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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: joevan125 on May 05, 2009, 06:08:00 PM
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Neil from Bear Paw Bows suggested i put a elevated rest on my bow he is making.Im new to all this and my Dwyer Dauntless doesnt have one and i shoot it pretty good.Neil told me i could shoot vanes or feathers and it was easier to tune, and it makes a better HUNTING bow.Anybody else shoot a rest on there bow, thanks.
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fwiw, here's my opinions on recurves and rests ...
for all my freestyle target recurves, i would ONLY use an elevated rest.
for all my barebow hunting recurves, it's GOT to be a 'riser rest' - that is, any rest that allows the shaft to lay as close to my bow hand as possible.
ymmv!
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I do not but shoot feathers off the shelf and like the arrow to be closer to my hand. Feathers seem to me more forgiving,function well, look nice and seem right for wooden arrows.
If it's raining so hard they become waterlogged I go back home and have a beer.
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I like to use an elevated rest on my recurves. Rest like the Hoyt Super rest raise the arrow only about 1/4" above the bow shelf. Hardly enough to notice.
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Try the rest, you will like it. I have 2 Schafer and 2 of Neils LBs, all have a Bear weather rest. I prefer to shoot aluminum and carbons, yes feathers look good, vanes are weather proof and you can get 5 to 6 times the amount of vanes for the same cost as a dozen feathers. Put the rest on and shoot with it. You can always drop back to the shelf.
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It doesn't make sense for a longbow (real longbow) since there isn't much room anyway. I like them for recurves and have been using them for 43 years 8^). You can still shoot the bow instinctive-style, even cant the bow with no effect on sight picture and impact. Here's one on my '66 Kodiak.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/oldearcher46/000006.jpg)
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I think elevated rests are ugly.
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I not sure if it makes a differance if its ugly or not, but I think when guys like Barry Wensel and Paul Schafer use or used stick on rests there was a reason for it. They work well !!!
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im getting the 3 piece longbow with snake skins
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I've used a Neet Pro Rest (an exact copy of the old Hoyt Pro rest) on my Hoyt PMH for years. Perfect arrow flight.
Your brain will quicky compensate for the rest. No problems at all.
John III
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Hey Mike your right the vanes would be guiter and these south alabama deer are guick.I THINK I will try it i can always just take it off. Man i love this site because i just havent met anyone around here that has the same passion about trad gear. I really appreciate the feedback.
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I use an elevated rest on some of my recurves. If I was you I'd give it a try. You'll find you can get excellent arrow flight and it should be a bit easier to tune. I think "getting the arrow down close to the bow hand" is overblown. You'll still anchor in the same spot.
If you think it looks ugly, try a feather rest! I like to use them on my older curves. I think they look classy.
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I have a feather rest on a Bear Grizzly and a flipper rest on my Titan, I like an elevated rest. I'm going to make up some arrows with vanes for the rainy days.
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Some of my bows shoot good off of the shelf and some don't. Those that don't get elevated rests and the work great. I don't use them unless the bow needs them.
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Originally posted by Hatrick:
I use an elevated rest on some of my recurves. If I was you I'd give it a try. You'll find you can get excellent arrow flight and it should be a bit easier to tune. I think "getting the arrow down close to the bow hand" is overblown. You'll still anchor in the same spot.
If you think it looks ugly, try a feather rest! I like to use them on my older curves. I think they look classy.
Can you use a feather rest with vanes? What do they look like and where can you find them?
I've been thinking of using a rest because in my town NO shop deals with trad archery......period. I went to have some feathers put on some 2016's and they wouldn't do it. I would like to be able to buy arrows and shoot.
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I use a bear weather rest on my Quinn Stallion and I'm going to put one on my Ben Pearson Hunter that I basically only use for bowfishing. The Stallion came with a stick on rest, so that's all I've used. I read that it is easier to get good arrow flight shooting with an elevated rest so I figured that might be helpful for a beginner. I would also like to start shooting vanes since they are so much cheaper than feathers.
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Well, bad arrow flight is twice as ugly as an elevated rest 8^).
Yes, you can set up your bow to shoot perfectly off the shelf if that's how you want to do it. I us a shelf on all my longbows. As far as elevated rests go, they were used before half the folks here were born, so they are very traditional, and very effective. Don't worry about your neighbors view of your front yard.
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fido dog, click on the 3Rivers advertisement banner at the top of this page. You will find lots of rests, including the feather rest.
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Thanks George, found it.
Wouldn't vanes tear it up?
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Well I've never tried a feather rest so I can't answer that, but you can adjust the vanes so they clear. Many years ago....late 70's, I shot vanes from a stick-on rest (Hoyt Pro) and got great arrow flight.
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fido dog, I don't have any pics currently of my personal bows with feather rests. I plan to take some of a longbow I just finished so perhaps I'll take a few of my old boys that sport feather rests and share them. I just recently re-finished an older Howatt Hi Speed that looks great and shoots great with a FR.
I've never shot or owned any arrows with vanes so I can't answer how they'll shoot.
If you're interested in getting a couple of really nice feather rests to try out you should contact Daryl Damron on here. He goes by the handle TRAP. He makes a mighty fine feather rest at a reasonable price.
Good luck
Dave
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Hatrick, I'd appreciate some pics to see what they look like.
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Jovan...
I recently put elevated rests on one of my two recurves and liked it so well I put one on the other one too.
Shoot much better with them.
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Fido,
You can find pictures of TRAPs feather rests in the sponsors classifieds. There was a how to on making them on here about a year ago, try a search.
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I got some of Trap's Feather rests at last years auction---and ------ I am very impressed with the quality of workmanship and their durability. Elf.
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If planning to shoot at a 3d that does not allow a rest I will setup a recurve to shoot off the shelf.For a hunting bow if it is cut deep enough it will get a rest of some sorts.A simple stick on bear or hoyt rest is a lot better than no rest at all.I hunt with light bows compared to many and also shoot large broadheads.I want perfect arrow flight every time.A rest insures that and allows for easy tuning. jmo
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In the early 80's when I shot a wheel bow I used a Hoyt pro-rest and shot vanes. They shot good.
Like James, I am shooting bows in the low to mid 40's and don't want to waste any energy on wobbling arrows. I have shot off the shelf for years but have to continually fuss with it to get good arrows flight. Just last week I put a rest back on an old Shakespeare Kaibab and it made a world of difference. Day before yesterday I put a trimmed brush rest on my Bob Lee and now it shoots 2016, 1916, LW, RW, cock feather in, or cock feather out equally well. I used to have to worry about getting the feathers indexed just right to clear the shelf..Now I just shoot.
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fido..... most likely the vanes won't shoot worth a hoot off of a shelf mounted feather rest.
It's a bow interference thing.
If you want good flight with vanes go with the suggestions George gave.
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What happens to a feather rest in the rain?
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See what the flight looks like. Personally, if I am happy with the flight without an elevated rest, I'd prefer to go that route. However, I have a few recurves that shoot better with the elevated rest. I prefer the Bear flipper and I cut the bottom down a bit to get it close to the rest as possible.
I don't care for vanes in either scenerio though.
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Joe- I honestly believe that an elevated rest is the way to go so far as optimizing your bow/arrow performance goes. I don't use them for reasons too vague to get into here, but folks I know and have known who kill a bunch of Stuff ( Paul Shaffer and Barry Wensel) have used them to great effect. Both Paul and Barry use the "Weatherest" type and cut it down on the botton (about 1/3") and it works great and gives you the option of vanes or feathers. Paul S. shot vanes exclusively and you would be hard-pressed to find a more complete archer/hunter. Grant
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Thanks for all the feedback
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David... I've hunted with a feather rest quite a bit and find that they are surprisingly rugged. A good treatment with a waterproofing agent helps a lot.