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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Zradix on July 07, 2010, 12:37:00 AM
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Hello everyone,
Thinking about getting some LEFT bevel grizzly 160's. Wondering what your thoughts are on the pros and cons of the regular style and the EL grande.
DO the Left bevel 160's all have the new construction ( no "step" in the blade )??
I'm leaning towards the regular head.
I figure it must be a little thicker since it has less surface area. I'm thinking it might be a stronger head because of it. Also I'm shooting a 45# bow and I figure a little less cut dia might be a good idea.
I'm only going to be shooting at whitetail and smaller game.
Probably just splitting hairs here but why not...it's the off season.
Thanks all!! :thumbsup:
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I don't shoot Grizzly broadheads because the old heads were a pain to sharpen, but they have caught my eye on many occasions. But, if I were going to shoot a 160 grain Grizzly, I'd choose the El Grande over the regular head because of it's width.
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Zradix,
I am not an expert on Grizzly BH's although I do hunt with the 200 gr El Grandes, exclusively. I have been told buy several people, including Ron Swartz at KME, that the metal used in the El Grandes is harder and stronger. That is the reason I use them vs the regular ones. The new version El Grandes are a bit easier to sharpen than the old, BTW.
Brett
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The new left bevel standard Grizzlys have the new design w/o the step in the blade plus the new 25 deg grind. All of the new design Grizzlys are a great improvement over the old ones. The ferrules are round and true, the taper is 5 deg and the edge grind is very good.
Zradix, you should be able to use either, but the standard size is definitely a heavier steel. I have a six pk of the new that I can make you a deal on.
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Thanks Fletcher..p/m sent
Those were just the answers I was looking for.
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Originally posted by Fletcher:
The new left bevel standard Grizzlys have the new design w/o the step in the blade plus the new 25 deg grind. All of the new design Grizzlys are a great improvement over the old ones. The ferrules are round and true, the taper is 5 deg and the edge grind is very good.
X2. :archer2:
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Would not worry as far as any grizzly broadhead goes I have used them for 12-15yrs now, old version new version, grande or not the best broadhead on earth just got better, to steel a line from snapple.
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I agree with Night Wing. Ken
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The new EGs are great! H
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I'll throw something in a lot of fellows I talk to don't notice. Despite it's eye popping size the cutting width on the El Grande only exceeds the standard by a measly 1/16" of an inch. The El Grande does however come in a heavier weight if you want it and has a slightly better angle of attack.
As you might imagine, the 160 standard is considerably thicker than the 160 El Grande.
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Thank you everyone.
Looks like when I'm in the market fpr a 160 grain head I'll be looking for the regular style "new" design.
:thumbsup:
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Is it true that a thicker single-bevel is actually better because it provides more leverage for the broadhead to rotate while in the animal?
Maybe I dreamed that.
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kahunter, your not dreaming that's correct. A thicker blade will generate more rotation than a thinner one if all other factors are equal. It's probably a toss up between the two 160 Grizzlies since the El Grande has a longer cutting surface than the thicker standard.
For the same reason, out of our many Tuskers we only offer the Concordes in single bevel because the thicker .050 blades are more conducive to reaping the benefits of the single bevel. The other Tuskers I also single bevel (my own heads) since I prefer to, but it's clear the thinner Tuskers do not generate as much rotation as the thicker Concordes, although they do still rotate.
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Just when I get all my old style Grizzly 160's razor sharp they come out with a "new improved" model. Never had any problems with the old ones and will stick with them. Fly like field points, kill like the wrath of God. Frank
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Nothing wrong with the Old Grizzly's!
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Hey guys..
I wasn't trying to :thumbsup:
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Need help been trying to sharpen some older 160 grain grizzly broadheads ,I can get other broadheads sharp enough to shave my beard with, I can get the grizzlys sharp enough to shave hair with but not as sharp as i like ,is it the steel in the grizzly or me? JUST how sharp do these need heads realy need to be..want to use them on elk if not i will try the new steel force single 225 grain bevel..really don't want to spend the money need to make grizzlys work...Dave
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Originally posted by arky714:
Need help ... JUST how sharp do these need heads really need to be.?
How sharp?? That opens a can of opinions. Hairpopping vs serrated etc..
A KME kit should help.
If you can sharpen other single bevs you can sharpen a grizz head. The steel might be a little harder on the grizz. Just keep at it. Remember not to put too much pressure on em when getting to the final edge. Just work till you get a small fine burr then flip and lightly take it off.
I'm sorry if these words don't help much.
Try the search function here or an advanced google search on just tradgang.com.
Lots of sharpening threads floating around here.
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I can't imagine either 160 Grizzly having any strength issues.Both should also fly well.My 190 and 200 El Grandes often fly better than my field points.I don't know why that is but it is visible.
If you mount them so they spin perfectly and the arrow is tuned to your bow,they will fly as well as any point.With a simple homemade or store bought spinning jig,they can be mounted with the point perfectly centered.Form,this has made a huge difference over just spinning and eyeballing them as I did in years past.
It was a little bit of a learning curve getting the grizzlies sharp but I'm getting the hang of it now.The video posted earlier should help with that.I like mine to be a very honed and polished edge.It is like sharpening any other blade in that you just keep honing until you have developed a burr,full length of the edge,then remove the burr.
The trick is to stay with the coarsest stone or file until that edge is developed,full length.The grizzly is a tough broadhead that will hold an edge well.It is worth taking the time to figure out how to get them super sharp.There is plenty of help available on this site to help you get there.