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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Leapingbare on October 19, 2010, 06:37:00 PM
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So is this stuff for real? I have never got any because i dout it works.
How ever i'v been thinking about it laitly and looking at the H.S. SCENT-A-WAY TEK 4 stuff, i figer i could ware it under my other cloths and get the same effect if it dose what is says it dose.
So dose it work or is it a gimmick?
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Never use hs scent but I do use scent blocker an it works. Making scent control really work is more than just putting on clothes but when you do everything right it works. I have had many times with deer and elk that I have been dead in their wind and they never knew I was in the world.
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Do a search on Scent lock here or on the web, opinions vary wildly on the subject with many on both sides. This subject has been discussed a million times here and else where with good points on both sides. :deadhorse:
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Like I said it's more to it than clothes.you can buy all the scent block you want and have stinking breath and those clothes do you no good.
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If you have the money to burn, buy it. Can't HURT. But no matter what, hunt downwind. I've been picked off plenty of times with every scent precaution you can think of.
Great concept, but far from foolproof.
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Waste of money, and so is camo. Just wear your jeans, a plaid shirt, and keep the wind in your favor.
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Keep clean as possible and hunt the wind. I wash my clothes regularly during hunting season and shower before I go out - but you can't beat the nose of a whitetail - hunt the wind.
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Been proven in court recently not to measure up to the claims made for it. I would never waste my money on it. You can only regenerate carbon in heat so high it would destroy the garment.
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Dave M's got it. They're being sued. If it worked you see guy hunting downwind, because thats the direction animal look.
Bowmania
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I am a believer. But I do it all. and I do it all everytime right before I go. Wash clothes everyday and dont let them in the truck. Rubber boots, wash,brush, deodorize. If you miss one step. Your busted so I say jump in or stay out but always hunt the wind! That works way better!
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i use it but I still play the wind. Not sure if the clothing helps i have had deer come from down wind, but you know how crazy deer can get, and how air pressure can affect your scent
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I don't use it and I've had deer come from downwind too. If we could see air currents, I'm sure we'd be surprised. I use milkweed silk rather than powder to check the wind. It rides the wind and you can see it for a long ways. It often explains why scent control stuff might SEEM to work at times. Even the TV hunters who get paid to wear the stuff get winded all the time. Like the old commercial said, "You can't fool Mother Nature!"
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rascal has it right! scent control has to be an all-or-nothing deal.
good hunting!!!
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Cabobon works to a point but recharging it like said requires heat and that is limited in a dryer.
Silver is a very strong antibiotic=scent controle=teck 4 so i think it will work(my dad teaches microbiololgy I asked). No clothes will control all your odor unles you wear a complete bubble. You will never be scent free. Hunt smart. Use every available and affordable scent controle system and you will improve your odds, can't ever beat being down wind.
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If you hunt on the ground it is not worth a sore you know what! The material does not breathe very well.
Play the wind.
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If it doesn't breath it won't work on the ground. If your twenty feet up in a tree you still have to play the wind. It should be blowing your scent up and away. If it is blowing down towards the ground you need a new spot or a better wind direction. Either way if your scent is in the deers nose your busted.
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wind and thermals, keep them in your favor as much as you can and you can hunt naked if you want. Break your outline with something behind and you will be amazed how invisable you become.
good luck,
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Thanks for the replys guys.
What i'm intrested in is not a carben sute rather a silver fuzed sute. Has anyone tryed this or heard of it?
I'm a little new to this site so im not sure if i can post a link but here go's. http://www.fieldandstreamsports.com/fssstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1565
I under stand hunting the wind. And i hear ya when you say all or nothing. Evon now i wash, i keep my cloths in a bag, i only put on my cloths befor i go to my stand, i spray my rubber boots.
How ever i dont use sent eliminating clothing so maby i'm doin all that stuff for nothing?
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My buddy buys all that really expensive clothing and IMHO he gets busted as much as I do and it makes no difference.Spent the money on you bow and arrow set up to make that perfect,Thats what makes the difference at crunch time.Wind is all you need to play with.
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It is easy to say "Hunt with the wind in your face" in areas where the wind blows steady in one direction, but where I hunt the wind swirls and can change on you in an instant, causing a busted hunt.
This is why i have always been a believer of the Scent-a-way, scent safe system. I wash my clothes in the detergent, hang them out to dry, put them in my scent travel bag with some fresh earth scent wafers, I dress in the field (even if its freezing cold lol) and then spray down with some scent away spray. This may seem like overkill but I know it allows me to get closer to deer, and it is relatively inexpensive (maybe around 50 bucks to get the basic stuff)
By the way I own one of the tech 4 base layer quarter zip shirts, I love it. Its warm and comfortable. Great shirt.
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Thats why i am thinking about getting it. I could get the sent away tech 4 base layer top , bottom , gloves , and head cover for $120.00 that is less then 1/2 what the sent block top cost.
I have the 1st two weeks of Nov off work this year and i want to do some all day sits on stand. I can plane were i go set up the day before by checking the predicted wind direction on the wether Chanel but after mid day and once the deer switch up to come back from the other direction if the wind dose not change I'm screwed and it seems it would make all day stand hunting pointless.
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I never have used scent clothing or for that matter alot of camo clothing and it never has been a problem. Recently I have gone to more camo just because it looks "Kool",but no other reason. I am 64 years old. From the time I was 10 until I was around 40 I don't even know of anyone wearing it..and people did alright hunting....
Same goes for the no scent stuff and range finders and other equipment...
To me the key in hunting is finding a place where the deer are located and being quiet and patient.Grandpa would laugh at all these "gimmicks" if he were alive today.Like the old saying goes," it aint the bow or the arrow but the indian." :thumbsup:
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Since one of the manufacturers is in my state, a few years ago while the lawsuit was going on, one of the news channels "tested" it using police K9 dogs and putting a guy in a box to see if the dog could find him. The guy was found every time no matter how much "high tech" gear he wore. I have wore a carbon scentblocker suit and had two little 6 pointers come right up to me and had no idea I was there, the wind wasn't blowing right at them but in their direction - I still wear that carbon suit and believe it works. If you believe it works, do it. Could have just been a lucky day - who knows
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Scent free your clothes, put them on, and they smell like a human. A human smells like . . . a human! PERIOD.
Every time you step in the woods thousands of dead skin cells fall off your body. Every time you step it breaks foliage which smells like a newly cut lawn to a deer.
Study the wind and thermals.
Dan in KS
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I am with Dan on this one. Scent elimination should help. Even if it does not eliminate 100% of you scent surely it lessens the amount of scent in the area. But fact is fact. If a deer can smell better than a Bloodhound and a bloodhound can track a man 3 days after he passes an area, you just can't be them. Hunt the wind and try to impact as little area around you as possible.
God Bless,
Nathan
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Funny I started out as a kid just hanging my hunting clothes (pair of flea bitten camo coveralls) out to rain wash and air dry. Later I started putting them in the barn to keep human scent off of them and get a little "ahem" natural odor in them. After that I started keeping them in a scent free garbage bag with some pine needles or oak leaves or dirt and even skunk weed to impart some smell into them. I moved onto some of the commercial scent covers as well and even tried some military chem suits I had gotten hold of (same carbon based tech as scent lock).
Long story short here, I can tell you several "gotten away with hunting the wind wrong" and "gotten busted for what appeared to be no good reason" stories. I think over the years Ive become a better hunter and it has helped me to get busted less. I cant "eliminate" scent, I must breath. I can manipulate it to a point but if I can tell that there is both coffee on the boil and bacon in the pan in the morning before I get out of bed you can bet a whitetailed deer can smell my smelly butt as well as the fox urine I dumped on my boots (probably the afore mentioned coffee and bacon as well). Hunt the wind... PERIOD.
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hunt the wind, the end
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We hunted from the 60s to now without it and killed plenty of deer. I say it's a hi tech gimmick designed to get your money but it's your money so go for it.
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I agree with the judge who recently rules that the folks at Scent Blocker were fibbing to us about the claims of their product. Even though I've bought some of their pants and jackets, because I liked the look and feel, I won't touch the brand now because of their false advertising.
I shower before every hunt with unscented soap and try to stay perspiration-free by starting cool, staying cool, and ending cool.
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if the scent away spray works then ya dont need the scent away clothes. just my two cents worth but i may be wrong who knows. i guess what ever works for you. myself well i just keep the wind in my face and it seems to work most of the time unless i move to Quick. :biglaugh:
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Trad 101 and Jeff B.. must say I like you two guys. Don't need that "fancy" stuff. Use the wind and be a traditional hunter is my motto.
Whu shoot traditional if you are using all those others gadgets and items? :archer: :archer2:
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Just another gimmick to get your money. Never used it and never will.
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Scent-Lok's own engineers said it only works about about 15-20% efficiency and it can't be regenerated with heat, this was done at a hearing, They are being sued along with Cabela's.
I use it, but I have both, suppressent and sent-Lock. I regenerate it with ozone blown into a plastic bag.
Like they said before, sometimes it works and sometimes it don't. Personally I think it works as long as you still do your part.
Prior to buying any of the carbon clothes, I ran some highly scientific tests, I wore regular cotton camo clothes, I washed in dove for sensitive skin soap ( no scent ), I wore a carbon face mask and a carbon hat. That evening I had five bucks under my tree for about five minutes and three of them looked right up at me. Too small to shoot for me, but they never busted me.
Try the new stuff that has silver in it, all you need is the light shirt and pants, and it's cheap compared to carbon clothes.
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I just don't believe it works. Swirling wind is always a problem but not necessarily a show stopper. In many places, the hunting area has houses and people on all sides, so a deer lives in the presence of human odor 24/7. They become quite cautious but do not abandon the area. I have lived in town for many years and have seen many deer, including some really nice bucks come up in the yard, even eating my wife's flowers in the front yard.
Hunt the wind in such a manner as to favor the most prevalent wind direction, and hunt the more secluded trails.
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When I started hunting 11 years ago, I was taken in by the camo and scent elimination hype. What I discovered during those 11 years was that I got just as close to deer if I hadn't showered that morning... or wore blaze orange or 18th century clothes or plaid... if I didn't move and the wind was in my favor. Just my two pence... YMMV.
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Yes, all this is good info., but I tell you, whether you believe me or not, I have stalked up to or had deer come to me without the favor of the wind, and I mean up to a few yards away, no explanation other than the soap and carbon clothes, but also doing my part as far as keeping everything clean. In studies they have found that most of your scent comes out from your head, hands, and mouth, and as long as you are doing your part to to keep everything clean it seems to work pretty good in N.J.
You must remember, here we might hunt on a big parcel of land and have plenty of area to stalk and then again it might be a postage stamp like what I have now since losing 1500 acres to new development. The area I hunt on now is about 2 acres and most of it is grass. The area I hunt on is about 25 yds. wide dwindling to about 10 yds. of woods and about 60 yds. long. So no stalking, or playing the wind. I did have a huge buck about 12-15 yds. from my tree but no shot, wind was blustery to say the least, but he never busted me and it was going straight to him and the direction where he came in from. He finally just walked away from where he came from.
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Have been busted on more than one occassion using full scent lok gear and by strictly adhering to the prescibed ritual.
I honestly believe that I was busted less when keeping my clothes in a garbage bag filled with baking soda. My clothes would put out a small white cloud if quickly compressed. I would go thru 3 large boxes of baking soda a season.
What ever method you choose keep the wind in your favor.
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use the wind
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By default, I have Scentlok clothing. I wear two layers. All bought at the Bargin Cave in Cabela's for 1/3 of the cost. Here is my experience... in a tree last year, two layers and sprayed down. Deer came up the trail into a staging area perpendicular to me position and the wind. Wind blowing from me to the direction the deer was heading. As soon as he hit that wind, his head popped up and he visibly was sniffing the air 30 yds from me. From his actions, he could tell something was there, but not sure what. Being younger (spiker) he continued on... but isn't that interesting?
I think it helps, it confuses them, but NOTHING beats the wind. In CT, the wind is entirely unpredicable and changes in the tree... anything that may help... just buy it on sale cause the stuff is expensive.
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It's good for the scent block clothing industry.
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if it get you in the woods more often than by all means use it.
good luck and happy hunting!!
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Animals are thought to being smelling in the parts per billion area......take the same amount of money and donate it to your local conservation fund, the good karma you receive from that will out weigh any advantage some magic spray in a bottle will give ya...
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I have been told by one local guy who has never gotten a deer, that it is a miracle. someone else who hunts from the ground and gets his deer regularly says he could not tell if it works or not. I am wondering though if it kinda works and if there would be a grant or something, because there is a big stinky dude in our town that never takes a bath. Now if it comes in giant sizes and can defeat a giant stink, that is so bad that he can clear out a restaurant by just coming in the side door, at least well enough so that anyone downwind of him won't toss their cookies, we could have at least some evidence that it works a little.