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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: pdk25 on November 21, 2009, 09:14:00 AM
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I was hunting last night and had several deer within 70 yards of me right before dusk. I had already passed on a 6 point and a couple of does, and I was thinking that I would soon be sitting in my stand well after dark until these deer cleared out of the area. Just before dark a doe scampered out of the briar patch and looked behind her. A smallish 8 point and a large 9 (It was getting late and I only know it was a 9 because I've seen it before) followed, grunting up a storm. The doe stepped off and the 8 point followed, then turned around for some reason, stopping behind a couple of large maple trees. The large 9 point then went toward the the smaller buck and they hung up behind the tree for what seemed like forever, but was probably only a couple of minutes. Daylight was nearly gone and I was ready when the buck come out from behind the tree going the same direction that the 9 was going. It was around 10 yards out and I was pretty high up in the tree. With the quartering away angle I hit a little back and high, and deer went scattering. I heard a crash around 50 yards to my left, but no leg kicking or anything like that. It was dark now, and since I hit a little far back I decided to back out til later.
I got up at 3 am and took the lantern out. I found the arrow and started to trail the deer. It was a pretty sparse blood trail, with a spatter every 5 yards or so. About 50 yards I found my deer, probably where I heard the crash the previous night. I gotta tell you I was more than a little disappointed when I saw it was the 8-point. Oh well, it'll probably taste good. It was a pass through shot and I've included pics of the entry and exit wounds. The arrow took out both lungs, a small piece of liver, the big vessels on top of the heart and none of the bowel(thankfully). I can't believe the blood trail was so poor. I was trying out the G5 montec broadheads, using beeman mfx clasic 400 shafts with a 75 grain brass insert out of my RER vortex longbow. I've got to think it was the small montec blades. I'm going to just use them for squirrel hunting from now on. The lantern did a great job, though. Other than a nice burn on the inside of my forearm. Funny how things that run on propane get hot. Why didn't I think of that?
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Looking a little wet after being dragged through a swamp and across a creek.
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Still a nice deer! :thumbsup:
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nothing wrong with that deer,pat.now you can go after the bigger one. :thumbsup:
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damn fine deer pat! now go take a nap i know i am! ill call ya later to see if i can hunt the night post but im draggin now...
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You need a whack on the forehead to say you're disappointed with a fine deer like that. I'm disappointed with your comment. That's a great deer and a good shot.
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Consider myself whacked. There is nothing wrong with the deer. I have just a good year that I've passed on alot of deer and had my sights on a couple that were really nice. When I went to sleep last night I thought I had shot one of them. When I found the deer this morning it was a little bit of a let down. That's all.
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Great deer Pat! Keep up the good work!
Cameron
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Ya did good, some folks on here that have hunted for years and not taken anything so be thankful, its not always about how big or how many, also the g5s work just fine there's lots of bheads out there with the same cutting width as the g5, I personally like the WW's better(much longer cutting surface). Make em sharp and put em where they're supposed to go!
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nice deer, be happy any deer with stick&string is a trophy :thumbsup:
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That is a great deer. Excellent job. :archer:
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Way to go! Let me see, liver, both lungs, major vessels near heart. Just how much too far back was the shot, ONE INCH?
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great deer and good shot...
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I would count my blessings and hunt the 9 point next year! =) he should be bigger then...
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Originally posted by onewhohasfun:
Way to go! Let me see, liver, both lungs, major vessels near heart. Just how much too far back was the shot, ONE INCH?
He is a perfectionist!!
I had the same problems with the G5s myself...they got put away a while ago!
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I congratulate you with reservation. If you did not want that deer then why did you shoot it? Why the dissapointment?
I once showed a picture of a small 10 point buck I shot to a "friend" who said "You wasted your buck tag on that". I have never talked hunting with him since. I had no shame in shooting a "small" deer. If I did not want to kill it I would not have stretched the string on it.
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I think he's a great buck and I congratulate you on a good shot and a short blood trail.
Claudia
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I wish I would have shot the wrong deer, I hunted 30+ days here in Pennsylvania and had one spike buck close enough to shoot. Nice deer I'm thinking of getting a NJ license next year.
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I recieved a pm from pdk and after hearing his explanation and going back and re-reading his post, he meant exactly what he said. I saw the part where he was disappointed and the feathers got ruffled a bit. He was after the 9 and he did exactly what he should have and picked a spot and shot...expecting the 9 to step out. His disappointment was not in the kill but he thought he had shot the 9 pointer till he found the deer and it was the 8.
I understand what he meant now and apologize for the rebuke.
Congratulations. Nice buck and good shot.
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Great Buck My Brother... Congrats
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Originally posted by heydeerman:
I recieved a pm from pdk and after hearing his explanation and going back and re-reading his post, he meant exactly what he said. I saw the part where he was disappointed and the feathers got ruffled a bit. He was after the 9 and he did exactly what he should have and picked a spot and shot...expecting the 9 to step out. His disappointment was not in the kill but he thought he had shot the 9 pointer till he found the deer and it was the 8.
I understand what he meant now and apologize for the rebuke.
Congratulations. Nice buck and good shot.
Glad you clarified...i dont see why people are getting up tight about it honestly...just read into it and its all there just glad you brought it to everyone elses attention.
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Thats a fine trophy Pat, nice shooting.
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Patrick,nice Buck Bud! :thumbsup:
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:clapper:
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Don't be sad, be glad. ANY deer with a stick is a trophy. Super shot on a super buck.
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Nice deer Patrick but I do understand your disappointment...Congrats again...
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Congrats!
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Great deer. Anything killed with a trad bow is a "trophy" in my book.
Congrats!
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I just returned from Michigan about 10 days ago. I went on my very first whitetail hunt. I had three tags in my pocket and killed a nice doe with my longbow. I saw one small forked horn that didn't give me a shot. Otherwise I saw no bucks. I was proud to make a nice shot on the doe and kill my first whitetail. I would have been really happpy with a buck like yours. Congratulations.
The only thing I could say that hasn't already been said is that you might not want to shoot when it's that late (dark)--if you can't tell what buck you're shooting at.
Mike
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Good deer. Congrats
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Wish I could get a chance to shoot the "WRONG" buck, I can't even see the "RIGHT" doe!!
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I shot a spike buck almost exactly the way you did. Same entrance and exit and very little blood after the first few leaps. I was using a 225 grain Muzzy Phantom. I don't think your broadhead was the reason for so little blood. The skin where the arrow exited is very loose and the wound is easily blocked by the skin sliding over it...at least that is what I have concluded. If he had gone farther I am sure blood would have become more evident as he simply would have more blood loss and it would have to go somewhere and gravity would put it on the ground. Don't know much about the Montecs but I had the same problem with a four bladed Phantom which has much more cutting length and width. I shot a 10 pointer a month after the spike with the same head. Got him right thru the heart, dead center. I watched him run, stop, look around and drop. He only made it 40 yards but from where he was hit to where he dropped there was NO blood. My conclusion on that one is that the arrow going thru the heart stopped it. No heart pumping means no blood pressure which means little to no blood pumping out. Now, where he stopped and dropped....lots more blood just because of gravity....I assume.
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Originally posted by pdk25:
It was a pretty sparse blood trail, with a spatter every 5 yards or so.
That's damn good blood trail in my book!
Good shootin' buddy at least you got to use your buck tag!
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yeah, I agree, the Montec is a great head, I used the alot on my wheel bow and I can promise that they are tons tougher than the snuffers I use now. I have one g5 that I use as a goofy shooter at squirrels & such that has been fired at least 15 times into the ground, into trees and all elser and it still sharpens nicely and spins strait. Every snuffer I have loosed was ruined after one shot. I use the snuffer because of my light poundage stickbows and the penatration on the delta deer WAS BETTER with the snuffer from my bows. If your deer was down in 50 yds the broadhead preformed flawlessly. How much blood did you expect in 50yds, as high as the entrance was you only had one oddlyplaced exit wound. I bet the body cavity was full up with blood!
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As far as the blood trail goes, I said a spatter every 5 yards or so, but there was actually only 4 such splatters in the entire 50 yards. Granted, not the greatest holes, but one of them was pretty low, so stuff could drain out. Truthfully, I don't know what I was expecting, but the snuffer trails that I've had were almost gruesome.
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:bigsmyl: Nice.........
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Pat you done real good, 8-9 only numbers and the other one is still running around chasing the girls. Congrats
Bill
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Thanks guys. And don't worry, I've shot smaller ones in the past and will again in the future. There was a comment about shooting too late, and that may factor in. I think it is more likely that I was just too focused in on picking a spot.
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Congrats!
My take on the perceived "lack of blood" for what it's worth....
You had a high entrance, and even though the exit was low, it came out pretty far forward where there is a lot of shoulder muscle and skin overlaping and misaligning the wound channel with every move...hence the spotty bloodtrail.
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Nice Buck and a good shot and a short blood trail. What more could you ask for? The deer will be good eating. Horns make thin soup!
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Nice buck and only 50 yds i dont think i would be changing broadheads.
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gotta love the drag! /i wore the hair off the last kill i made getting it out of the woods
/ says i---------- only kill close to road , only kill small!
anything i kill i'm damn glad i killed it- food protection or combination of both.
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Congrats. I get what you were saying. Nothing wrong with that either.
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Congratulations, Pat! That was a good practice run, when are you going back out?
Killdeer :thumbsup:
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Looks like a pretty good shot to me. :-D
Congrats!
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Based on the Bill and Guru's posts, maybe I am being a little hasty on the blood trail judgement.
Kathy, I went out again yesterday afternoon and saw some, but no shooting. I had to watch a friend's dog this morning, but I'm going out again this afternoon.
pharcher: There was a decent amount of blood in the chest cavity, but you'd be surprised. Even though I went through a piece of liver, there wasn't a drop that i could find in the abdominal cavity. Weird. I must not have severed any major vessels in the small piece of liver and the deer died quickly enough that there wasn't time for much of a bleed out there.
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Nice job! Congrats!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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I agree on the blood trail comments. After a 50 yard track job I wouldn't go changing heads. The deer was barely alive a few sconds after the shot so it didn't have much time to leave a blood trail anyhow.
Either way that's a great buck and unfortunate u didn't get the one u were after. But on the bright side, he will be bigger next year!!
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Originally posted by Guru:
Congrats!
My take on the perceived "lack of blood" for what it's worth....
You had a high entrance, and even though the exit was low, it came out pretty far forward where there is a lot of shoulder muscle and skin overlaping and misaligning the wound channel with every move...hence the spotty bloodtrail.
Bingo!
When the exit wound is through the shoulder muscle, you may not have much blood coming out on that side. As the deer moves, the muscles close off the lung blood. You'll still get muscle blood out that side, but you may not have the normal "lung spray" you'd see from an exit wound in the chest where the only thing the blood needs to get through is rib muscle and skin.
Still, it's a great exit for a quartering away shot, and still one that should yield more than sufficient sign.
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I've had some sparse blood trails that I might have given up on a particular broadhead.... but it didn't take long to realize that it isn't the broadhead, it's the path of the arrow. I've had the same broadhead make a huge blood trail on some kills and others nearly nothing. I've had deer down in less than 50 yards and some as far as 200 yards (they can run a long ways in 5-10 seconds), same thing... not the broadhead, but the path of the arrow.
Nice deer, btw!! :)
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Great Buck Pat. Congrats
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Now you'll have a belly full of venison when you're out hunting the 9 point!
What a deal!
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Nice going!...Better shooting!!!
I think if you did some research on how that head it made, you will find your answer on why it didn't bleed more on that perfect shot.
Not trying to start anything, but being informed can prevent heartache.
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just a suggestion- change BH's. Think you will pleasantly surprised with the blood you will have from the same hit with a different BH. I have suggestions PM me if you want.
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Still a good hunt with a good ending.congrats.
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Pat that deer didn't have time to bleed. It probably made the 50 yards in 2 seconds. My last three deer were heart shots with very little blood, since the deer went no more than 60 yards in seconds. One though was quartering more than I though and the broadhead sliced the rib cage before entering and exited low in the chest right in front of the sternum. That deer a blind squirrel could have followed. I think for a good blood trail in a short distance you need the exit hole to be near the bottom of the chest. Even a few inches high in the chest can hold the blood within 50 yards, especially since they are moving at light speed.
Nice deer and good shot. I wish this Jersey boy would get a shot. I want to try out the Abowyer Brown Bears this year.
Gil
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Congrats on that deer and the early morning recovery. I have some of those heads in 100 grain and will send em to you if you want em.
Personally I did not care for them when I was shooting wheelies. I like the mechanical advantage of the longer heads and the longer tapered ferrule.
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Nice shot! Congrats!