed. None of the threads did, but a few people questioned the integrity of the head itself because it's only held together with a few spot welds.
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My glue ons weigh 125. As far as use on a goat, you will likely get a lot of differing opinions. From personal experience I will tell you that if you hit any bone they will curl up from the point back like an old sardine can lid. I have seen this happen back in the day hunting Spanish Mountain Goats on San Clemente Island. To prevent this we used to flatten the tip a little and then bevel it on each side.
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Beauhunter- These heads will hold up fine on a mountain goat. I've used these for aroung forty years and haven't had any problems. Lots of good heads out there and undoubtedly many are tougher/heavier duty than the Razorhead but I wouldn't hesitate to use one on any species of North American game. The head's weight is 125 grn. with the bleeder and no adapter when its new. I'm sure that no two of mine are exactly the same because no two have been sharpened the exact same amount. Most are 150-ish with the screw in adapter. Grant
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Nice, thanks a lot.
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I've put a bunch of them on a reloading scale and they've all been 112-117 gr. without the bleeders. Hap
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I have about 10 here in the shop and they weigh close to 115 grains w/o the inserts.
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Those heads are no good, please PM me for mailing address to get rid of them.
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Lol Shaun!! :D The old style bear razor BH's are a good head. Used them for years until they switched up the point, didn't care for the new design. If I remember right they were 125 grain.
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Shaun..I'm glad to see someone is interested in making sure that the metal gets recycled on those old heads :biglaugh:
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and if there are to many to ship to Shaun my shipping address is ........bd
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Mine weigh out at 110 grs consistantly!
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If you notice the price of the old Bears going up, it's that I've been buying up most of them. My father and I both use them and they're getting hard to find these days. Nice old heads.
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I believe Bear Archery manufactured somewhere around 3.5 million broadheads.bd
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The glue on Bear Razorheads typically weigh 112-115 grains without the 'bleeder'.
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Originally posted by the real bowdoc:
I believe Bear Archery manufactured somewhere around 3.5 million broadheads.bd
If you want to use a vintage head to hunt with,that's why.LOL Readily availible on the bay,and proven.I've picked up probably two dozen through here and there buys,including three unused ones.
Mine weigh about 110 on a reloading scale and about 143-147 with the aluminum insert.They'll soon be stuffed with steel adapters. ;)
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Mine are 115 w/out bleeder & 120 w/ bleeder. And you can kill a goat w/ them most definately.
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Guys,I just checked some old Bear screw ins I got in about 1970,with bleeders,un-sharpened,they are 153grns!!!!?????
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Better believe they'll hold up. Fred had different prototypes to try and wound up going back to the 125gr Bears for everything including polar bear if I remember right. I have a bunch too and have shot them at least 35 years.
DT, are those Bear screw-ins blue?
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Nice, thanks again. I thought that they were pretty good heads, but like I said when I did a search on them I found a surprising number of people saying they were actually fairly weak heads. Go figure.
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Originally posted by beauhunter:
Nice, thanks again. I thought that they were pretty good heads, but like I said when I did a search on them I found a surprising number of people saying they were actually fairly weak heads. Go figure.
No doubt there's stronger ones.One look at the tip on a Zwickey will tell you that.Three layers of steel vs one.But like someone said before,the Bear razorhead is to bowhuting what the 30-30win is the rifle hunting. ;)
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There are lots of stronger heads......but generally the Razorhead is strong enough.
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Back in 80 and 81, Bear was having problems with his new Stainless Razor heads. They were coming apart/not holding up well. Why Bear Archery never reintroduced the Original Razorhead still amazes me. There is still quite a following out there for those heads.
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Sweet, I think that I will put a tanto tip on them and get 'em razor sharp. Hopefully I can get them to tune out of the Pronghorn Herb is building me.
I pulled a top notch Mt. Goat tag in AK for this fall. Hoping to put some meat on the ground with my first custom bow.
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One reason Bear kind of never went back to the glue on head was bacause of aluminum arrows.
Screw in heads were getting more popular as time went on.It was way easier to just screw a broadhead into an aluminum arrow then to aline a glue on head onto wood.bd
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They do make the short broadhead adapters which work with the original Razorhead. The adapter fit just shy of the slot needed to install the insert.
I have plenty of the short adapters here and they work fine.
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I like them because they are so easy to sharpen and fly great. I do sharpen the tip with a different angle. Killed a lot of game with them.
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My Bear glue-ons weigh in around 117gr w/o bleeders. Sharpened a few times at least. They've been very reliable & easy to sharpen for at least 35 years or more. Shot completely through a hog including the offside leg bone w/o damage to the head at all.
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The Bear Razorhead Machine (yes machine..Fred's invention) spit out a broadhead every five seconds. So you may want to add to that 3 million number made.
Conservatively speaking, that means Bear turned out 1,440,000 Razorheads each year...based on a forty hour week only..one shift. So in three years time, they would have made over 4 million heads. If you ever get the chance, watch the Bear Video "Rural Route 1, Grayling, Michigan."
It shows the machine in motion...very amazing. Fred was quite a designer/inventor as well as a bowyer.
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I would agree with George that Bear made way more than 3 or 4 million... the head was in production from 1956/57 thru the early 80's. So the number was probalby closer to 30 million...