Trad Gang
Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: bowmaster12 on January 06, 2010, 10:43:00 AM
-
was looking at both the cx hertiage and the gt trad. the cx is 2grains/inch heavier but the gt offers teh screw in wieghts i was wondering what peoples thoughts opinions are thanx
-
The screw in weights will also work in the CX as far as I know except in the Heritage 90s.I shoot CX Heritage 90s and 150s depending on the bow I am using.Also have some Gold Tip Traditional but just not using them at the present time.
-
You Can use the screw in weights in the CX also. I use the CX shafts and the weights. They have worked great for me . Hope this helps. Thomas
-
In my experience with these two shafts... the CX Heritages are stronger and more durable, but the GTs fly better for me, for some reason.
Mike
-
well if i can order teh screw in points from gt and have the work in the cx i think ill go with the hevier arrow in the cx
-
I just got some CX 350's to try out. I hear they are about the most durable shafts out there. I have not gotten them set up yet to shoot so I don't know. The GT trad blems from Big Jim have been great for me. I have only broken one GT so far so I can't complain about them at all; I either shot it in half while hanging down out of my bag target or split it with another arrow. I don't recall now, but it didn't just blow up on a hard hit like some of my Beman arrows have.
You can use the GT inserts and weights in about any standard size carbon. You can also use the brass inserts in both these arrows.
-
The spine of the 150's seems to be a little stiffer than the spine of GT 3555's. If you get the weights call GT and be sure to get the long allen wrench to install them with. I personally use the GT's they are cheaper and I am prone to going through some arrows during hunting seasons.LCH
-
I am shooting CX 250s and 55/75s.
Both are working well for me.The 250s are stiffer spined than the 55/75s GTs.
Not sure if you would really need the screw in weights.You can get standard aluminum inserts or 50 grain or 100 grain brass inserts and a few different sized field points for testing.I prefer the brass inserts personally.
I got from 100 grain up to 300 grain points and everything in between for testing on carbons.Pretty much has me covered for any bow I have.
I do shoot the CX 150s sometimes if I want a light arrow for more speed.Those have aluminum inserts and alot less weight up front.Usually 100 to 145 grain points on those.
I prefer the 250s though and 55/75s loaded up with brass inserts and heavier points mostly.Especially for hunting.
-
CE are more durable, heavier, and more consistent in weight/spine. The Gold Tips are prettier and cheaper.
-
I've been shooting both the GT 55/75 and CX heritage 250s with 50 grain brass inserts and both preform great.
I also noticed that the cx's seem to be more durable. On my first bunny hunt of the year I wacked a stone and broke my judo but after much inspection, I was amazed to fine the arrow unharmed.
-
Apex Predator summed up my thoughts and experiences with both, exactly!
-
Here's another thought. If you go with brass inserts you will not have to use the wts. They come in 50grn and 100grn and will fit both CX and GT shafts.
-
Originally posted by Apex Predator:
CE are more durable, heavier, and more consistent in weight/spine. The Gold Tips are prettier and cheaper.
Haven't broken either so not sure on what's more durable, but certainly agree that the consistency is better on the CE shafts - all 12 spine exactly the same whereas the GT's vary a few pounds.
-
I've used both and agree that the CE are tougher and heavier but I like point weighting the gold tips for high FOC and overall weight. So, I think the gold tips are easier to tweak for higher FOC. And, I like the price better...especially Big Jim's blems.
-
I tried the PDP screw=in weights and didn't like the extra hassle and cost. you have to buy the special adapters and the different size weights to tune.......was a lot of hassle to me.
I switched to the brass inserts and had great luck and only one thing to buy.
My experience is the same as Apex Predator above.
I now use CX Heritage 250's cut at 29-30" using 100gr. brass insert and 150gr. tip and get 600-610 grain arrows for my 62# recurve. For some reason, I can get good arrow flight with 29 or 30".
Ben
-
I have used both and find the Carbon Express much more consistent in spine,this is the single most important factor choosing a shaft.Period.You can use the same GT point weighting sistem on the CE at least with the Traditional.
-
I'm not knocking the Gold Tips. They are what I'm currently shooting. :)
-
I've found the CX's to be tougher and more consistent in spine. They also spine out somewhat heavier than the corresponding GT shafts.
-
Ive never shoot the cx's but I love the goldtip trads. I think the heavier brass inserts will fit in either one of them though.
-
where do you get these brass inserts i hear so much about and how does a guy know what wieght to use? ill be shooting either the 250 cx or 55/75 gd out of a 55# @ 27" prob will shoot a 28.5" or 29" arrow i have 125 grain razorcap broadheads that wieght can easily be changed with different furrels i would like to shoot around 20% foc and somewhere around a 550-600 grain overall arrow. Mainly hunting whitetails maybe bear once every 7 years or so
-
I have and use both. I've got some GT blems that weighed as precise as my CX. I don't bother buying the weights anymore. You can just buy standard 8/32" steel bolts and cut to length the weight you want with diagonal cutting pliers. Dab a drop of the super glue on your good thread end and screw it into the back of the insert. Works for me. With all that said I think CX are tougher and thats what I hunt with. But use the GT's for 3D shooting etc.
-
Inserts are at 3 Rivers, Kustom King, and if you get the GT blems from Big Jim he has heavy inserts too. All sponsors here.
You can also see the GT system on their site.
If you haven't tried it, you might google Jackson Archery FOC calculator and see what you need up front to get your 20%FOC. You can change around values and see what looks good before you buy or cut anything.
You can add weight with common stuff too. Nails, bullets, etc. For example, I drilled and tapped the aft end of some of the 100grn inserts and put an 8/32 brass screw in, 2 inches gave me another 50grns.
Another handy thing is to get one of the inexpensive test kits of target points from 3 Rivers, and you can switch points to try more or less weight. I think the kit goes from 100grn to 250grn points, and has two of each weight so you can mix with different inserts too. That way if you think you are too weak, and are considering cutting off some more shaft, you can try a lighter point to see if that confirms your analysis before you cut. This would also let you try a heavier point weight before you invest in changing the razorcaps.
Hope that is useful info for you.
Walt
-
Both are good arrows both fly good but I dont think there is a tougher arrow anywere than a carbon express. I shoot both and like both. Widow
-
CE are the better of the two for all reasons stated above. However, there is no better shaft for the $$$ than a GT blem from Big Jim. At $42.00 a dozen you can afford to break and lose a few and who cares. I have lots of $150.00 doz shafts but my go to shafts are GT.
-
One thing I like about the CX150 is when they break it is a clean straight break across the shaft. The GT3555 shaters up and down the shaft, and that bothers me in that I might start to shoot one with a sliver loose! Ken
-
I only shoot 55/75 GT and they all break/snap kleen laterally so far.
-
I agree with the GT blems, great deal and great arrow, never had a problem, just when I miss and kill a rock!!
-
CE Heritage hands down.