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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Predator Man on February 10, 2010, 08:39:00 AM
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I am getting impatient trying to figure out what kind of speed fred is getting out of his bow. I have found through reading that he has a [email protected] 62" palmer recurve with arrows just under 500 grain. If any of you long arm guys have a bow like fred could you please chrony it with that weight arrow and tell me what speed your getting?
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I'm gonna guess (my specs are "close"...OK...except for the DL :p )....it's +/-200fps.
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I shoot a 60" Palmer 57# @ 29 1/2" and 550 gr. arrows and like GMMAT I am guessing it in the mid 190's. Never got to shoot it thru a chrono but, would like to. Ben
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Draw length makes a big difference. Watched a video on here earlier where 2 inches of draw changed the speed over 20 fps
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I shoot with a guy some times with draw where doesn't cut is arrows. Don't know the speed but with a 600 grain arrow on 3D targets the arrows were regularly was sticking out the other side.
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Back in 2004 I hunted with Fred down at Mike Palmers place. We were shooting at a tennis ball stuck in a hay bale at about 40 yards and Fred's arrow looked like it was pretty flat out to the 40 yards. By the way Fred kicked my butt that day and he was nailing that tennis ball arrow after arrow. I hadshot with him before a bunch of times but he really has gotten good these past years.
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I'm giving him the benefit of the extra DL (mine is 28-3/4")....and for 2 extra #'s of DW.
I shoot my 52# (at my DL) 181fps with the same arrow weight (as Fred). I think I'm giving the setup a lot of credit (guessing +/- 200fps).
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Fred does shoot well that is for sure. I have a Palmer 60" 57@28 and shooting a FMJ 400 that is a little under 500gr I can shoot it in the high 180 low 190(188-191). I had another person shoot it with a longer draw as I am right on the 28 mark. Drawn to 29 in it was about 195. So I would say that right around 200 with that light of and arrow is about right.
Why is this an obbsesion of yours???
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I shot with Fred when he had his first Palmer and worked at an Archery shop in Fort Collins at that time I believe his bow weight was 54# and he was shooting 2114's at just under 500grains. We were shooting through the crono and he was getting mid to high 190's.
I was shooting a 61# Black Widow basically the same arrow at my 28" draw and getting around the same speed (wish I had a 30" draw!)
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should be in the 190-195 range
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ok thanks guys. I am trying to put together a momentum calculation based on dr. ed's math. Fred has acomplished the super slam so if I can get a setup that matches him then I know I can kill anything.
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looks like fred is getting around .424 to .435 momentum on the high and low side of his setup. My deer bow is only getting .350 so I guess i need to step it up. My 63# predator is getting .475 momentum (estimated) so I guess that will work for the big stuff.
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The most important aspect of taking the Superslam, is to spend the money and hunt for those critters. It don't matter squat if you are using Fred's setup, or using a 55# Kodiak Magnum, cedar arrows, and Bear Razorheads.
Perfectly flying arrows will trump any momentum figure, or any KE figure. There are no Asiatic Buffalo in the N.A. Superslam 8^))))). Now if you are going after the African Big 5, then MO may be much more important.
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There are people who turkey hunt with 2 3/4 " shells and guys who use 3 1/2 shells.
Im just a 3 1/2 shell kind of guy.
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I can see that. 8^). My daddy in law has killed more turkeys in his lifetime than anyone I have ever known. He uses a Charles Daly Over/Under, 12 ga. with 2 3/4" high brass 4's. But then, he is a good turkey hunter and knows how to get them close. Reminds me of a bowhunter 8^)))).
I'm a 2 3/4 shell kind of guy.
P.S.... In all fairness, we should mention that Fred has another aspect in his setup that helps him in his quest for game....a wife who owns the Muzzy Company. :thumbsup: And she hunts with him and is cute as a button. :biglaugh:
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On the DVD where Fred Eichler goes after his grizzly or polar bear (maybe both are on the same dvd), he talks about getting a new set of limbs so he can keep his arrow speed the same with heavier arrows. Seems like he says he's getting in the mid to high 180's.
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hmmm interesting. Well truth is it will be a while before I get into anything bigger than pigs or deer. I think I will be ok but I have that 63# bow just in case.
George, I did not know about freds wife owning muzzy. I knew she was cute but.... I wish I had his luck. Goes to show you should follow your passion. Maybe someday I can afford a house and get out of my apartment. Then I will have a garage to build bows in... Then I can quit my job and make bows.... I wish for that every day of my life. (already have a good girl but she doesnt own a broadhead company)
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George said it,,, I shoot a palmer and its a nice bow but I can stand here and say that the arrow when flying through the air cares if my Hill, widow preditor or palmer shot it..
Freds sponsers helped out alot in that slam but you still have to wake up in the morning and get out there and I'm sure theres some pressure involved where most of us could care less we got skunked that day or not.
and I don't use shotguns but I once threw a pack of firecrackers at a turkey standing on the sidewalk in the suburbs and it ran into a parked car, ha ha ha....
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I like that 3 1/2 shell comment. I'm gonna borrow that one.
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I agree about his wife being cute as a button. :D
Don't have a clue about him or what he shoots however. ;)
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If you guys think Fred bought the Super Slam you don't know diddly.
Yes his sponsors helped but he is also an outfitter and worked hard to get where he's at, trading hunts with other outfitters (read his article in TB).
It takes alot more than money it takes dedication and hard work time away from family.
This didn't happen overnite he spent years to accomplish this.
The one thing ya'll did have right Michelle is cute.
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The man set a goal and got it done. My hat's off to him. The guy can flat shoot a bow under tough hunting conditions.
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Tater I didn't say he bought it..I don't think anyone did. Yes there are many sacrifices he and his family made for that goal..heck I hope his wife goes for it and he and they support her too.
But it takes money/time and horse trading or something to do it is all...
I think that's all anyone said...
WE ARE ALL JEALOUS - EVEN ABOUT THE GOOD LOOKIN WIFE :biglaugh:
I don't think there is ONE person on this site that wouldn't love to just shoot arrows..hunt wherever they wanted/when they wanted/take family too (if they had the money).
Who wouldn't...crap that is HEAVEN to me. Now if my wife would hunt with me...hmm that has some big advantages at night in a cold tent alright :D
Jer Bear
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I didnt mean to start a debate about fred. Im more concerned with his setup. If he was 24-27 drop dead hottie female then maybe I would care but im just concerned with his bow.
Fact is he got the super slam done... however he was able to afford it I dont care. I will never get it done. The whole point is that if I can make my setup equal the momentum and KE of his setup, I will have confidence that I can take down anything I should desire without going out and getting all new stuff. I will be practiced and ready when the time comes. It takes years to achieve shooting excellence with your setup. I just wanted to get started on the right foot. Now that I have a ballpark of what kind of knockdown power it takes, im ready to start perfecting my bow weight and arrow choice. It will not be a palmer or axis arrows, or phantom broadheads...... ok i might try the broadheads.
To each his own but this was the best way I could think of to find out if my untested setup could take down anything I might desire to hunt in the next 40 -50 years.
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Fred is a good guy, obviously a good hunter and shot.
People should worry more about themselves sometimes. Been that way as long as I've been around.
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I do worry about myself. I wake up every morning wondering if the guy who has his head on my pillow has enough sense to figure out how to get out of bed. Super Slam? In my dreams!! I better go back to sleep and make believe I am Fred Eichler. :notworthy:
Allan
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Originally posted by George D. Stout:
It don't matter squat if you are using Fred's setup, or using a 55# Kodiak Magnum, cedar arrows, and Bear Razorheads.
Perfectly flying arrows will trump any momentum figure, or any KE figure.
:knothead: , but so very true!
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Question is ...do you have a set-up like Fred :thumbsup: :goldtooth:
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Saw Fred make an incredible 30+ yd. shot on a Coues deer in Arizona. Deer was slightly Quartering to,Fred said shot would have to be perfect,I agreed. Buck only went 30yds. down in sight. I was impressed to say the least. I am really impressed with his enthuseiasm,sp. He really gets excited,and so do I! Fred's the man! Nothing wrong with speed,if thats what you are into,we are all individuals,thats a good thing.
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hello
i just look one of first the video of FE "traditionnal harvest", he was shooting aloy arrow and probably 3 blades broadheads, he made good an deadly shot but no one of his arrows pass through ... do you think he was shooting a lighter bow a this tis time ? do you think it's only because he shoot now "thin" arrow ? the profile of his actual Muzzy Phantom ????
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It must be Fred Love! Haven't seen the shot since I'm out of town. So what's so special about shooting 54# @ 30.5" and using an arrow under 500 gr? Did I miss the boat.....Oh I get it Skinny strings.........
Guess I'd better place an order for a new bow and some sub 500 grainers.
Seriously, not taking away from Fred's accomplishments, but it's not the bow that got it done, it's the man.
Mike
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My set up: Predator Classic, 53# at 28, pulls 57-58 at my 29.5" draw, shooting beman 400s- weighing in at 600 grains, avg 200-205 fps. Add the razorcap and they will kill any animal that walks NA. As stated- it's not the tool that gets the job done, its the guy that knows how to use it....
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Originally posted by Jerry Wald:
WE ARE ALL JEALOUS - EVEN ABOUT THE GOOD LOOKIN WIFE :goldtooth:
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Lechwe - I don't think that's what I said.
I DON'T WANT TO BE HIM....trust me. I used to own a flyfishing shop cause I thought it would be great...loved to flyfish etc.
Couldn't get anytime to flyfish though...sold the shop.
I know it's hard on everyone. As an electrician/shop owner I worked out of town for months at a time and then home for 5 days maybe.
Did this to make a go of it. We were all in agreement that I would be away lots to make it work (2 years of doing this was too long)
What broke it for me was when one of my kids said to his friend that i was the guy that slept with his mom.
That was IT..... screw the money...I went to work for somebody else and was home every night.
So no I don't want to be him.
What I said that if I/we had the money then we could do all that (and you could bring the fam too), but it would be doable.
jer
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Actually, it's the pink feathers that make his set up work. :D
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Lots of rich folks haven't come within a country mile of smelling the superslam.
Fred, keep on keeping on. Your fan club/ green with envy club grows everyday.
Also the only thing special about Freds setup is that he has extreme confidence in it. Period...
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Originally posted by Zbearclaw:
Also the only thing special about Freds setup is that he has extreme confidence in it. Period...
You got it... every shot he takes, you can see his level of concentration and focus... that's what makes the arrow connect.
BTW, anyone ever notice during season 4 when he takes the shot at the antelope in CO, he clearly misses... its NOT that the buck ducks the arrow : ) Also, the buck he does take, there is the sound of 2 strings dropping when he fires... not sure why that is...
Weird. I am NOT doubting his shots, just his editing crew :goldtooth: