Trad Gang
Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: 8888blk on August 31, 2010, 09:01:00 PM
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How many others just cringe :mad: when they hear some wheelie toting t.v. celebrity hunter say "on this weeks episode we're gettin' primative huntin' with the ole' stick-n-string" while holding the newest arrow launching, fiber optic, drop away, device. :knothead: Same guy next episode: "could'nt get it done with my bow, good thing i've got my trusty ole' smoke pole" while shooting a modern scoped muzzle loader. :banghead: I enjoy and use alot of modern technology, but I don't try to B.S. people into believing i'm doing something the hard way. :nono: Sometimes you just gotta laugh! :D
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I'm with you!Then again, I dont consider my carbon and foam limbed bows with laminated exotic wood riser and skinny d97 a stick and string.To me a stick and string should be just that A STICK and A STRING, in other words a SELFBOW.
Bill
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i am right there with you man.i am all for the right to use that stuff,but it is what it is.i shoot a black widow longbow.it's a modern r\\d longbow.it may be called traditional,but i sure wouldn't call it a primitive bow.if we all went primitive we would be hunting with rocks.primitive to me now means a selfbow and arrows with stone heads.thats about as primitive as it gets in this day and age.good luck this season,steve
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I'm with ya. Tired of seeing the little women shooting an animal and then seeing it run off with more than half the arrow sticking out the entrance side. Then next thing their showing a bloodied arrow calling it a complete pass through. Yeah right push through, pull through, maybe. But pass through..... Don't make me laugh.
Wish Hooters would start sponsoring some of those shows. Then maybe I wouldn't get sick of all the camera shots they do just to advertise sponsors so they can collect their paychecks.
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ya gotta stop watchin all those marketting shows... they'll rot your brain! They're worse than infomercials... (wait- they are infomercial). Basically, you see the host out on XYZ ranch with the crew from ABC hunting products.... The hunt is an infomercial showcasing the products for the sponsor who paid the host, the show, and paid for the high dollar hunt...
Not to knock the hunters.... They just are trying to make an honest dollar, but they hunt where and how they are paid to hunt!!! I can't knock a waitress at Hooters for using her attributes and personality to make a decent living delivering fried chicken and beer... Can you knock a hunter for making a living hunting by pushing product? I can't!
But it is like watching Road runner VS Wile E. Coyote... you already know whats is going to happen... why torture yourself? :knothead:
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ya i heard ol stan potts say it and laughed my self to puke.and its no worse than seeing an archery catalog and its 90 percent compounds and crossbows....
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I see I'm missing nothing by not having a television.
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If you watch it with the expectation that it is just a show where someone is doing what they consider to be "the hard way" it is good clean fun.
I found it very liberating to just keep my ideas on how it "should be done" only to how I hunt.
Since then I can share pig camp with hardcore riflemen and ge pumped for them after making a 300yd shot on the same afternoon I got winded at 40yds and never drew back.
My way is just that, my way.
Happy hunting guys, however you see fit is fine by me.
Please take no offense as none was meant, I just know I was able to shed that same lil bit of angst about the same stuff here recently and life is better.
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Nothing against the compound, I used to shoot one myself, but I refuse to even call it a bow never mind a stick and string. By the way I currently shoot high tech traditional(Black Widow and gold tip carbons)
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Like you mentioned, you just laugh. Some people like being idiots.
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That's not as bad as when they say, "We hunted hard the whole time we where here", "It was a good hit" (as You watch the arrow enter the chest head on), "I had to take the shoot" and the real pisser... How they don't show any respect for the game they hunted (shot).
Most of the shows, It was the guides that did all the ground work and the TV hunters just come and sit in a blind or in a tree.
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I go the other route, I'm educating my nephew on hunting. I use "those" shows as a what not to do, what not to use etc. I've told him a thousand times their is NOTHING worse then a TV educated hunter. peroid.
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I'm with yal on this one.I hate the way they act like there hunting hard and then when they make the shot they pan the camera out and you see about 20 deer running off.Hard hunting bologna.I say we put them all on some public land .Then we will see.
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Little women? Hooters?
Forgive me, I forgot my place.
killdeer
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No you didn't!
As for hunting shows, just turn off the TV. Those shows exist for one reason, and it ain't to promote hunting.
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caught the last minutes of a show called red arrow last night. they were in the process of taping the jaws together when i turn it on. then they were debating on wether or not an arrow traveling over 320fps would penetrate the back armor of a gator. to my horror he walked up to a tied and taped gator and shot it in the back of the skull. to me, it was not hunting, it was slaughtering and not fit for tv much less a "hunting show".
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Not even on my radar for things that matter.
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I agree with everything you fellas are saying but those shows are still better than 95% of the junk on television. At least we get to see deer.
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Originally posted by zipper bowss:
I'm with you!Then again, I dont consider my carbon and foam limbed bows with laminated exotic wood riser and skinny d97 a stick and string.To me a stick and string should be just that A STICK and A STRING, in other words a SELFBOW.
Bill
Yeah, but laminated glass-carbon-foam-stress-relieved stick and technologically-advanced twisted stretch-free string kinda doesn't roll off the tongue too well! :cool:
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Originally posted by Slasher:
Not to knock the hunters.... They just are trying to make an honest dollar, but they hunt where and how they are paid to hunt!!!
I'm just mad because nobody pays me to hunt!
:mad: :laughing:
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I don't watch tv...don't go to hooters and always thought little women was about petite
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I like to make my own hunting shows. Make them how you like them and there is no disappointment. If that is the way they want to hunt, it is fine with me. I don't hunt trad because it is the only "pure" way. I hunt it 'cause I like it. That is the only reason. Almost all of my friends hunt with compounds, and they are my FRIENDS. Their choice, just so happens my choice is different.
I agree with you about the primitave comment. If it is primitave, it is a selfbow, cane or other arrows, and flint tips. Personally to call it primitave, I feel like I have to make it myself, even though the indians traded and such, I want to make it all myself to call it primitave. Just my $.02.
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In the immortal words of John Fogerty "I know it's true, oh so true, 'cause I saw it on TV."
Killy, I thought of you as I was helping a friend launch a handcrafted freighter canoe and two killdeer fly across the creek and land on the shore. I think I was missing some hunting show while I was doing that. Dangit!
"Little Women" is a classic novel.
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All I can say to that is read my signature line below.
As for "pure" or "traditional" my stance is that not a single one of us fits the description, unless of course you get to your hunting ground on foot or horseback, wearing buck skins you made yourself and a bow and arrow you made yourself too... Shoes, game cameras, gps, vehicles, etc. are all varying degrees of what one might describe as "modern".
As for the t.v. all I can say is: what the heck do you guys expect from the "opiate of the masses?" Shut it off and go shoot some arrows. That garbage will rot your brain and squash your creativity while robbing you of the precious little time we have on this planet.
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Originally posted by Slasher:
I can't knock a waitress at Hooters for using her attributes and personality to make a decent living delivering fried chicken and beer... Can you knock a hunter for making a living hunting by pushing product? I can't!
I apologize if anyone took my comment about a waitress at Hooters as derrogetory... I am not judging anyone...
I don't go to hooters but the point was that folks make their choices... I for one don't watch much TV and especially don't watch any outdoor shows or get any of the outdoor channels...
Why because I don't want my children to have that influence... I try to educate my children in a way that they learn to think their way through challenges, not emulate folks who are paid to sell them more stuff...
Killy, I apologize!!!
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My offense was taken at bwana bowman's reference to crappy hunters as little women. That "women" would be used as a derogatory term is offensive and revelatory of an entrenched attitude. And there are a few *dwarves* in the hunting field who have made the word "Hunter" mean something honorable.
I can knock anybody who sells out their principles in order to make a buck. There is a short word for that old profession. If there were no principles to be sold in the first place, then there was nothing that merits respect.
I have hunted honorably and made my bones in the field. But what are we teaching our little girls?
What are we teaching the boys?
Killdeer :(
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Originally posted by Slasher:
Originally posted by Slasher:
[qb] I can't knock a waitress at Hooters for using her attributes and personality to make a decent living delivering fried chicken and beer... Can you knock a hunter for making a living hunting by pushing product? I can't!
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I don't think anyone is nocking the hunters for pushing their products or doing what they get paid to do. It's the fact that most of them act like idiots and do things that are harmful to the image of hunting alltogether. Like taking head on shots and taking shots at ranges that are longer than the particular hunters effective range etc...
I quit watching the "hunting" shows a while back but I started to watch one a little earlier today oddly enough. It was called Buck Commanders, pardon my french but what the hell is this crap? Is this what "hunting" programs have turned into? I thought the very popular husband and wife who I won't name were bad enough but these guys were ridiculous.
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I can absolutely knock a hunter or anyone else for doing nothing more than "selling product".
There's a name for putting money higher on the priority list than scruples.
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Well said Killie.
May my daughter also know how to make "bones in the field". May she also know six ways to Sunday to kick ass and take names! She's got pretty down pat, but even at 7 I wouldn't cross her!
Discussing the poison on t.v. is like debating the fine attributes of a turd.
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How does a thread get so far off track? To all you guys that say "turn off the t.v." no kidding, never thought of that. We all know celebrity hunters are doing paid infomecials. I'm just pointing out stupid things they say or do, it's FUNNY, not to be taken seriously. I'm not looking for any answers or advice just making an observation. Sheesh, lighten up people! :D
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I am so glad someone on here finely posted something about this , I was flipping through the channels last night , and low and behold I stopped on the outdoor channel and this guy was talking stick and string , them they had some new hi-tech wheel bow it made me sick to here it, people are wierd these days!
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I agree with what has been said here, but if I can try to be the devils advocate for a moment. these shows do help to bring people into hunting which is needed these days. I know the response we will hear from this but think about loosing your hunting rights.
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NorthernCaliforniaHunter said:
"Discussing the poison on t.v. is like debating the fine attributes of a turd."
Oustanding! I love that line. Mind if I steal it and use it?
Killdeer, you go girl! And I say that with all respect. You make excellent points. I've read many of your posts and I could learn a lot about bowhunting from you.
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Why don't we all make an effort to compile some professional quality traditional footage to be used in the TV format? Instead of grunting about the negative let's harp on the positive. Even if we throw out the idea of television we could still do well by way of a video podcast, DVDs etc.
I have a BS degree (in every sense) in telecom. If you get me quality footage Ill edit/compile it into something we would enjoy. How many of you hunt with your bow? How many of you have a friend with access to a camera that you would take along? Do the math. We could have a nice Tradgang video library up before long.
Just my 2 cents.