Post by: joebuck on June 07, 2010, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: TooManyHobbies on June 07, 2010, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: Keith Zimmerman on June 07, 2010, 03:47:00 PM
As long as it is allowed their is nothing you can do.
Post by: robtattoo on June 07, 2010, 03:48:00 PM
Why on earth would he be 'saddened' to see target recurves? Why is that any less 'trad' than any other recurve? Many folks hunt with 39# does he have a problem with that too???
Just because some of those 'Top Shots' may not be hunters doesn't mean they don't belong at Traditonal shoots.
I think it's a little sad that his opinion of the shoot was spoiled just because of the equipment other folks were using. Who the hell cares what ayone else is doing?
Maybe your bud needs to be a little more open minded Joey.
Post by: Mudd on June 07, 2010, 03:48:00 PM
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Chris Shelton on June 07, 2010, 03:50:00 PM
Post by: Gil Verwey on June 07, 2010, 03:50:00 PM
If I were asked which one I am I would have to say both, since if they outlawed bowhunting I would keep on shooting my bow and enjoy every minute of it.
Post by: Tom on June 07, 2010, 03:51:00 PM
Fur/hair is still what matters to me. One can't expect everyone to shoot the same equipment, otherwise we would be nose lifters like some other groups. Live and enjoy for its own sake.
Post by: rastaman on June 07, 2010, 03:54:00 PM
Post by: HUNT 24/7 on June 07, 2010, 03:58:00 PM
Post by: Raging Water on June 07, 2010, 04:03:00 PM
3 D is fun. Keeps you going when out of Hunting Season.
My wife will shoot 3 D, she does not hunt.
I am not a fan of elaborate Trad Bow set ups for 3 D, but to each his own.
Post by: VTer on June 07, 2010, 04:10:00 PM
Post by: ren sarns on June 07, 2010, 04:19:00 PM
Post by: Bonecracker on June 07, 2010, 04:35:00 PM
Now I have all kinds of wood longbows and recurves but I chose to take my ole' DAS Master Hunter with camo long Win/Win limbs. It is just a fun bow to shoot off the shelf and it pulls around 55/57lbs at my 29 1/2 draw and is as smooth as butter. Some of the darnest rude comments I had directed at me from those self-bow guys was just un-called for as they did not know me from a hill of beans!! Yes I was good and kept my mouth shut but these type comments are not needed in Tradional Archery!
As it turned out I made the top 30 in the Recurve division and I did not compete for the money! I was not there for a score but was there for practice and I shot well! Thanks for a great shoot!
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Post by: Killdeer on June 07, 2010, 04:40:00 PM
Shoot it all however you like, as long as you are having fun and not hurting anybody. We are all archers pursuing our joy, however we interpret that joy. We should be happy, not making faces at the guy who doesn't match our self-image.
Killdeer
Post by: stevemfwills on June 07, 2010, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: wapiti792 on June 07, 2010, 04:49:00 PM
Post by: Fletcher on June 07, 2010, 04:54:00 PM
The guys shooting target type equip are there to do well shooting at targets; that is their thing. Shooting well is just as important for a bowhunter, maybe more so, than for a target shooter. Like most of us, if I keep score it is for myself, but I learn a lot by shooting with target shooters.
Hill was a target shooter as well as a hunter. When he shot on the target line, he used the equip he shot the best.
Post by: ishoot4thrills on June 07, 2010, 04:55:00 PM
Just for the record though, I shoot 3D with the exact same equipment that I hunt with, including a bow quiver full of arrows. Of course, I don't shoot 3D with broadheads! But I do have them on my arrows in my bow quiver. I keep my 3D arrows in a side quiver at 3D shoots. My 3D arrows match my hunting arrows exactly, except for the broadheads and I also have wraps on my hunting arrows. I have an absolute great time at 3D shoots when I'm shooting with trad shooters/hunters.
Post by: eric-thor on June 07, 2010, 05:13:00 PM
this is like one of those situations where you see some guy slinging arrows at 15yrd target and defending himself as a true trad bowhunter!!! well i think thats crap !!! we r a part of the greatest sport in the world and there is more bs opinions / excuses for poor shooting . i am a long bow archer : who loves to hunt and hunt well and shoot accurately at the game i am blessed to hunt and sometimes harvest.
its a darn shame to see and hear soooo many people defend ignorance and lazyness as trad. im sure our ansestors of all cultures practiced and shared thier accomplishments and skill that they worked to discover, with others in the camp/tribe/comunity. they all had thier own skill and limitations as do we but i garentee they tried to be the best hunters they could be .weather archery,spear,slingshot or knife,ect......
the excuse to scratch off any shoot that you have access to and time to shoot;because of what others shoot is a true example of ones archery/hunting fortitude or should i say lack there of .
none of us should be attending a shoot to win but to practice our art and compete only against ourselves and our own limitations weather perminant or temporary . and strive to advance our skill and understanding of this great sport we claim to be a part of.
to finish this soapbox rant : i dont care what the other guy is shooting i am not shooting against them .im just shooting the same target they are .to the best of my ability.
sorry for the rant this is a sore subject for me . :knothead: :banghead:
Post by: joebuck on June 07, 2010, 06:19:00 PM
Post by: larryh on June 07, 2010, 06:23:00 PM
nobody should be concerned what another archer is using in the enjoyment of archery.
ive been shooting a bow and enjoying archery since the early mid fifties.
i'm glad i'm not "trad", but am happy i am an archer.
Post by: joebuck on June 07, 2010, 06:38:00 PM
Post by: DesertDude on June 07, 2010, 06:46:00 PM
"A day spent shooting your bow at 3D targets with new and old friends"
How could you find a way to complain about that?
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Post by: imhntn on June 07, 2010, 06:51:00 PM
Post by: Steve O on June 07, 2010, 07:00:00 PM
Joey--you all set on thatr stuff we traded phone messages about Friday?
Post by: ScottV_7 on June 07, 2010, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: LimbLover on June 07, 2010, 07:06:00 PM
I love 3Ds but it is all in preparation. I always imagine I'm on a stalk.
Post by: Plumber on June 07, 2010, 07:36:00 PM
Post by: bawana bowman on June 07, 2010, 07:37:00 PM
Have always been a hunter and always will be.
When I attend a shoot of any kind I use the same equipment I would be using when hunting. When I was younger (20s and 30s), I attended shoots with the intention of winning. And many times did, even against compound target shooters.
I never cared what others were shooting and still don't. Always have tried to do my best, and still do. Nowadays because of my eyes not being as good as they once were I have problems with the longer shots. But I still try and do my best and turn in my scores. Still shoot 50 to 90# draw weight even at shoots, can't remember shooting under 65# at any shoot in the last 10 years.
Don't expect to win many if any these days, but I'm still competing against myself. Any time I do well I'm happy. Doing well these days is being in the top 20 at any shoot, and I'm still there quite often.
Enjoy yourself at any shoot. If you don't want to compete against target set ups, find a shoot that offers different classes and shoot there.
Most all shoots I've attended lately have classes and stick to them. This makes the archers equal equipment wise.
I don't expect to shoot against an Olympic recurve shooter and win, but it sure makes me feel good to shoot almost as well as them with hunting equipment. And it impresses them when I can come close to their score without using sites and all the other garbage they use! :archer:
Post by: KentuckyTJ on June 07, 2010, 08:16:00 PM
Post by: hogdancer on June 07, 2010, 08:28:00 PM
Post by: Curveman on June 07, 2010, 08:34:00 PM
Post by: Mike Vines on June 07, 2010, 08:34:00 PM
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Originally posted by robtattoo:Not to bust your gonads, or start any arguments, but compounds aren't allowed at traditional shoots, if we didn't care what anyone else does, why not let them shoot at a traditional shoot. I know they weren't shooting compounds, but all rigged up recurves aren't far from it. I can understand where the guy was coming from. I don't do anything for competition, it all matters when I go hunting. Either I win, or I loose period. So I guess that makes me a Trad bowhunter.
I think it's a little sad that his opinion of the shoot was spoiled just because of the equipment other folks were using. Who the hell cares what ayone else is doing?
Maybe your bud needs to be a little more open minded Joey.
Post by: eric-thor on June 07, 2010, 08:38:00 PM
joebuck: i said alot more than that . sorry you missed the point.
Post by: Froggy on June 07, 2010, 08:40:00 PM
Post by: jsweka on June 07, 2010, 08:42:00 PM
For me personally, I would never own a target recurve just because I think they are ugly and I got into traditional archery to get away from all the gadgets. (Like Zipper Bows say - Life is too short to shoot an ugly bow).
Now having said that, I would also never question someone's bow choice (even compound) as long as we can joke around, laugh at each other's missess, congratulate each other's good shots, and have a general good time on the 3D course. I've got a buddy a work who is a die-hard speed freak compound guy and I am starting to realize I'll never convert him to the purity of the longbow, but he is still a barrel of laughs to shoot with.
Post by: chopx2 on June 07, 2010, 08:43:00 PM
What I don't cotton to at shoots are guys beinging negative. Seriousness is OK. Let's have fun. "I've never had to take back something I didn't say"
Post by: SteveB on June 07, 2010, 08:56:00 PM
If you are there for hunting practise, how could the equipment others shoot have any effect on you whatsoever?
Post by: Don Batten on June 07, 2010, 09:03:00 PM
By the way Joey, another 200 thread in the works?
Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on June 07, 2010, 09:41:00 PM
Post by: mississippidave on June 07, 2010, 09:41:00 PM
Post by: vermonster13 on June 07, 2010, 09:53:00 PM
Post by: joebuck on June 07, 2010, 09:57:00 PM
Post by: Friend on June 07, 2010, 10:00:00 PM
Don't little differences separate us as a splntered community by the very reality that should be the source of unity.
Post by: pitbull on June 07, 2010, 10:06:00 PM
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Post by: ranger42 on June 07, 2010, 10:20:00 PM
Post by: SpankyNeal on June 07, 2010, 10:32:00 PM
Spanky
Post by: Gatekeeper on June 07, 2010, 10:44:00 PM
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Originally posted by joebuck:I don’t have a clue what the IBO rules are I only know where the vitals are located and that’s what I shoot for. Sometimes I shoot from the stakes and sometimes I try to setup a hunting scenario and shoot through brush, kneel down and shoot or peek around a tree and shoot. Some times if the range is setup for it I’ll take a long shot just for the fun of watching the arrow fly. Everyone I shoot with is shooting only to improve their skills and could careless about IBO scoring rules.
Trivia...who made up the IBO rules we have today in Traditional Class :D
I wouldn’t write off a shoot because I saw a bunch of technical archers shooting. If they were holding me up I might ask if I could go ahead of them. Actually I’ve never had to ask. The compound guys usually make the offer to let me shoot ahead of them.
I guess I don’t understand what your friend is so upset about. I’m not competing with the technical guys when I shoot so I don’t care how they spend their day.
Post by: BCWV on June 07, 2010, 10:45:00 PM
The 2 top trad shooters use target style recurves, carbon lites and take first and second about every shoot they enter.
My little group use our hunting bows and heavy arrows. I try to shoot my best and do keep score but I gauge my score against my fellow shooters useing the same type of equipment. It does make us feel good to get close to the target fellows.
I have seen many post that mentions either not keeping score or scoring rings on 3D targets not being realistic to actual hunting shots. It's just my thoughts but if I'm able to hone in and hit the 11, wherever it's located, it's good practice for hunting. It may not be where I would shoot an animal but if I can hit where I want to, it's good practice.
For me, it doesn't matter what others are shooting. I have a good time with good friends and that's what keeps me coming back.
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on June 07, 2010, 10:53:00 PM
Post by: eric-thor on June 07, 2010, 11:03:00 PM
BCWV
WELL SAID :thumbsup:
Post by: Ragnarok Forge on June 07, 2010, 11:19:00 PM
I attend trad shoots to shoot with other trad shooters. I have never seen a FITA style bow at any of the local trad shoots. I doubt they would be allowed to shoot. As soon as you put a site on your bow the local trad clubs don't have a class for you to shoot in.
I came in first place in my class at a recent safari shoot. They had crazy 101, 88, and 75 yard, etc shots and the trad folks shot from the same stakes as the compounders. It was really cool watching my arrows arc in and even occasionally hit at those ranges. The three compound guys I was shooting with were thorougly impressed that I even hit the long shots and I flat blew them away when I shot a 21 out of 22 possible points on a 73 yard target. I actually outshot them ( Got lucky and hit the orange spot on the first shot and managed to repeat it pretty close on on the second shot ). Oh by the way I also came in last. I was the only male longbow shooter. Tricia came in first in the womens longbow division for the same reason. We both got a standing ovations from all the compound and FITA shooters when we picked up our trophies. We got a ton of comments about how they couldn't believe we were at that shoot and even some that they couldn't believe our scores were good with the really long shots we had to take.
I would never avoid shooting with the FITA guys or compounders. We are all archers and should all be working together to make our sport a better and friendlier place. As mentioned in an earlier post is it fun watching the compound guys being all serious and grumpy while fiddling with the equipment. I step up and rub my thumb along my riser cut out and say " hmmm, I had to adjust my sights, I bumped them on the last target", I them hit the stake, make a fast draw and release and smoke one into the kill I love seeing the look on their faces. I then end up handing my bow around for everyone to check ouyt and always get a Dam% I want to carry the light thing around next hunting season. Most of the time it gets a good laugh.
Post by: bmfer on June 07, 2010, 11:35:00 PM
That being said, not all people see well from my perspective, I like what I like, and don't expect everybody else to like it. But I was raised to extend that same courtesy to others.
Post by: eric-thor on June 07, 2010, 11:38:00 PM
Post by: joebuck on June 07, 2010, 11:47:00 PM
Post by: bmfer on June 07, 2010, 11:53:00 PM
Post by: joebuck on June 07, 2010, 11:54:00 PM
Post by: kbetts on June 07, 2010, 11:58:00 PM
Post by: robtattoo on June 07, 2010, 11:59:00 PM
Killed enough skwerls to fill a 55 gallon drum though (with a 60# longbow ;) )
Post by: SteveB on June 08, 2010, 12:01:00 AM
Still want the agreed on definition of the dreaded "target bow".
Post by: joebuck on June 08, 2010, 12:03:00 AM
Post by: joebuck on June 08, 2010, 12:10:00 AM
We never had a problem with Target guys at our shoots in Ga....we did 2 things....1st we quit giving away trophies and replaced them with broadheads...and second thing is we made them join the org. to shoot......ya'll still doing that TBG? i hope so
Post by: kbetts on June 08, 2010, 12:10:00 AM
Post by: joebuck on June 08, 2010, 12:13:00 AM
Post by: eric-thor on June 08, 2010, 12:39:00 AM
Post by: RC on June 08, 2010, 12:42:00 AM
My arrows were in a homemade deer quiver with boar cutters and Turkey toes seperated by rabbit leg bones on a piece of leather.Folks commeneted on it specially the Turkey toes and would oohh and aahh about me killing a spring Gobbler with the recurve. I did`nt tell`m how many I missed. They Made me feel welcome and special and I felt like I had known them forever.THATS WHAT I WENT TO SEE....MORE BOWHUNTERS. If I had found a bunch of target archers I too would have been disappointed. I guess its all in what your after.
Joebuck, I had an off year last year with only 16 big game kills. Some only weighed 40 pounds though..lol.RC
Post by: robtattoo on June 08, 2010, 12:54:00 AM
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Originally posted by joebuck:Me too. She's terrible, isn't she! :laughing:
i rather do this than listen to my wife snore
Post by: Thumper Dunker on June 08, 2010, 01:02:00 AM
Post by: Ragnarok Forge on June 08, 2010, 02:39:00 AM
I would love to shoot a round with you. How close is Mesa to Phoenix? I am working on a javalina hunt near Phoenix in the next year or two. Tricia's brother lives in Phoenix and I hear there are plenty of javelina north of phoenix about a 40 minute drive out of town.
Post by: Earthdog on June 08, 2010, 02:53:00 AM
Yeah I bring what I hunt with,,,it's a razzle dazzle multi purpose alloy riser ILF limbed recurve,,,exactly the bow which is being pointed at by you and your buddy.
I've been involved in this sport for close to 40 years now,and the back stabing and finger pointing has never been stronger than today,,,thanks joe.
I shoot 3D as a stand alone sport that has nothing to do with hunting for me,but I'll never judge,put down or try to restrict those that are there for different reasons to me.
I do shoot to win and my bow is my choice and nobody elses.
Anybody that doesn't like it,,well I won't miss their presence in the lest,,after all this sport chews up and spits out the pretenders with monotonous regularity,and in my experience the elitests are the first to go anyway,,,just as joebuck and his buddy have now proven for all to see.
So well done mate,,I wouldn't of stabbed myself in the foot in quite as public a fashion as you have,but I guess I'm commited to archery and your commited to,,,,looking trad ????
Good luck with that.
Post by: Ben Maher on June 08, 2010, 04:04:00 AM
to be honest I couldn't care if you dressed as Bozo the clown and your recurve had a seven foot stabilizer hanging from it as long as you are a good fella / gal , hunt and / or compete with integrity and a and have at least some semblance that this sport under its many varied and wonderful variations is at the very least meant to be fun.
Ben "traditional archer who bowhunts " Maher
Post by: ranger42 on June 08, 2010, 06:10:00 AM
Post by: stickbowmaniac on June 08, 2010, 06:28:00 AM
Post by: BCWV on June 08, 2010, 06:48:00 AM
I missed a couple deer last season but did make it happen on a small buck. I took squirrels, rabbits and declared war on the groundhogs that where in my garden last summer. I used my recurve or longbow and haven't shot a firearm at an animal for 2 years.
I've taken small game this year as well as 3 hogs on my trip to FL. last month. All with the same gear I shoot with at 3D. I'm not as successful as many with my bow but am having a ball.
Post by: John Dill on June 08, 2010, 08:20:00 AM
Great thread Joey.....Have you heard from the Hoods on the revival of the Southeastern Classic?
Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on June 08, 2010, 08:32:00 AM
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Originally posted by joebuck:The there should be no complaints. ;)
A Target style bow now or then has absolutely no advantage over Traditional Bows on course set up for close hunting.....
Post by: hogdancer on June 08, 2010, 09:19:00 AM
1) to me hunting is not a "sport" I have seen that term used a bunch here, 3d is a "sport"
2) I am a bowhunter and to hunt with a bow the recurve or longbow serves my purposes so that's what I use.
I don't watch football because it takes place during bow season
I don't take "bow walks" I scout while carrying my bow for some stump shooting practise.
I don't have a "target" bow
I don't know what EFOC is
all my field points are not the same weight.
My family does not eat store bought meat, if I don't kill it we don't eat it !
I know how to sharpen my broadheads, and get my arrows flying good out of my hunting weight bow to make an ethical shot on game animals.
I am a bowhunter , "trad" or otherwise, don't really think about that much.
only reason I would go to a 3d is to spend some time with my kids. Don't fault others for their reasons, just don't hang around them much.
Post by: GraniteStater on June 08, 2010, 09:25:00 AM
Post by: Gatekeeper on June 08, 2010, 09:29:00 AM
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Originally posted by joebuck:1 coyote / 56” Centaur 55# @ 29” with a 650 grain arrow
so here's my question...seriously .......how many of ya'll that posted actually killed a deer last year with a trad. bow ???
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2 deer / 54” Shrew 55# @ 29” with a 650 grain arrow
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1 rabbit / 60” Whip 55# @ 29” with a 650 grain arrow
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1 pig a little over a week ago. :bigsmyl: 56” Pronghorn 55# @29” with a 650 grain arrow
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Post by: wapiti792 on June 08, 2010, 09:47:00 AM
Post by: Dawn Patrol on June 08, 2010, 09:56:00 AM
I had the please of shooting a 3-D contest with him over 20 years ago and My brother and I laughed the entire day.
Another thing you should know, he LOVES to stir the pot and watch folks get fired up.
If more people were like him I'd have more hunting buddys.
Post by: reddogge on June 08, 2010, 10:07:00 AM
Don't really care what others shoot as long as they don't hold me up. Don't care what the score is either.
I DON'T carry broadheads during these shoots as they are potentially lethal and as Murphy's Law dictates, anything can happen at anytime.
Post by: buckeye_hunter on June 08, 2010, 10:09:00 AM
What I DID NOT care for was the superior attitude and rudeness some shooters displayed. Heck, one guy drove us all nuts. He HAD to "one up" everybody. No matter what a person said he always had a bigger story to tell.
Long and short....lets be glad for the people that are shooting and being polite while having a good time regardless of what they shoot.
All that being said, I do shoot my 50lb set up for hunting and target. It gives a more realistic feel for me.
Just to stir the pot a bit....Last year I hunted with a recurve, muzzleloader, shotgun and took a few shots with a slingshot. I got ya'all beat, cuz I belong to the most groups! :biglaugh:
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on June 08, 2010, 10:23:00 AM
"United we stand divided we fall!" I give praise to a hunter who kills a big buck with a super duty Rifle just as quick as I do a hunter with a bow. It is this separtist attitude that is the cause of many different religions. It creates a rift among people with common beleifs and can turn a good day ugly.
I guess it is Human nature to have an elitist attitude and then try to get people to be on "our side". Tell you the truth, it's not as much fun!!!!
I'll shoot with Billy bob with a string tied to a stick as quickly as I will shoot with Mr. President with a top of the line gazillion $ bow that is certaily the best of the best due to it's price.
Fact of the matter is, I like to shoot my bow and surround myself with good company.
To answer your question, Both.
Post by: Raging Water on June 08, 2010, 10:48:00 AM
JoeBuck: That’s the most un-american thing I have ever read on this board........
First ---- JoeBuck – the A in American is CAPITALIZED!
Second ----- Joe Buck --- You took Eric’s comment out of context.
Here is his whole comment
Eric-Thor: “None of us should be attending a shoot to win but to practice our art and compete only against ourselves and our own limitations whether permanent or temporary and strive to advance our skill and understanding of this great sport we claim to be a part of”
My question: What is un-American about “competing, only against ourselves…to strive to advance our skill and understanding”?
The pursuit of personal perfection is not un-American. Beating another individual, in a 3 D shoot, in my opinion is trivial. Eric-Thor’s drive to improve himself is American. His struggle to be a bow hunter, which if needed, would put meat on the table; is AMERICAN.
The 3 D shoot is just a means to an end. As some of you know, I teach Martial Arts in Texas. I don’t do sport fighting. I don’t compete in sport Brazilian Jujitsu. Why? They won’t let me poke an eye out, rip off testicles, or tear out a throat. “Out wrestling” the other guy is not important to me. What is important is my ability to keep bad guys from hurting my family or yours. Or teaching Women and Children to get out of a bad guy’s grasp.
To me; a 3 D shoot is an opportunity to PRACTICE and to have FUN, not to compete. If, and I never have gotten close, win a 3 D shoot? Okay, cool.
But, that is not my goal.
BTW, 3 cups of Coffee and five hours sleep = Rant
Post by: Shakes.602 on June 08, 2010, 10:58:00 AM
Post by: joebuck on June 08, 2010, 10:59:00 AM
What BIG Shoots out there are "bring what you hunt with"?
Post by: buckeye_hunter on June 08, 2010, 11:06:00 AM
But...what if someone went Dukes of Hazzard and had explosive broadheads? Think they should shoot last? :readit:
:help: It'spossible I need professional help...not sure though.
Post by: joebuck on June 08, 2010, 11:11:00 AM
Post by: kbetts on June 08, 2010, 11:16:00 AM
Post by: kbetts on June 08, 2010, 11:22:00 AM
That being said, I am very competetive. My competition are my compound carrying buddies. If I out harvest them on a consistant basis, I win.
Post by: Northwest_Bowhunter on June 08, 2010, 11:30:00 AM
If he didn't have fun, he is right to not go again.
Post by: IndianaBowman on June 08, 2010, 11:51:00 AM
Post by: Raging Water on June 08, 2010, 12:05:00 PM
I agree, you can go to 3 D shoots and win. Good for you. But going to a 3 D shoot with the intention of "Competing Against Yourself" as Eric said, is not un-American.
Post by: Raging Water on June 08, 2010, 12:09:00 PM
BTW, I think your post was originally about "Bring what you hunt with" and not the good, the bad, and the ugly of a 3 D shoot.
I think your original point, is excellent!
"Bring what you hunt with" to a 3 D shoot is a good message.
Post by: hawk4570 on June 08, 2010, 12:11:00 PM
Post by: BowHuntingFool on June 08, 2010, 12:59:00 PM
I enjoy this to much to worry what the next guy shoots, hunts with or what he says about how I do things! There are negative folks in all walks of life, just got know BS when you hear it!
Post by: lpcjon2 on June 08, 2010, 01:00:00 PM
Post by: stevemfwills on June 08, 2010, 01:18:00 PM
Post by: Northwest_Bowhunter on June 08, 2010, 01:23:00 PM
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Originally posted by joebuck:I personally don't have any bows designed for targets and I only shoot my 63# Hill style longbow. So yes I am of the same mind set personally.
...anyone else of the same mind set as me " Bring what you hunt with ?"
Post by: buckeye_hunter on June 08, 2010, 02:13:00 PM
Sorry, had to set the record straight.
:bigsmyl:
Post by: BowHuntingFool on June 08, 2010, 02:22:00 PM
Post by: Johan van Niekerk on June 08, 2010, 02:24:00 PM
I started shooting as a FITA shooter, and that lead me to becomming a compound hunter, which in turn evolved into a fullfledged stick and string type of hunter/archer. Recently a whole group of guys I shot FITA with years back started shooting trad with us. Their new found passion and enthusiasm has totally revived my own passion for traditional archery.
I guess I'm trying to say that some of the guys with their newfangled equipment will probably "grow" and end up being lifelong supporters of traditional archery...don't lock them out. Invite them in. They might end up being the "new blood" your local trad archery scene needs in a year or two's time!
Post by: Northwest_Bowhunter on June 08, 2010, 02:28:00 PM
Post by: SteveB on June 08, 2010, 02:55:00 PM
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Originally posted by hawk4570:Problem with bows that have been used for 60 plus years?
I use the same bow for booth the only thing I really have a problem with is metal risers on trad bows.
Post by: joevan125 on June 08, 2010, 03:11:00 PM
I ordered this bow because i wanted a 3-D bow and this bow fits that need to a T.
That being said i can still hunt any animal in north america but i just wanted a long smooth shooting bow.
After all these 3-D shoots are over i will be hunting with my PSA X or my ILF Morrison.
I could care less what people are shooting at 3-D shoots as long as they are having fun and they are promoting trad archery.
Post by: DesertDude on June 08, 2010, 03:20:00 PM
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Originally posted by joebuck:I have read this over and over.
Buddy of mine( been huntin with Trad equip for 3 years) just got back from a large Traditional shoot he has been excited about going to for his first time and came back with disappointment. I asked him why? He said he was saddened to see so many razzle dazzle target recurves set ups at the top classes. He said 2 guys in his group were shooting 39#......long story short he said he would not go back.. He wanted to be around Traditional Bowhunters not guys shooting target setups...........I said .."Congratuations...you could be classified a Traditional Bowhunter".......i hung up and scratched that shoot off my to do list next year...anyone else of the same mind set as me " Bring what you hunt with ?"
He's upset because the shooters in the "Top" class shot Razzle Dazzle Target RECURVES....
(Note) I take it they were allowed/with in the rules of this shoot.
He didn't want to shoot with Target Recurve shooters. He wanted to shoot with Bowhunters/ people shooting there hunting bows..
So why didn't he just shoot with a different group?
So both of you will not be going to this shoot next year....
I'm sure no will miss both of you.
When will this petty complaining stop? Never...
I'm sure glad that everyone doesn't have this mind set......
By the way I only shoot my hunting bow at 3D shoots. For over 20+ years this has been the norm for me.
As for weather I'm a Trad Archer or Trad Bowhunter.. I hunt,shoot,and everything else with a Recurve and Longbow. So in the end I guess I'm just.......Mark
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Post by: Winterhawk1960 on June 08, 2010, 04:12:00 PM
Some days are better than others as lots of things can have an affect on how a person shoots that particular day. I came back to shooting what I call traditional bows because of the simplicity of it all......as well as the fact that I just wasn't enjoying hunting with my "gadget bow" any longer. For me, shooting a compound with a kisser button, peep sight, stabilizer and sight pins........let alone the mechanical release was to much like a rifle. Once you got it tuned in.......it was just plain and simple TO EASY to make a good shot. That being said, I never shot competitively......nor did I have the desire to. I shot some 3D rounds and tore up my share of paper targets.
I understand and support anyone that makes the choice to be competitive........heck, I am competitive myself, but not with other people. I have participated in many other sports in a competitive way and enjoyed myself. The only competition that I have......is with myself. I have yet to turn in a score card at a 3D shoot, but have not ruled that out as a possibility.
To be perfectly honest with you, I am afraid that if I ever got in a "competitive mode" shooting my bows that it would take some of the fun out of it for me. I could be wrong, but I'm sure that as long as the "fun" remains when shooting for a score, it will be something that I will continue to do.
As for light bows, and what I have learned about shooting them. When I want to work on my form, for me.......the lightweight bows show me much more than the heavier ones do. Your release, especially is much more critical when you don't have a bunch of weight trying to pull the string from your fingers. I own and shoot several bows built by different bowyers and truly enjoy both the vast and subtle differences. Anyone that has shot a lot of different bows can relate to what I am talking about. What I have found, for me, is that the "grip" on a bow is what makes or breaks it for me. Even with a similar grip on a bow built by a different bowyer.......some bows like to be "held"......others don't. Some bows just "feel" better in my hand than others do.
We all have our own shooting style, mine has been modified.....and I'm quite sure that it will continue to be refined up to the point that I finally get good enough to "suit myself". I'm willing to bet that when that happens......that I'm better than "average".
Once again.......the competition isn't with ANYONE.....except myself. Anyone that knows me will readily admit that I'm pretty hard to please when it comes to judging myself.
Winterhawk1960
Post by: joebuck on June 08, 2010, 04:38:00 PM
It's always touchy subject on this board if you question a man's bow weight no matter how the thread starts out.
I apoligize to Eric about my "unamerican" comment. otherwise I have got 24 hours to learn JuJitzo(sp)with 2 little league games tonight..that ain't going to happen.
To put on a shoot takes alot work. I,like a few of ya'll have done it dozens of times. it's a thankless job. But dang the guy that leaves his hunting bow at home and brings his light weight target recurve and whimpy arrows to score well at a Bowhunting Setup tournament.
Post by: Dawn Patrol on June 08, 2010, 05:15:00 PM
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Post by: stickbow2442 on June 08, 2010, 05:29:00 PM
Just have fun.
Post by: John3 on June 08, 2010, 05:32:00 PM
I am a bowhunter, not a bow shooter... Trying to win a ribbon with a 30# bow is fine and I'm all for it for everyone else..
Post by: joebuck on June 08, 2010, 05:35:00 PM
Post by: DesertDude on June 08, 2010, 05:40:00 PM
For years I shot bows with highter poundage but found with the modern strings, arrows, and bows.
Upper 50's is all I need...
I would love to go Joe, but not in your place. Maybe meet up there and have a blast shooting 3D's and not givin a hoot about what others shoot. Just a thought.......
Mark
Post by: 2 Barrels on June 08, 2010, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: Northwest_Bowhunter on June 08, 2010, 06:07:00 PM
Post by: eric-thor on June 08, 2010, 06:09:00 PM
it sounds to me like quite a few of you are on the same page and some not so much . :knothead: i accept your appology ....now the point i was making is a mental aspect of winning archery/good harvesting. i love to compete,...ive found in my self as well as seen in the majority of others that when one goes to a shoot or any compition for that matter and thier only reason for being there is to win the shoot they are easily defeated . the reason being : they are focused on the final score of thiers and of the others. they loose focus of what is truly important to winning ." that is the shot you are about to make right now."
the shot in the past is gone . unchangeable ,history ...the shots to come are in the future and have no beering on the shot you have to make right now ...the same is ,and should apply in hunting .the animal you missed yesterday has no beering on the one in front of you right now...
what someone else shoots has no beering on what i shoot and how they shoot "should "have no beering on how i shoot.
i enjoy archery .i enjoy hunting.i strive to be the best i can be every time i go out to do either one . and i learn and grow from each experience weather it turnd out the way i wanted it to of not . but ill never let someone else take away from me the time spent nor the lessons learnd by the experiences i get from attending any hunt or archery shoot . they will never have that kind of power in my life . you would have to kill me first . so shoot what you want !!! when you want ,where you want .it has no beering on me ,and what im there to do.
as Forest Gump said " thats all ive got to say about that" :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Dawn Patrol on June 08, 2010, 07:35:00 PM
Ronnie is still around and still shoots great and still a true gentileman.
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on June 08, 2010, 07:53:00 PM
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Originally posted by joebuck:Joe, I never wish to exclude anyone. Just because I attend a "traditional" shoot doesn't mean I made up the rules. If a pair of wheels showed up, I would let him shoot. In fact if he needed to join a group, I'd invite him in.
Cyclic...based on your comments...Isn't Excluding compounds at a Traditional Shoots be "Elitist attitude" also?.....
What BIG Shoots out there are "bring what you hunt with"?
To me having a good time is the goal. I don't have time to worry about what someone else is doing unless it physically harms or endangers me or others.
If you think that I meant it's a great idea to exclude compounds from another thread, I was more trying to make a point that I do not need to shoot where I wasn't treated as equal in respect to how we are viewed and treated based on our personal choices in equipment. I was also trying to make a point; I avoid giving business to companies (or clubs) who refuse to treat me with common courtesy and respect. Would you continue to return to a restaurant that purposely gives you poor service and bad food? If you do that's fine it's a choice, I will not even if I had to go hungry for a day. Perhaps it's a pride thing.
I do think that excluding Compounds from a "Traditional" shoot is "Elitist", however If I was hosting the shoot I wouldn't ask them to leave, I would simply ask them to have a good time. Party crashing happens everywhere even at the White house, They weren't escorted out either.
I think if we want to preserve a tradition we need to accept the modern as well as the traditional because if there wasn't compounds and composites and such it would just be archery and not traditional archery in which case we would all be shooting together anyhow. If your targets cannot accommodate a crossbow or the course isn't safe for high power, well then maybe then you have a case to ask them not to shoot.
Let's all be friends :) and fling arrows :archer: .
Post by: Northwest_Bowhunter on June 08, 2010, 08:00:00 PM
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Originally posted by Cyclic-Rivers:Only because no one knew they were at the party until after the couple posted it on Facebook. Everyone agrees they should have been escorted out or forbidden from the start. If you don't keep out compound bows what is the point in calling it a traditional event. If you aren't going to have rules what is the point in keeping score in any sporting event. There has to be a line somewhere, this I'm ok, you're ok philosophy isn't really ok when used in real life. Without rule things go bad pretty fast.
Party crashing happens everywhere even at the White house, They weren't escorted out either.
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on June 08, 2010, 08:06:00 PM
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Originally posted by joebuck:Joe Sorry I missed this question, I did not kill a deer last year with my bow. But since I did not get a shot it's kinda tough to kill one. I could have just lifted my face mask because that probably would have done it. Seriously though. I only saw 13 deer and didn't get a shot. Partly due to landowner wishes and partly due to the places I hunted. I'm ok with that though because I have a friend that kills a deer for me if I need it with his gun.
.how many of ya'll that posted actually killed a deer last year with a trad. bow ??? [/QB]
Sounds like you were more disgusted with a specific group of archers. That is often why some people chose to shoot alone!
Find a good crew it may change your perspective.
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on June 08, 2010, 08:07:00 PM
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Originally posted by Northwest_Bowhunter:
QuoteQUOTE]Only because no one knew they were at the party until after the couple posted it on Facebook. Everyone agrees they should have been escorted out or forbidden from the start. If you don't keep out compound bows what is the point in calling it a traditional event. If you aren't going to have rules what is the point in keeping score in any sporting event. There has to be a line somewhere, this I'm ok, you're ok philosophy isn't really ok when used in real life. Without rule things go bad pretty fast. [/b]I knew someone would bring the fact that no one knew they were there. Fact of the matter is, no one was in imminent danger. Could they have been sure!
I understand the necessity of rules. They are important. I never mentioned a compound shooter should be able to compete a t a trad function I simply said I wouldn't keep them form shooting.
If I chose to shoot at a compound only event and they dint have a trad trophy. It would be my choice to shoot and not have a prize to win. If I didn't accept their terms then I wouldn't choose to shoot. Here is the way I see it, The club could gain an extra few bucks and I haven't been to many d shoots but, the one or two shooters wouldn't hold up a 3d line much.
Besides what better way to show them what Trad is all about. I understand discrimination will always exist. It has to! But telling a couple of compound guys they can't shoot a round of 3d because they will out shoot someone is Idiotic barring any safety concerns. They would just need to explain it is a trad competition and there isn't a prize for them to win. They can choose to stick around or go.
Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on June 08, 2010, 08:08:00 PM
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Originally posted by SteveB:Near as I can tell, it's any bow used by anyone who beats someone else. ;)
Still want the agreed on definition of the dreaded "target bow".
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on June 08, 2010, 08:27:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ben Maher::laughing: Funny, but I agree whole heartedly!!!
I suppose at a stretch I could see people wearing camo, scent lures and hunting from tree stands as not very trad...
to be honest I couldn't care if you dressed as Bozo the clown and your recurve had a seven foot stabilizer hanging from it as long as you are a good fella / gal , hunt and / or compete with integrity and a and have at least some semblance that this sport under its many varied and wonderful variations is at the very least meant to be fun.
Ben "traditional archer who bowhunts " Maher
Post by: foamkiller on June 08, 2010, 10:34:00 PM
Too many people are caught up in this "Traditional or not Traditional" crap. We need to realize we are all hunters whether we use stick bows, compounds or guns. United we stand, divided we fall. If one of us loses something we have all lost something.
Post by: jacobsladder on June 08, 2010, 10:54:00 PM
Post by: joebuck on June 08, 2010, 11:02:00 PM
Post by: Raging Water on June 08, 2010, 11:06:00 PM
Wasn't this thread about "Bring what you hunt with"?
Post by: vermonster13 on June 08, 2010, 11:08:00 PM
Post by: Raging Water on June 08, 2010, 11:10:00 PM
Go Obama!
Post by: kbetts on June 08, 2010, 11:22:00 PM
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Post by: DesertDude on June 08, 2010, 11:45:00 PM
Mark
Post by: kbetts on June 08, 2010, 11:55:00 PM
Post by: Raging Water on June 08, 2010, 11:58:00 PM
The original post had some interest. Not the part about the merits of target archery and 3 D. But, about shooting 3 D with the bow you hunt with. That is a valuable comment.
Post by: DesertDude on June 09, 2010, 12:05:00 AM
Sorry for my negitive comments....
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on June 09, 2010, 12:10:00 AM
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Originally posted by DesertDude:Don't be sorry Dude, sometimes it the little things that gets thread to run the wrong way or turn in to a bad thread...
Very True...Some times things just rub me wrong.
Sorry for my negitive comments....
Like I posted Before I'm a Traditional Bowhunting Archer, on 3-D shoots I set up like I'm hunting.. Hell I do that when I just shooting too.
Post by: Raging Water on June 09, 2010, 12:22:00 AM
It's all good.
Matt
Post by: eric-thor on June 09, 2010, 12:28:00 AM
ok joe now i really dont like you . any bow is a target bow!!! anything you shoot and arrow at is a target!weather a peice of paper or a piece of foam ,or a piece of crap floating arround in the yard, and yes even an animal is a target . its what we are aiming at hence: a TARGET.
I BET YOU HAVE AN ASSULT WEAPON TOO !!!
what else would you use a weapon for .????
this is getting stupid but i think this is your whole point . just seeing how far you can get people fired up. it was fun for a while but now id rather listen to your wife snore. :smileystooges:
Post by: Raging Water on June 09, 2010, 12:34:00 AM
I think this thread may be done.
Post by: eric-thor on June 09, 2010, 12:46:00 AM
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Post by: joebuck on June 09, 2010, 08:36:00 AM
post started about a friend's disappointment to see so many target type bow and setups at a large Traditional bow shoot. I gave my oppinion. This thread has twisted and turned many ways by other posters.
It's sad to me and my friend that some big Traditional bowhunting shoots COULD be fading away from "bring what you hunt with". How do ya'll feel....
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anyone else of the same mind set as me " Bring what you hunt with ?""TRADITIONAL BOWHUNTER" here:
That is what I do. I use what I hunt with for everything. To me 3D is a game and I am a competitor in the game. I go to 3D shoots because I like playing the game and hanging out with friends. But if missing the 60 yd elk target happens because my heavy arrows fall off way out there and because I never practice at 60yds then so-be-it. I love traditional bowhunting. If someone gave me an ultimatum, 3D or hunting, I would never shoot another 3D target again.
By the way, I don't mind the gadget guys (target shooters). They are in it just for the game and that is OK. It is just that much sweeter on the days that I do beat them.
Bisch
Post by: James Wrenn on June 09, 2010, 09:31:00 AM
I shoot targets with lighter bows and hunt with them as well.Heavier bows are great..for someone else but I have no need for one.I can have all kinds of fun with buddys at a 3d but still try to shoot as high a score as I can.One has nothing to do with the other.jmo
Post by: joebuck on June 09, 2010, 10:44:00 AM
Post by: DesertDude on June 09, 2010, 11:12:00 AM
It's sad to think that people are so petty...
If they are hurting the 3d shoots so bad, why not get clubs to change the equiptment reqirements? Will this save our 3D shoots? By closing the door to a few, will it save it for the rest? I don't have all the answers, just gut feelings and they say "Go, enjoy yourself, have a great time, support the Clubs putting on these shoots, see old and new friends, and have Fun".
Maybe I do have the answer, Go to these shoots and support the clubs who put them on. Have a great time and not worry what other are shooting.
Yea that's my answer.....
Post by: joebuck on June 09, 2010, 11:51:00 AM
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Post by: Gatekeeper on June 09, 2010, 12:10:00 PM
If keeping score and being #1 in the class that you shoot is important to you, wouldn’t it make sense to for you to petition for a new class or group to compete in? It could be called the Hunter Class and all bows in this class must have a starting weight of 50# or more. By doing this it would eliminate your annoyance of competing with the techie shooters that shoot light weight bows and give you satisfaction of competing with people who shoot the same equipment as you.
Post by: joebuck on June 09, 2010, 12:23:00 PM
Post by: James Wrenn on June 09, 2010, 12:41:00 PM
No one twist your arm to turn in a score card.They don't care if you shoot from the stake or move closer as long as it is safe and you are not scoring.What happens to shoots is people whining about what someone else wants to shoot.The ones that always make the most fuss are those that don't turn in a score card.Come have fun with friends ect and quit worring about the next guys choice in bows, arrows ect and you will always have a better day. :thumbsup:
Post by: Gatekeeper on June 09, 2010, 02:09:00 PM
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Originally posted by joebuck:No. Not for me or any of the guys I shoot with.
Gatekeeper..I started this thread NOT about score......not about IBO.....not about salt earth trad bowhunter getting beat by shiny 35# 68" target recurve......It's not about who WINS......it's about In Your Oppinion does allowing Target Style resemblence equipment change the fabric of the crowd at these shoots now and in the future? so lets have it?
Post by: joebuck on June 09, 2010, 02:16:00 PM
Post by: James Wrenn on June 09, 2010, 03:14:00 PM
Yes I have killed stuff with most every bow I own except for maybe a couple of new ones that have not been hunting yet.I typically shoot more weight at 3ds than I hunt with however so some bows don't hunt much any more.
Post by: 3blades on June 09, 2010, 04:54:00 PM
I am a trad hunter but if I were shooting for dough and prizes I would mostly shoot my most accurate set up be it hunting or target. As for me all I have are hunting set ups but then I don't shot for prizes or cash.. :archer2:
Post by: Bush on June 09, 2010, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: James Wrenn on June 09, 2010, 05:42:00 PM
Post by: Zbearclaw on June 09, 2010, 06:11:00 PM
A few weeks ago I was shooting in a 3d shoot in a group of compound guys, all of which are good buddies. I had a trad group behind us tell me I was shooting with the wrong folks...
I am a hunter, what I use in the process of that is no less trivial than the skivies I am wearing at the time.
We have enough folks trying to divide our ranks, let's not help their misguided cause...
Post by: joebuck on June 09, 2010, 06:28:00 PM
This thread is about the changing crowds at 3-d shoots. Is one crowd, because of equipment choices, causing the other to dwindle? Or Are we seeing the shoot paradon change where the old "bring what you hunt with crowd" is leaving their hunting bow in the car and shooting a 3-d bow (light weight,long length light arrows, maybe metal somewhere). Any of ya'll leave your hunting bow in the car to shoot your 3-D Traditional Bow? Why?
James, in Ga in the 90's they would let someone shoot a bow under 40# but they had to wear a pink halter top all day.....they still may require that...... :biglaugh:
Post by: Gerry on June 09, 2010, 06:30:00 PM
Post by: James Wrenn on June 09, 2010, 06:42:00 PM
Post by: Zbearclaw on June 09, 2010, 06:50:00 PM
Compound guys whine about target rigs to. If you care about the score, and believe that the person that just mopped the floor with you did so because of non camo limbs or lighter weight follow suit or call the waambulance off.
I personally rarely shoot target shoots as none are near me and traveling to them counts against my numbered days of hunting.
Post by: joebuck on June 09, 2010, 06:52:00 PM
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Post by: Zbearclaw on June 09, 2010, 06:58:00 PM
If we had more shoots close by I would shoot more, but when I only get "x" number of days free to hunt each year infind it hard to cash in a hall pass to shoot targets, though it is fun.
I shoot the king Arthur shoot in San Diego one year and I'd bet 2/3 of those folks had never hunted.
I am hoping we see the fruits of NASP here soon in the woods and on the ranges.
Go get em tiger...
Post by: SHOOTO8S on June 09, 2010, 07:00:00 PM
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Originally posted by joebuck:Need to get out more Joey :biglaugh:
Who said they beat Me :) .....no one did in 93' :biglaugh:
Post by: joebuck on June 09, 2010, 07:18:00 PM
On another note...with today's state of the union at 3-d shoots,I'm thinking about building a longbow for Batman...72" 38# at 28" and mass weight 8#.....shoot some 250 grain arrows tuned to 32" with point on at 25yards....I'm going to call it the Smokin Joe....he's begging me too and would wear the halter top in GA........
Post by: Don Batten on June 09, 2010, 08:22:00 PM
Joey, you need to come to a shoot where James Wrenn is. Best dutch oven cook you ever seen. I'm talkin desert and the whole 9 yards. also a great guy who could care less if you got a flipper or cliker or a chicken head on your bow. LOL.
If you are making me a bow, make 3, one for me , Biggie and Marty, we can have a shoot off next time we all get togather.
You need to sell some drywall and quit pissin these boys off. Don
Post by: Don Batten on June 09, 2010, 08:24:00 PM
Post by: James Wrenn on June 09, 2010, 08:35:00 PM
As long as it don't stink I am ok with it however. ;)
Post by: joebuck on June 09, 2010, 08:47:00 PM
Let me make a couple of calls and get my team back together...I got a bow coming from korea....i'll roll a hog before i come so "its" my hunting bow......Only good shot ever come out of NC was Linda Graham IMO and she don't shoot with rednecks ....Ya'll can't even put the right sauce on BBQ.......hold tight
Post by: Paul/KS on June 09, 2010, 09:22:00 PM
Great folks with a two day total of shooters over 200. Lots of cubs and youth paticipated. They break it up between Recurve,Longbow and Primitive classes, mens and women, for adults. A 40 target course covering a lot of ground.
I shot Primitive with a bow of my own making so that added to the fun...
Post by: stickhead on June 09, 2010, 09:38:00 PM
Post by: joebuck on June 09, 2010, 10:25:00 PM
Post by: Dusty Nethery on June 09, 2010, 10:55:00 PM
I don't shoot trad to receive a pat on the back and a badge of honor; I shoot a recurve or longbow because I enjoy it. I respect passionate individuals regardless of what weapon they choose.
I shoot a couple of trad only 3D shoots every year and don't think they are any more fun than the mixed bag shoots.
Sure the compound guys take longer but the ones I shoot around have the courtesy to let us shoot through. And sometimes I see some of the trad guys holding up the lines by looking for lost arrows. So, six of one and a half dozen of another.
Post by: stickhead on June 09, 2010, 10:57:00 PM
Post by: nightowl1 on June 09, 2010, 11:39:00 PM
Shooting 3d is fun! My father in law shoots more targets than he hunts though so his setup is a little different. I think thats fine too.
Post by: SHOOTO8S on June 10, 2010, 12:50:00 AM
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Originally posted by joebuck:Now you makin perfect sense :biglaugh:
Ya'll can't even put the right sauce on BBQ..
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Post by: Jerry Wald on June 10, 2010, 01:52:00 AM
I do wonder if the cable gun ppl actually enjoy themselves though. There are usually pissed if they don't get the 12x...whatever.
I shoot for ME period...I shoot to have FUN and PRACTICE. I like to practice REAL shots though and sometimes I have to go on myh own and shoot from different places than is the norm on the course.
I love shooting 3D for reasons that are probably common with most us...life sized targets BUT SOMETIMES I see them at UNREALISTIC DISTANCES for a hunting situation.
I might be wrong and have been before. I LOVE AND LIVE TO HUNT.....I think 3D really helps this....
WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE BH 3D COURSES THOUGH.
Jer BEar
Post by: Str8Shooter on June 10, 2010, 02:24:00 AM
I don't see a problem with anyone using a certain type of bow within the limits of the class. I go to shoots to enjoy myself and the company of friends. I also go because I enjoy the challenge of trying to get better and doing well. I've never shot a course and if I lost to someone who shot more technological equipment felt like my experience was diminished.
Traditional bowhunters in my neck of the woods are pretty easy going. Most folks could care less what you shoot so long as you're having fun. Most shoot the same bows they hunt with, whether it's a 65# Hill or a 40# metal Wing recurve. The trouble isn't with the equipment somebody else uses it's with people having a biased opinions based on what they think "hunting" equipment consitutes. Next time it is assumed that a bow is a target bow ask the shooter if they hunt with it. The answer may surprise you.
Post by: Margly on June 10, 2010, 03:15:00 AM
The competitions is for me very important for the fun and the practice for beeing a better archer!(I also enjoy winning :archer:
Margly
Post by: Eugene Slagle on June 10, 2010, 06:08:00 AM
But I slao like to shoot my bows, almost an addiction to me so in a sence I'm kinda both I guess.
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Post by: joebuck on June 10, 2010, 08:45:00 AM
In your oppinion...Is the equipment of Traditional 3-d shoots changing with more and more shooters shooting "3-D type setups" rather than their Hunting bows...Is this a good thing or Bad?........
In 20 years will Traditional 3-D shoots go the way of the compound shoots with very little participation because of equipment pressure?
Post by: hogdancer on June 10, 2010, 08:53:00 AM
Post by: Raging Water on June 10, 2010, 09:14:00 AM
Now there is an intellegent question!
This thread has gone back and forth from smart to stupid.
Post by: 3blades on June 10, 2010, 09:46:00 AM
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Originally posted by hogdancer:I think we all like to be the best shooter in the group and so yes it is becoming a more target oriented shoot but I also don't think it is effecting 3D in a bad way. Good competition will make us all better and more confident.
here is a thought... do you think the crowd is changing at 3d shoots to a more target mentality? . Do you think that will affect the future of 3d shoots ?
Post by: Ragnarok Forge on June 10, 2010, 10:18:00 AM
Do I like to win, you bet I do. Do I care if some guy I am shooting against is using a high end target bow and beats me. Not a bit. His equipment is his choice to make and he is welcome to it. I cannot push my ethics, equipment preferences, or views onto anyone else. If you feel outraged or offended that someone else shoots something else, you can of course just not attend that shoot again. In my mind that is self defeating. We need to support all archers and clubs to keep our sport healthy and enough members shooting and hunting to keep the Anti's at bay. I embrace our fellow archers, enjoy chatting and learning about each one of them and their equipment, and of course love it when I shoot better on a target, a course, or a full shoot. It happens enough for me to look forward to it.
I know that I am competing against my best prior score and nothing else. I cannot expect and don't expect to beat someone who is better than I am, or has better equipment. I also don't complain when I think the clubs set up is unfair. Life is tough and the world is unfair. As Grandpa used to tell me "Get the he@@ over it boy. Life isn't fair and if you think it should be, your going to have a rough life."
Post by: joebuck on June 10, 2010, 10:26:00 AM
Post by: Randy Koleno on June 10, 2010, 10:50:00 AM
I haven't scored a 3-D round in many years(although I did win a hot dog off my buddy a couple of weeks ago). We go for companionship and to have fun shooting our bows. One of the local clubs quit giving out trophys because of the bickering about equipment, the targets are partially obstructed, shots are to long, short, medium, blah blah. These are mixed shoots. I use my hunting bow at 3-d shoots because that's what I want to become most efficient with. I have no problem with any equipment anybody else is carrying.
The only large trad shoot I've been able to make so far has been ETAR (Denton Hill). Maybe the reason it still attracts a lot of people is that it's non-competitive, other than the Eagle Eye.
I think as a person starts to realize what he/she wants from archery, they will gravitate to the type of shoot they will enjoy the most. To each their own.
Post by: J-dog on June 10, 2010, 10:55:00 AM
Why?? people want to win simple - you see folks in the wheelie side get sponsors and money and all that - trad will be the same way; not a bad thing necassarily either.
J
Trad Bowhunter - have one bow - spend most time shooting by myself as I hunt from hunting positions and scenarios best I can. Just me.
Post by: AJP66 on June 10, 2010, 11:27:00 AM
Post by: hogdancer on June 10, 2010, 01:04:00 PM
Post by: James Wrenn on June 10, 2010, 01:47:00 PM
Rules at 3ds set what you can and can't do.I hunt with a rest on my bows but have to shoot off the shelf at many shoots.They won't let me shoot my hunting bow so ..yes it does stay in the van or at the house when I shoot there.For that reason I have a recurve setup for shooting off the shelf.I will hunt with that bow some but only after I put a rest back on it.I also use a short stab on it for vibration that has to come off for the 3ds.So when you are talking all about hunting bows no matter how you set rules they will always keep some hunting bows in the car. :
Post by: tlsharb on June 10, 2010, 02:03:00 PM
I put the bow down in 1980 (marriage, kids, etc.) and didn't pick it up again till a couple years ago. Feel like Rip van Winkle. Now I'm a "trad" shooter, and it seems while I was sleeping there came the death of "archers". I know I'm different on this-- but why is there even something called a "trad shoot"? The club I joined is a great group of folks. I'm one of only a few recurve shooters, but when the club has a shoot I'm just happy to be able to go shoot (not at all concerned what others are shooting).
So back to the original question-- I have no idea if target shooters are going to mess up the future of "trad shoots". I come more from an era where we just went to "shoots".
One sad note. The recurve shooters that do come to our club for the most part are pretty bad (big exception...Bill and Laura Carlsen have shot with me a couple times and are very good). They have the "trad hat", "trad back quiver", "trad arrows", and "trad bow", but they can't hit a trad thing. I keep thinking "these guys would benefit greatly from getting a target bow and flinging 112 arrows on an NFAA course. Their form would be so much better. Just an observation from "Rip".
Post by: Chortdraw on June 10, 2010, 02:13:00 PM
Post by: SteveB on June 10, 2010, 02:19:00 PM
Don't know, worry or care if anyone considers me a "trad bowhunter". And as hard as I look, I see no why my equipment choice hurts "current trad 3d shoots" when everthing I use was in wide use for hunting 50 plus years ago.
I guess if you look for division hard enough, you will find it or invent it.
Post by: joebuck on June 10, 2010, 02:59:00 PM
IMO.....In the future..........I think the people at Trad.shoots will stay the same but their equipment will change...Or will the tradbowhunter fade off?......Will we have bows for 3-d and bows for hunting...Do we the vast majority doing that now?.....Is that a good thing?......
i personally admire the guy the shows up at the Traditional 3-d with his metal riser bow,plunger etc that he HUNTS with and says screw a score, Mr. Scorekeeper /rules committee...this is what i hunt with....I'm shooting for practice.....
Post by: wapiti792 on June 10, 2010, 03:10:00 PM
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Post by: joebuck on June 10, 2010, 05:09:00 PM
Post by: McDave on June 10, 2010, 06:27:00 PM
But the fact of the matter is that there just aren't enough trad shooters out here in the West to justify having all the categories. If I sign up for Master Senior Trad Recurve in a lot of the shoots around here, I may well win first place because I'm the only guy shooting in that category. Woopie Do!
Post by: Ragnarok Forge on June 10, 2010, 07:19:00 PM
I know what you mean. Tricia and I shot a safari shoot last month and both took first place. Of course we were the only trad shooters there. We both got a laugh out of getting a trophy. The club was very insistant that we entered our score cards despite being the only shooters in our class.
Post by: Don Batten on June 10, 2010, 07:43:00 PM
Question 2. Why would anyone who bowhunts, not shoot his hunting setup at a 3d shoot? That is if he is really there to practice for hunting season. That said, I am guilty myself of not shooting the bow I hunt with some times. I got a black widow marked 88@27 that I shoot at 3d on occasion just to make my 47lb hunting bow more managable come hunting season.
Joey, you are a baseball fan. It's kinda like swinging a heavy bat in the on deck circle. Go heavy in practice and lighter on stand. you with me?
But to give a reply to what I think the orriginal question was, I would not think twice about shooting a deer, bear, hog, cat, dog, coon or anything I run into in the woods, with any bow I shoot at a 3d gig. Don
Post by: Don Batten on June 10, 2010, 07:47:00 PM
Post by: dnovo on June 10, 2010, 07:47:00 PM
I enjoy the trad only shoots where we can have more fun and get some shooting in.
I am an average shooter and I do use my hunting equipment. Yes Joe, I have killed a deer with the bow I am shooting (and a bear or two, hog caribou, etc)
I shoot what I hunt with so that it is natural to me when I go in the woods.
I think that there are a lot of people coming to the trad ranks from the cable side and bringing the same attitude with them of having separate equipment for shooting targets versus hunting. To a lot of this crowd it is all about score and they will use the equipment to up the score.
Post by: lpcjon2 on June 10, 2010, 07:50:00 PM
Post by: John Dill on June 10, 2010, 08:20:00 PM
Not to stray from the subject above....but I really like seeing hunting equipment at shoots, but also dont mind the seperate classes for more target oriented stuff.
Some of the largest shoots in the country have none or little competitive tournaments. Some of the best run 3-D sanction shoots have small turnout but show with some of the best shooters in the country. Is the majority of trad shooters a non competitive group? The word non competitive is hard for me to type....it goes against everything I stand for. I like competition it makes us strive to be better. Also the friend we make on the way is the icing on the cake!
Post by: Sam McMichael on June 10, 2010, 08:26:00 PM
Personally, I don't really equate 3D shoots to any realistic hunting scenario, but it does make me think in terms of hunting. For example, a life-like target helps me to focus on picking a spot in relation to a specific animal's shape.
We are all very enthusiastic and feel that our own perspective is probably more correct than many others. Just remember that the others feel they have have the inside track on how this whole thing should be approached. The best part is that everybody is right. Go to the shoot and compete at whatever level floats your boat, and it makes no difference if you are competing against the Cadillac rig, or competing against yourself. Just look for the fun.
Actually, you can compete at both levels at the same time. No matter how hard you compete against the other guy and his equipment, you still must compete against yourself in order to maintain form, concentration and discipline for each shot.
In the final analysis, my view is that the most significant aspect of any 3D shoot has nothing to do with competition. Rather, it is the chance to interact with other trad shooters. It gives one a chance to meet a lot of really nice folks.
I apologize for being too verbose.
Post by: joebuck on June 10, 2010, 09:52:00 PM
i did not attend a 3-D shoot really from 1998-2008 except 1 and only 2 since then.......But Man I have noticed how it has changed
i think there is and going to be a growing market for "custom traditional 3-d bows"....heavy mass riser and long limb stuff. You'll probably see more oversea stuff from companies like WinWin and also your Custom bowyer here offer some new models....Quite frankly we probably will own more bows!
The traditional only shoots sprang up in the mid 80's for the need for Traditional bowhunters to meet somewhere and have their own shoot and not wait on the compound guys. It was an exciting and fun time to be in it. It's probably staggering the % of traditional bowhunters that go to Trad shoots versus compound hunters that go to compound shoots.....There are various reason for compound participation downfall but i hope we don't fall into that............so with all that being said.............I have started sanding down my 72" 35# longbow form...the Smokin Joe Signature........I'm hitting the 3-D trail with my 3-D bow next year....first stop...the State of NC...i hear that is where the competition is..........And i ain't shooting for FUN
Post by: Sarah on June 10, 2010, 10:25:00 PM
I must confess that I haven't shot my bow in a year (because I've been abroad - looking forward to getting my hands on it again in a few weeks)...but all of this time I have still thought of myself as a traditional bowhunter because for me it is a mindset. It is about relying on myself and my ability, focus, and skills, not about technology or competition. I want to be the best that I can be so that I can hunt humanely and have a great time.
I hope I'm not too off-topic on this one...I get a little nostalgic remembering my first 3D shoots! I have learned so much from meeting different people (with different shooting styles) at those events!
Post by: Raging Water on June 10, 2010, 11:24:00 PM
"Are U a Tradbowhunter or Tradarcher?" The thread that would never Die!
Post by: Mr.Chuck on June 11, 2010, 12:26:00 AM
Post by: Jerry Jeffer on June 11, 2010, 01:39:00 AM
Post by: Edge on June 11, 2010, 02:16:00 AM
While I find the rest of this thread perfectly on the up-and-up,I feel compelled to inform you that the quantification of "gazillion" is most widely accepted as a *fluid* measurement,not one of monetary assignment.
And yeah,the above should be taken with the SAME grain of salt.....
Heres my take.
Hunters would be far better off bringing their hunting rigs to a 3D course,to enhance familiarity with their rig when it matters(on game).Those who dont hunt can win with their whiz-bang 3000's;while they spend their weekends polishing trophys and eating sushi;I'll be providing grilled backstraps for my family and friends.
Anyone who wins at 3D with their whiz bangs in the summer and consequently gutshoots their quarry with their hunting rigs in the fall,should really take up needlepoint.
Edge
Post by: SteveB on June 11, 2010, 07:00:00 AM
Post by: James Wrenn on June 11, 2010, 07:35:00 AM
I am a firm believer in shoot what you got.Outside of using sights I can't see having all the rules myself.Do it that way and if someone thinks Joe-blow is whipping them because of his bow or rest all they have to do is go get one just like his.
You see all kinds of different rules everywhere you go.Some don't want you to use carbon arrows.Some tell you how much center shot your bow can have ect.The list goes on and on depending what the good old boys in charge things gives them an edge. :)
After setting the range at our club the last few years and hearing all the suggestions and complaints I have come to see that the ones that complain the most are the ones that don't turn in score cards anyway.Most can't shoot and are not going to be competitive no matter what rules you set.Another thing I have noticed is that when one of those shooters starts getting better and learning to shoot they quit all the complaining.They finally realize at our typical distances we shoot the man is doing the shooting,not the bow. :biglaugh:
Post by: Diamond Paul on June 11, 2010, 08:12:00 AM
Post by: Rookie@51 on June 11, 2010, 08:27:00 AM
Post by: KEG on June 11, 2010, 01:23:00 PM
I personally use my hunting setup or a lighter bow to work on form. I am a little above average shooter and do not turn in my scores. I go to these shoots to have fun and have camaraderie with friends and fellow archers.
As long as these shoots have winners, competitors will do whatever they can within the rules to win. You just need to decide why you are going and what you are trying accomplish.
Post by: Bosco on June 11, 2010, 01:38:00 PM
"Tech guys" arent welcome at my campfire.
Post by: McDave on June 11, 2010, 02:15:00 PM
Post by: Guru on June 11, 2010, 04:26:00 PM
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Originally posted by James Wrenn:Whole lotta truth right there!
The guys that usually win any 3d around here can do it with any bow you put in there hand.Can hunt and kill deer with anything as well. :)
Post by: Dusty Nethery on June 11, 2010, 05:42:00 PM
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Originally posted by Bosco:Or the definition of "elitist".
There is no "in between" for me. Either you enjoy the challenge created by limiting yourself, or you can put a Nikon 3x9 on your shelf and shoot 80 yards at running animals. Being traditional is serious business, and every part of it demands sacrifice, respect, and willingness to level the playing field for all included.
"Tech guys" arent welcome at my campfire.
I'll wager its a lonely campfire.
Post by: sunny hill archer on June 11, 2010, 10:20:00 PM
Post by: Keith Karr on June 11, 2010, 10:50:00 PM
Several folks have said it right - The guys winning the shoots with so called "target bows" will beat you with any bow and kill some critters to boot.
I've had several people say some very rude things about me using a release...You might as well shoot a compound, why don't you shoot two fingers, you don't hunt with that thing do you, and on and on. Still hasn't kept me from going.
I used to be very competive but, now go to the shoots for some good pratice and to enjoy spending time with friends and meeting new folks.
Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on June 11, 2010, 11:38:00 PM
Rude people just look for reasons to be rude. I once had a guy give me a verbal lashing on a 3D course, complaining that I held my longbow like a "recurve shooter," whatever the heck that was supposed to mean.
Post by: Keith Karr on June 11, 2010, 11:51:00 PM
I have tried to be nice, even helped some of them look for their arrows in the leaves.
Post by: Ben Maher on June 11, 2010, 11:53:00 PM
Archery is a test of skill and is meant to be fun . When Doug Chase hunts with a metal handle recurve is he suddenly not "Trad" enough for everyone ? Ditto Rod Jenkins or Jason Westbrock ...
A good shot is a good shot regardless of equipment . The few times i actually go to shoots, my Hill style bows and wood arrows happily compete with their more modern designs ... if i lose [ which i do ! ] its because i didn't shoot as well as the other guy. Nothing more nothing less, regardless of poundage, bow materials or aiming systems. I'm just happy that people are turning up to shoot arrows at all rather than playing XBox
Post by: Bowferd on June 12, 2010, 12:06:00 AM
Appoligy to all who had to read that earlier post.
Stuck my foot in my mouth and it didn't taste good.
I think a lot of us are both tradarchers and tradhunters. That's my take on it.
Fred
Post by: Raging Water on June 14, 2010, 11:58:00 PM
Post by: joebuck on June 16, 2010, 04:59:00 PM
Do we go to Traditional 3-D shoots to be around Traditional Bowhunters? or Traditional Tackle? or Both?
I took a quick survey of my 20 closet Traditional Bowhunter friends....only 10% will attend a Traditional 3-d shoot this year.
10 years ago..95% of attended a Traditional shoot a year.
?
Post by: DesertDude on June 16, 2010, 05:20:00 PM
Are you still trying to beat this dead horse...
Post by: joebuck on June 16, 2010, 05:54:00 PM
Post by: Don Batten on June 16, 2010, 05:59:00 PM
Joey, you need to go down to that all you can eat crawdad joint. I think these guys have had enough. However if the 300th post gets a hawg hunt , then I'm in with bells on. Later Don
Post by: joebuck on June 16, 2010, 06:15:00 PM
I got more hogs than Marty! he won't come to my place. "all i can do is put him on 'em."
Post by: Reggie Catfish on June 16, 2010, 06:22:00 PM
I say go next year and have fun- just manage the expectations.
Post by: joebuck on June 16, 2010, 06:28:00 PM
Post by: eric-thor on June 16, 2010, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: Brock on June 16, 2010, 07:13:00 PM
I could care less about trophies or winning or impressing someone...
I consider myself a traditional bowhunter...I shoot the same bow, arrows, weight points, string, tab, etc...that i do in the woods. No difference between other than broadhead vs fieldpoint.