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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: crack a toa on February 02, 2010, 11:49:00 AM
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how much weight is removed by changing the bevel from 30 to 25 degrees? so if I take a 125gr head and change the bevel to 25 deg. what should it roughly weigh?
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Why don't you try it and let us know :bigsmyl:
jer Bear
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Depending on the individual head, I lost 5-10 grains by just changing the bevel.
I imagine the weight lost on your 125 grain head would vary depending on the length of the cutting edge and the metal used in the blade.
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It would also depend on the thickness of the blade.KME changed the angle on some 190 Grizzlies for me and they ended up 175-178 grs..Keep in mind that the grizzlies normally come heavier than the stated weight.you can lose 5 grains just by sharpening a head.
I would expect at least 10 grains.You didn't say if it is single bevel or double.It also takes a really good steel to support a long,25 degree single bevel.If the steel is milder,you might be better off with the 30 degree.
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I got some new Griz at Kzoo and they were 200 grn with a 25 degree bevel from the factory and both L & R wing bevel available. Good stuff.
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Me too Shaun. I was happy to see they did away with the "step" Good luck getting them bloody!
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other than k-zoo, good luck with finding those new 200gr lw el grandes ...
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Are they really that hard to find? I haven't looked for em. Just dumb luck I guess. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good!
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I taught that 3riversarchery had them in stock!
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kwyk styk, that is what they said to me on the phone but the old style arrived in the mail(rw 160s). I thought about returning them, but decided to use them and get the new version the next time I order shafts from Allegheny Arrow Woods. I finally got a decent file and cut my sharpening time enormously.
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Originally posted by Shaun:
I got some new Griz at Kzoo and they were 200 grn with a 25 degree bevel from the factory and both L & R wing bevel available. Good stuff.
Who was the vendor at Kzoo?
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I would love to get some 200 grain left bevels. I have just about given up an I am thinking Abowyers since they have what I need in stock whenever I am ready to order them.
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thanks, I dont have a grain scale to check 4 my self
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It has only taken 5 years for the Grizzly folks to realize the bevel is wrong, and more than half the world uses left wing feathers.
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About 5-10 grains, I agree, but certainly there is a lot of room for variation here. If you just took off the diffence in the bevel, it would be very minimal.
Allegany was the vendor at Kzoo selling the Grizzlies. Orion picked up a package of LW's for me. I just setup and arrow using a 200 gr. LW Griz., 100 gr. steal BH insert, 100 gr. brass arrow inserts in a CX 300 for an EFoC of 28% for a total arrow weight of 688 grains...pinwheel flight! The new Grizzlies are ground nicer, have better tips and are just little more refined all the way around. I love em!
Kris
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Yes Bjorn I agree, although I did get a RW clamp years ago just to use the RW Grizzly's. As I said above though, I love these new 200 grain LW's.
Kris
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It may be wrong for you Bjorn, But it's just Right for us right wing guys..... :goldtooth:
Just ordered a DZ of the 200gr from 3 Rivers
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
other than k-zoo, good luck with finding those new 200gr lw el grandes ...
I think the wrong head got named the Sasquatch! :help:
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Are they hunting sharp or do you still have to shapen them.
Gilbert
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Originally posted by amicus:
Are they hunting sharp or do you still have to shapen them.
Gilbert
Thats pretty funny! I had good chuckle with that one.
Here are the Grizz's qualities:;
1. nice shape
2. really tough
3. good price
4. time tested performance (see 1& 2)
And No, I didn't leave anything out...
Joshua
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Joshua, Im very familar with the Grizzly Broadheads and there qualities. I should of asked my question a little better. I was refering to the NEW 200 grain Grizzly. Its nice that the bevel has been changed that should make sharping them easier. It would be nice if they were hunting sharp.
Gilbert
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I would prefer to sharpen my own and pay less money for them. Gary
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I loose 15 grains off the 160's.
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Amicus,
I'll answer your question. No, they are not hunting sharp, but the grind is a little better than it was on the old RW 190's IMO. Anyone should have an easier time of it. If you want hunting sharp, I would steer you towards the 175 grain Abowyer Brown Bear. They are hunting sharp and then some. You get what you pay for, they are also $48 per 3 whereas the new Grizzly 200's are about $25 per 6. The Grizzly's still have a higher mechanical advantage nearing a 3:1 ratio, 3 1/4" x 1 3/16" The Brown Bear is 2 5/8" x 1 1/8". I'll take either one. Both are outstanding choices, as you already know.
Kind regards -
Kris
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Originally posted by amicus:
Joshua, Im very familar with the Grizzly Broadheads and there qualities...Gilbert
I know. I know-sorry. It was funny to me, given their historic quality out of the box. A poor attempt at humor on my part. I knew the new heads would be of similar finish as their current standard heads.
I use Grizzlies BTW, just in case anyone might assume I am flaming them.
Joshua
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I picked up a couple packs each of the 160 and 200 gr lefts from AMAW. The new grind is really quite nice and tho not hunting sharp, it's not gonna take much to get them there. IMO, hunting sharp from the pack is a waste of time and money with a glue on head. They need to be test shot after installation so will need to be sharpened anyway.
I was never that impressed with the Grizzlys, but I think some of these are gonna be headed for the Pig Gig.
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Or buy six Grizzlys from KME, scarry sharp for 55.00,(last years price)
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jhg, no problem it was kind of funny.
Thanks for the info, Kris. Im very happy with my 190s El Grandes.
Gilbert