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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Leapingbare on October 12, 2010, 12:26:00 PM
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I have always pee'd in a bottle when deer hunting.
I was talking to a hunting buddy of mine and he said that deer are not spooked by human pee.
On the same note dose dip spit spook deer?
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Pee = no
Dip = ?
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I say no it does not spook them and I have I friend that chews and kills more deer than anyone I know he swears that they they are attracted to red man.
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Sometimes it scares them to death.
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I will say no to the pee. I used to carry a bottle, but haven't in years. Hasn't made a bit of difference that I can tell. I don't spit so I can't answer the other.
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After thinking about it I will pee at my stand this afternoon and get back to you with first hand results. But I ain't chewing no nasty red man.
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I've always peed from my treestand onto the ground. The deer kept coming back. so.....
And I've read somewhere that the pheromones evaporate shortly after being released in air and on ground, and that it is those human pheromones that could give us up to a deer's nose. So....
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Human urine is sterile and being such carrys little or no human scent in it. I have always wondered how well a deer can differentiate between various animals urine scent. Human dung on the other hand freaks them out.
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According to a University of Wisconsin study, one of the best attractants is ammonia.
I watched a video they made of a man inside a brush pile with an open container of ammonia and at least one major buck came and was trying to tear into the brush pile to get at the ammonia..lol
Human urine doesn't seem to bother the deer here in Missouri.
I have urinated in their scrapes just to see if they stopped using them and the answer is most definitely NO!
God bless,Mudd
God bless,Mudd
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Only if they are under you when you pee.
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I've proven to myself that deer aren't spooked. Countless times I've had deer walk through a wet spot at the bottom of my tree without anything more than curiousity. Had a coyote do the same last year.
I used a pee jug for a lot of years, but no more.
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I used a bottle for years until one day in the early 80's. I was 20' up a tree in Yellowbanks and had to go like a racehorse!! I realized I forgot my "bottle" and just had to let her rip right out of the stand. Not more than 45 minutes later the biggest doe I had ever seen, arse like a brown mule!!, along with two fawns walked directly underneath me and never knew I was there. Haven't used one since!! JMHO
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I can't believe this one hasn't been laid to rest by the Mythbusters! You can search this, there are lots of posts. The answer is....only if you whizzed on one's head. I haven't carried a pee jug for many years and I've killed deer standing in my puddles. I've also had them sniff spit years ago when I dipped, but that may vary by flavor so I can't make any guarantees. I gave it up for my health and wallet, there are better deer attractants. If one sees or smells YOU while answering natures call, you're busted. What really pisses me off (pardon the pun) is when they start snickering! :biglaugh:
I.P. Freely
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Yeah I have heard of guys making mock scrapes and peeing in them.
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Just pee in a scrape and put a game cam up, I couldn't believe it.
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On nearby public ground there is a ravine that has a bunch of pop bottles with pee in them. The tree sitters that hunt there apparently don't want to take it home with them. They would not admit to the trash nor would anyone blieve that it did not make deer spook.
I have seen Levi Garret chew make a fawn jump four feet straight up and then both fawns and their mama ran for a half mile to the next valley. However, I have had deer come straight at me from down wind smelling my English pipe tobacco. The doe that circled me for twenty minutes the other night apparently could not smell past the Muskol that I was bathing in or was it the quart of ice tea that I was drowning all of the ants around me with? You only rent anything with caffeine in it.
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Swallow the red-man then pee.
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OK guys, I'm going to leave the pee bottle at home!
Thanks for the advise!
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Penn State did a study about 10 years ago . They found that deer can tell urine from other substances BUT they cant tell what animal or man it came from. All they know is its urine and usualy dissapated prior to thier comming in contact They ahve nodea what it came from and they find urine all over the outdoors .
Wont spook them
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Wow, I feel alone here. I also had to pee severely once without a bottle. I was so scent concious I was almost miserable back then. I let it go with tears in my eyes and several minutes later, one of the biggest bucks I've ever seen snuck his way in UPWIND until he was plus or minus ten yards. Too much brush to shoot....just waiting for him to step out, but I was terrified about my pee. He made one more step, caught wind of what I have always assumed was my fairly warm pee and acted like someone threw a hand grenade at him. LOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGGG gone!
I always thought it was of course the urine and have been torturing myself for years.
Maybe not... from this post???? The wind was in my favor bigtime, but he got close to that pee.
Guess I'll never know now!
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Yup I am a stand, uh, urinater.
Hey guys, how do you spell it?
peer? peeer? peier? :dunno:
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Been saying this for years. :laughing: The second Saturday afternoon of the early Jersey season this year after squirting 2 times out of my portable. I had a 60/70 lb Doe and her 2- 30 lb fawns under my stand for 45 minutes. Just couldn't bring myself to wacking any of them.I should bottle mine as curiousity scent!! :laughing:
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letter fly!! Shot my biggest buck just after zipping up!
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If they can't differentiate human pee from other animal pee. Then doe in rut urine shouldn't work, right? I don't know the answer, but I haven't noticed any harm from peeing on the ground.
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I pee through a small piece of Scent Lok material.
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Outfitter in Illinois made us pee in a bottle. Mason peed all over a dogwood tree under our stand a few years back and had a buck come under it while his pee was still dripping off the dogwood tree ! The buck never knew we were there. JMHO
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Pee doesn't bother them and I don't think the chew does either. I have actually saw deer come in and lick the spot where I was spitting before I quit chewing. My uncle that I hunt with has had the same experience.
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Saw Myles Keller dipping years ago and I asked him if he dipped in the stand. He said that he did. I have used his response as a rationalization to keep on with my own habit.
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The scrape by my stand keeps getting bigger and I whizzed on it twice so far.
If there is a bow in my hand there is also a chew of Red Man in my cheek. Trying to spit on chipmunks helps pass the time.
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Deer like tobacco.
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MY one time brother-in-law used to smoke a doobie in his stand. Boy sure killed a lot of deer.
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Sportsmans program that used to air in Michigan hosted by a guy by the name of Fred Troost (sp) took up this very questions much to the annoyance of one local scent manufacturer. I watched as he dumped a quart of fresh squeezed ummm Fred Juice across the back of a doe decoy and shortly there after several deer came right up to the deer decoy to take a whiff. Also showed him making a mock scrape with his own urine as well as ammonia fertilizer which both worked rather well. Seems the location was more important than the specific odor and deer are naturally curious critters. I recall he did end up getting sued but cant tell you if he lost.
I personally pee in scrapes and off my stand and have never actually had it make a difference. I check carefully before I let 'er rip so I dont scare them with the sound. Also never had them react to Copenhagen spit and I chewed for several years while bow hunting. Cant say for sure on the tobacco but thats been my experience.
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To pee or not to pee...................I pee
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I pee too!
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I have tried peeing in scrapes and have never had one abandoned.
Several years ago, right after peeing out of my stand, I had a small group of deer pass downwind of me, all does and fawns. They caught my scent and snorted a little, but could not locate me. I was only about 10 feet above ground (bottom of platform). After several minutes, one doe ended up underneath me, sniffing where I just went. She put her back legs together and peed down her hind legs exactly on top of where I peed several minutes earlier.
I never worry about peeing on stand. Don't chew the Redman on stand for fear of getting busted leaning over to spit. Hunt on the ground mostly these days.
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I have killed two deer that licked the leaves I just peed on. Both were young deer, a doe and a small 9 point. I have no idea what a big buck would do.
I pee.
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Never mattered, I usually spook 'em slinging arras!
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I also pee right in nearby scrapes, on purpose. I've never seen anything but positive results.
Here's what deer do NOT like the smell of...scented shaving cream, deoderant soap (Irish Spring style), aftershave, cologne, minty toothpaste, scented shampoo, fresh scent laundry det, spring fresh dryer sheets, gasoline on boots, carpet freshener on boots, anything close then on your hands/on your boots/pant legs, etc.
If the wind if right, chew or a cigarette won't bother them. If the wind is wrong, I've heard both that sometimes they don't bother deer and sometmes deer fall over themselves getting out of there.
My persnal experience is, cherry skoal doesn't bother them. Wintergreen or mint does.
However, there are always exeptions. A few years back, I was chainsawing multiple long shooting lanes for a rifle blind, alone. I'd cut some, go sit in the blind, look, mentally mark trees, walk back, cut more, etc. Well, after about 1/2 hour of this, I made a cut, walked back to the blind and sat down. I bent down to grab a water I had on the ground, looked back up and a 6pt was standing right in my new lane, smelling the chainsaw I left there. Needless to say, the buck didn't give a rip, ate a couple fresh cut leaves and slowly walked off.
Now, starving deer in the dead of winter are known to do this, but this was in lush august. Go figure.
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Hey Jesse. I stopped using the bottle several years ago and has made no difference. I actually see and kill more deer than ever these last few years. I don't think it's because of the pee, just saying it sure doesn't seem matter.
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A human smells like. . . a human! All other things; bug-dope, aftershave, baby powder etc etc. including urine, may or may not be associated with human- at the same time, they may cause curiosity.
I quit worrying about it a long time ago when one of the better mature buck hunters I know was using some Brute # ?? for deodorant. If the deer can smell your deodorant he already has smelled you! I also talked with Judd Cooney years ago at some event where he advocated using babypowder as a wind checker. He liked the fact that it had a perfume odor as he could then catch the whiffs of scent in the air knowing how the thermals were drifting. I hold with his view- an animal has no idea that baby powder is associated with a human.
I have been using bug-dope in various settings the past few years and yet to notice any real problem.
A downwind mature deer has you nailed- period. Strategic access to the stand, your boots carrying foreign smells from the car and your human smelling pant-legs rubbing off on brush are far more a problem.
My 2C
Dan in KS
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I never thought it made a difference to a deer to smell human urine. Started carrying a bottle to my stand, and gave it up. No difference in deer reaction.
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Here is another thing to look at. I have had "meat fed red fox urine" work better for cover scent than skunk scent.
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NO . . . go ahead and let'r rip!!
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It only spooks them if you drink diet coke.
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Peeing from a stand - I have shot a deer 5 minutes after peeing from the stand. I have also been busted and yelled at by deer watching me pee. I had a nice buck duck his head and watch me pee. I guess all in all I've had alot of fun while peeing.
I think it would depend on the day, I would not dose up on vitamins prior to going hunting nor would I eat asparagus, other than that - go pee.
I don't think the deer care for snuff but have no real verdict on that one.
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How do you think I fill up my drippers for mock scrapes :knothead:
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Just learned something new.... Bye bye pee bottle....
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NO i have have put in a lot of time testing this with trail cam and also using trail cam at scrapes. i drink A LOT of coffee and on a 5 hour stand sit i bet i go atleast 10 times!
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Thank you all! I now feel free to pee
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Ken, 10 times? you better have that looked at.
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I'm just impressed that anybody can sit still and then hit a deer with that much caffeine in 'em! I ain't as young as I once was and 10 times doesn't sound all that excessive to me, Ken.
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One thing for certain, The moment you start to go is when the deer show up.
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I hate to hijack the thread here, but I've been peeing out of the stand lately and today it stopped several hogs dead in their tracks. I described what happened in my First Trad Kill thread and I think the pee spooked the pigs. Either they smelled the ground under my tripod where i have walked, and proceeded no further or they smelled my pee. From what i could see they were sniffing the pee. Directly under me and behind me. Something made these hogs change their mind and I can't figure it out.
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i never could get used to the idea of walkin around in the wood with a pee bottle, so i didnt.i also dont think that deer are inteligent enough to differentiate between human, fox, bear, rabbit, bird, canine, or feline pee, so i just pick a tree and pee. i.p. freely
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Remember Murphy's law as soon as you pull it out they will show up and you will be caught with the wrong piece of hunting gear in your hand. :biglaugh:
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Always heard deer arent spooked by pee. Always heard deer like tobacco juice. I can get really fresh RedMan since its made down the road, but I'm a Copenhagen guy myself! Phil
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Originally posted by lpcjon2:
Remember Murphy's law as soon as you pull it out they will show up and you will be caught with the wrong piece of hunting gear in your hand. :biglaugh:
been there done that. Doe stopped at 20 trying to figure out what the waterfall was coming from the tree.
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I P 2.
One study several years ago concluded that human urine did not spook deer and that, in fact, it was a deer attractant!
The only better news would have been that the most effective urine was made up of Coors Light.
Bill
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Does not spook them at all.
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When the water pill kicks in believe me you will go. Getting to a water bottle is not an option! I pissedd twice today and none of the 5 does and fawns at the feeder this evening gave it or me a second glance. I was 20 yards away and was considerate enough of the ladies in the group to turn my back to them. There was none to very little wind and it was sidways to the deer. First day first time for me so can't say as I have a wealth of experience to fall back on.