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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: OkKeith on December 19, 2010, 11:13:00 PM
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I am looking to invest in some sort of gizmo to shape the turkey feathers I have been collecting.
Feather burners look cool and provide various shapes and sizes but are high doller (for me anyways). The choppers are less expensive but, as I understand them, are limited on size and shape for each unit.
What is the better investment? If I get the burner it whacks a good part of my "Just for Fun Things" account. To cover my fletching needs and Lisa's (5 inch for me, 4 for her) I would need two choppers.
Up until now I have purchased all my feathers pre-cut. Now I have a whole bunch of turkey wing feathers to use.
What does everyone think?
OkKeith
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You can purchase feather choppers for about 20.00 each. Mike at the nocking point sells them. I have used them for years and they work great. Never tried the burners.
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I havent used them yet but just saw a chopper called "The Little Chopper" and think they were $20 bucks a piece.$40 bucks for two of them would still probably be cheaper than a burner.But thats just my unexperienced opinion,im just getting started with arrow working.
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For me I like a burner,I just was never really satisfied with a chopper.Inconsistent cuts depending on the quill.I think it comes down to how much you want to do.I bought a chopper years ago,did 3 dozen feathers,just wasn't happy with them.Then I bought my burner,still going after 15 years of use.With a chopper you are limited to one style or size.With a burner you are unlimited,but will cost more in the begining.
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I use the chopper, am satisfied with how it works. I have several different shapes, you can also modify them to get lower feather shapes etc. A feather burner would be nice too but i have neighbors and they might not like the smell of burning turkey feathers and I also like to live in the area also!!!
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It's kind of a toss up.
I normally use choppers and have a small pile of the critters. But then, for my purposes, where I have to duplicate feather shapes from one set of arrow to another, that's what works best for me.
Burners give you pretty unlimited shapes and removes the uneven cuts that choppers occasionally give. But they are more expensive.
I think you'll have to look at your requirements to see what works best for you. You mention having to do two lengths of fletch, but will you be satisfied with only two shapes (two choppers)? As soon as you buy a third chopper to get another feather shape you'll be nearing the cost of a burner.
Ultimately, it's going to be a decision on what will work best for you, not me, not Fred, and not Harry... you.
Sorry, raining like crazy today and I've got cabin fever.
Guy
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I have used both and really got good results with both. Me, I lean towards the burner for its versatility. Thats when I was doing arrows and feathers for other folks.
But your question on investment if I was just doing it for myself and used only one style I would use the chopper.
Earl
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burners - customisable, smokey and stinky, but quiet
choppers - non-customisable, no smoke or stink, but noisy
take yer pick, they'll both get the job done right.
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I like to burn because I can do any shape I want but it is stinky and you almost always scald part of your cap dip or crest on an arrow or two(at least I do) I have 4 burners so I can be set up four different styles and sizes w/o changing wires. Another cheap option is cutting with scissors. You can make a pattern with stiff cardboard or better yet, tin. Epoxy the pattern to a pinch clamp and cut them with scissors or a razor blade. If you make the pattern from tin you can actually clamp, cut close and wave a torch across the edge to get a real smooth fletch. Just another option on a budget. I have also fletched arrows and just eyeballed the cut with scissors after the arrows are glued up with relatively good results. With a steady hand it is not that tough. Your arrows fly fine and the deer never complain that they are being shot with slightly less than perfect fletching.
Bob Urban
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Like Greg said, it's a personal thing. Saying that, I bought a burner a few months ago and I think it's the best thing since sliced bread. No more chopping for me!
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I prefer the burner so I can make my own design and feel special. It is fun and easy.
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I like a chopper can live with a little inconsistent cut sometimes. My wife gets
really unhappy when I use a burner...
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Little chopper!
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Used both. Burning is much easier to change shapes & use overall. If you use it in the house, you'll catch Hell from the stink.
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I've choped for 25 years.But your limited to shaps so I burnwhen I need to. But befer to chop when I can.
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IMHO Get a burner. Burners can have unlimited shapes and sizes and are not wing specific as most choppers are. The banana chopper is the only one not wing specific.
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so far i just use scissors. i have been tossing around the idea of using some leftover nichrome wire to make a burner , but have held off cause i know what burning feathers smells like from tying flies...
just like everything else , its all personal preference. if i was going to buy something , it would be whatever was the most versatile. that would be a burner...
-hov
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Inconsistency on the choppers bothers me some, but I'll readily admit that I may be a little too particular in that area.
Having said that, a chopper can be way more flexible in sizes, etc. if you are willing to be a little creative.
First off, although they are marked as either LW or RW, I routinely cut both from my LW chopper and can't see where it makes any difference.
Secondly, mine is a 5.5" shield, but I can make about any length shield cut using it fairly easily. I'll put the feather to the "front" of the chopper to cut the height or profile, then move it back to the rear to cut the back profile. I've put some marks on mine so I know where to hold the leading edge of the feather to get the desired length. I've done dozens of 4" shield for my kid's arrows like this.
So, again, with some creativity they can be fairly flexible.
Having said all of that, I mostly use die cuts, and am saving some turkey feathers for the day I finally get a burner.
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I have both the choppers and a burner. I've used the choppers for years with good results, but I have been progressing toward a lot of spliced feathers for my own arrows. The burner is much easier than trying to line up pieces that have been cut. I think that over a few years you may be happier with the options a burner gives you. Extra wires give unlimited shapes and sizes.
Also my wife must be the only one who doesn't care if I burn indoors. It doens't bother her at all.
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This has been a HUGE amount of information. I still haven't figured out what I'm gonna do yet though.
I have looked at the "Little Chopper" brand and others. They all look pretty solid and have good reviews. Some of you have mentioned occasional problems with inconsitancy. What does this entail? I worked pretty hard at collecting all these feathers. I sure would hate to bugger any of them.
What brands of burners have a reliable reputation? How often do they burn-out? Do the wires burn up? Somebody mentioned scorching cap-dips and cresting. Is this a common occurance? I know NOTHING about these things.
Like I said, I'm still on the fence.
Thanks VERY MUCH for all the advice.
OkKeith
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For me I don't like the smell of burned feathers.
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The good thing about a chopper is it's fast. But, even with the best chopped feather, if you don't pay attention to placeing the feather on the shaft, you will often get uneven fletching around the shaft. The burner is going to give you exactly the same feather lenth, and front to back all the way around the shaft every time. I still use a burner on my arrows just because I can get the exact shape I want every time.
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On the chopper, if the quill (base) of the feather bends before it's cut, the front end of the feather will have a strange shape. I can usually fix it by putting the cut fletch back in the chopper and carefully aligning it so just that strange part is trimmed. I also keep a pair of small, sharp scissors on my fletching jig table to trim little doo-doos. As I've gotten better at chopping I have less problems like this.
It's for this reason that I like Gateway feathers. The Gateway bases are not ground as wide as Trueflight bases and I do not have the same issue with them. I'll use both brands, but tend to chop Gateway easier.
Guy
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It takes a lot longer to chop my way, but the results are much better than anyway I have come up with yet. If you lay the feather down good along the base and just lay the chopper blade on the quill, I take a very thin, really shart exacto knive and lay it right beside the cutting blade and cut the quill, allowing the cutting blade to lay right on the feather itself. I don't let the cutting blade do my quill, and this gives the front and back cut of the quill the same angle as the chopper itself....just for what it's worth and my opinion.
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Watch **** and a burner will show up. I chopped for a lot of years. I will only burn now. Nice consistent arrows that are all the same.
Do not burn feathers in the house and throw away the trimmings when finished to keep the smell down. Do not burn in garage if wind carries smell into kitchen. Wife or others will complain and you will be in the doghouse.
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Killdeer
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Oh, that's how ya do it!
Microwave the feathers, then burn them!
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This is rough! I'm NOT the kind of guy who has trouble making decisions.
I sure thank everyone for the input. I'll figure out what I want eventually.
OkKeith
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I have finally managed to make a decision.
I am DEFINITLY going to buy either a chopper or a burner.
That's as far as I have got so far.
OkKeith
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Have heard others comment about a burner burning the cap paint on the shaft ??? Just looking at them I could see where that could happen if the wire is not bent at a sharp angle away from the shaft and not along it......I can also see where you might have scrap pieces of feather barbs if you do not bend the wire close enough to the shaft ?
Never seen a feather burner in action. How long does it take to burn a feather ? Is it immediate and then you spin to the next feather ? How do you get rid of the black burnt edge on the feather ?
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Search for feather burner and there is a post called "Custom Feather Burnalong". That gentleman has the right idea. Thanks, Travis.
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Question: When using a burner, I assume you have to cut the feather (the base) to the lenght you want before gluing to the shaft and then burn? Thanks.
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This may answer some questions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4fYFLEuGEA
Guy
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I got a burner, bought it used for $60.00 and I have 4 ribbons for different shapes and sizes of cuts. However, My wife screams every time I burn, but not for long as the smell dissipates quickly. I have always wondered how long the choppers last. Just my 2cents :coffee:
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Some of my choppers are probably eight or nine years old now and I use them pretty regularly. I haven't noticed any degradation in their performance or cutting ability.
Guy