Post by: seven crows on March 20, 2011, 02:45:00 PM
( ahh.....moving meditation). I own and shoot/shot Great Northerns, Hills, Thundersticks, Red wings and Bears. No Mohawks yet but they look great and price is right. Gonna be 62", elm and Osage, 46-48# @ 26.5, Straight grip.
DO I WANT A TRADITIONAL "HOWARD HILL" or A NEW "MOHAWK"???? ARRRRR!!! decisions decisions. But I think we can all agree one of the most important one's in life. "What honey? ... Oh nothin, just checking my email.
Thanks for opinions and help ahead of time.B
Post by: WESTBROOK on March 20, 2011, 02:59:00 PM
Where have I heard that before, not around here I'm sure!
Eric
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Post by: leatherneck on March 20, 2011, 04:02:00 PM
-R/D bow,Mohawk
-Straight stick bow,HH
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Post by: Swamp Yankee on March 20, 2011, 05:12:00 PM
In the meantime, if you have Red Wing recurves and Hill straight longbows; you already have what are among the best of those classes of bows. Try a Mohawk and see what a mild R/D bow is about; I think you'll be impressed.
After you get the professional help and admit you're hooked and need yet another bow, then try a Widow or Tomahawk full R/D and you'll have covered just about all the basis. Of course then you'll have to start all over again and buy one of each made with yew lams etc...
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Post by: bawana bowman on March 20, 2011, 06:06:00 PM
Since then I've bought my "last" 102# Bamabow Hunter, 2 Monarch Imperials 80# and 68#, and a Howatt stick, 55#. Not to mention a 55# Shrew also. They each had the distinction of being my "last" bow. :laughing:
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Post by: Friend on March 20, 2011, 06:28:00 PM
'D' shaped bows are my actual favorite to shoot although I don't shoot them as well. Just ran a couple of hundered arrows through a Mohawk over a few days last month. What a marvelous experience!
Don't have any experience with the 'Hills' but I know the Mohawk is a great bow.
My wife realizes that there is no last bow and looks at it as an opportunity. If I get a new bow, then she get something of equal or greater value.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 20, 2011, 06:33:00 PM
hill style longbows have narrow and deep limbs, with either some reflex, or straight, or follow, and brace to a "D" shape. as a result of their design, they are very stable, require longer bow lengths for a given draw length, and yes, you need to know how to shoot them to reduce the hand shock to a thump.
mohawk longbows have wider, thinner, trapped limbs with both mild limb reflex and riser deflex. as a result of r/d, they can be more efficient and pleasing in shorter lengths for a given draw length. they also brace to a "D" limb shape.
having owned and shot a gaggle of both bows ...
hills are aesthetically the most pleasing longbows, whether unbraced or braced. nothing sez 'trad archery/bowhunting' than a howard hill longbow and a quiver fulla woodies. i love 'em, i want 'em, i'll always have 'em.
however, 'hawks are much smoother on the draw and release with zero hand shock, while maintaining a good degree of 'stability' on the release. these bows simply exhibit more performance - faster arrow speeds, no shock or thump on release and they do like heavy arrows.
choose wisely - choose both.
as always, ymmv - as it should!
Post by: coaster500 on March 20, 2011, 06:58:00 PM
as for the last bow ? Yea right !!!!
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Post by: ArkyBob on March 20, 2011, 07:20:00 PM
BOB
Post by: Eric Sprick on March 20, 2011, 07:44:00 PM
Good luck and have fun! Eric.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 21, 2011, 09:54:00 AM
be aware of bow length versus draw length, this is very important. a good comparison of bow length/draw length for each bow type ...
'hawks - 60"/26"-27", 62"/27"-29", 64"/28"-29", 66"/29"-30", 68"/29"-31"
hills- 64"/26", 66"/27", 68"/28", 70"/28"-31"
in terms of smoothness of draw for my 29" draw length, my tembo is 70" and my #1 'hawk is 62" - both draw super smooth. going any lower in bow length for either bows would, and do, make for a far less smoother draw.
Post by: on March 21, 2011, 11:16:00 AM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:Rob....feelin better? I heard a flu bug beat you up a bit.
vince can and will shape a dead straight "hill handle", if that's yer preference. but it won't be a hill, that's for sure. :)
be aware of bow length versus draw length, this is very important. a good comparison of bow length/draw length for each bow type ...
'hawks - 60"/26"-27", 62"/27"-29", 64"/28"-29", 66"/29"-30", 68"/29"-31"
hills- 64"/26", 66"/27", 68"/28", 70"/28"-31"
in terms of smoothness of draw for my 29" draw length, my tembo is 70" and my #1 'hawk is 62" - both draw super smooth. going any lower in bow length for either bows would, and do, make for a far less smoother draw.
Wow those bow are way different...that is cool. you can enjoy both.
There is a nice Hawk in the Classifieds now
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Post by: tradlongbow on March 21, 2011, 02:01:00 PM
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Darren
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Post by: Mudd on March 21, 2011, 04:40:00 PM
God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Mudd on March 22, 2011, 12:03:00 AM
God bless,Mudd
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Post by: on March 22, 2011, 01:40:00 AM
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Originally posted by Ghost Dog:Dawg,
I have often heard guys say that a Hill bow is a "real" longbow. The fact is that Howard Hill experimented with bow design regularly. Who knows what he might have come up with if he was alive today. There are longbows today that out perform the standard Hill designs. That takes nothing away from Hill style bows, which I like very much, but they are not the end all, be all of longbows.
I agree with what you have said. If we look at this Hill phenomenon with eyes of "if" (design, materials, experimentation, etc) one would easily conclude that the Hill design is, in fact not the "end all - be all" of longbows.
What Mudd has said and I concur, is that the Hill bows as they "were" and Howard Hill as he "was" and what the Schultzs' of history "did" take a few of us beyond all reason to a point of passion.
For me it started a long time ago and, thanks to the "hill" guys here on TG (Especially Rob D, Nate S, Spanky, David Mitchell, etc) and the woppin' big thread of recent weeks I have felt that feelin' that I lost too many years ago. I have learned new things about the old things...it is a blast from the past...literally.
I'll never let it slip again...but that is just me.
Post by: Mudd on March 22, 2011, 08:25:00 AM
God bless, Mudd :archer:
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 22, 2011, 09:15:00 AM
'hawks and hill are simple flatbows. the main difference 'tween the two is the limb wiggle, or lack thereof. that snaking is what allows for a much shorter length 'hawk as opposed to the longer length required for a hill of the same draw length, and why the 'hawk is simply a "higher performing" longbow (meaning, faster arrow speeds with good "stability"). each of these bow designs have their strong points, but they are quite different in the hands, on the draw, and definitely on the release. choose both and have the best of all worlds.
Post by: Blueridge on March 22, 2011, 09:53:00 AM
If the Mohawk is that much better I may need one as my "last long bow" how would it rate against the Black Widow LAG?
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Post by: Hermon on March 22, 2011, 10:34:00 PM
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Originally posted by seven crows:Is he just not taking orders till he gets caught up or is something else going on?
Decision may be made for me, Mohawk is not taking orders at present.
Post by: Eric Sprick on March 22, 2011, 10:55:00 PM
My guess is that Vince is doing the wise thing and getting caught up and hopefully taking a well-deserved breather and getting some "me time".
Eric.
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Post by: Swamp Yankee on March 23, 2011, 09:11:00 AM
Post by: Blueridge on March 23, 2011, 10:36:00 AM
3 Hlll's
1 BW
1 old Bear Kodiak
1 Mohawk
should be enough
Post by: awbowman on March 24, 2011, 03:37:00 PM