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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: zipper bowss on January 25, 2010, 08:20:00 PM
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Hey Folks! I wanted to introduce my new recurve limbs.We will continue to make to origional limbs,they will now be called the Classics.The new limbs are called the Evolution.These new limbs will be available for all 3 of our risers,just as the Classics are.
The testing on the new limbs has gone very well.I have had several people review the limbs for me, including several Trad Gang members as well as Bob Morrison and Jim Belcher.Hopefully some of them will give there openions here.
Now for the numbers.I shot the new limbs throuh my chrono. using a shooting machine so the numbers were consistant and easily repeatable.The test limbs were 49.5 lbs@28" bamboo core with curly maple veneer under clear glass.The arrow weighed 458 grains which is 9.2 grains per pound.When drawn to 28" the average speed with this combination was 194 fps.For these test I used a dynaflight 97 string with 2 cat wiskers for silencers and a brass nock set.The arrow had 3 5" feathers.
Bill
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Speed is great but not if it sacrafices shootability, or the bow is noisy.It makes no differance how fast a bow is if it is not a joy to shoot.The best part about these limbs is how quiet they are.There is no shock or residual vibration.The Evolution limbs on SXT riser gain 2 lbs per inch up to 31".The new Evolution limbs are also just as forgiving as the Classics.
Bill
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We will offer all the same options on the Evolution limbs that are available on the Classics.Bamboo cores with a veneer under clear glass are the standard for all of our limbs.Carbon back and foam cores will also be an option.
Bill
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Ccan't wait to shoot them at K-Zoo Bill. A friend was asking if you have any ILF or metal riser bows coming in the near future to your line-up.
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Tracy and I have decided that the final prototype of Evolution limbs will be donated for the St Judes auction.These are the limbs I did the majority of the testing with.These are also the limbs that were sent out for review.These limbs a as good as any we will offer for sale.We just figured this would be a better use for the first set.We will just have to decide what wood combinations we want to use for the riser that will be donated with the limbs.This is where you all come in.Help me decide what woods for the riser.The limbs are unstained curly maple,so the riser should probebly have some light colored wood in them.I will use any of the woods I have in stock EXCEPT Mekassar Ebony.
Bill
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I'll have one of these bows at the Bunny Hunt for folks to try, courtesy of Bill.
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:bigsmyl: Mike,Time will tell :bigsmyl: But I would not be surprised if an ILF riser was to become available.
Bill
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The metal riser is pretty cool too. ;)
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Inquiring minds want to know! I vote for myrtle in your riser on the St. Judes bow.
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(http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu4/zipperzbow/evolution2.jpg)
(http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu4/zipperzbow/evolution.jpg)
These are the limbs that we need to match the riser woods to.
Bill
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Looking forward to shooting these limbs
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Maple and shedua with a bloodwood accent. Birdseye or teardrop....see you friday. Jeff take care of ya?
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SWEET!! Shawn
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Bill, You just had to let the cat out of the bag before Kalamazoo. :biglaugh: Have you tested a set of Carbon/Foam limbs yet? Just wondering what the numbers are on them? See ya at Kalamazoo.
Bill
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Folks I had the opportunity to test this bow. I shot a lot of arrows through it. Let me tell you this there is not a smoother limb out there. They are quick and very very quiet. Bill has really made a great new addition to an already great line of bows. If you are thinking about a new recurve the evolution should be on your list to consider.
Bill how did the carbon foam turn out?
ILF? this just keeps getting better.
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Bill,
I think these woods look pretty good. :biglaugh:
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh57/Szympruch/BowPhotos043.jpg)
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I really would like to know something about those limbs with Foam/Carbon.
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The carbon backed foam core limbs gain 4-5 fps on average depending on what draw length the tests were done at.From what I could tell the limbs did not sound any different with the carbon than with glass.Since this part is somewhat subjective it will be interesting to see what folks think at the Kalamazoo show.
I will have a few 60" and a few 58" bows with these limbs at Kalamazoo.I have both carbon with foam cores and glass with bamboo cores.
Bill
Oh Bill, Tracy had some more of the jackets made.We will bring them to Kalamazoo.
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A few of us were at Bill's shop some weeks ago when he broke out these limbs to try. One of the guys changed his SXT order from longbow limbs to this new recurve limb after shooting both. They were extremely quiet but still fast and smooth. I'm partial to my SXT longbow limbs but see the possibility of adding these recurve limbs in the future since they will fit my SXT riser. Bill's always pushing the envelope to come up with new and improved versions of the Zipper. :thumbsup:
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Bill,
I think a snakewood riser with snakewood veneers on the limbs, would make a nice St Judes bow :bigsmyl: I really like the design of your new limb and the preformance shows. See Ya Friday...
Bob
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SNAKEWOOD! :eek: If you donate the wood I will build it.If you think of it bring me a bill for the stuff I got from you at the ATA show.Tracy says she can hardly wait till friday to see you.Is Barb still going to be there?
Bill
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Bill,
Besides the limb tips, does the shape of the limbs look different when they are strung with these new evolution limbs?
If so can we see a picture of the side profile of the bow?
Looks and sounds pretty good so far!
Chris
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Ziricote would be my choice for the riser if you have some with the light sapwood? (don't know much about woods) here's a link http://www.woodfinder.com/woods/ziricote.php
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Nice...
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I've got some well aged and beautiful homegrown walnut, curly cherry, and/or persimmon that could be donated for the project. Not as exotic as the tropical woods, but I like em...
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q176/akinslow/Bows/DSC04992.jpg)
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q176/akinslow/Bows/DSC04993.jpg)
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I think Bill and Tracy are going to be very busy at Kalamazoo. BOb
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Well there you go folks,3 new wood options that could be used in the ST.Judes riser.
The Evolution limbs look similar to the Classic limbs when strung.The tips do not have to be pointed if anyone prefers them square.Usualy any limbs I build for a Standard or Extreme riser I leave the tips square.I will see if I can convince Tracy to add another picture for me.
Bill
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(http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu4/zipperzbow/P1010323.jpg)
(http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu4/zipperzbow/P1010322.jpg)
Strung and unstrung profile.So what do you think?Do I have a career as a hand model or not?
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Dang Bill
You been burnin the midnight oil again and have created a great lookin bow! If I can get out of the booth to buy Tracy a hamburger(LOL) I'll come shoot one of those! See you there
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Hey Bill, My buddy wanted to know why i wasn't on the limb try-out/jacket circuit? He can't believe that with ALL the Zipper bows, limbs, and accesories I have that I wasn't put on the pro-staff. I mean, sure, I bad-mouth you Buckeyes, but I mean it :biglaugh:
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Yea Mike,I should have known I would catch it from you.Even though you were on the injured reserve list. :bigsmyl: I just did not want to make your next bow choice any harder on you.
Bill
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Oh man, the amenesia from surgery made me forget the injured resrve list. Wish i had some videos to watch on my down time :wavey: :biglaugh: :jumper:
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Really nice Bill. Thanks for the pictures. I'm checking my bank balance as we speak!
Chris
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:banghead: Darn video's!They are still in the box waiting to be sent.Im sure if I send them tomorrow they would probebly get there a day or two after I do.Im sure I can find a way to bribe,I mean make it up to you. Did I mention we have some new limbs?Oh yea jackets too!Tell your buddy to quit sturring the pot.I can get in enough trouble all by my self.I wonder if I can guess who the mistry pot sturrer is. :biglaugh:
Bill
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He'll be there Saturday. He is already drooling over those new limbs!
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My son and I had the opportunity to test-fire Bill's bow that took on his personal riser and new evolution limbs. Here is a comment back to Bill after having the chance to shoot it:
"I understand the riser is yours Bill but for me this really made the bow. The grip fit my hand very well and enabled me to land the same hand placement everytime. To me the grip is one of the most important aspects of a bow and this one is a winner in my book.
Now for the limbs...overall they are excellent... Quiet, fast, and forgiving. Granted I only shot out to 15 or so yards, but impressive none the least.
Although the arrows I was shooting were a tad overspined, the bow still handled them well and put them down range with authority.
I liked the way the limbs pulled throughout the draw as well. I noticed no preload at all.
Like I said before, I was absolutely impressed with the limbs, and I think they are going to soon be your top seller once you get them into production.
Thanks for the opportunity to shoot an outstanding bow."
Bill, I'd keep the same woods as it was quite a looker!!!!
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Is it friday yet??? :banghead:
Bill
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I got to spend some time with these limbs as well. I was asked to give my honest opinion of them so that's exactly what you will get.
If they were crap or over hyped I'd tell you about it. Fortunately they are neither. The design exhibits a fair amount of preload, meaning they gain the bulk of their weight early in the draw. They were utterly smooth with a very linear feel to them out to my 29" draw length. I didn't get to chronograph them but they seemed every bit as fast as my Black Douglas so I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of the speeds posted earlier. What struck me the most about the limbs was how quiet they are. They had a sub 7" brace height and I believe a D97 string. A set of cat whiskers was the only thing silencing the setup. They were hunting quiet as is. Easily as quiet as most long b
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Sorry, I fat fingered that post from an Ipod and wasn't able to properly edit it.
My final comment was that these limbs were as quiet as most longbows I have shot.
I haven't shot the Classic limbs so I can't say for sure, but I can see no downside to ordering these limbs. They are fast, smooth, quiet and I am told that they have held up well to some torture testing. I'd say that if Zipper offers a riser that suits you, you will be very happy with these limbs.
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Zipper thread on the second page? I don't think so! Now Bill, about that jacket!
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Nice work Bill. I'm a limb-aholic and this just adds fuel to the fire!
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Got a chance to shoot the new evolution limbs tonight. I didn't think Bill could improve on the SXT, but he has. These limbs are smooth as silk, quiet as a mouse, and flat out smoke an arrow. The bow is also dead in the hand after the shot. Can't wait to get a set!!! :thumbsup: