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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: BOWMARKS on April 22, 2011, 09:22:00 PM
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I must vote against Terry Greens last post on Ron Ollis. We as a club,group or what ever we are need the rules and regulations that have been used for all this time to be held firm to keep us clean and free of the SCUM that is trying to take us into the unreliable area that we would end up in. If it is needed I am sure there is a tusted member out there that would most likely take care of that position. Please help by posting your opinions in a better way then I know how to!!
P.S This all started on the "Ron Ollis scam update" thread with Terry's last post.
Thank You All Mark
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I'm fine with the way you said it.
Guy
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As someone new to traditional archery, this site has been a godsend... The wealth of knowledge, and the kindness of those on here is something Ive found to be extremely rare.
What I've seen is nothing short of brotherhood.
Keep it that way...
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bryan.
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I apologize to Terry and Rob and the rest of the members if My part in this has caused anyone undue stress and frustration. This is my second home, my "Facebook". I would hate to see the regs removed.
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I hope Terry reconsiders. It's nice to be able to trade and buy without worrying who is going to rip you off and cheat you. I don't buy a lot maybe a couple of times since I have been on here. But it's nice to know you have my back.
The rules you have are working very well. This is your site so set the rules, if people don't like it they know where the door is. I appreciate the work you and the mods are doing. The thing I like about this site is, it's for the whole family.
I would not worry about my wife or grand kids getting on here and reading or talking with anyone because of how it's monitored.
I guess what I am trying to say is don't let a couple people get to you, 99% of the members appreciate this site as it is. Sorry for being so long winded.
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First i agree with what you wrote.
I joined this group because yes it has knowledge but more important it has integrity. I know you must be frustrated but please don’t let stop you in your quest to keep this site as one of the best.
Thanks Robert
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I don’t get what’s so hard about a 100 posts or being asked to be responsible for what you post. I would like to think we are adults and should act accordingly.
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I am in 100% agreement with how Tradgang has been run in the past. My hats off to Terry and the Mods for their efforts. This is a private forum, and as such they can run it the way they want. I will continue to support them.
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Hey "T"...
You know I love this place and am all about keeping it a family safe place.
we (The Tradgang family) have to get out of the (this is all about me mode of thinking) and start putting our family good ahead of ourselves.
The rules are for the good of the whole.
So what if one or more rules creates a momentary problem for a couple people. (me included)
We can and will get over it if it means tradgang is the better for all of us.
God bless,Mudd
PS: I do hope that you know how very much we appreciate all that you and the moderators do to keep this site what it is, The very best out here!
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I vote to safe the rules also. This is my second home also and there has got to be rules in any house.
Sorry Terry. Love you man !!!
Editing my own post here: I also very much appreciate the time and effort all the moderators have put into this site. Without them, without everyone here, this site would not be what we all come here for.
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Yep, let's keep the rules. This is the best place around for trad archery and hunting; let's keep it that way.
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I would guess there is more work that goes into this site than any of us imagine.
I don't post much......thanks for the site.
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If someone was in my back yard and started poking me about my rules. I would not only let him know he needed to shut it. I would throw him off the property. This is Terry and the Mods back yard. Poke a man to often when he is performing an unnecessary and thankless task and he will quit doing it. Sounds like we all need to take a long deep breath and remember that.
As for Ron Ollis. Thieves are easy to handle. Old west style, get a rope!
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I hope cooler heads will prevail.
I think the silent majority would rather have the rules. It is what keeps this site going forward in a positive manner. Allowing the classifieds to "Run amuck" would be a dishonor to the site in which you, and every one of it's members, have created...A great place to come to getaway from everything in daily life and be with a bunch of like minded folks.
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TG did not come this far by accident...and will survive... and grow because of careful and thoughtful oversight. Period.
I will ALWAYS be supportive regardless of how I may feel about any issue at any time.
How can it be any other way?
Tony
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This is by far, the BEST traditional archery site on the internet. In todays day and age, it is necessary for Terry, Rob and the countless others that help patrol this site to post rules. All that they ask of us is to have "respect" for each other and follow a few easy to understand rules. That isn't much to ask for the "thank-less" and stressful job that each and every one of them do on a daily basis.
PLEASE........lets keep the rules as they are and if someone doesn't agree with them......they don't have to come here. I have met and traded, sold and bought from numerous people on here and haven't had any problems what-so-ever. The people that I have dealt with on here have been nothing short of fantastic to deal with. Let's not let this episode with Ronald Ollis ruin everything that the owner and administrator have worked so hard to achieve. If the rules go away, then people like this will have WON. This is my second home too.......and I want the same sense of "security" to remain everytime that I walk through the door. If you don't feel likewise, then pass on by the door that brings you here and find another place to spend your time.
Thanks......Terry, Rob and all the other people that work behind the scene to KEEP this place both safe and secure for ALL of US !!! :thumbsup: :notworthy: :campfire:
Winterhawk1960
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I too like the classifieds the way they are, and would be in favor of the "100 post min." for all of the classifieds. I would even be in favor of a "more in depth" registration to participate in the classifieds
Rules are rules, if you cant follow them or dont agree with them....BYE
It does bother me that the classified are the only place you see some people post, is that the only reason they're here?
Terry, Rob and crew have done an outstanding job prividing us with great place to hang out.
Thanks All
Eric
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In all truely free and honest systems there will always be rules and regulations to follow and someone to uphold these laws. We need these people to run the system and the members rely on the officials to take care of the majority of us that do not have the brains to keep our backs to the wall in saftey. There are two of these threads in progress jump in and HELP OUR GANG OUT!!!
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Folks that follow rules will have no problem following these post & other rules for our safety & enjoyment. These rules create a safer & more civil environment for us all. How often have you read mixed opinions that rarely if ever boil over to ridiculous? Not here. I've quit other sites for this very egocentricity. This is a hunting site for hunters to learn & share. I like the safety rules & sheperding mods! Great job. Plenty of other sites avaiable if you do not.
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I'm serving in a forign country with no bow and no hunting till I get back. This is a piece of home for me here. I ordered a bow that arrived back home today which I won't see till June but had no doubts about the deal because of the rules and Integrity of this site. It is much appreciated
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I also hope Terry will reconsider the suspension of the rules regulating the classified on this site and expand the rule to all classifieds on this site. All trade throughout the world requires regulations for transactions to occur smoothly and with integrity. To suspend the rules regulating the classified on this site opens the door to more people like Ollis to come here and deceive people, plus I don't think this site would last very long without the rules to guide the membership and that would be a great loss to the traditional archery world and this community.
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Having been in a position where I was a person that had a certain amount of control I can understand Terry's comments. What I can't understand is his decision to let this site go somewhere else than he himself felt and dreamed when he and others first started this site. Without moderation this site will join the rest of them. Ordinary, mundane, and full of the people that will take advantage of the trust of honest folks. Terry, you and the others do a great and thankless job. I hope you reconsider your instructions to other Mods and your feelings about your site.
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TERRY AND YOU OTHER MODS - I DON'T PERSONALLY KNOW YA, NEVER HAVE MET YA, BUT I KNOW YOUR HISTORY, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN AND LEARNED ON THIS SITE. BECAUSE OF THAT HISTORY I TRUST YOU GUYS; AND I DON'T GIVE MY TRUST EASILY.
I AGREED TO THE RULES WHEN I JOINED UP; I STILL AGREE WITH THE WAY THEY WERE. I WANT EM BACK. THANKS FOR LISTENING
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I'm pretty new and see the rules as a good thing .. good job guys !!
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I am also serving in a foreign country and this is a site where i go to get away from the massive religious murder,corruption, criminal enterprise known as the "middle east".
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Sorry, I hit the button by accident.What I wanted to say was, this site needs to remain the same, with rules and regulations. With our young troops dying, and having their arms and legs blown to hell, I can't believe this is even being discussed. What? you dont want any laws in the US? Without laws, rules and regulations, there can be no order, only chaos. Be glad you have both your arms and legs to be able to enjoy archery.
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Like someone else stated "This is my Facebook"... I don't get to log as many hours here as I'd like but TOTALLY agree if you can't abide by the rules then get to stepping. I don't post a lot because I consider myself a n00b, but will chime in when I think I can "help" (working my way to that golden 100). So nothing new being said but you can add one more to the "I <3 Mods" club.
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What I do not understand about what happened on the the other thread is this.
For one- I thought we (most) all were in agreement about the problem of an unscrupulous character (the infamous Ollis) who had infiltrated the site and was not behaving like he should here. Let alone like a grown Man in general.
So, a few of us that had a problem (and I might say had $$ on the table with him also) with this guy- worked hard as a team, to remedy the problem. We tracked him down, put heat on him and notified others (mods, authorities and other members) who were about to be scammed also.
This was done to protect our own interest-sure, but was also done to protect the group at large. I can tell you there were a # of members here that were in contact behind the scenes to nail this guy. I know I personally helped (2) guys from sending him $200 each for wool clothing items.
So- and this is my main point that I do not understand. Just when We were successful in stopping the guy and almost everyone has or hopefully will soon be squared away. Maybe financially, but we still came out a little wounded.
*** so what happens next- the wagons get circled in and we start taking shots. And so they start shooting the messenger(s).
I have some knowledge that even one of the main messengers about this Guy even took a shot recently from one of the moderators on this site. Crazy. I thought we were doing this to try and protect ourselves and other members.
Well, if I knew that was going to be the case, maybe I just would have protected my own interests and just stayed on the sidelines and only looked out for my own interests. You can bet if I ever run into this again (and I hope I never do)- that is what I will strongly think of doing. Even though it is not in my nature to not try and help someone else.
I have bought and sold things here for a while and I have always treated people just like I would want to be treated. And have been treated that way in kind. I have dealt with many upstanding gentlemen, and hope to do so in the future.
But I have to say this thing has opened my eyes a bit -in more ways than one.
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As a long time member that has been here from the beginning I want to say I agree with the 100 posts minimum for all the classifieds as others have stated, I also agree with Eric's post regarding a more in-depth registration to begin with if that is whats needed.
Not to much else to add that has not already been said.
This is a great site, let's keep it standing tall and proud...all of it.
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I think the rules and policing are the best thing to happen in the classifieds, and I also think Terry believes this. Goes without saying they need to be in place. Don't believe this decision is permanent, think it is just to throw a scare in to the general membership. Everyone knows what will happen if the classifieds are allowed to "run amuck". And I don't believe Admin would allow that to happen to a site they have so much time and effort invested in to make it the most respected bowhunting site on the Internet.
If it is allowed to "run amuck", I'll just stop buying used, and deal with the retailers. At least I'll know I'm not being scammed.
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One rain does not make a crop.
If it comes to a vote, I vote for keeping the rules.
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The classifieds are not the most important forum on this website. Hell if were making up imaginary ballots I vote for closing the classifieds down all together. In middle school we learned buyer beware.
Dave
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I relayed my feelings on another thread of the same topic, so, I will only say here that I support Mark's)Bowmarks) statement.
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Why would anyone want another Archery Talk or Bowfight...
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I not only support the 100 post rule I think it should be 200 to sell a bow. And 100 for all classifieds....I just looked at classifieds and found many listings from people with only 2-4post..Sorry if you join this site to just sell then go pay Flea bay..I think the mods do a great job and I say keep it up...We show support by posting on this site if you can't then go away...
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I'm copying my reply from the other post in support of the admins..
I'm not informed on what this is about, but I sense their must be some built up frustration regarding something.
I am all for the rules and guidelines, and have nothing but good things to say about the admins. Any dealings I've had with them, they have been patient and cordial. I think they all do a great job, and this site is literally an oasis on the internet. This is the only place I feel 100% comfortable dealing with people, and have yet to regret it.
I hope whatever is going on can be worked out in time, and if people don't like the rules there are plenty of other places to go. The admins care and involvment and rule enforcing assists greatly in making this site what it is, and would hate to see these admins discouraged because of a few rotten apples.
Keep up the good work guys, you guys are the captains of the tradgang ship.
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I am unfortunately getting in a little late on the happenings here regarding the classifieds.
I have given up on the other "trad sties", the moderators and organization here from support, keeping things on track is fantastic.
I agree, as far as the classifieds, you will find the more involved you are here with information, comments etc. You get to know and see who is here fairly regularly.
The 100 post rule I feel was very good. As many have said, if someone wants to sign up just to sell/buy gear go to *&*(bay. That is the place to do it.
I have never had a negative dealings with buying or selling, however everyone has to have some accountability and common sense. Folks that I don't know that don't want to give there phone number for a description of an item, is one of my redflags.
It seems that there was an issue I missed out on, and caused some frustration by the
FINE GROUP that moderates here keeping this a fantastic spot.
My Hats off to the "all of the Moderators", who put much time and thought into making this the Best Traditional Site on the Net. Period.
:clapper: :clapper: :clapper:
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If I had wanted a change I would Have asked for one,I knew what I was getting into when I joined this site,you follow the rules, if your not willing to do that then see ya.
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I am all for the rules. This is a great site with 99% great people. The rules help protect us against the 1% that are looking to take advantage.
The site is also not a democracy since it is Terry & company's. If someone does not like the rules and wants them to go away, they can too. There are plenty of sites without rules.
My opinion.
Dave
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Im all for keeping the rules in place. This site is without a dought the best site on the web, and have the best members out there. Im proud to be part of an elite family. :clapper: :clapper:
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I've been a member here since the first day and have watched it grow way beyond our expectations. The amount of work to ride herd on 30,000+ must be huge. So I think all we ask is that when the company (tradgang) does something like help track down a scammer that a little respect be shown. There were a couple of individuals on the original thred that decided that it was better to take shots at the TradGang and defend a crook.
If I'd been in charge they would have hit the road then and there.
The folks here need and want the protection provided by the rules and possible the expansion of them to include all listings.
So I throw my support as a friend, member, supporter and sponsor behind using the rules as laid out before last night.
Mike
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I am all for the rules. This is a great site with 99% great people. The rules help protect us against the 1% that are looking to take advantage.
The site is also not a democracy since it is Terry & company's. If someone does not like the rules and wants them to go away, they can too. There are plenty of sites without rules.
My opinion.
Dave
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Posted in the other similar thread*************
If you have many rules then it takes lots of monitoring. The rules were put in place because of past problems. I'm not sure how many admins there are on this site, but it appears the workload became too much and complaints were too many.
My thanks go out to the admins for their dedication and hard efforts to keep this place the way it was when I joined up.
Maybe the admins need some help so their job isn't too burdensome. I am on the site alot just to read and learn and have had several transactions on the site without getting burned or burning anyone. I like posting back and forth with like minded people. I don't have the time it takes to be a good moderator. Maybe some of you do and you could PM Terry to offer assistance if he were so inclined.
I do think a sticky at the top of the classifieds for POSITIVE transactions might be a way to go. If you buy from that section, then post about the seller and visa versa.
Posting something negative about someone that is unproven and turns out to be untrue could place Tradgang in a liability position. That is a burden this site and the admins do not need.
I'll still buy from the classifieds. When the right southpaw bow appears that I can't resisit I'll do my homework before committing.
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I agree with Wingnut 110%. Change sometimes is not a good thing. Case in point ; "Look at what all that "Hopey Changey Mess" up in Washington that we got now :scared: . Props to all that have kept the site in order, I appreciate it.
Lanier
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I am for the rules and want to thank all who help make this site special.
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I am all for keeping the all the rules as they weed out 99+% of the "dirtbags". I worry very little on any buy,sell or trade so think that the 100 post is a good idea. On other sites some will brag about being kicked off here but after reading most of their posts its easy to see why. I really wouldnt want to sit and share a cup of coffee with these idiots let alone be stuck for a week in an outfitters camp with them.
To Terry, Rob, and the rest of the guys.....Job Well Done!!!!!
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Originally posted by wingnut:
I've been a member here since the first day and have watched it grow way beyond our expectations. The amount of work to ride herd on 30,000+ must be huge. So I think all we ask is that when the company (tradgang) does something like help track down a scammer that a little respect be shown. There were a couple of individuals on the original thred that decided that it was better to take shots at the TradGang and defend a crook.
If I'd been in charge they would have hit the road then and there.
The folks here need and want the protection provided by the rules and possible the expansion of them to include all listings.
So I throw my support as a friend, member, supporter and sponsor behind using the rules as laid out before last night.
Mike
I Ccannot echo those statements enough!! Well said Mike!
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Thanks for all the hard work mod's!!!!
Keep the rules!!!
I have been busy. Must have missed something. I am going to have to catch up some.
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Originally posted by wingnut:
I've been a member here since the first day and have watched it grow way beyond our expectations. The amount of work to ride herd on 30,000+ must be huge. So I think all we ask is that when the company (tradgang) does something like help track down a scammer that a little respect be shown. There were a couple of individuals on the original thred that decided that it was better to take shots at the TradGang and defend a crook.
If I'd been in charge they would have hit the road then and there.
The folks here need and want the protection provided by the rules and possible the expansion of them to include all listings.
So I throw my support as a friend, member, supporter and sponsor behind using the rules as laid out before last night.
Mike
Yep, I agree.
God Bless, Pierre
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With OR without the rules, just ask for references. When dealing on this site, I usually give references or ask for them if I don't know the person I am dealing with. I have yet to have a problem. If the seller or buyer can't get several well known people to vouch for them, then don't deal.
Whatever the rules or lack there-of. Use common sense and it will likely be fine.
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I always thought the 100 post rule should have applied to all classifieds areas,not just bows.I think all fourms that run classifieds should impose such a rule.Kudos to the admin.
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Originally posted by wingnut:
I've been a member here since the first day and have watched it grow way beyond our expectations. The amount of work to ride herd on 30,000+ must be huge. So I think all we ask is that when the company (tradgang) does something like help track down a scammer that a little respect be shown. There were a couple of individuals on the original thred that decided that it was better to take shots at the TradGang and defend a crook.
If I'd been in charge they would have hit the road then and there.
The folks here need and want the protection provided by the rules and possible the expansion of them to include all listings.
So I throw my support as a friend, member, supporter and sponsor behind using the rules as laid out before last night.
Mike
I can not say it any better.
Bill
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First off I want to say thanks to all the moderators. I work in IT myself and know how thankless a job it is. The best you can hope for is to be ignored.
But having said that I also liked the rules regarding the classified. It gives me a sense on security that I don't feel when buying on the other sites.
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Originally posted by wingnut:
I've been a member here since the first day and have watched it grow way beyond our expectations. The amount of work to ride herd on 30,000+ must be huge. So I think all we ask is that when the company (tradgang) does something like help track down a scammer that a little respect be shown. There were a couple of individuals on the original thred that decided that it was better to take shots at the TradGang and defend a crook.
If I'd been in charge they would have hit the road then and there.
The folks here need and want the protection provided by the rules and possible the expansion of them to include all listings.
So I throw my support as a friend, member, supporter and sponsor behind using the rules as laid out before last night.
Mike
DITTO
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The "100 posts" rule to be able to post an AD in the classified trad forum never ruffled my feathers. I thought it was a good rule and still think that way.
Without that rule, I would have to see how many posts the guy has who's selling a bow or whatever and then I would have to look at his posts and see if they have some meaning. If most of his posts are "TTT" stuff, I'd be hesitant to make a purchase from him.
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Reading Terry's last post really bothered me,it was like the bad guy had won.The Mods do a thankless job here, simply for the love of traditional archery.
I hope Tradgang continues down the same path it's been on,and Terry runs it as he and the others see fit.I've learned a lot here and it's made my trad archery life more enjoyable-THANKS !
Leland
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I am fairly new to the site. But in the last year I have become obsessed with traditional shooting. I stay on tradgang every chance that I get. It is better than any other site on the web. I thank all the guys that help make my new journey through traditional archery an enjoyable one. Would love to see it stay the same as it has always been.
Thanks Josh
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Life is too short to spend it sorting out convoluted arguments about "who did what". I'm fine with the decision, and probably would've done it years ago. This is Trad Gang...not "Trade Game". Distractions are not needed.
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x __ (however many there are ahead of me)lol. Keep up the good work T and the rest of the upstanding Gang! I haven't been here as long as some but I have been here longer than others and I remember when I started there wasn't many problems on here and now it seems like the bottom feeders have sneaked in. I hope that sounds to you guys how it sounded in my head,lol. Anyways THANK YOU TRADGANG for the last 5 years. Can't wait to see what the next 5 will bring!
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It is what it is!
Terry and the mods have done all they can by posting warnings of who has done bad in the past to warnings of how you should buy from a trusted member.
As in life you can't have someone hold your hand, they did the best they could,and went far beyond what was required of them in investigating issues. It falls down to basic text deal with who you know and trust.Would you hire a stranger to watch your kids? no you would talk with them and find out what kind of person they are and make a decision based on your experience and other who you trust.
This is an open internet that the feds can't even control how the heck do you think Terry and the boys can do it. The bay doesn't have mods.
Now I think everyone will be more careful of who they do business with.
Terry and the mods Thanks for what you did to try and make it protected for us. Its time you cut the apron strings and let us grow and learn from our own experiences.IMHO Tim
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Quote..."I've been a member here since the first day and have watched it grow way beyond our expectations. The amount of work to ride herd on 30,000+ must be huge. So I think all we ask is that when the company (tradgang) does something like help track down a scammer that a little respect be shown. There were a couple of individuals on the original thred that decided that it was better to take shots at the TradGang and defend a crook.
If I'd been in charge they would have hit the road then and there.
The folks here need and want the protection provided by the rules and possible the expansion of them to include all listings.
So I throw my support as a friend, member, supporter and sponsor behind using the rules as laid out before last night.
Mike "
I couldn't agree more...
Terry, I haven't been a member here since the first day but don't let scammers, whiners or the inconsiderate win... I truly appreciate yours and the mods efforts to keep order, honesty and integrity on Tradgang and I truly hope you will reconsider...
Kip
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Mike hit it on the head.
There were a few jabs at the admins from people that clearly had little or no knowledge of what was going on with this Ollis guy but choose to pipe in defending a certified scammer at the expense of our admins that were doing a good job for all those that had unpleasant dealings with Ollis and prevent anyone else for getting scammed. Why people don’t think things through before they push enter is beyond me!
Based on the way it is currently set up to get approval to post bow classifieds, I would think imposing a 100 post minimum on all classifieds, with the same criteria, would actually make the job of administrating classified easier.
I would support the 100 min posts to use all TradGang classified and if you need to bump it to 200, I’d support that too even though I don’t have 200 posts…but I know for sure I like this site enough to do whatever is required to earn the ability to use it!
Thanks to all Admins for all your hard work and dedication to keeping this the premier Traditional archery site!
SteveC
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I can't imagine where Terry and crew found the energy to moniter this site like they have. God bless em. Hope they can find it their hearts to comtinue. Betcha the outlaws are excited now that the henhouse is not tended.
Larry
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If anyone wants go to the classified pages they will be able to read the rules.
http://tradgang.com/classifiedsrules/
I just did!
I will not deal with anyone who isn't following them.
God bless,Mudd
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I thought the 100 post rule was good for us, the TradGang community, since it gave us/members a gauge of sorts when dealing with folks......however....I feel like Terry and the other mods took more crap than I personally would have.
You think you're doing everyone a favor by setting rules and standards, then catch flack over doing it.
I tip my hat to Terry and all the mods for their time and hard work running this place, and trying to sift through the rift raft and dirtbags, then folks want to gripe, pi$$ and moan when the rules are instituted and enforced for OUR protection....come on folks.....you DO NOT look a gift horse in the mouth.
I hate to see the 100 post rule removed, but I totally understand where Terry is coming from.
Patience is not my strong suit. When I try to help someone and they keep bucking me, I'll throw my hands up and say to hell with it a lot sooner than Terry did.
I've been around here a long time, but I always use caution when buying or selling, and I've had nothing but nice, smooth deals on TG, and most of that was prior to the 100 post rule. You have to take some responsibility upon yourself deciding who to deal with it to start with.
I hate to see the rule no longer in effect, but I also understand Terry's position....we all have the same limits, there comes a time when it's time to say enough is enough.
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I am for keeping the rules in place. This is the best site on the web. Terry and the Moderators are doing a great job and thanks for all the time spent running Trad Gang.
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I'm not knocking any one that says
"we need to keep the rules"
But it is the moderators that have to do the work. That's the problem. There's just not enough time in the day to get things accomplished.
And I can understand with family and obligations to work,It's a difficult task.
And if you start charging membership fees, You enter into a whole new ballgame. Yes it makes it easier because you don't have the pressure of getting the ads and all that.
My biggest fear, Someone will come and buy out Trad gang. I think terry and all the moderators have done a fantastic job with Tradgang website.
I think the rule should stay in place,Or be increased,
And the whiners can just put a cork on it.
I've had a business in the past and it was the
1% to 3% that the rules were made for. This is a great site and I have a lot of friends on here.
And I'm not the easiest guy to get along with or understand !
I've been coming here since fall of 2006, And joined in 2007, Rules are rules ,They're not made to break,And they humble those that are thinking about breaking the rules ,Ok they are supposed to.
But what is needed the most is time for terry and the moderators, And that's something we can't give them.
I know I spend more time on Trad gang that any place else , And that's because it's the best
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Carl
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This is a shame.. I do understand the Mods, but this makes me sad!
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We could ask people with no posts other then on the classifieds to take there stuff elsewhere and mark the ad "do not buy"
I did it with one a little while ago.
Mike
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I like having the rules and the mods looking out for us it's a safty blanket that make sus feel safe. It's what separates this site from others.
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Even if you don't want to mod the classifieds site as intensely as was done in the past, I think the 100 post count should stay. It doesn't require any active moderation, and should help keep out most of the rif raf :p
Thanks for all you guys do to make this site awesome. I have only been here a month, and have learned tons of stuff already.
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I don't buy much off classifieds, have sold a few things, and valued the experience and people I've met.
It's been said dozens of ways and I'm glad that people recognize this simple fact: The amount of money, time, energy that Terry and Rob put into this has to be horrific over the years!!!!
For the first years, there were no Corporate sponsors --- just private money doing it all for US!
The volunteer time of the mods has to be the most thankless gig going!
As for rules: it's been alluded to above--- Rules are made to TRY to control 5% of the people who will find a way around the rules 95% of the time!!
I'm sad to see the NO MOD change to the advertising, but those who've been around might recall there was a consideration to shut down the Classifieds entirely some time back...
I guess unmoderated is better than no ads at all, for those who so love to buy, try, buy, sell and swap bows.
If I had the cash, I'd probably do it some too, but I marvel at the depth of experience the guys who seem "addicted" to bow selling/buying have gained thru their adventures in trading bows.
To them, my hats off and I wish them well --
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The 100 posts is a very good reference to the seller and buyer. Each time I decide to buy or trade something, those posts show a holistic view of the person I am going to deal with. It's sad to see the rule is changed. Just have to do more digging and reference going forward.
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I have been here for a long time, I didn't post a lot because of other obligations.
I did visit and read a lot of posts, I've learned a lot, and have made a few personal friends on here, and for that I am thankful.
We are a community, drawn together because of our passions. Because we are a community, like,(and unlike) others, we seek the comraderie, the knowledge, and the protection of a community. Hense the need for some one to provide guidance, in our daily interaction within our community. Like any other community, if you break the laws, you get reprimanded, or ousted if you can not or will not come in to line with the rules of the community.
Differences will abound within the community, ie; which is better wood or carbon, tied vs clamp on nocks, re-curves vs long bows. These are the things which bring us together and maintain the community that we all have created by our decision to be here.
I e-mailed the mods with a request to post, after I had made my 100 posts, and it was granted. Why? I had not sold or bought anything on here before, no one said,"He is a great guy".
I don't know what other if any criteria that is used to grant that privledge, but it was granted, and I take the great pride in the fact that the community, through our mods trusted in me so that I could participate.
The 100 posts are in my opinion the only venue that can be used to see just how comitted we are to our community.
I agree with Mudd,"If anyone wants go to the classified pages they will be able to read the rules.
http://tradgang.com/classifiedsrules/
I just did!
I will not deal with anyone who isn't following them.
God bless,Mudd"
Thanks so very much for the sacrifices that you make as mods, but after being on here, it is a labor of love as I see it.
Via con Dios
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I support the mods decision as they have a difficult enough job. I may not like it but will support it. A sincere thank you for the job you are doing.
Mike has a good idea, self moderate the classifieds by not buying from someone with less than 100 posts and a positive review of them by the buyer. Otherwise like Terry said buyer beware.
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Let's keep the rules the way they are. I think it keeps the scammers away.
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Originally posted by DeerSpotter:
My biggest fear, Someone will come and buy out Trad gang. I think terry and all the moderators have done a fantastic job with Tradgang website.
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Carl
Don't even scare me with the fear of tradgang getting bought out ! One of my other hobbies is vintage (1950 - 1969) schwinn bikes, the schwinn bike forum is owned by schwinn, well schwinn has been bought and sold out a couple of times now and the current owners have let the inmates run the asylum ! It used to be a first class vintage bike forum with a lot of classy members (just like we have here) the average age of a member was mid 40's and up, Well the hoodlums have now taken over due to lack of rules, us senior bike collectors have scattered and moved on to smaller forum's but it is not like it used to be, no activity to speak of as our membership is scattered, What I am saying is, we need rules to keep out the low lifers as they will take over. I have seen it happen at the Schwinn forum, please don't let it happen here.
Dan