Post by: kennym on December 15, 2010, 07:33:00 PM
Checked by MDC , they said definitely a yote,not a wolf.
Wolf in Grundy Co,35 miles NW of me a few years back killed by bowhunter weighed 80#
They also say most yote from 18 to 30 # in MO
What say ye?
I say if one of that stature comes by me,I'm puttin one in im! :scared:
Long walk to truck in dark with longbow and 104# yotes!! :biglaugh:
Post by: Wannabe1 on December 15, 2010, 07:38:00 PM
Post by: The Vanilla Gorilla on December 15, 2010, 07:42:00 PM
When I trapped, a coyote of average size in my area would be around 20lbs. I wonder what that pelt woulda fetched him!?
I bet when that yote threw his head back and howled, the rest shut up and laid down!
But, if it were me, I woulda held out for a big one. Haha!
Post by: gorillabows on December 15, 2010, 07:42:00 PM
"Long walk to truck in dark with longbow and 104# yotes!! "
Yes it would be!!!
Post by: SEMO_HUNTER on December 15, 2010, 07:47:00 PM
It's a scientific fact that wolves and coyotes are very closely related and share the same DNA.
They will also interbreed and the offspring are called Timber wolves. The old timers used to call the coyote "The little brush wolf" or the "Little Timber Wolf" so if they both share the same DNA how can they say that it's not at least a hybrid coyote/wolf??
True coyotes just don't get that big without some help.....Yikes....Mega Yote!!
I think it's a hybrid and they just don't want to alarm the public.
There has been confirmed wolf sightings and even trail cam pics of them in Illinois......that's just across the river......so believe it or don't.....it's a hybrid.
My biggest coyote to date weighed 45lbs. and I can tell you that dude was plenty big! I dang sure wouldn't want one that size on me!
I just can't imagine how big a 108 pounder would look like up close? I would have shot that sonofa&%*$ too!
They also said the same thing about mountain lions in Missouri.....they routinely denied it everytime somebody spotted one.
Until one was captured on video camera carrying a deer carcass off. Now the MDC admits that we have a "Small" population of mountain lions. :rolleyes:
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Post by: Friend on December 15, 2010, 07:49:00 PM
Information came from a Charlseton Gazette posting as of 18 hrs ago.
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Post by: SEMO_HUNTER on December 15, 2010, 07:57:00 PM
I don't ever remember a coyote being grey/black/whitish silver around the muzzle??
I call BS on that thing being a coyote......even though MDC is one of the best conservation dept. in any state around, I guarantee that they aren't above fudging the truth to keep from alarming the public. After all......they Are a government agency. :rolleyes: :readit:
Post by: bolong on December 15, 2010, 08:01:00 PM
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Post by: SEMO_HUNTER on December 15, 2010, 08:04:00 PM
http://mdc.mo.gov/newsroom/hunter-shoots-unusually-large-coyote-northwest-missouri
Notice how they also mention that Wolves are "Protected" in the state of Missouri.
If we don't have any wolves, then why to they need protecting?
Hmmmmmm........that's kinda weird? :rolleyes:
Quote from article.....
"Wolves are a protected species in Missouri......."
Post by: wildgame on December 15, 2010, 08:10:00 PM
Post by: SEMO_HUNTER on December 15, 2010, 08:11:00 PM
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Originally posted by wildgame:Boy...either the Yote decided to go "Up Town" or the Chow was slummin'?? :laughing: :nono:
i would believe maybe a coy dog!the bigeast i ever seen was a 52pounder that had yote-chow mixed!
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Post by: $bowhunter$ on December 15, 2010, 08:14:00 PM
Post by: vtmtnman on December 15, 2010, 08:14:00 PM
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Originally posted by SEMO_HUNTER:That's along the same lines of there's no Catamounts in Vermont yet it says right in the game law book no open season on eastern mountain lion,lynx,or Marten.
Here's the link to MDC's report on it.
http://mdc.mo.gov/newsroom/hunter-shoots-unusually-large-coyote-northwest-missouri
Notice how they also mention that Wolves are "Protected" in the state of Missouri.
If we don't have any wolves, then why to they need protecting?
Hmmmmmm........that's kinda weird? :rolleyes:
Quote from article.....
"Wolves are a protected species in Missouri......."
Vermont and Missouri law makers must've drank the same kool aid.. :rolleyes:
Post by: Wannabe1 on December 15, 2010, 08:18:00 PM
Post by: Hess on December 15, 2010, 08:20:00 PM
Somebody has lost there pet...I'm surprised there is no collar with tags on it.
Post by: ishiwannabe on December 15, 2010, 08:23:00 PM
Post by: Bonebuster on December 15, 2010, 08:24:00 PM
I can only imagine what a true 104 lb coyote would look like.
What we have when we find a 104 lb coyote, is evolution before our very eyes!
Post by: dragon rider on December 15, 2010, 08:26:00 PM
FWIW, that big dog looks like pure unadulterated coyote to me - just one who found himself a landfill or a bunch of dumpsters somewhere around.
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Post by: SEMO_HUNTER on December 15, 2010, 08:46:00 PM
The Eastern coyotes like they have in NH, and Maine are very closely related to wolves.
I'm doing my part when I can.......I waged an all out war on coyotes here around my place about 4 years ago. I got tired of not seeing any rabbits, and when I read some articles about how big a part of a coyote's diet is newborn fawns.....that made me even more furious.
Post by: Friend on December 15, 2010, 09:02:00 PM
Post by: YORNOC on December 15, 2010, 09:03:00 PM
A trapper friend in Maine shot(actually his wife shot) a 55 pound coyote. I saw it weighed with my own eyes and the thing was enormous, especially in its winter fur. In his whole life the next biggest he or his wife had ever taken was 42 and most were 20 to 35 pounds.
If that coyote is legitimate, looks like maybe that gigantism condition like the wrestler Andre The Giant had? Or the 400# Hinkley whitetail from Maine....etc. etc,
Post by: swampmaster on December 15, 2010, 09:08:00 PM
Post by: kennym on December 15, 2010, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: Dave Bowers on December 15, 2010, 09:33:00 PM
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Originally posted by wildgame:Thats what i was thinking..coy dog.
i would believe maybe a coy dog!the bigeast i ever seen was a 52pounder that had yote-chow mixed!
Post by: kennym on December 15, 2010, 09:38:00 PM
Post by: The Vanilla Gorilla on December 15, 2010, 09:40:00 PM
End of story.
Post by: Bjorn on December 15, 2010, 09:40:00 PM
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Post by: elkbreath on December 15, 2010, 10:19:00 PM
of course, hes a small one.
(http://bikesafe.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/big-bad-wolf.jpg)
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Post by: J-dog on December 15, 2010, 11:24:00 PM
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Originally posted by Wannabe1:That is hillarious! and I agree - whatever that is it has more than yote.
What did he eat just before dying?! :laughing:
J
Post by: Fischman on December 15, 2010, 11:35:00 PM
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Post by: elknutz on December 16, 2010, 12:11:00 AM
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Post by: FerretWYO on December 16, 2010, 12:44:00 AM
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Post by: Sixby on December 16, 2010, 02:12:00 AM
This pup is either a cross breed wolf dog or a wolf and not in too good of shape from the pic. I would say possibly a young male wolf that was kicked out of a pack and started traveling.
God Bless you all and Merry Christmas, Steve
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Post by: bornagainbowhunter on December 16, 2010, 08:32:00 AM
It really looks like a timber wolf I used to have. Mine was 98% timber wolf and 2% Malamute. I think its a pet or ferel.
God Bless,
Nathan
Post by: Mint on December 16, 2010, 09:13:00 AM
Post by: J-dog on December 16, 2010, 09:39:00 AM
I would be scared to predator hunt where red wolves are located!
J
Post by: snag on December 16, 2010, 09:49:00 AM
Post by: -Achilles- on December 16, 2010, 10:22:00 AM
Post by: TommyBoy on December 16, 2010, 11:23:00 AM
Anyone else notice behavior like this. It's got me concerned enough that I carry a pistol on my walks now. Never did that in 12 years.
Post by: TDHunter on December 16, 2010, 11:32:00 AM
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on December 16, 2010, 11:42:00 AM
Post by: TommyBoy on December 16, 2010, 11:52:00 AM
Post by: Jeremy on December 16, 2010, 11:54:00 AM
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Originally posted by TommyBoy:They're getting that bold here in CT too. I've talked to two people who have lost their dogs, presumably to coyotes. Same story in both cases: out walking the dogs in the woods with occasional glimpses of coyotes. 'yote eventually gets in closer and draws the dog off - dog never seen again. Can't really confirm their stories, but hearing the same thing from two sources has my attention.
AND THEY ARE HOLDING THEIR GROUND...Anyone else notice behavior like this.
I've seen larger coyotes the last few years, but not close to 100# - more like a small to medium sized german shepherd. The fact that they're standing still to watch me rather than running off before I see them is troubling.
Nothing good can happen when a predator loses its fear of man.
Post by: waknstak IL on December 16, 2010, 11:56:00 AM
Post by: TxAg on December 16, 2010, 12:03:00 PM
Can claim it was DNA tested all they want, still doesn't mean they're telling the truth.
Post by: Huntschool on December 16, 2010, 12:09:00 PM
1. Color has nothing to do with anything. There are color phases in all living biota.
2. Size, as well, is not fixed. Bergman’s Law states basically that over North to South distribution of a species the northern most will be heavier and somewhat larger than those in the south. This has to do with climate and species adaptation. Look at our deer. Borealis (northern most sub species) are huge compared to Texanus sub species... and I have not added Key deer. Not that there are not specific individuals in any sub species that break the rules.
3. DNA analysis has come a long way. I had quail blind tested, by a lab, that had been in the wild for four generations and the lab found pen reared markers in their examination. I knew it and was checking the effectiveness of their analysis.
4. As biological professionals we have come a long way in determining ancestry and species lines. This shows itself even in RMEF provision for reintroduction as well as NWTF.
I am not defending The MO Department, however, they have a great reputation and I truly doubt they would do anything to change that.
I know there are "one off's" that can contradict almost anything but in general coyotes in a pack enjoy a bit of dog for lunch. There are stories all over about this type of thing. Wolves are the same. I can only recall one instance of a crossbred coyote being confirmed and for the life of me I am unable to find that in my data files. Check with some of the upland guys that have been grouse and woodcock hunting in MN the past two years.
Personally, in both pictures, I do not see a wolf muzzle on this beast. His head and facial structure look like coyote to me....
I am going to defer to the DNA lab……
Post by: TommyBoy on December 16, 2010, 12:18:00 PM
Ya, when they lose their fear of man, things change. When I start to hear them calling, I call my dogs back in within 30 yards. They are shorthairs, so they are wide ranging - especially the little 45lb female. I'm just afraid the yotes are going to do a "rope a dope" - a single getting one of my dogs to chase him back to the pack.
Post by: Jeff Strubberg on December 16, 2010, 12:36:00 PM
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Post by: Jesse Minish on December 16, 2010, 02:11:00 PM
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Post by: Blackhawk on December 16, 2010, 03:51:00 PM
That’s an amazing weight for a coyote, and from the picture, I’d say wolf-coyote mix. The unusually large coyotes of eastern Canada, Newfoundland and New England are now considered a hybred with more coyote than wolf genes.
I see where some experts are also stating that the wolf of eastern North America should be a distinct species from Grey wolves. This is certainly possible since the so-called Eastern Timber wolf looks a lot like the Red wolves. The so-called Manitoba wolf is considered more aligned with the Red Wolf than grey.
Post by: bad arrow on December 16, 2010, 04:29:00 PM
Post by: SEMO_HUNTER on December 16, 2010, 05:21:00 PM
Maybe I'm just a green horn, maybe I don't have a clue what a coyote looks like, and I know there are exceptions to every rule.
And it's just completely out of the question that our own beloved department of conservation would ever go so far as to lie to us or even stretch the truth..... :rolleyes: :saywhat:
Post by: Friend on December 16, 2010, 05:27:00 PM
Post by: 30coupe on December 16, 2010, 05:34:00 PM
Nope that's definitely not a wolf. It just resembles one in size and shape, but it can't be a wolf because the Missouri DNR says it's not a wolf. Wolves are protected in Missouri because there aren't any.
Oh, did I mention I have a large tract of beach front property just north of Phoenix that I would like to sell?
Sorry, but my BS detector went off on that one.
I am in complete agreement with Semo on this one. I've hunted them in Iowa for 40+ years and have never seen one that large. I did see a wolf in Minnesota though and the similarities to those pictures is truly striking.
Post by: jsweka on December 16, 2010, 05:48:00 PM
Here's an example.
(http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/WorldTallestManMeetsWorldShortestManhGsuJnWXDMFl.jpg)
Would you argue that these two individuals are of different species? They sure look different. I'm pretty sure genetic analysis would say they are both Homo sapiens. But that DNA black magic has to be wrong because they look so different. -Bull.
Genetic analysis is the best way to identify a species. If MDC had the analysis done and it says it's a coyote, I have to believe it. I agree it doesn't look like any coyote I've ever seen, but as I said above you can't always go by what a critter looks like.
Post by: -Achilles- on December 16, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
Alot of coyote (Canis latrans) experts on here.LOL...But
Lets not forget redwolves(Canis rufus).They are just like a coyote just a lil bigger and can weigh close to 100 pounds and I'm pretty sure they have been known to breed with grey wolves as it seems like I read that some where.They are endangered.Some of you probably shot 1 and thought it was a big coyote.
So there is another possibility.
Post by: Mark Baker on December 16, 2010, 06:47:00 PM
For years here officials denied wolves were living in Yellowstone (before the reintroduction and long after they were trapped and killed out earlier in the 1900's) and yet several sightings routinely occured every year. As a local and young zoology major, I saw a wolf in Yellowstone in the 70's. There is no mistaking wolves from coyotes here....but the agenda was to get wolves reintroduced. Of course that injected a lot of $$$$ into their USFWS coffers and gave several folks lifetime careers here did'nt it? The truth is they could'nt reintroduce this species if they acknowledged the return of wolves "naturally" to the ecosystem. It's all about agendas and money, or at least a lot of it is.
Like a lot of you, I've killed quite a few coyotes, and never seen one ever approach 100lbs....even the biggest ones killed by me or by my friends. And last I checked, MT is about as far north as you can get in the lower 48.
100 pounds...truth be told...is actually about as big as most wolves will get. Some get bigger, but that is a big dog.
Post by: Bobby Urban on December 16, 2010, 07:36:00 PM
As far as coyotes taking dogs - I was stump shooting with my dog one time and we came upon a lone coyote. It saw my dog first and they stood watching each other for a few seconds like two dogs do - kind of sizing eash other up from about 20yards. Then the coyote started away slowly with a limping, wounded gate. I watched as my dog started after it and quickly yelled to call him off. This is the first the coyote saw or knew of me being there and he took off like a shot - no limp at all. I am absolutely convinced his plan was to lure my dog into a pack or group and take him out. This all took 60-90 seconds and was a real eye opener for me.
Bob Urban
Post by: 30coupe on December 16, 2010, 07:45:00 PM
Let's do a little math here. The tallest human EVER was Robert Wadlow, an amazing 8'11.1" tall. The average male is 5'9.7" tall, so Wadlow was 53.5% taller than average.
The average coyote weighs 18-46 pounds. So if we use the 46 pound weight, this rather lean "coyote" was 226% larger than average. The largest coyote on record weighed 74.75 pounds. That means this specimen was about 39% heavier that the LARGEST known coyote. If we were to use your human example we'd have a man (or woman) who was roughly 12'5" tall. Wouldn't the NBA scouts go nuts over that one! If our hypothetical human were as much larger than the average human male as this critter is to the average coyote he/she would be just over 13'1" tall. The coyote equivalent or Robert Waldow would weigh between 28 and 70 pounds, so the 74.75 pounder was a real monster.
Are you starting to grasp why some of us are a bit skeptical of the identification of that critter as a coyote?
MDC better be in contact with the Guiness Book of World Records because they just smashed one. Maybe Ripley's Believe It or Not would be more appropriate.
Post by: jsweka on December 16, 2010, 08:06:00 PM
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Post by: SEMO_HUNTER on December 16, 2010, 08:16:00 PM
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Originally posted by 30coupe:Amen!! Perfect Analogy.....Thank You!! :clapper:
jsweka,
Let's do a little math here. The tallest human EVER was Robert Wadlow, an amazing 8'11.1" tall. The average male is 5'9.7" tall, so Wadlow was 53.5% taller than average.
The average coyote weighs 18-46 pounds. So if we use the 46 pound weight, this rather lean "coyote" was 226% larger than average. The largest coyote on record weighed 74.75 pounds. That means this specimen was about 39% heavier that the LARGEST known coyote. If we were to use your human example we'd have a man (or woman) who was roughly 12'5" tall. Wouldn't the NBA scouts go nuts over that one! If our hypothetical human were as much larger than the average human male as this critter is to the average coyote he/she would be just over 13'1" tall. The coyote equivalent or Robert Waldow would weigh between 28 and 70 pounds, so the 74.75 pounder was a real monster.
Are you starting to grasp why some of us are a bit skeptical of the identification of that critter as a coyote?
MDC better be in contact with the Guiness Book of World Records because they just smashed one. Maybe Ripley's Believe It or Not would be more appropriate.
Now......Who else wants to call BS?? Anybody?
If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck.......well then it must be a Wolf?
Post by: 30coupe on December 16, 2010, 08:17:00 PM
I don't disbelieve DNA evidence. I do disbelieve government agencies. If you read the article it is full of contradictory information. Also, if you do some research on canis rufus (red wolf) you will find that DNA test on them come back as coyote most of the time and grey wolf some of the time, indicative of hybridization. Even the MDC article mentions speculation that this is a hybrid. So they come out and call it a coyote, then they admit it might not be a true coyote in their own article.
Since wolves are protected in MO (even though they aren't there) they would have had to charge the hunter with killing a protected species. Calling it a coyote means no charges need be filed, so everybody is happy. It's BS, but everybody's happy.
Post by: Covey on December 16, 2010, 08:17:00 PM
Post by: SEMO_HUNTER on December 16, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
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Originally posted by jsweka:Dude we are talking about a coyote versus a wolf, not a murder trial. Just because the state government claims the DNA test confirmed it's a coyote doesn't mean it's the gospel.
30coupe - I gave that example just to illustrate that there is a lot of variation in the size of a species. Yes, a 104# coyote is way larger than average and very hard to believe. Maybe the dang thing had a pituitary gland abnormality which caused it to over produce growth hormone and that's the reason why it's so big and doesn't look like your typical coyote. But if the genetic analysis idicates that it is a coyote, I have to believe it is a coyote. We sentence people to death or set them free based on DNA analysis and the labratory procedures are exactly the same whether it is a human,bird, fish, or coyote in this case.
Well......in a perfect world....yes it would be.
I would ask for the "coyote" back myself and then call Ripley's......and the Guiness Book!!
Get me a paycheck! :jumper:
Post by: SEMO_HUNTER on December 16, 2010, 08:22:00 PM
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Originally posted by 30coupe:Wow, man you are on a roll! Once again....you just smacked the nail right on the head! :knothead:
jsweka,
I don't disbelieve DNA evidence. I do disbelieve government agencies. If you read the article it is full of contradictory information. Also, if you do some research on canis rufus (red wolf) you will find that DNA test on them come back as coyote most of the time and grey wolf some of the time, indicative of hybridization. Even the MDC article mentions speculation that this is a hybrid. So they come out and call it a coyote, then they admit it might not be a true coyote in their own article.
Since wolves are protected in MO (even though they aren't there) they would have had to charge the hunter with killing a protected species. Calling it a coyote means no charges need be filed, so everybody is happy. It's BS, but everybody's happy.
I'll just shut up and let you handle the particulars from now on.
Post by: -Achilles- on December 16, 2010, 08:27:00 PM
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Post by: kennym on December 16, 2010, 09:55:00 PM
There could be several reasons to downplay the issue,probably the most important is to keep the public panic down.
At any rate,if I happen to shoot a 104#er,I plan to take many pics,run a metal detector over it, then a geiger counter,then call the MDC to see if it is truly a yote. :D
Now then.......... :archer2:
Post by: Hot Hap on December 17, 2010, 02:17:00 AM
Post by: Don Stokes on December 17, 2010, 06:25:00 AM
Whatever it is called, that is one big canine!
Post by: dirtguy on December 17, 2010, 06:31:00 AM
In every species there are extreme examples of size.
Not impossible that it was a coyote.
In terms of them getting bolder - they are around here. A couple of years ago I found one eating a fawn in my neighbor's driveway just after sunrise.
Post by: Bonebuster on December 17, 2010, 07:07:00 AM
If the MDC is relaying ANYTHING but the TRUTH to the public on ANY aspect of this story, it is truely SCARY.
Anything but the TRUTH told to the public leaves us where?
Post by: 30coupe on December 17, 2010, 07:26:00 AM
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Originally posted by Bonebuster:It leaves us where we were in Iowa when we didn't have mountain lions...according to the DNR. That was in spite of sightings, tracks, and scat. We don't have a lot of them, but we do have them. If the critter in Missouri is a red wolf type of hybrid, the DNA could very well come back as coyote. If that is the case MDC isn't entirely lying. They just aren't telling the truth. Even their own article is crafted in such a way as to leave room for doubt.
If this animal IS a coyote according to DNA testing, it is amazing.
If the MDC is relaying ANYTHING but the TRUTH to the public on ANY aspect of this story, it is truely SCARY.
Anything but the TRUTH told to the public leaves us where?
Weight is not the entire equation in this case. The pictures show a relatively thin or rangy animal. If its weight was truly 104 pounds, it had to be MUCH taller than a coyote. That thing wasn't obese. Not in the least! Nor did it appear to suffer from any of the maladies normally associated with giantism in humans (note the crutch in the posted picture).
Heaven help us if we all begin to believe everything coming from a government agency is the truth!
Post by: Mudd on December 17, 2010, 07:35:00 AM
There is a Red Wolf project that's been going on here for years now. They have a special enclosure for them somewhere near St Louis( a little south and west of there)I wish my memory was better so I could give you more concrete details.
Even as the crow flies it's a long ways from where this "yote" was shot.
God bless,Mudd
PS:Check this out,http://www.wildcanidcenter.org/Home/default.htm
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Post by: -Achilles- on December 18, 2010, 12:29:00 AM
Post by: SEMO_HUNTER on December 18, 2010, 12:39:00 AM
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Originally posted by -Achilles-:Coyote season is only closed for a short while during spring turkey season, then opens right back up immediately afterward.
Legal or not I don't know any hunters that don't shoot coyotes in season or not.They would have to be endangered before I wouldnt shoot one.
That's doesn't stop anybody from killing them during turkey season though. That's when lots of them are shot just because so many hunters are in the woods at that time.......same goes for deer season, more hunters in the woods with guns and bows.
There are still a few of us die hards that go out during fall, winter, and even summer specifically to hunt for the mangy, deer killin' critters.
Studies have shown that coyote eat more newborn fawns than originally expected, they also destroy the spring hatch for ground nesting birds.....the eat more eggs than birds.
I like my turkey, deer, and rabbits........so coyote are always on my to do list.
Post by: Longbow Jake on December 18, 2010, 06:54:00 AM
Post by: Precurve on December 18, 2010, 07:15:00 AM
Dave
Post by: highpoint forge on December 18, 2010, 02:02:00 PM
Can you say pissed off dog owner?
Post by: buckeye_hunter on December 18, 2010, 02:12:00 PM
I have seen many coyotes and NEVER one that looked like that. He looked like a wolf to me..... Just sayin'
If I had shot that, I would honestly say I shot a wolf or someone's mix breed.
Just my 2 cents.. Did you guys get to see the pic? Here is the link.
http://www.kmbc.com/r/26121874/detail.html
Post by: highpoint forge on December 18, 2010, 02:22:00 PM