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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Mike Vines on April 07, 2011, 12:59:00 PM
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Does anyone know where I might be able to find some bright red wood arrow stain? Everything I have is to dark for what I'm wanting to do. I want the bright red color, but still able to see the grain, so paint is not an option.
Would a fabric dye, or Kool-Aid work on cedar shafts?
Thanks in advance,
Mike
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Lots of guys use rit dye on wood.
I just looked at minwax and it doesn't look like they do.
If you don't like the rit idea shoot me a PM.
I might be able to mix you up an alcohol based stain that is bright red.
Just looked at the rit site.
They say to mix their dye with water for a wood stain. here is the link...
http://www.ritdye.com/dyeing-techniques/wood-wicker
also they have some fairly bright looking colors. Here is the color link with formulas for mixing their different dyes to make different shades.
http://www.ritdye.com/colorit_color_formula_guide
:thumbsup:
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Mike I use rit dye and a bottle of rubbing alchol. Just pour a pack of powdered rit dye into the bottle of alchol and shake it up. Apply with a rag. Might be an option.
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You can use the cheap acrylic craft paints from wally world. Water it down and wipe it on. At about $.40 a bottle you can't go wrong. Tom Parsons taught me that.
BTW, I haven't forgot your goose feathers. I'll pack some up this weekend.
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What Pac said!!!!... but make sure its the 91 percent and not the 70 percent (doesnt raise the grain as much and drys faster)
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Fiebing's Leather Dye.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Stumpkiller/Bowhunting/HPIM2065.jpg)
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I just did some with Rit and dentured alcohol turned out real nice grain shows thru too!
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I have used the pre-mixed red Rit dye and it works very well, but if you can get the Fiebings in the red I would say go that route. Cedar is an easy wood to stain, but the Fiebings will work really well on just about any wood.
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Leather Dye works great just be careful and read the instructions it can contain some nasty stuff.Definately use in a ventilated area.
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These were Fiebings Leather Dye.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/reddogge/Archery/IMG_0777.jpg)
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Another vote for leather dye, I use it on arrows as well as bow backs. Take a look at the Ox Blood red. I just did a rawhide backed yew bow with it and it is a cool color. I am going to do some shafts to match I like it so much.
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Originally posted by Tater 2:
Leather Dye works great just be careful and read the instructions it can contain some nasty stuff.Definately use in a ventilated area.
Fiebings is water based and very mild stuff. I think it's the old aniline type dye that is a little less pleasant to work with.
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Thanks for all the great ideas guys. I'm going to stop at Joe's (my way of saying Joann Fabrics in a manly way) after I go to Bass Pro tonight and see what they have for either rit or leather dye.
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Mike, I believe I used somethings named "lockwoods" stain. I will check when I get home. I live in Southeast Michigan. If you are close enough I will just give it to you. I have used it and it is really bright red.
Lou
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Transfast - aneline dye, I'll post a photo when I get home, brightest red you have ever seen
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ok guys just got off the phone with joanns fabric rit dye powder on sale 1.39 a pack
now the ? is after you use it with alcohol
what do you do next or are you done i have some ceder here and want to make some fluflus with it
do i put a top clear coat over it or just wipe and let dry done could you all post pics of your arrows with the rit alcohol wipe thanks
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your goint to want to put a clear coat over top of the stain, if you want your arrows to stay straight, and last longer.
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BTW the Fiebings I'm using is an analine dye, alcohol based. Both flammable and poisonous if ingested.
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I did a few and let them sit in the dye for about 20 min or so and when they dried I hit them with a little 120 grit sp then poly and steel wool to more times and then a final poly coat.
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b44mag
I dump the rit dye into a bottle of alchol, shake it up and apply it with a rag. It will only take a few minutes to dry. Next I use fine steel wool to buff it a bit and smooth it some. Apply another coat and continue the process until the stain is as rich and deep as I think I can get it.
When the staining is done I clearcoat/seal with 2 coats of polyurathane.
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Mike my local grocery store carries rit dye in the washing detergent aisle. Might check there next time you go vittle shopping.
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You could just shoot all your arrows through some critters...that oughta put a nice red stain on them... :thumbsup: :D
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The rit dye will work great. But just so you know too a red paint will work like a stain if you wipe it on and off and will seal the arrow at the same time.
It all depends on the look you want for your arrows.
If you get a red oil base paint and thin it down with a thinner of some sort it should work too, but the rit dye and alcohol is the cheaper way to go. Then just seal with a poly.
I don't recomend soaking your shafts but rather wipe on the dye. Moisture can worp the shaft and then you will have to straighten. Just use one shaft to try it on first, then when you get what your looking for do the same process to all the other shafts.
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(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm299/bowdart/001.jpg) I used Rit dye on these arrows. Royal blue for bottom and scarlet red for cap. That's my David Knight bow, Osage w/boo back.
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Wonder how that transfast would work on feathers. Ever tried it rraming?
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I did these sitka spruce with some Rit Dye and some of stringstretchers turkey feathers.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/Hatrick/Turkeyspruce1.jpg)
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Wow some great ideas here guy's i'll have to try the rit dye, what kind of alchol, to use??
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3 rivers alcohol based red stain is pretty good too.
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Never tried it on feathers - maybe next batch I will!
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This is just a thought as I do not know if it will work.
Take some white water base paint and mix it half water and half paint. Just rub some on and let dry. Sand lightly until the desired look you want, with the grain showing.
Then take some bright red (like you want) water base paint and mix it half water and half paint. Rub some on and let dry. The white base will make the red brighter. Lightly sand until the desired look you want, with the grain showing. It seems like a lot of work but great looking arrows should not be rushed.
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Mike,
Give Larry at Lost Nation a call or check out him out on the web. I was there this morning and pick up some of his stains. They are great and I pretty sure I saw what you are looking for. Todd
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I made some tonight with Rit and rubbing alcohol. I will try it out this weekend on some shafts
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im think minwax poly wipe after rit dye think it will work with out bleading the dye. i got the alcohol today heading to camp for weekend. turkey woods walk on sunday 70 and sunny so they say . then dinner with friends from the turkey hollar. joanns is on way home so ill stop in and get some kind of color i have pink fl feathers on way for spiral fluflus.
pink feathers and what color for shaft?
i was thinking maybe bright green or ?
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I have an ad running for Colorful, Quality Youth arrows in the sponsors classifieds if you'd like color ideas.
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powdered aniline dye stain, water mixed ...
(http://www.tradgang.com/rob/woodies/f19.jpg)
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Red and Green,,,,Christmas colors...I like'm :thumbsup: ,very nice!
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Very nice shafts Rob.
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I have used used Lockwood stains in bow making. They have a great selection of colors and types of stain. They can send "sample Packs" of stain for 10$ each, it will make up about a quart of stain. They are out in New York, only takes a few days to mail it to your door.
http://www.wdlockwood.com/
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Another vote for Fiebings Leather Dye!!
Make sure to post some pics when you finish
John
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Todd, thanks for the mention.
Mike, I do have a red stain but I also just picked up a red powdered stain for experimenting with and it is brighter than the alcohol based stain I sell. Still experimenting but it might be what you are looking for. I will be at the MBH banquet Saturday and Royal Oak Archers next weekend. If Jo Ann Fabrics doesn't have your answer, see me.
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I stained some shafts tonight with my mix of red Rit dye and 91% rubbing alcohol. I did 6 coats, and I'm literally impressed. Thank you to all of you who shared info for all of us wanting to try new ways.
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When I made custom arrows I did a lot of crown dipping with Rit dye dissolved in alcohol. Works great and the red comes out really nice.
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ok im trying sunshine orange on a broken fluflu cajun shaft and so far 4 coats rit dye/91%. its going to come out fine maybe 3 more coats. im going to find poly wipe and give it a try see how it looks before i do my first 6 arrows. hey does all the dye disolve. my bottle has some grit in the bottom. its a 16oz bottle i shake it up lil grit right to the bottom normal for rit/91%
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Rit dye is meant to be dissolved in water. When we mix it with denatured alcohol there is always a component of the dye that does not dissolve.
Guy
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thats what i thought thanks for the info