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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Lone Ranger on September 04, 2011, 09:11:00 PM
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I was in a local feed and seed store and was snooping around the chemicals looking for Permethrin in a more concentrated form- versus paying 5-6.00 a can for the .5% stuff. found this stuff in a 10% solution that you can mix down in a spray bottle to a 1% solution to spray down your clothes, socks, hats, etc with.
(http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/public/IvBnsEY04fHklPzUPGVZ10m4REx1xvpzbCzk5_HhMUCe5OTf2ykX_8DdyrikULbBFgspjPT43mf_Wg8fyHf2FOKzMmjI1eqpuHcBpNHs02rAxWJrZXuGM1cG7V8jc9zHUMJnJFMhi8v89dN8KGY3PbOAPBzPuOqo7bVLzQbeprDMObibgXAZe5lMexPkIZAVtYl5UTl2ZxX1aS_7_t_0dp3AjREZdw)
just wondering if anyone had any input on it?
L.R.
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That is exactly what I use, buy it at tractor supply, works great and that bottle will last for years. Chris
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Ditto
SL
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Thanks L.R., ticks in my hunting area in Ohio are really starting to get bad.
Glenn
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does the chemical smell go away when it dries? I tried to use a similar brand from a horse and cattle feed store, I diluted it down to 0.50% from 10% using distilled water. I could still smell it on my "test shirt" a few days later. I ended up using the 10% stuff for spraying arround my skinning rack after each kill
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I need to get me some of that.
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I've never had an issue with the smell if diluted down. I spray my clothes and boots-set outside to dry.
SL
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doesn't smell at all that I can tell. make 1 gallon at a time and spray away- I am using 1.28% or something like that- its just over double the concentration of what is in the spray cans.
Dont forget to spray your socks too!
L.R.
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For those who use it a lot how does it work in the rain. If your clothes get wet do you get it on your skin? Can it make you sick this way? I have wanted to try it for eastern Washington where the ticks can be bad.
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RF,
I have wondered that for years and still don't have an answer, the Army uses it religiously, that's how I learned about it. When I was in Korea last year it was a requirement to turn in two uniforms to be treated.
I mix up the strongest solution on the instructions, completely soak my clothes, air dry them, then wash one time in scent free laundry detergent. I can't smell anything and when wearing my treated clothes I have yet to get ticks. I also blouse my boots and tuck in my undershirt. Chris
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Thanks I think I will try this . Ticks are bad here in KY. Seed Ticks are as bad as I have ever seen them.
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swamprooter, whats the maximum solution on your instructions? just curious!
L.R.
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I told a big whopper, I don't even come close to the maximum, which is 6.7 fl ozs per gallon, 1 part concentrate to 19 parts water, which is listed for spraying severe insect infestations. I use what is listed for normal which is 1.3 ozs per gallon, or 1 part concentrate to 100 parts water.
I have a gallon sprayer and the permethrin bottle has a built in 1 oz measure, I guestimate the .3. Chris
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There may be a good reason why the perithrin spray for human use is 0.5%. The 0.5% works even after 2 or 3 washing and drying cycles. I think I will look for a MSDS sheet for this..i have been using this stuff for 20 plus years..one side effect may be graying hair and increased body fat
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Oh my goodness my wifes been feeding me tick repellent!
Glenn
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I use 1-1.5 oz in a quart spray bottle. Fill with water.
Spray on exterior of clothing.
Sun dry.
No smell. Works great.
This stuff doesn't require a hazmat suit unless your allergic to chrysanthemums.
A 1% solution is used on kids with headlice. Called Nix.
A 5% cream for scabies mite also safe for kids
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Take this info for whatever you think it's worth. It comes from another hunting site.
"I called the manufacturer of Dur-Vet Permethrin 10 and spoke with there sales person. He informed me that many agricultural products are oil based to aid sticking. Use on clothing would result in stained clothing and long drying time and wasn't recommended. Also some agricultural products also contain Piperonyl Butoxide(PBO) which is toxic. I then purchased DurationTM Permethrin 10% Concentrate from Amazon which claims to be the only EPA registered permethrin 10% concentrate approved for use on clothing. It is intended for use as a soak but I deluted it to .5% and use it as a spray like Sawyers. It is $30 for 8 oz. Mixed 20 to 1 it will make 168 oz of .5% spray or equal to 7 of the 24 oz bottles of Sawyers. Thats $30 vs $90."
I also use the same product with same mix and haven't had a tick or chigger since I started using it back in March.
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Great info what a money saver
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I use a brand called "Exit X", I got it from Revival Pet Supply.(http://www.revivalanimal.com/Permethrin-10.html).
It is 10% and I cut it with water to 0.5% and add a splash of Primos Earth Scent Spray.I spray my clothes lightly the night before I wear them. They smell like fresh dirt and there is no staining.
I have not had a chigger or tick bite in years. It will even keep skeeters away.
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I also add some cedar oil that candlemakers use and it makes my clothes spell like cedar. Don't know if it helps but the cedar smell conjures up some great memories of past hunting seasons.
If you spray down a leafy suit really well, hood and all, and then let it dry completely you can put your thermocell away. It works that well. I do lay a square of cardboard over where my mouth would be on the hood.
Been doing this for several years and I haven't noticed any side effects. I put on and take off the leafy suit when I get to
and leave the stand.
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Hoyt,
I really appreciate that part about the PBO toxic stuff mixed in some agricultural versions.
What we "don't know" can hurt over time. The warnings on the regular sawyers stuff is scary enough! I often wondered/worried when I forgot to spray some article of clothing for a scouting trip, and sprayed it right before leaving the truck, and it hadn't dried fully, if I was at risk when I started sweatin wearing that garment!?
I have successfully used Sawyers and other brands, sprayed everything and line dried and it kept the ticks off, the chiggers and as stated, even skeeters hovered by my sprayed face mask, then just left! Yeah!
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A friend of mine was kind enough to purchase two 24oz. bottles of Sawyers. He gave me one. Have used it for several years and it lasts through 5-6 washings. Just spray it on your clothes and hang up to dry. No ticks or chiggers.
Don't believe that I want to use the stuff from vet or from tractor supply. I know that I don't want to be sheep dipped.
:laughing:
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I've been experimenting with that same product thats listed in the first post for a couple of weeks now. The guy at the store I bought it at said he only put 3 drops in a spray bottle of water for his hunting clothes - he was using about a 24 or 32 oz bottle of water. I tried a little more than that with my 32 oz bottle of water and found one small tick crawling up my pants so knew that mixture wasn't strong enough. I believe to get the .5% mix, since the solution is 10% permethrin, you would mix 1 oz of permethrin to 20 oz of water. I did that and the spray did have a strong smell until the clothes were completely dry but after they were dry I can't smell it.
I was walking in some nasty stuff today and didn't find any ticks on me so it seems to be working.
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the stuff is good, no doubt about it!
L.R.
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I use the duravet in the o.p. and mix it to the weakest solution listed on the lable. When completely dry there is no odor and won't wash off in the rain. As far as any hazards, I've been using it for fifteen or twenty years and haven't noticed any ill effects. I totally believe all the Big Macs and fries I've consumed have done far more harm than this ever will.
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The risk from tick-borne disease is much higher than any risk from using permethrin properly, for those of us who get out among them.
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I'm covered with bites after season opened this weekend - worse than last year it seems. Not sure if they're larval ticks or chiggers, but I'm ready to give this a try.
I found 38% online for $30 (pint). Free shipping. Here goes!
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Longbowwally, 1 oz. in 20 oz. gives 5%, not .5%.
Jim
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If 5% is used as a topical cream as suggested earlier so long as it doesn't smell I don't see a problem with going that high.
L.R.
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Jim, that's 5% of a 10% solution, which is 0.5% concentration.
L. R., the formulation can make a difference both in efficacy and how the human body tolerates it. If you use a chemical in some way other than the approved label uses, you may put yourself at risk and you would have no legal recourse because you violated label restrictions. 0.5% spray on clothing works, and if the product is labeled for that use it's safe and odorless when you follow directions.
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I am mathematically challenged, so I just by it from the store, one can lasts for a real long time.
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The only way to get through the tick infested super highway!! (http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv247/pukingguts/DSC_5302.jpg)
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great pic swampthing! sometimes I have to low crawl through a hog trail to get to the other side- usualy worth it but talk about being at a bugs eye level!