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Title: Can you ID this skull?
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on March 14, 2011, 07:48:00 PM
I found this while Rabbit hunting with a buddy of mine Bowspirit last fall.  I'm quite sure I know what it is, Figured I would share and allow some guesses.

Funny the only rabbit we saw was sitting at our feet while we were taking a break in open woods. We had some stump shooting fun though.

   (http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m637/cjohntalk/1300146222.jpg)

   (http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m637/cjohntalk/1300146221.jpg)

   (http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m637/cjohntalk/1300146215.jpg)

   (http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m637/cjohntalk/1300146214.jpg)
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Post by: wv lungbuster on March 14, 2011, 07:53:00 PM
Looks kind of like a bobcat skull.
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Post by: wooddamon1 on March 14, 2011, 07:55:00 PM
I agree...
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Post by: doug77 on March 14, 2011, 07:56:00 PM
Jason, was thinking the same thing but the teeth seen to big.

doug77
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Post by: Izzy on March 14, 2011, 08:00:00 PM
A big old bobcat. Whats the story?
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Post by: GMASIUK on March 14, 2011, 08:00:00 PM
x4 on the bobcat
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Post by: YORNOC on March 14, 2011, 08:02:00 PM
Yeah, teeth are too thick to be a small cat.
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Post by: Gottabow on March 14, 2011, 08:03:00 PM
Bobcat..absolutly
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Post by: L82HUNT on March 14, 2011, 08:04:00 PM
Bobcat and resting on one of the greatest reads ever.
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Post by: Shedrock on March 14, 2011, 08:04:00 PM
X5 on bobcat
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Post by: alex m on March 14, 2011, 08:06:00 PM
from the size of the choppers I'd guess a wolverine.  It's a powerful built skull, anyway. I wouldn't want it to grab the back of my neck.
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on March 14, 2011, 08:08:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Izzy:
A big old bobcat. Whats the story?
Here I thought it was a cheetah!    :rolleyes:  

I guess this one was too easy.   :readit:

.  In a few days we were supposed to head to Rays. Bowspirit was dropping off his belongings headed south in Bear Misser's van.

We got in a few hours of stumping and rabbit hunting.

Not much story Izzy, I came busting out of some brush late December There it was laying on the ground on its side.
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Post by: 30pointbuck on March 14, 2011, 08:09:00 PM
Bobcat.
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Post by: YORNOC on March 14, 2011, 08:09:00 PM
Good guess on the wolverine but I have a couple. The eye sockets are too big and the skull is too round.  Those BIG thick teeth are throwing me off. Even a young cougar would have thinner teeth.  If it is a bobcat, he was king.
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Post by: doug77 on March 14, 2011, 08:09:00 PM
I still say the teeth are way to big for a bobcat, they look bigger than the 2 bear skulls I have in my room
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Post by: Izzy on March 14, 2011, 08:12:00 PM
With Bowspirits name mentioned I might have guessed domestic house cat. He does have a fondness for hunting less than wild beasts. Any white hairs found close by the skull? How bout a pink collar and bell?   :p
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Post by: YORNOC on March 14, 2011, 08:16:00 PM
Adult male bobcat.  Same shape but those teeth!!!!


 (http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab246/yornoc/bobcat.png)
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Post by: Izzy on March 14, 2011, 08:22:00 PM
Cerval maybe? They used to sell them here in a Latham pet shop.
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Post by: highpoint forge on March 14, 2011, 08:24:00 PM
Bobcat.
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Post by: Bonebuster on March 14, 2011, 08:32:00 PM
Saber toothed Bobcat.
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Post by: Plumber on March 14, 2011, 08:37:00 PM
bear cub ?
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Post by: wv lungbuster on March 14, 2011, 08:42:00 PM
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Originally posted by Bonebuster:
Saber toothed Bobcat.
:biglaugh:
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Post by: Ray Hammond on March 14, 2011, 09:14:00 PM
spotted mountain gorilla
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Post by: bolong on March 14, 2011, 09:17:00 PM
Not sure but not a bobcat.
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Post by: Tom1954 on March 14, 2011, 09:21:00 PM
DANG!!!!  You found my ex!
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Post by: JimB on March 14, 2011, 09:37:00 PM
It is a bobcat.Pictures distort perspective some but from the looks of the canines,it is a mature one.Without measurements,I couldn't say whether it is male or female.
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Post by: Bowspirit on March 14, 2011, 09:47:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Izzy:
With Bowspirits name mentioned I might have guessed domestic house cat. He does have a fondness for hunting less than wild beasts. Any white hairs found close by the skull? How bout a pink collar and bell?    :p  
Never did have any experiances with cat, Izzy. But in all seriousness I once had an uncle who talked of how easy it was to prepare in the kitchen.   :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Friend on March 14, 2011, 09:55:00 PM
Appears to be a bobbed tail kitty

Possibly a Canadian Lynx

Maybe it is just 'Ole eat em alive'
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on March 14, 2011, 10:23:00 PM
Meow!   :readit:
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Post by: SEMO_HUNTER on March 14, 2011, 10:38:00 PM
I was going to say large adult bobcat or small mt. lion, maybe a half grown adolescent?
Do you all have mt. lions or cougars up there?

I'd almost bet with 90% certainty that it's a feline of some sort. Hard to say without actually holding it in my hands, like another member said already pictures distort the actual size and shape a bit.
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Post by: John Dill on March 14, 2011, 10:58:00 PM
A bobcat or a pug nose dog(LOL)
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Post by: 1oldbowguy on March 14, 2011, 11:07:00 PM
I have seen lots of Bobcats and none have ever had anything close to those choppers.  If it were a cat he was a record book bobcat for sure.  We have a 45 lb bobcat at the local  game and fish fish hatchery and he is not even close to those teeth.  Don't think it is bobcat at all.
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Post by: Duncan on March 14, 2011, 11:24:00 PM
Boston Terrier!
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Post by: JMartin on March 14, 2011, 11:30:00 PM
Bobcat.
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Post by: fireball31 on March 14, 2011, 11:36:00 PM
Lynx Skull (http://www.flickr.com/photos/galleriejc/5167524786/)  

Hope the link worked. I'm going with lynx, matches the teeth a lot better.
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Post by: Greg Dearth on March 14, 2011, 11:56:00 PM
I was thinking bobcat until fireball31 said lynx. It sure looks like a cat scull for sure. May be a lynx ?
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Post by: steadman on March 14, 2011, 11:57:00 PM
bobcat
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Post by: L. E. Carroll on March 15, 2011, 12:37:00 AM
Just went up stairs and brought one down to compare........I was thinking Bobcat.  Even though mine was a Tom that scaled 40#,  the 'canine teeth' are somewhat smaller... So even though I have never seen or handled one, I'll agree with Lynx.    :dunno:  

Gene
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Post by: YORNOC on March 15, 2011, 06:51:00 AM
Chupacabra Charlie.  Has a nice ring to it.
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on March 15, 2011, 10:13:00 AM
I was thinking Bobcat all along.  They get huge around here.

I'm not sure lynx are around here but then again, Maybe the Bobcats I've seen are really lynx  :dunno: . When I say they are huge, I'm talking HUGE.

Maybe IndianaBowman will chime in. He shot a bigun with his bow a couople years ago.
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Post by: KentuckyTJ on March 15, 2011, 10:31:00 AM
Black Panther fo sho.
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Post by: JimB on March 15, 2011, 10:57:00 AM
It is a bobcat.The canines are nubbed off a little.That and a little wide angle picture distortion make them look big.Lynx actually have smaller canines than bobcats.A bobcat has to really get some age to have canines nubbed off like that.Older cat's canines are also thicker at the base.You don't often get to see cats that old.
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Post by: J. Oles on March 15, 2011, 11:25:00 AM
Tom Bobcat
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Post by: BoonRoto on March 15, 2011, 12:02:00 PM
Looks like a Bobcat to me. Also, I really enjoy the author of the book it is on, good stuff.
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Post by: Covey on March 15, 2011, 12:09:00 PM
I'd have to aggree with some of the others, tom  bobcat. Either that or a saber tooth!!    :D    Those are some big snags!

Jason
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Post by: SEMO_HUNTER on March 15, 2011, 12:12:00 PM
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Originally posted by fireball31:
 Lynx Skull (http://www.flickr.com/photos/galleriejc/5167524786/)  

Hope the link worked. I'm going with lynx, matches the teeth a lot better.
Yep, I think you just nailed it.
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Post by: longarrow on March 15, 2011, 12:18:00 PM
I would say a BIG, OLD tom bobcat. It would have to be BIG & OLD. But it could very well be a lynx. All of them are related!
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Post by: IndianaBowman on March 15, 2011, 12:23:00 PM
Charlie, I just got the skull back from the taxidermist recently. It is definitely a feline. I'll look at my skull and see what the canines look like. I know they are big, but those are thick.
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Post by: Spectre on March 15, 2011, 12:42:00 PM
http://www.naturealmanac.com/archive/cougar/blynx.html

 See the map on this interesting page.
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Post by: Benchmade111 on March 15, 2011, 12:44:00 PM
I'm not sure but maybe a Couger
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Post by: fireman_3311 on March 15, 2011, 01:54:00 PM
My guess is bobcat as well. Those teeth may be loose, making them fall some and appear larger.

Here's some pics of one I have

 (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b147/fireman_3311/071.jpg)

 (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b147/fireman_3311/072.jpg)

 (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b147/fireman_3311/073.jpg)

 (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b147/fireman_3311/074.jpg)
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Post by: YORNOC on March 15, 2011, 03:57:00 PM
I'm with JimB about the lynx. They have smaller, shorter  teeth than the bobcat... I've had both skulls here side by side.
Whichever it is, damn cool thing to find.
 BIG MEDICINE!
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Post by: highpoint forge on March 15, 2011, 05:12:00 PM
Looks like the teeth loosened in the palate/skull and you are seeing bases that normall would not be so evident, plus that might be a really old cat.....as Fireman said. Makes sense to me.
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Post by: Thumper Dunker on March 15, 2011, 05:42:00 PM
Panathore.  :rolleyes:  . Bob cat or lynx.
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Post by: huntmaster80 on March 15, 2011, 06:00:00 PM
has to be a bobcat?
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Post by: CEO on March 15, 2011, 06:36:00 PM
Bobcat or lynx depending or where it was found. Bobcat have 14 upper teeth, but I think Lynx do also.
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Post by: IndianaBowman on March 15, 2011, 07:56:00 PM
Charlie, it looks very similar to the one I have here, but those are thicker. I think it is just a big old bobcat.
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Post by: JimB on March 15, 2011, 08:16:00 PM
You don't see many really old bobcats.I've trapped them for about 30 years and have been mounting all kinds of cats for about as long.Canines grow from the base so they get thicker as they get older but most that you will ever see are more slender.A friend who is a retired government trapper commented the other day that you don't see many bobcats with badly worn canines.I agree.few get old enough.

The first two pictures exaggerate the size because the canines are closer to the camera and most cameras have wide angle lenses.When you look at the side view,the canines are more proportionate.I still think it was an old cat.

Massachusetts has no lynx and lynx don't have large canines like that.A pretty neat find.I don't remember ever finding a bobcat skull though fox and coyotes aren't to uncommon.
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Post by: GREASEMAN on March 15, 2011, 08:44:00 PM
Bobcat maybe,but possibly a Lynx.
The canines are extremely large for a Bobcat or a Lynx
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Post by: J.Williams on March 15, 2011, 09:40:00 PM
Big bobcat.Don't think lynx venture that far south in the northeast,do they?
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Post by: NYArrow on March 16, 2011, 06:00:00 AM
Nice find. Misleading whatever it is.
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Post by: reddust on March 16, 2011, 06:34:00 AM
Bobcat
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Post by: bgbuck153 on March 16, 2011, 08:10:00 AM
"Saber tooth crotch cricket"
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Post by: the longbowkid on March 16, 2011, 04:39:00 PM
most definitely a dog. looks like a breed with a short snout. but no doubt due to the canines and size.
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Post by: don s on March 16, 2011, 05:28:00 PM
my guess is a skunk.don
                   http://www.mnh.si.edu/lewisandclark/popup.cfm?type=species&id=48
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Post by: Adirondackman on March 16, 2011, 05:56:00 PM
Charlie - That book that you mounted the Skull on is a great read and should get you fired up for this years Elk hunt.
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on March 16, 2011, 06:10:00 PM
John,

In 2 weeks after my hog hunt, Elk will be all I will be able to think about.   ;)
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Post by: rraming on March 16, 2011, 07:37:00 PM
Coyote
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Post by: buckster on March 16, 2011, 08:34:00 PM
Gary Busey's ancestors?
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Post by: lpcjon2 on March 17, 2011, 12:35:00 PM
I saw this thread and had to add these pics. I found this about 20 yrds off the road,I think it's a house cat. You can tell they are from the same species.
 (http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv19/lpcjon2/skull3.jpg)
 (http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv19/lpcjon2/skull1.jpg)
I never saw a bobcat in Jersey, neat how similar they are.
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Post by: tradshooter on March 17, 2011, 04:50:00 PM
I'm going to go with a big Tom Bobcat. He was definitely the man, until he used up number nine life!
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Post by: jcarter on March 17, 2011, 05:33:00 PM
I haven't read all the posts and I am sure you have told what it is, but first guess is a Bobby, the canines look awfully large and the eye sockets look much bigger than that of a bobby so maybe Lynx?
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Post by: JamesJamison on March 17, 2011, 05:46:00 PM
Reckon it might be Jimmy HOffa?, lol.
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Post by: TxAg on March 18, 2011, 12:14:00 AM
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Originally posted by the longbowkid:
most definitely a dog. looks like a breed with a short snout. but no doubt due to the canines and size.
most definitely NOT a dog!
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Post by: Northwoods on March 18, 2011, 12:48:00 AM
among cats, lynx have a unique dental formula.  Most felines have dentition of i3.c1.p3.m1/3.1.2.1=30 while lynx have 3.1.2.1/3.1.2.1=28  (molars 1.1 are unique to cats)...canine have 3.1.4.2/3.1.4.3=42  

i=incisors c=canines p=premolars m=molars

if there are 3 premolars in the upper jaw, it is a bobcat, if there are only 2 lynx.

hope this helps

Ted
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Post by: alex m on March 18, 2011, 05:23:00 PM
Lynx??
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Post by: pruski on March 18, 2011, 06:13:00 PM
fishercat?
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on March 18, 2011, 08:32:00 PM
Looks like there were 3 pre-molars. one little, one large one medium size.
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Post by: LONGSTYKES on March 18, 2011, 08:54:00 PM
Lynx is what it is.
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Post by: TradDad on March 19, 2011, 01:28:00 AM
Chupacabra
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Post by: ScottV_7 on March 19, 2011, 11:14:00 AM
(http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac185/Ziggybeagle/billthecat.jpg)