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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Gaff on October 25, 2010, 12:28:00 PM
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well, yesterday at about 8am i had what i think is a stud of a 2 1/2 year old buck walk past me on the ground at 17-18yds wide open. i was able to hold it together just like i had done this before.( i hadnt)
i picked a spot in the middle of the deer right tight to the shoulder. i mouth grunted it to stop- it did, and i released....
that buck dropped so fast and so far that the arrow stuck in a 4" dia tree right exactly where the deer was 1sec earlier..
after starin at the tree for the next 3 hrs i walked over.. its was only 24" or so of the ground. so im 100% sure i didnt just fling it over the deers back. i watched it duck the arrow..
im not upset, because it was awesome just to have my first shot with the recurve.. but my qusetion is should i have aimed at the bottoom od the deer so he ducked into it?? do any of you do this??
gaff
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Nope...but next time, don't alert him to your presence. Shoot him walking.
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Anxious to see the answers here that follow. After shooting over one that I think definitely ducked, I will be shooting for the heart next time. That heart is pretty low in deer, and hopefully I will end up with a double lung. I know lots will say just look where you want to hit, but our Oklahoma deer are quite adept at jumping the string!
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What Biggie said. The objective is to reduce the variables in your shot, and throwing in a sound that the deer didn't expect added one. If you aim low and still grunt, you're just as likely to shoot under him as anything. Some of them duck, some freeze and some get out of Dodge so fast you'd swear they were never there. Control what you can; don't try to control what the deer will do because mostly it won't be what you want him to do.
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I've had nothing but bad luck grunting to stop deer.
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But it works on tv :dunno:
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Yep, I never try to stop em unless they are leaving my effective range. Atleast you got the shot man! Very cool....and it is way better than a bad hit.
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What Biggie said....
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Unless you are hunting hard hunted spooky deer, I wouldn't. Either wait for it to stop on its own, or shoot it walking, if it is moving slow.
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It does work on TV, but they are usually aiming for a duck too. :)
I try to never stop one, unless it's just moving too fast. If I do shoot at one that I've grunted at, I aim as low as I'd possibly want to hit and kill it...just in case it doesn't duck.
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Hey I aimed lower third and no grunt Saturday and still shot under her when she ducked...and after pacing it off she was a yard closer than I thought...At least you have an excuse...lol
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I wouldn't have grunted and alerted the deer to something in the area. A walking deer is making his own background noise himself.
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everybody misses! missed three time this year. finally shot a doe sat evening
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I would have shot him walking like Biggie said. That being said, I had a buck duck the string and shot over his back last year and I did not try to stop him. I did shoot him walking. Problem was he was walking on an old logging road and was not making any noise.
Ya' win some and ya lose some.
God Bless,
Nathan
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Originally posted by Stone Knife:
But it works on tv :biglaugh:
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Originally posted by arrowslinger22:
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Originally posted by Stone Knife:
But it works on tv :knothead: :banghead:
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I always aim for the lower third of the body on a whitetail. Just the way I do it. However, I've never tried to stop a walking deer before I shot. Just think too many things can go wrong if you do. Especially inside 20 yards. Good luck and "Keep'Um Sharp". :dunno:
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deer do not cooperate. Sometimes they drop fast, some times they just stand there and take it like a man. I'm not in favor of grunting to stop them. That puts them on red alert, they know something is a miss. BUT................
Joe
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i guess huntin with my compound has given me some bad habits.. i dont know if im comfortable shooting a walkin deer tho. ive never practiced that before. i guess i may have to start hey..
yeah jamie, im bummed i didnt get my first trad deer, but at the same time im glad it was a clean miss..
what a rush tho!!!
gaff
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Originally posted by Stone Knife:
But it works on tv :dunno:
I'll catch some heck for this but if you add another 100 to 120 fps (big difference between 180 fps and 320 fps) to an arrow they have a harder time ducking them. Granted anything is possible! (this is based on most of TV is with very fast wheel bows)!!!
With wheels I would always be ready at full draw pin centered and grunt, as they were coming to a stop I would touch it off aiming low, didn’t have a problem. I’m not this style shooter with a recurve/longbow.
I switched to traditional in 2007 (I’m much more of a snap shot than hold and release) and haven’t had a shot at a deer yet but got busted by grunting to stop doe and also drawing on the same doe without letting her know I was there. Very frustrating!
Josh
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I mmmmissed Sat night at an alert buck that had me pegged in the tree and turned to go. I have no doubt he ducked at the sound of my bow...shooting a walking deer is something I swore against with my compounds but after missing a couple I tried to grunt to a stop with my longbow, I am going with what Biggie says :)
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I did the same thing at 10 yards but the deer was on the side hill. I miss judged the distance. I usally......... aim low for the heart and make the shot. Not this time, the down hill got me! I struggle with that shot at the 3 d range too. More practice !!!!!!
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Same happened to me a couple of weeks ago except I was quiet. Perfect shot, matriarch doe ducked down to her knees and the shaft just barely cleared her back. I watched it fly into the timber. I have since quieted down my arrows, since they had a pretty good hiss to them. She either saw it or heard it or both.
Just like you, however, having the shot and making a good one made my day. I was a happy camper even though I missed a nice doe.
Let's keep at it.
Sam
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What Biggie said...But like you said, you're not comfortable shooting at a walking deer at that range...so...learn from it and drill the next one Jamie!
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thanks guys!! im actually pretty pleased with myself that i was able to do almost everything right. the buck just did 1 better..
i am possibly gonna consider changing from 5" feathers to as small as i can get away with. my 5"ers seem to hiss. and if can hear it, i know they'er gonna turn inside out when they hear it.
oh, well... chalk it up to experience...
gaff
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Jamie,
Cool learning experience. Glad you are getting some action over there! :thumbsup:
You would be suprised with a little practice how proficient you are at moving targets. Good Luck :archer:
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I don't believe a lot of what I see on tv. I've seen some terrible hits but they seemed to recover them.
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i agree total surprise is the best, if you've been hunting with a compound, you may have to change one thing, it's not always possible, and sometimes they may show up anywhere, but after going trad 20 years ago, i found it better to put my stands as close to the trail as i could, the shots are closer, the arrow gets there quicker, them dropping isn't as crucial, and them walking is much simplier. i know shooting a compound, people feel they have a better cahce with the wind, that may be, most of us don't feel comfortable shooting past 25 yard.
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I agree with the thoughts of not alerting the animal to your presence, ie. shoot him while he is walking, but I still say aim low. The reason, Deer do not jump your string per say, what happens is the deer hears an un-natural noise and it's inborn instincts say run. In order for a deer to run from a standing position it must first crouch down for the initial lunge. The more alerted and louder the noise the more the deer drops to spring forward. An alerted deer can easily drop a full body width when this happens. In reality we hit right where we were aiming, the deer just wasn't there when the arrow arived. Remember the speed of sound travels at over 700 fps. and our arrows move at less than 200 on most traditional equipment, the sound will arrive over 3 times faster than our arrows. Thats plenty of time for a deer to move.
How many times do you hear, Dang, I just shot under that deer, not many. Aim low, if the deer doesn't move, you still make a great shot.
Just my two cents. RW
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Gaff, smaller feathers may not be the answer to the hiss; height and shape have more to do with it. If you are shooting shields, try trimming the back of the fletch to a parabolic shape. I think you will find his to quiet the hiss. A smaller feather may not provide the stabilization you want with broadheads.
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Originally posted by Stone Knife:
But it works on tv :dunno:
They also spine a lot of them on TV!
I always aim for the heart anyway. If I hit it, they bleed like crazy, and I love blood trails. They can go farther than a double lung, but heart shot = dead deer. If they duck or I just hit a touch high, I get both lungs! They don't get far without air!
I grunted to stop one once and hit her in the shoulder blade. Now I either shoot them walking or wait for them to stop. I prefer they don't know I'm around. Last year, my stand (actually my son's stand) squeaked and alerted the buck. I can called him back in and double lunged him on a shot aimed at the heart. He did duck, but I was pretty sure he was going to.
Why put on camo, eliminate your scent, climb a tree, and then make noise that lets the deer know where you are?
On the other hand, my son grunted to stop the doe his buck was trailing, then put a Woodsman through a nice 12 point at 8-10 yards. Sometimes it works, I guess. During the rut, bucks get pretty stupid though.
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I pick the spot where the brown meets white at the "armpit" as on public land I have hunted the pressured deer react to ANY noise at all!!
I usually grunt after the miss!