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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: razorback on October 07, 2011, 09:45:00 PM
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So I was out for the first time this year, still hunting. This is my preferred way of hunting as I get bored and cold in stand. Well I was doing everything "right". Moving slowly, stopping every few steps surveying the area, and waiting before moving on. Well as seems to happen way too often I stopped at one point in an area that I know the deer move through, stood in a bush and looked and listened for ten minutes. Waiting to see if I could hear any deer moving or see anything in the woods. Nothing happened so I decide to move on and after taking one step a deer I couldn't see bounds off from about forty yards away, through the thick brush.
I like to hunt this way but am no expert by any stretch, and this got me thinking; What is the right thing to do at this point. The deer didn't snort or blow, just bounded off as if something was not right but not sure what it was. Do you just keep moving the way you are going, circle around and try to head the deer off, or call it quites on the area and move to another spot.
For me the day was too nice to quit and I only had a couple of hours, so I kept moving as if nothing had happened and eventually circled around to where I thought the deer might have run of to to then move to the feeding field.
So what do you all do in a situation like this. Any insights would be a big help to myself and all the other clod hoppers out there.
P.S. I didn't see the deer agian.
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That is a good question! I should start a post on how to do it for moose!!
Let see what people have to say!
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Dave, feel free to add it to this post if you like. I'm just looking for options and thoughts.
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In most cases even if you spooked that deer he or she didn't run far. I have seen this with snow on the ground...they don't head out of the country just away from you. Get the wind right and go very slowly after it. Will you get a shot with the bow...maybe not. Will you see the deer again ,if you go slow and keep good wind I would bet you would. Keep the wind right and go slow. One or two steps and look....repeat! good luck!
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Razorback,
I'm like you. My problem is that I'm just not patient enough to sit there all day like some folks are... I wish I were sometimes. I also prefer still hunting however, but can't say I am an expert by any means. When that happens to me, and it does, after things settle down I have more of a tendency to find a place right where I am, or close to it and stay put for 1/2 hour or more. I have had occasion where one deer may take off and there's another close by trying to figure out why the first one left. Many times if I haven't waited, I take that next step or two what's left in the area bolts out of there and then I am relatively certain the area is now clear of deer. Anyway, that's just what I do, although I am not sure if it's the right thing to do all the time.
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If the deer only saw some movement or a sound but did not smell you,,,chances are good that he will do everything he can to get downwind of you to figure out what it was that he saw or heard.
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Here is what I do. If you do not see or hear animals in a prime area you likely have the wind going wrong and they are gone way early. If you hear them but don't see them you need to slow down a lot. If you see them take off then you need to slow down a bit and you might be too noisy; count to 100 before proceeding. If they explode and are outta' there like ass on fire, your pace is OK but you need to use your binocs to separate fur from brush. Most of the time no matter how slow you are going it is too fast. Those are generalizations, and they work for me.
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It is rare to get a second chance at a particular whitetail. They usually move farther than a person with any stealth can do to get back into a shooting situation. It depends a lot on the terrain and how well you know the deer's patterns.
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I would move about 75-100 yards upwind and find a good spot and stay there for around an hour. If the deer wasn't real spooked he may circle around to get a sniff.
Hap
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Bjorn is so right.it takes some adjusting from everyday life to SLOW down to get it right.always use every available bit of cover.Use your binos way more and look ahead for just deer parts.Make sure the wind is dead right for you.
Out here in Sask.my best time is when the wind is blowing heavy.,it really helps to cover scent and sound.You gotta fool all 3 senses.
Get your self a copy of G.fred's book Stand and stillhunting,great reading and you'll learn alot.Best of luck.
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You can use a deer call and make a couple of doe calls just to say "here I am and everything is ok." I've also used a short piece of heavy tree branch to strike the ground like a stamping deer to make them think I'm a deer.
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I had a similar experience last year. All I did was crouch down and waited. Within 15 min or so they came back to investigate what was going on. Eventually a willow brush is all that separated us and could not get a shot. What an experience to say the least.
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Bino's are a still hunters best asset!
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X2, Osage!
Turkey diaphragm call will perhaps buy you some time. Get a good spot and wait. Maybe move DOWNWIND a little, as that is where the curious deer will go. The deer will be on high alert, though.
Killdeer
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Thanks everyone, that is all great advice. I think I need tospend more time out there to develop the patience necessary to be successful. I'll give this all a shot on monday, which should be my next time out.
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When you're ready to stop, or go, take one more step quietly and look for the ones that were hidden by the trees. Too many times I looked the area over and went to sit down after not seein' anything. Then when I take that "1 more" step to sit down, there it is. Hidden by that tree at just the right angle. Then all I see is why they call it a whitetail. Doh...
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I'll echo the bleet call on a lanyard around the neck. Small binos, lean when stopped and look. More one step movement and squat alot. The deer outlasted you on hearing/seeing something. You have to outlast the deer.
Never thought of making the stomping sound but if you can do it without being busted it sounds like a good idea.
Stalking in thick areas is tough no matter what you do.
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You have to outlast the deer.
Sometimes that's a tough nut to crack.
Killdeer
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Go over this thread.It may give you some ideas.
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=108912;p=1
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IMO the missing link to a productive stillhunter is SQUATTING,SQUATTING,AND MORE SQUATTING.You must remeber that when deer like game take to cover they bed down and that's where their eyelevel is knee height!!!!
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Never Never Never still hunt without binoculars ...and use them. Our quarry has better smell, hearing, eyesight (detecting movement) and a lot more patience. If you see them before they take off you can at least remain still until they lose interest. If they haven't detected you then you have half a chance.
Also work the wind if you know where they are.
A bleat call or turkey call is a good idea as well.
JW
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You cant go slow enough when still hunting.
I try to take 3 slow quiet steps and then stop and listen, at the same time i scan every piece of woods I can. I am probably standing still 98% of the time.
I usually will pick up movement first, it's harder if the deer are bedded and not moving.
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I have taken about 30 deer still hunting. I went 5 years in a row getting my deer sneaking either out to or in from my tree stand. I found that on that route I preferred things to be dry and crunchy. while I know the deer could hear me, at least I could hear them as well. Knowing that something is either out there or coming towards you is an advantage at times. On a quiet day I stay on the edges of the corn and listen for the deer in the corn. It is often possible if you know where to look what deer is in the corn and get a chance to meet them at the edge of the field. I have taken three deer from my lunch log, I sneak out to the fallen remains of a large maple, make tea and eat my lunch. The odds go up when I am sitting in the right place at the right time. when still hunting, I find that feeling of the right place and time varies on the situation of the day. I always have at least a butt pad dangling from my belt, it is good for the odds to be able sit comfortably more often. It allows me to have more patience knowing that I can park it anytime I want, without having something to sit on I tend to move too much.
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Like many others said, stay glued to those binos. You wouldn't believe how many tome a blinking eye or an ear or tail twitch has alerted me to several deer that I would have stumbled into otherwise.
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Had family commitments today so didn't make it out. :( Will put these wise words to work this week after work and will hopefully get lucky. Archery season here allows for a doe or buck so I am hoping to get some meat on the table as we have way mor edoes than bucks and I'm all about QDM. :)
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It's, for me, EXTREMELY difficult to still hunt a piece of cover correctly unless you know that your deer is in there.
If I don't know for certain then I move too fast and end up messing it up. And "too fast" has been pretty darn slow!
Recently I have been carrying leaves in one hand, when I am busted but they don't run off, I drop a few leaves. Perhaps it wasn't me (my thinking goes) just those 'ol leaves falling to the ground.
I know I get desperate!
Bob
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When i chase Red Deer and spook them as long as they didn't SMELL me and you hear them crashing off i usually run after them for about 40 50 yards as long as terrain allows then stop dead and move aside and wait. they then will do ether 3 things. Keep running , or circle downwind and catch your sent. Most of the time they are the smart old girls. Then you get the young and dumb ones that want to find out what scared the poo out of them. By running forward and to the side gives you an advantage because the deer will go back to where it was spooked and look for you this means that your deer has walked past you and by being to the side gives you a broad side shot. Doesnt always work but its better than watching them give you the white flag. This is only my opinion and i sure am no expert. hope this helps :archer: