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The deer I killed last weekend was the first time I ever used a 3 blade head. I liked the results and bloodtrail.
Please tell me your experiences with 3 blades and lighter bows....say 45# and less. Thanks!
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After I had shoulder surgery I was shooting 3 blades off a couple 40 to 45 pound bows with great success.
Like all broadheads...sharp and good shot placement wins every time.
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My son was drawing about 40# at that time. 200 gr WW on a 200 gr Redline shaft.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c359/snakewood3/Cals%20kills/calsfirstdeerkill003.jpg)
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c359/snakewood3/Cals%20kills/calsfirstdeerkill006.jpg)
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c359/snakewood3/Cals%20kills/calsfirstdeerkill013.jpg)
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Thanks. Great pics of your son, by the way
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Cool.
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That's what I call a blood trail. Congrats to your son. I'm curious. Do you know how much your entire son's arrow weighs with regards to grains?
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Right at 400 grains..200 gr point 200 gr shaft. Fly like darts
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For deer, or other medium sized game, there are many combinations of broadhead style and shaft weight, and FOC that will work.
If you are hunting Large Game like Elk and Moose, sticking with time tested, field proven, heavy shafts with sharp 2-blade broadheads and high FOC is the way to go. Just my 2 cents.
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Oh I agree on the bigger game....I should have said "on whitetails"....thanks.
I have seen some impressive penetration by 2 blade heads, including on the caribou I shot several years ago. But these days, it's pretty much Michigan whitetails for me. And I have had some disapointing trails the last few years. I have had bigger deer, especially FAT deer, hardly bleed at all on perfect double lung shots. I'm convinced that the tallow they are carrying fom feeding on the oaks and the corn seals up like a Rhinehart 3D target! I may be a 3 blade convert.....
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Roger,
Don't worry a bit. A guy I know with a big farm in Iowa that shoots 20-30-40 does a year with a low 50s bow and the BIG Snuffers. Sometimes he waits till things are just right and shoots thru two at a time. This past year he had to drop down to right around 40 lbs with a bum shoulder and had NO problems shooting thru a pile of does.
Those Trailmakers are like a knitting needle compared to a big Snuffers In fact, I know guys that shoot ELK with Woodsmen and Snuffers with ~50# bows all the time...
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Thanks Steve....my next Shrew is only going to be 50#'s or so...and I'm loving these 3 blade heads.
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Wow, we could learn from a fellow that shoots 20 to 40 whitetails a year. Great post.
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Roger, The more you hunt with them, and kill critters with them, you'll come to luv the 3 bladers even more!
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I agree Guru. All things considered, I'm wondering if the doe I killed last weekend would have been such a happy story had I been shooting something else. I have to be honest and admit (again) that I wasn't happy with my shot...yet it was the best bloodtrail I have had in years.
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I have used the muzzy 125 gr. three blade for the past 4 or 5 seasons.500 gr. arrow 50 to 52# bows no peoblems at all.I've only had one shot that wasnt a pass through.And that one got caught up in the off side shoulder.After breaking the on side shoulder of a very large doe.I like em.Jim
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I'm normally shooting about 45# at my draw and I've had good luck with three-blade heads. I didn't have especially good blood trails, but I didn't need them so much as the critters went down quickly.
I may not have been getting them as sharp as they should have been either. I think we blame our own 'less than sharp' broadheads for poor blood trails when it was really our own fault for not getting them super sharp.
PS, The new KME bench stones work great for getting three bladed broadheads sharp.
todd
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VERY NICE!
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Todd-
What type (Ceramic, Arkansas, or DMT) KME bench stone is your favorite?
thanks,
Ward
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Roger,
It's all relative. You're using a three blade head and I know you're using axis shafts. I think axis buys you a little lighter poundage for the same point on a wood shaft due to less flex on impact and skinnier arrow diameter. If you've got over two hundred grains up front, that takes a couple more pounds off (versus just a 125 grain head on the end of a wood shaft). Look at the Ashby report where he's talking about this percentage of gain with one variable over the other. I'm not going to say an exact gain, but I'd guess that a three blade head on a axis shaft with a one hundred grain steel adapter out of a forty five pound bow would be the same as a one hundred twenty five grain head on a wood arrow (not considering forgewood of course) from a 53-55# bow with the same overall arrow weight per pound.
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Originally posted by Roger Norris 2:
The deer I killed last weekend was the first time I ever used a 3 blade head. I liked the results and bloodtrail.
Please tell me your experiences with 3 blades and lighter bows....say 45# and less. Thanks!
My grandfather hunted for decades with a 42# recurve, swagged aluminum shafts, and 125-grain 3-blade heads. He rarely every left an arrow in a deer. Get it sharp, get it flying straight, get it where it belongs. The rest is academic.
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Dang your smart Ray! No wonder you are the ShrewHaven Numbers Guy
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Don't change if you know it works... :archer2:
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I know they work with my 57# Lil Favorite, but I'm thinking about a 49-50 # Classic Hunter.
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48-50# classic hunter at your draw with 225 grains up front on Easton Axis 500 shafts and Tim's 3 blade Trailmaker Head will only bring one question.....do you like your backstraps rare or medium rare???????? :campfire:
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Rare with a side of Jameson....cased with apple pie from your folks orchard!!!!!
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When it comes to broadheads I'm as fickle as a farm boy at a barn dance, I gotta dance with em all. :jumper: There's been times that I've had two or three different heads in my quiver at a time when hunting. I really like BIG two blade heads, they sharpen easy and cut a hole like a small ax. In the 50's I used the big 2 blade Goshawk, then the Pierson DeadHead and as of late the Ace Super Express.
I've killed a lot of deer with the old Bear Razorhead which made an + going in and a - coming out because the bleeder would collapse when if went past the rib bones, but of coarse that's what it was designed to do.
Sometime around 1960 I used the 3 blade M-A 3 and Bodkin heads and killed some deer with them. I always got good penetration and good blood trails with those heads. If you're familiar with the M-A 3 and Bodkin heads you know that the steel was not the best to get a good edge so I would serrate them with a file.
Are 3 blades good heads? are 4 blades good? are 2 blades good?... :confused: . Yes on all of them. Sharp heads and good shot placement is still the key for any broadhead. As to which is best??...
I'm a dancin man so
When the leaves turn gold an there's a hunters moon, an fall is in the air.
I'm gonna dance to the hunters tune..which broadhead? I don't much care.
Here's one I shot with an M-A 3 back in 1961
(http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/First-bow-deer1.jpg)
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I never thought about the old Bear Razorheads and the + going in with the - going out....I learn something everyday.
Doesn't Jenkins use the old MA-2's when he makes his "Hackstackers?"
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My wife shoots 45 # @ 26" with 200 grain Razorcaps. She shot this buck last week. Hit it in front of the right hip and the arrow came out the left lung. As long as the arrow shoots straight and is razpr sharp you should have no problems. She has also taken other deer and bear all with two holes shooting four blade Muzzy Phantoms. Back in the 50's when Bear introduced the four blade Razorhead the average bow weight was 45#-50#.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/Arrowworks/Laurabuck2.jpg)
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Man Bill, for a guy who has been doing this 59 years, you sure do have a young wife :thumbsup:
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Anybody have any experience using Thunderheads? I want to buy some Woodsmans, but I have a pile of Thunderhead 125's that I used when I shot compound. I am just wondering how much penetration the cut on contact buys.
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In real life the difference in penetration between a thunderhead and cut on contact 3 blade isnt much. Any hunting weight bow will usually put nice holes in both sides of a deer. I used thunderheads for years and only went to snuffers once I figured out how to sharpen them.
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Ward \\ Texas,
KME is having aluminum oxide ceramic stones made for them. As it was explained to me there are many ways to "cook" them and Ron kit on a fantastic recipe. They cut very clean and leave behind nice smooth sharp edges.
Here's a link: http://kmesharp.com/kmealcest.html
todd
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I just recieved 2 KME aluminum oxide stones last night. My first impression is that they are a pretty darn efficient way to sharpen a 3 blade head. I have the coarse and medium fine grit.