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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: TimRadke on October 15, 2009, 10:04:00 PM
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Did anyone else read the proposed deer hunt structure in 2010?It would start a 16 day gun deer season a week earlier - during the peak rut - as well as adding multiple other gun seasons during the current bow season. Early muzzleloader, late muzzleloader, youth hunts, doe hunts... Please read up, form your own opinion and be vocal. Wisconsi dnr website has more info and a place for your comments.
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Tim,
Did you fill out the survey? Everyone that bow hunts in WI needs to. Here's the link.
http://doa.wi.gov/DNRSurveys/TakeSurvey.aspx?SurveyID=8l0H992
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Yeah I got the email from Whip this morning! Kinda scary if you ask me! I voiced my opinion on the subject via the website!
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Already done, and I sent an email to everyone I could telling them to to voice there opinion. Most I know are opposed. I hope that is the case all over.
Nathan
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Already have some of what your saying in Pa. It is not much of a archery season when you have to wear blaze orange for almost half the season because of gun hunters.
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I also filled out the survey on the website.All they want to do is desimate the deer herd.
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I also filled it out. Another bad idea from Wisconsin DNR.
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you can thank the WBH( wisconsin bow hunters) for that they backed and helped get that, really a smart move
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Thanks for the heads up Badger. Filled it out with the comment that I'm seriously considering selling my land and hunting out of state. I'm not seeing near as many deer as I had just a few short years ago. My land is located in Douglas Co.
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Survey sent. Almost makes me glad I live in Illinois. We are going to be sharing our last week of bow season with gunners this year. The first of many changes, I'm sure. This Wisconsin deal just makes no sense at all when the kill is down and the car/deer accidents are way down. Makes you wonder who the WDNR is working for.
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We have to have one of the most retarded, idiotic DNRs in the country, after deer season ended last year and everyone was complaining about the lack of deer, the DNR admitted that their count may have been off, now they lay this crap on us because there are too many deer! I will complete the survey, but have no faith that it will help.
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Looks like it is time to move.
I have seen deer this year so far in my normal spots, when usually (past 15 years) I would have a shot opportunity at least once every two days. This is on public grounds.
Course, I very nearly hit a deer with my truck driving home from stand last week.
ChuckC
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Have I lost all my rights as a Wisconsin taxpayer? I own 80 acres in the CWD zone. I can not run my dogs, I must be ever vigilant while cutting wood or walking in my woods due to the extinction program the DRN has enforced so far. I got more lead on my land form hunters, then Mineral Point has Galina!!! I enjoy the peace of the forest and I like to bow hunt. I moved here and pay ridiculous amounts of taxes ... for what!?!?!!? So the DNR can Defile my woods with ridiculous hunting seasons and look the other way when violators trespass or shoot in my yard! Enough already!!! I am vehemently opposed to this proposal!!!
After all, the DNR is about money, NOT conservation ... that is extremely disheartening!!!
It is just so damn sad. It is a quality of life issue for me, it is an insurance money issue for them.
Sorry for the rant, just tired of this.
Bob.
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I am glad I don't live in Wisconsin.
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I did fill out the survey.... Notice they only want comments under 100 characters?
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Done. I posted this in the comments section.
This is so backwards and such a misleading effort at this point in time it is sad and suggests our deer management leadership has bigger problems than this right now. EAB is a management tool that may or may not be effective for herd management. Yet we don't know the size and location of the herd therefore we don't know the problem and cannot judge how effective this tool or others could be.
I could have offered more, but with only 100 words that is the best I could do.
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I tell ya when this economy pics up I'm out of here..job transfer. They've taken a great resource and ruined it. Last year was the worse year I've spent hunting in along time. If this goes through I'll be spending my hunting time and money out of state..this state already gets more money from me than they should. When they talk about declining hunter numbers they can blame themselves and not the Evil Video games. I also filled out the survey..opposed.
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Be care what you wish for. It was very short sighted to get the legislature involved to eliminate EAB. That guarantees a longer gun hunt. But the traditional opening 16 day season being pushed as an alternative will also have to include a statewide Oct muzzleloader hunt (because it affects the Dec ML hunt). I believe it is the goal of some groups and the legislature that this becomes either sex. And you thought the T-zones were bad. The original proposal by the WBH included the Oct ML season as either sex. This was posted all over but I have a copy if anyone wants it.
We all know what happened last year, but EAB was not the problem. Deer kill dropped up to 50% in many areas that have never been in EAB. The smarter move which was offered was to modify EAB so it wouldn’t be used unless it was absolutely necessary. These mods included raising the implementation criteria from 20% to 50% over goals, outside review of all population estimates, allowing the sale of stickers, and not more that 2 years in a row. These changes were rejected by the WBH and others which sets up a 16 day season, neither one is good for bowhunting.
Personally I’d rather lose a week at the end than let gun hunters have 5 days in Oct to hunt bucks (which would be this weekend btw). But I really prefer to keep EAB and the current 9 day season but those hunting organizations who marched to the capital to get rid of EAB don’t want you to have that option. They are pushing the trad 16 day w/ Oct ML hunt but EAB is still on the table. Heck over 50% the DMUs outside the CWD zones have never been nor ever will be in EAB. Those are all predominately public lands which should tell you where the problem is, so why do we have to have all these statewide changes?
If you want to keep any semblance of the current bow season you should support EAB with mods, fixing the SAK that was recommended but not yet implemented, and oppose the Oct ML season under any circumstance. Or else we will end up like Colorado with a ML hunt in the middle of bow season that we’ll never get rid of. Plus a 16 day gun season, and maybe EAB too after all that proves not to work for herd control on private lands in 2-3 years when the herd rebounds.
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I agree. Earn A Buck, even with all the gripping about it, was not the problem. The real problem is the unreliable deer herd estimates and SAK. Earn A Buck is just a tool to accomplish goals, misguided as they may or may not be. At least with EAB there was hope that someday it could go away when the numbers are either adjusted to reflect reality or the herd finally meets the DNR's approval. If those happen EAB goes away.
This new proposal will be with us for a long time to come and bowhunting in Wisconsin will not be the same. I wonder if some of those gun hunters want to buy some hunting land? Mine will probably go up for sale if this goes through. And that makes me very angry.
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My obesrvations tell me the area I hunt in Wisconsin has had a reduction in deer numbers, a substantial reduction. Minnesota hunts two weeks prior to Wisconsin (during the rut). Join your local clubs and state archery orginizations - why go at it alone.
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This is no surprise, wis dnr tried to pull this same crap last year at the conservation congress meeting they held in january. I am sure that this proposal will be on the questionaire for this years meeting and everyone who cares must show up
because if this proposal passes through the conservation congress it will more than likely
become law. Yes, the meeting is long and boring but everyone must show up.
also, I have an email with the statistic's from a
major auto insurance co. showing the percentage increase of deer-vehicle collisions by state for the last 7 years. nation wide there has been an
18% increase in deer-vehicle collisions for the last 7 years except for one state, wisconsin, we have had a 5% decrease. I don't think I am being paranoid when I suggest that the insurance co. lobby could have their hand in the dnr's pocket.
I would be happy to forward the e-mail to anyone
interested in seeing it.
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Yes I would like to see that email. gottafish2live@yahoo if ya please..Thanks
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Trad 101,
You have hit the nail on the head, the "management" of deer has more to do with the mangement of money than conservation of a natural resource.
I would love to see the e-mail.
Bob.
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This proposal impacts the quality of the hunt and the quality of the bucks for bowhunters and gun hunters alike. Short term gains in herd reduction means nothing if you've impacted the quality of the hunt thereby impacting the long term participation by hunters. Lesser number of hunters in the long run doesn't serve DNR's goal of herd reduction.
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That is an excellent point Bruce, and I doubt that has been taken into consideration. When we get to the point that hunting is nothing more than a shooting fest the essence of the hunt will be gone and people who have always cared about the sport will be lost. Maybe we are reaching that point now....
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They tried this in Ohio several years ago. Thanks to the voice of the Ohio Bowhunters Association, it was nixed before it got started. Stand up and be heard!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The bad thing is, even with a survey, obviously 400,000 gun hunters will have a chance for a longer season, during the rut, with more gun hunting opportunities. Whether it's good for the herd or not, how many gun hunters are going to vote " no"? My guess is pretty much only those that bowhunt. Welcome to the beginning of the end of bow season as we know it.