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My son is 16 years old, and plays four baseball seasons a year here in East Tennessee. They start the school ball season games in late February, then play summer ball, tournaments and then a fall ball season into late October. He's baseball crazy, and would play in the snow I believe. Him and all of his teamates wear Under Armour, the cold gear and the heat gear. I understand the science of it, moisture wicking in the winter and summer, but I find it hard to believe that wearing two t-shirts when it's 90 degrees is cooler than wearing one. They wear this stuff under their uniforms. Any of you guys use this stuff in the summer under camo? Better to buy it camo than use it in two layers? Does this stuff work, it's pretty expensive, I know because I've been buying it for about six or seven years now. I can just buy a t-shirt for 25 bucks and try this stuff out but would like some opinions from some who have used it.
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YES!!!!!
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Absolutely love the stuff.I was a sceptic but after trying it I'm sold on it.
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Well, if he can wear two layers and play ball in 90 degree weather and not pass out I think that's saying something. My question, though, how many layers would it take to be comfortable in, say 40 or 50 degree weather? In terms of string clearance, the less layers the better (an your arm, anyway).
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Started using the stuff in early season elk hunts a few years back. Now use it from August to January, coldgear or hot both work very well, I tried some of the bass pro endura skin for the winter last year and was very happy with it, a little cheaper price tag.
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I would not where poly unless it was cold out. Unless I wanted to stay dry "AND!!" was not exserting myself, if I was going to exert it would be cotton.
Thing with Poly, Underarmor is expensive polyester, is that it sucks the moisture off of your skin. Now that is good if it is cold out and you need to stay dry. Wet skin will cool you much faster than dry skin. Cold days with high humidity are the same as damp skin, it just feels raw and cold, dry days aren't as bad.
Now lets go outside in the heat. Ok, I'll be in cotton and you in U.Armor. Your warm and I'm warm, ok, and you start to perspire slightly, I also will be perspiring lightly, ok, all is even so far. Now this is were things get technical. My cotton absorbs this sweat, were talking small amounts here, and holds on to it and it sticks to my skin. This wet fabric next to my skin will keep my internal temp. cooler better, and more efficiently.
Reason for this is 1, wet skin is cooler than dry skin, {don't believe me, go put on a t-shirt and jump in and out of water}
Reason #2 is, Your body needs water to regulate temp. If you are constantly sucking and wicking the moisture off of your skin your body will use more water trying to keep you at a safe temp, but you keep wicking it away so it will try harder, as that is how the body cools, it sweats! Now you are actually warmer and dehydrating faster even though that poly is cool feeling. You will be going through a lot of water.
Look at people that live in deserts they wear cotton underneath a outer wool robe. The wool robe insulates the sun and keeps it from drying out the wet cotton underneath. If those guys wore poly they would be dead in about 2 days not the 5-8 that we would realize in milder temps.
Bottom line is. You are going to sweat, vapor is always coming off you. If you keep it there when it's hot you'll be cooler, if you get rid of it in the winter, you will be warmer. Even if you don't "feel" so, it will be so.
Have a good one.
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Yes it works and yes I like it. I especially liked it while sitting in a ground blind last year on a Montana antelope hunt in August.
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I reread his post and im not sure about how the stuff works in the summer time but as far as cold temps. i have not found anything that keeps me warmer.
I actually have to wait till i get to my stand before i put mine on because i would be sweating like a pig if i wore it in.
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Agree with the others. I works better than anything out there.
I used the heat gear today while working on cleaning up a deer trail and dragging tree tops for a new natural ground blind.
Cotton would have been soaked the whole time. I use not only the shirt, but HIGHLY suggest the boxer briefs. Don't laugh, they're sweet for keeping "the lower unit" as dry as possible. LOL
The boxers aren't cheap as far as undies go, but if you get 2 pair, you're set for any sweaty chores or hunting trip.
For cold weather, I use the cold gear next to the skin and woolpower long johns over that. I've worn both next to the skin and I like the cold gear better for keeping me basically bone dry on long walks out to the stand.
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i like it (not under armour's brand) in the heat of south georgia and middle alabama. i wear it as a single layer in the early deer season. Yes it wicks the sweat off of you to keep you dry, AND it is so much easier to dry than wet cotton. i drink lots of water to stay hydrated. :)
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I love the stuff but you need to know its limitations. If you sweat when its cold out and expose the shirt to the air, it'll take your breathe away.
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Never tried the Heat Gear, but I can assure you the Cold Gear works awesome :thumbsup:
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Wear a tshirt and then swap it for heat gear on a hot day. After just a few mins you will feel the difference as the fast wicking feels "cooler".
I'd rather wear living rattlesnakes than wear cotton on anything but a day hunt. It never dries, and chafes like the dickens.
On a backpack hunt, even in warmer climates cotton kills...
I was issued UA in the service, I bought more for hunting, and swear by it. For backpack hunts their 2.0 cold gear is hard to beat in terms of temp adaptability and comfort for days. I always buy it on sale, the military brown stuff is often on sale at cabelas. Camo is always expensive so I have none.
Goodluck...
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I don't even care about the warmth part, it is the absorption that I like. After sweating my bootay off and stripping down to nothing but long johns in 20 below temps and then freezing because of sweat I decided it was time for a change. Sweat is actually a major battle where I hunt, because when you hike up slopes that are so steep you can extend your hand and touch the ground you will sweat no matter what. I wear some of the medium temp as a base, then the extreme cold temp on top, because that is not as soft on my skin?! Then old fashioned long johns, then long sleve camo, then sweater then hoody, then jacket depending on how cold it is, my jacket is super thin. I survived this rifle season and it was by far the worst I have ever hunted, dad who is a billy goat was like nanuc from the north kinda like a marshmallow and i was sleek and slim and most importantly still able to shoot!
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Yes, it is great stuff! I wear the heat gear in summer & cold gear during elk hunts mostly. If the weather is fairly mild then I wear the heat gear during the hunts! It's the best wicking stuff I've used. There are off brands out there by Wilson that work darned good too, it's called compression gear at half the price!!
ElkNut1
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Smell some of that UA gear after you've worn it. Smelly stuff, thats because poly is designed to absorb oil! Stuff will only "absorb" less than 1/2 of 1% of it's weight of water and is considered hydrophobic {hates water} So as it is wicking all that precious sweat off you when it's hot, it is absorbing oil then when all that moisture is wicked away the oil is there and in the presence of HEAT. You just created a breeding ground for BACTERIA, not what I would want around my arm pits never mind the "lower Unit." Now just exagerated your scent. Sweat by itself does'nt stink its when bacteria grows that the odor is formed this happens in poly much faster than it does in cotton because when cotton drys so isn't the oil contained in the sweat where poly holds on to it.
You better be carrying LOTS of water on you during an expedition in the milder temps, nothing beats a wet t-shirt to cool you down when it's hot out. Its when the shirt dries out when you'll heat-up.
If it is going to cool down later in the sport then yeah cotton will chill you and UA would be better choice, if it aint going to cool down you will be better of with wet sweaty cotton. Just ask any of your local camel herder, Masai warrior, or English sheep herder who wears wool tweed over cotton
Excuse the long wind, as this cannot be summed up in one sentence especially if one does not understand metabolism and homeostasis.
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it works great! if walking in hot weather, a shirt and compression shorts are a must in s.c.
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It works for me, best stuff made. I wear something UA daily from underwear to hoodies.
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It doesn't "suck" the moisture off your skin, but only allows it to move away from your skin. It is evaporation that cools not having sweat laying on your skin.
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Warm gear yes - cold gear you better keep moving, if you sit it still it has virtually no warmth value - none for me anyway
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"cold gear you better keep moving"
Thats the first time i have ever heard anyone say that about this product.
I wore it 4 years in a row to canada and it always kept me warm.
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I tried the stuff a couple of times. Besides the fact that I can't stand wearing anything that tight to my skin, it just didn't do anything to keep me warm. Yes, I was wearing the cold gear.
It stunk after wearing it for just a short evening hunt, and I don't think I've ever been colder on a hunt with temps in the mid-30s.
Honestly, I have no use for any synthetic fabrics. I've never liked 'em, so I really don't know what possessed me to try UA.
I'll take my Ulfrottes any day over that stuff. Even in warm weather, good quality light wool does a great job regulating body temperature.
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True Charlie evap. cools, but with this stuff you will evap all your water/sweat away too fast. Your body will be yo-yo'ing all day trying to keep a constant core temp. Not good for your energy level, which be directly related to your hydration level. How can one experience evap. cooling with dry skin?
I stand firm on this, put a wet "cotton" t-shirt on, soak it till it sticks too you or wring it out, doesn't mater, you will be cool if not down right chilly. Wet and stuck to you is only bad if you allow it to heat up, and dry off, then your body will have to sweat more to achieve evap. cooling when your core temp starts to rise. Again needless wasted yo-yo'ing. You must insulate this sweat from the sun. Wool will do it but it must be breathable. It "will" stay damp for quite awile were as UA will dry out again and your core temp "is" going to rise. Wet skin, partially wet skin, or even just some vapor in the cotton that is touching you will keep your "CORE" temp lower thus you will survive longer with less water.
Good Day
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I tried it and found that to me, it had "cold" spots in different places, when using it in cold weather.
Never tried it in the warm temps.
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The stuff originated for just what it is called. A way to stay cooler while wearing body armor. I wore the stuff for years before I retired. For those other cops and military you know what I mean.
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I bought a set of the UA base layer last fall and took it to Texas for the Pig Gig. As you probably read we had quite a bit of colder weather with daytime temps in the low 40's with wind. I wore my new UA base layer, levi's, flannel shirt, filson vest, and some very heavy insulated coveralls on top. I was sitting on a stand and literally froze. The UA wicked the moisture away causing a cooling effect. I was miserable enough that I knew I would not be wearing it again on a cold windy day.
The next day was about the same as far as temps and wind. I wore the same clothes as before except I wore some very light long johns instead of the UA as the base layer. I sat the same stand all day in complete comfort. I believe the UA is better suited for walking as opposed to stand hunting.
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I have tried all kinds of base layer clothing, except wool, including brands/materials such as Capilene (North Face), Thermax, bamboo, polypropylene, etc. I plan on trying a wool base layer next.
For me personally, I like a lighter base layer with wool or fleece over that. If I am exerting myself, and get back to camp or my truck, the heavier UA does not dry out nearly as fast as lighter UA or lighter layer of other material. This is true of just sitting under a tree or in a tree stand as well. Once it gets wet with sweat lighter seems to dry out faster. The outer layers are adjusted lighter or heavier for controlling heat.
Everything will stink eventually if you sweat in it. Good hygiene and a good deodorant will help the clothing "last a little longer" between washes.
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I have worn heat gear for a week plus without excessive stink or any issues of needing extra hydration.
I wore it in the service and it is as comparable to cotton as leather is to rubber when used as designed.
Heat gear in cold weather equates to using the right gear wrong.
UA helped usher in the new slimmer, more athletic fitting garments for hunting. For that alone I am a big fan.
Hiking with a 60lb pack for eight miles in 90deg weather will make that your last trip if you wear cotton, guaranteed.
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I'm with rraming, I'm not big on the cold gear unless I'm playing softball or something pretty active.
As far as the heat gear, I can't say enough good about it. I wore it last night for a 5 hour building search with a 20 pound SWAT raid vest and long sleeve BDU shirt on....it just seems to keep me feeling cool.
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I've tried it and don't care for it. I like Ulfrotte much better. It's warm in cold weather, and since it is good wool, it is easy to care for. Does not obsorb odor. I wore mine every day for a week on a hunting trip last fall. Each night, I would let it hang outside. I never noticed any odor, even in the armpits. Try that with under armor, and the smell would knock a buzzard off of a gut pile!
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I am on the yes side. Though as said before you have to know its limitations. I have cold gear and heat gear and lots of other gear too. There are other things that I wear at other certian time as well though. such as wool thermals when it is really cold.
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Just thought I'd add my .2 cents :saywhat: I've used both hot and cold gear and here in Ky I think the hot gear works great, but the cold gear nearly froze my.... well you know, off. :biglaugh:
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In the early doe only season here in the first part of September I wear a short sleeve Heat Gear shirt. I just wear that for a top when walking into the stand and climbing up in the climber. I'm usually pretty sweaty by the time I'm settled in the tree, but the shirt really works well to wick away the moisture. I then put on a very light Scent Lok outer layer. I know there are lots of nay sayers here for Scent Lok, but when I take that jacket off after walking out of the woods when I know I have sweated profusely in 80 degree temps, the Under Armor shirt has no smell. In the fall and winter I wear the Cold Gear top and bottoms and have had great results with it. It wicks away the moisture and leaves you dry which is a huge plus after you have been on stand for 2-3 hours after walking in and sweating badly getting up the tree.
As for price, I don't normally buy the camo stuff as it I wear a layer over it and the green or khaki is cheaper. I also buy it at an Under Armor outlet that is close by and pay about half of what it normally sells for retail.
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never used the cold gear.
i love the heat gear though. when October 15th rolls around in lower AL, it is HOT! i wear a long sleeve heat gear top, and it wicks sweat and has the added bonus of keeping skeeters at bay pretty well. i wear it under my ASAT leafy suit and i'm good to go. i wash it after every hunt, so i've never noticed it having any smell.
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I have several sets of the knock off heat gear top and use the long sleeve version here in KY first of bow season, usually in the 90's! I have had great succcess, usually wash or change every day, use this in tandem with other scent control, wind knowledge, etc. I noticed I seem to get busted a lot less wearing this than when using cotton garments. Just my 2 cents worth.
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I have an answer to your question. I just ask that you open your mind and close your... preconception...
Take a jump in the water during a heat wave, when the sun drys you you are warm/hot again, of course you are, now put on some cotton and jump in the water, will you stay cooler longer? of course you will, your wet.
This will be good when you are exerting. Being in shape and tough is great and all... But, if your going to be in "it" for a while, and, you ran out of water 10 hours ago you'll appreciate the "ENDURANCE BOOST" soaking wet clothing will provide you. You will not over heat as fast as when you are dry.
When you stop sweating you will be dehydrating. Does not matter how tough you "think" you are.
Because your "not" sweating profusely does not mean your "CORE TEMP" is lower!! It means you are dehydrating and are too strong to relize it!
Yeah one might be in good shape and can carry heavy things, long distances, in hot weather, while wearing polyester {ie.recycled plastic} I hope and pray that you do not encounter explosives and/or fire, as your wicking layer will become a "sticking" layer!!! as in, it will melt "in" to you and hurt like crazy.
You "want" to sweat to a soaking! that wetness will cool you much better and is the reason your body did it in the first place why would you want to dry it off!!!
Mess with nature and you lose!! She was here long before any of us got here, and will be here long after they bury us, hopefully not in a polyester suit that would really stink.
Stay cool, get wet.
Swampthing.
Mud and Loin Cloths Only!!!!!!!!
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+1 here. I love the stuff. I played soccer in it year round and I havent seen anything else like it. I use it for both hunting and striper fishing in the winter as it is not bulky. I can wear it under a wool shirt and a windbreaker and it keeps me very warm without impairing movement. I have not used the heat gear in a few years but when I played during August it was a lifesaver.
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Never used the heat gear, I like cotten for summer time use. As far as cold weather goes,nothing beats silk underwear with a layer of wool over it for stand hunting. I use under armor for small game hunting with dogs only because you are on the move all day and it does keep you pretty dry.
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Swampthing. I suggest you check out any article that discusses the process of sweating and what clothing to wear. When you sweat, the only way you cool down is through evaporation of water from your skin. But if the air is holding too much water already, the sweat stays on your skin and you get little to no relief from the heat. Cotton holds the sweat and prevents the moisture from evaporating and will not cool you as fast as a moisture wicking fabric that pulls the moisture from your skin and evaporates faster.
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I just started wearing it a few years ago. I'm old school and a sceptic(still don't believe in scent loc) but hot and cold gear both work for me.
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Stinger most of thoe people that write those articals either work for the company or are paid off by the company, don't see much science in there claims, lot of hypnosis but no real science. Although they do say it helps with chaffing. Besides it's imported. Do you trust where it comes from? I Don't.
The problem is you are not stopping the heat from penetrating your garments.
Keep the Sun rays from hitting you, that is what will overheat you, find an insulating clothing that will keep the rays from heating your skin, sorry guys poly is not a great insulator, they call it Under Armour for a reason.
Breatheability to vent off heat is paramount but it must also insulate you from the heat. Much like a cooler in the sun you put ice in there it stays cold, you put a temperate body inside sun insulating clothing "and" allow it to breathe you'll stay cooler, longer, with less water useage than trying to keep an evaporative cooling action going.
Ya Under Armour "works," works ya two ways, first you pay for it, than to pay to keep it going...
Not telling you what to do but I would look elsewhere for clothing to use on an adventure they could span more than a few hours in the heat.
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all i know is that when bow season starts here, it's mid 80's to 90's, and the humidity is still about 90%. i could be sopping wet in a cotton t-shirt, and i would be neither cool nor dry.
heck, most days it's so humid here, if you spit on the ground, it starts raining! ;)
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I have spent 20 plus years as a carpenter, and ifyou expect to get paid, you work in all conditions you are able to. After a few years of feeling like a baboon (they make "Monkey Butt" powder for a reason), I switched over to the Bass Pro version of UA underwear, and have never thought about going back to cotton skivies again. I have never tried the UA brand, but after reading some of the responses, I wouldn't mind dropping the $ if it works like so many say.
Yes, cotton has a place, but not on a hot and humid sweat filled day.
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I stopped by Hibbets sports today and bought a UA grey tech t-shirt, 25 bucks plus tax. I'm going to ATAR in WV on Friday, supposed to be a little cooler by then, only 90 degrees. Now I've got to figure out if I'm going to wear it by itself or under a white t-shirt.
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Dunno if it works or not, don't own any...but it IS a FANTASTIC example of marketing. Great way to take old technology (Polypro has been in clothing/underwear for at least 20 years) and repackage it for targeted market segments. Put those tight clothes on a nice looking woman or a strapping guy showing off his abs in the Cabela's catalog and it will sell.
I'm glad somebody likes the "athletic" cut of the clothes - everybody I know that wears the UA would be doing EVERYONE a favor NOT to wear the "athletic" cut, if you know what I mean. Personally I couldn't imagine wearing something cut like that - I would feel and look like a big ol' pork loin wrapped in Saran wrap!
To each his own....just be careful with that stuff around campfires. If you doubt me put a hotdog in a ziplock bag and set it on fire. Now imagine YOU are that hotdog when you are wearing polypro that catches a spark from your campfire.
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LOL....That's why I got the tech style t-shirt, it's loose fit, no compression tight fit for me.
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They said it a bunch.If your moving it's fine if you plan on sitting in a tree or ground blind your going to freeze. I wear it skiing or snow shoeing but sitting still - buy wool.
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I use under armour as a base layer; and use the hot weather stuff year round. I really like the ability to cover tuff terrain and not overheat in the netherlands.
I hunt in an area that can get hot( I think the record for the year is 100 degrees- but 95 can kick your butt). And I am walking all the time when spot and stalking; and the two- the low humidity here and the hot temperatures might change the results from others experiences.
I wear wool over the under armour; and goretex over that when I am just going to be sitting in a blind.
Yes; you feel cold; but its just an illusion - your not really cold; just not feeling warm.
Nothing beats wool completely - but wool 'underwear'... do they make it?
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I love the cold weather gear, it is a great base layer, but that is all it is. I have worn it elk hunting, late season here in michigan for deer and coyotes which we hunt throughout the winter and last winter wore them in canada wolf hunting at 42* below zero and they do what they are designed to do. I have also wore polypropelene for years after my marine brother turned me on to it for cold weather. The stuff does what it is supposed to do and yes its quite flamable but have found that when I wear it it is under about 2 or three other layers and not exposed most of the time. AS was said earlier if you were it and then strip layers it will flash cool you as the moisture cools. At 42 below it will frost up as your getting undressed at the truck. In my opinion I love it, it is light, as a base layer works great but it is a bit pricey as far as clothing goes but like most clothing it is not supermans cape it is a tool, not magic.Don
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I'm going to try it. Visited my dad this past weekend and he was wearing the long sleave. I looked at him like he was crazy, and asked if he was hot? He said he has been wearing the this whole time the weather was been in the 90's Said it keeps him cool and comfy. This is a 77 year old man telling me this. I'm going out this weekend and getting a couple pair.
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DWT,
Good news brother.... we found "Superman's Cape", several years ago..... It is as jonsimoneau said in his post. Ullfrotte' wool long johns ! I tried the military polypro for years cause we could get it cheap around here due to the factory being right down the road. Was it okay, heck yeah especially for the $$$. We could buy a top and bottom for $20 years ago. However, it would give you a chill every now and then and just does not breathe as well as wool. Did I mention the smell !!!
jonsimoneau is correct about the odor control of wool. Don't believe me, wear a pair of good 80-100% merino wool boot socks for 3 days and smell them... Then try that with some man made recycled plastic ! The confrot range of wool is superior. When we walk out at noon and the temp has went from 15 degrees to 50 the wool just does not sweat you up like polypro. JMHO
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woolpower-ostersund- ck it out
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Just ran a few miles in a cotton t-shirt, shorts too, ya I was wet, but I wasn't hot. That nice wetness keeping me cool.
Don't forget to put a breathable wool insulating layer over your thin cotton in the heat. Thats the part all of my critics convienently leave out when they explain how miserable they were in cotton, YOU MUST INSULATE YOURSELF FROM THE HEAT!!!
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Well, it's like bows - some won't shoot anything but a recurve and others won't shoot anything but a longbow. To each his own. All I can say is there is a reason that most of the pro Football teams and the US Military now issue Under Armor Heat Gear to their people. I would rather be dry and comfortable than wet and chaffing. ....but, the comment about getting it near a fire is on the money - you don't want to do that.
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IMO Yes very well I've got the cold gear compression fit and have been very happy with it early and mid season. Late in December here in MI, it is my base layer then a layer of merino wool with my Day One fleece bibs and bowhunter coat overtop been in some real cold stuff with that and no problems.
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One thing I will say about wet cotton is it will cause blistering and chaffing fast. If you have a wet cotton shirt (or under shorts) and they get wet and there's a lot of movement you are likely to be rubbed raw. That's why you don't wear cotton socks while hiking. Everything has it's pros and cons. I have remington brand version of the shirts I got on clearance just to try and I can wear the long sleeve mock turtle during opening of bowseason and be comfortable, I can't say that about cotton. For serious outdoor use cotton isn't your best option. Synthetic or wool according to your preference or need.
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For cold weather, it is hard to beat silk under wool longjohns. Neither one holds odor.
Cotton is a stink factory. Iowa summers are hot and humid. I wear cotton tee shirts because I have tons of them, but not because they keep me cool or odor free. If I wear one all day outside, frankly, I stink! I don't think it's just me either. When the humidity is in the 90s, cotton is NOT cool either. My shirts are soaked and stay that way. Nothing evaporates, so nothing cools. I haven't tried the UA stuff, but it is tempting. I do have a couple of poly fishing shirts that offer sun protection and wick moisture. I can wear them all day and they never stink. If that is an indication, then poly would probably work. I wouldn't want to see me in one of those skin tight things though :nono:
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I played tennis for 2.5 hours last week in one of the wicking synthetic shirts - stayed dry, comfortable and didn't overheat despite near record breaking heat and humidity.
Played tennis today for 2.5 hours in a cotton T. I was thoroughly soaked and hotter than H$*@, despite it being 10 degrees cooler and not as humid as last week. Cotton holds onto the moisture and prevents evaporation (and its cooling effect).
I bought two of the knock-off cold weather compression shirts last year to try out. They seemed to work great as a base layer.
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I swear by UA and the cheap-o version from Target. The Walmart version does seem to get an odor. I wear UA under a kevlar vest daily and will tell you that I cringe when there are only cotton Ts left in the drawer at the end of the week. For military/LE aplications UA is overwhelmingly accepted as effective, regardless of the science of heating/cooling. For hunting use there does seem to be a few more who arent as sold on its effectiveness.
That being said, when I used to participate in Civil War re-enactments I was always amazed at how well a wet cotton undershirt worn under a heavy wool coat,actually kept you considering that you were also wearing wool trousers. That same cotton under shirt worn under the wool killed ya when it was cold out though.
For hunting, UA and layers of wool have worked very well for me. The colder- the more layers of wool. I like old school stuff, but for my base I am sold on the performance of UA, I just hate the price and the hype of it.
Also I have had the opposite experience regarding odor. Only the off brand UA have ever stunk up quickly for me. I can usually wear UA far longer than cotton before it begins to stink. Wool definitely does not seem to smell from body odor but will hold the smell of a campfire for quite awhile.
I think it is the X-static line of under garments that really seems to do well in the odor category. I wear it as a base layer during early season hike in hunts. Our bike patrol shirts are made of it as well and I could easily work two hot shifts without really needing to wash it.