Trad Gang
Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: ishiwannabe on June 25, 2009, 02:07:00 PM
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I saw a monster at work. I was in a full size ford pick up, and his shoulder was almost as high as the hood!! His head was massive...just a big, flat block of a head larger than a basketball.
Now I see bears all the time at work. Sows, cubs, other boars. I have almost bumped into them while walking my rounds. Never have I seen a bear with such...fearlessness. He looked at the truck like he could and would break it in half if he wanted to, and I think he could.
Im so bummed I couldnt get a picture....once I lit him up he ambled off before the camera was fully on.
I think it is, scratch that, I know it is the biggest bear I have ever seen in pictures, in the woods, or at work....
I hope I can get a picture for you guys. :banghead:
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Most of the bears out here are just average size, 150-250 lbs with an occasional 350-400 lb. animal. It sounds like you stumbled on to one of those rare monster bears we read about.
I believe the record is over 850 lbs and it came from North Carolina.
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seen a couple thsat hit the 680 mark but big is 250 up. At least a couple killed every year where I hunt that are 4 - 450 but those are the rifle/dog dudes. I have only known of one around here killed trad and it was a post of a trad ganger here, maybe he will chime in.
J
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If his or her ears look really,really small for the size of its head,if it has a swagger to its walk,and if its body ,shoulder to hip is bigger than a 55 gal drum......ITS A BIG BEAR.....hope you can get a photo...
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World record is 880lbs from NC
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Judging bears comes with experience... I've been close to over 60 black bears the past ten years or so.. You just "know" a big bear when you see them. Big wide flat creased "bucket" head with legs that look short because their body is just filled out and massive.
I've always called big bears "steering wheel" sized... You know, when their head could not fit through the steering wheel of your truck.. LOL
A couple nice bears--
See the crease in this P&Y sized bear..
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m123/JDS3_2006/Animals%20-%20Wildlife/100_1061.jpg)
This is by far the largest black bear I have ever been close to. The pic was taken with a low pix camera from a distance and does not do the bear justice.. Just huge BC black bear. The next day we got to within 8 big steps of this animal.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m123/JDS3_2006/Animals%20-%20Wildlife/InternetExplorerWallpaper.jpg)
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The animal in my Avatar was 500 lbs and 20 inches P & Y. When you see a big one you will know. They look like an Angus cow with the legs cut off.
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Bears can be very difficult to judge,whether it is trying to tell if his noggin is the P&Y minimum of 18" or trying to guess his weight without scaling him.In our neck of the woods 18" bears generally weigh out around 200lb. to 225lb.
and of coarse with head size body size increases to.This picture of my 2009 bear shows a animal by all estimates of 400lbs.and a green score of 21 4/16.So one would think he should be heavier but wasn't,after bow hunting bears for over 20 years I still find it challeging to determine the size of theses guys while sitting from a stand.
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400 lbs is when they start being considered big around here.After 400 the difference between a 400 and 600 is just the bigger belly on the heavier one.
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My best friend's son killed a 21 9/16 in Saskatchewan last year..
First animal with a bow...I just got the rug and skull back today..
It's awful big.. Squared 7 1/2 feet.
Here's a pic. We can only guestimate the weight..but it took four big husky boys to get him 100 yards to the road on a stretcher and we were all tuckered out when done!
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e322/rayhammond123/StilesBear20083-1.jpg)
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e322/rayhammond123/StilesBearwholegang2008-1.jpg)
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If his head looks as if it wouldn't fit in a 5 gallon drywall bucket,thata a big bear
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Theres an awful lot of big bears down your way Jamie.400 is not a rarity in the Catskills and my game warden pals tell me of some quite bigger.If that bear got in your head like it sounds he did theres no reason he cant be 6 and change even early in the year.Id love to see pics. :pray:
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This bear was my first trad kill and if that don't get you hooked on trad, nothin' will! It was over 300# and the skull went 19 2/16". Old bear with alot of rotten, broken teeth. Wish I would've had a full body mount done, but funds were tight and I didn't realize at the time that I will most likely never kill a bigger one. Taken in quebec with a 58# recurve and a 2219 with a Magnus II 4 blade.
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b99/mule157/DSC00473.jpg)
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This Sask bear I took a few years ago aint bad! He was 21 and some change, but I think it is like alot game animals, you just know it when you see it!
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That was green he finished 20 and some change, I was amazed at how much they can shrink!
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Those are some awesome Saskatchewan bruiser bruins guys,concider yourselfs very blessed to take such trophys.Even here shooting a 20 or 21 inch bear is not really common even with a rifle.I should also ad that as bears head into fall,a big bear can ad up to 100 extra pounds.Keep the BIG Bear pictures coming,Dell.
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This is the biggest bear I have ever seen myself(which I did so sadly missed) but I have only seen maybe 15 bears ever. (http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss248/barebow13/SUNP0032.jpg)It had to out weight the bear I kill this year by at least 100 lbs(the fat jiggle when it walked and didn't have legs) (http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss248/barebow13/FL000007.jpg)Mine green score at 19+.MY friends utah bear green scored 19 7/8 and weight 250+ but his last years idaho bear wieght 600 lbs skull was just under 20".He was really shocked.One of the main taxidemist in this area claimed that he had 3 bear last year that thier wieght over 600 lbs off the unit I killed mine.I have only hunted bear this year and I sure think they are tough to judge.I hope to see a pic of this monster you seen.
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Well thanks for all the responses and GREAT pictures. I think Im seeing a beast. He is as big as some of the pics posted...vividly remember the "crease" too.
No sighting last night, just a sow with two cubs.
He looked like he could eat a 55 gallon drum Ron!!
Thanks again everyone...will do my best to get a picture.
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It also depends on the time of year. Big spring bears will be 100-150+ more in the fall...Doc
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Were are you seeing these bears Ishi? I have seen a lot of bears in my life. The biggest being a 9 foot plus brownie. The largest blackie I have ever seen I spotted while glassing for high country deer here in Idaho. He was walking through a boulder field and had somehow climbed up on top of a giant boulder and was standing on it. He looked like a big blob of fat. You just know they are big, that is all there is to it.
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(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/MDGC0198.jpg)
A decent bear above
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/MDGC0052.jpg)
A large bear.
Both pics at the same distance. Should give you a good perspective.
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One that would not be afraid of me, and try to eat me. That's big enough. :biglaugh:
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Nurayb, Catskill mountains, where I work. Over the last few years, I have been spitting close to numerous(20+) bears. Sows, boars and everything in between.
This dude was strutting like he knew he was the baddest. His head would not even begin to fit through a steering wheel...ears looked like mosquito bites...he was, IMVHO, as big as the biggest bears pictured in this thread.
Strange thing is, the big one we are used to seeing has a bum hind leg. This new big guy was walking fine on all of em...albeit he was kinda waddling.
Im gonna be packing my digital camera now...not losing another chance at a picture waiting for my phone camera to initialize....
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Keep that camera handy,pics would be really neat!
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Average bear in Michigan goes 150 to 160. About a dozen years ago I had one that went 425#, 12 yards from me on Drummond Island but he got a nose full before I could get an arrow off. I know the weight because they killed him a couple of days latter in a camp down the road from us.
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I've got my eye on this big fella walking about my area. I think the arrowhead white patch on his chest is just the coolest thing, particularly for a Trad hunt.
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/MikeOrton_2006/Arrowheadbear.jpg)
I've got until roughly August 17 or so until the season opens.
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Wow!!!! Mike that is the coolest bear I have ever seen.
You will have to mount him it this pose.
If you need help killing, op... I mean packing down your drive way just give me a call.
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Now folks who know me know that I like Kingwouldbe like my Brother, but the trouble with "inviting" the King to help you pack a critter anywhere, even just down your driveway, is that he shows up carrying his bow. And when the King has a bow in his hand the arrows start a flying and the animals starts to dying. That nice Arrowhead Bear pictured above would be dead 10 minutes after the King walked off my front lawn. He'd be puffin on that big stogie, smilin up a storm, snappin hero photos of the animal and in no time at all the entire Trad Gang would be luvin-up on him, sendin roses, promisin to name their first born after him....yada yada yada.
Thanks anyway Kingwouldbe but I'm thinkin that I'll just try packin my own critter out, even if just down the driveway.
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Now thats brotherly love! :biglaugh:
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Hey Mike,maybe i can help you with the skinning and packing,and i will leave my bow in the truck. :banghead: Thats a very nice bear i hope you get him :pray: :pray: :pray:
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Jim, if am so lucky as to stick that Arrowbear, you can bet that he's coming to your shop for the mount. :notworthy:
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Mike that bear is a great looking animal,you dont see to many bears with a black coat in are locals,most of them are brown or rust color.Here you go out of state for a bear ,and you have them right in your back yard. :knothead:
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Mike, I don't want your bear :p Sensi.... Delta has one he's going to give me, in exchange for letting him shoot with me :eek: lol
You know the WORLD RECORD Black Bear came from California.
23 3/16
Location: Mendocino County, California
Hunter: Robert Shuttleworth
Year Taken: 1993
So let's rewrite the book this year :archer:
Mike you need to bloody your arrow.. I mean his arrow (the bears arrow)
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Well no more sightings on the biggun. Figures, I had a camera.
Two days off, then back to work. I will resume my quest for a picture after my to do list and days off are whittled down.
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I think the new York State record is pushing 750lbs and the bow record is 626lbs.
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A little googlin' produced this...
"According to the state Department of Environmental Conservation, the largest black bear felled by an archer was 11 years old and had a skull size of 22ê inches.
It was killed in 2006 in Deerpark.
The largest bear overall on record weighed about 750 pounds live and was 32 years old. It was killed in 1975 in Franklin County."
Im pretty sure I read about a new record in NY game and fish from Monitcello...
Im guessing, but I think the bear I saw could be close to a record size. Might just have to deflate him and see...
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Originally posted by Keuka:
I think the new York State record is pushing 750lbs and the bow record is 626lbs.
Hi Keuka, I don't think they have a record system for weight, but I could be wrong.
Hi Jamie, here you go my friend.
Pope & Young world record
http://www.pope-young.org/world-records_details.asp?wr=2
Boon & Crockett world record
http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgRecords/WorldRecordsDetail.asp?area=bgRecords&type=SKULLS
Moat bears look big..... but, big bears look scary.
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Great info...tks. As a So Cal bear hunter I will do my best. That is a great looking bear Mike. Go get him.
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Residential Bear ?
Mike from the looks at that arrowhead bear, he looks like he is on someone's backyard, not a deep woods bear is he ?