Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 07, 2011, 06:27:00 PM
just like the classic howard hill longbows of the 30's, 40's and 50's, and all the good bowyers that make their own classic hill versions, i believe that the mild r/d longbow that braces to a "D" shape is also on the road to become a classic modern longbow.
hopefully this appreciation thread will look to showcase any and all "D" r/d longbows, their bowyers, their owners and their harvested game. i've got some pix to post, but i'd much rather get some good posts, pics and hunt stories from other members first.
tell us about your mild r/d "D" longbow and your hunts with it!
:wavey:
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HOW TO DETERMINE IF YOUR LONGBOW IS A HYBRID R/D CLASSIC "D"
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THIS is a hybrid mild r/d longbow that braces to a "D" shape ...
(Mohawk - mild r/d "D")
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/mild-unbraced.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/mild-braced.jpg)
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the following longbows are NOT and will NEVER BE an r/d classic "D" longbow ...
(Thunderstick MOAB - aggressive r/d)
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/aggressive-unbraced.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/aggressive-braced.jpg)
(BamaBows Hunter - "Hill Style")
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/afl-unbraced.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/afl-braced.jpg)
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Post by: portugeejn on November 07, 2011, 06:43:00 PM
I enjoy shooting this bow and missed the only turkey I ever shot at with it-don't know if the turkey ducked when it saw something coming, or was just getting ready to jump up into the air, but the arrow was just over its back. RonP
(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL413/683873/21137390/346444015.jpg) (http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL413/683873/21137390/346444000.jpg) (http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL413/683873/21137390/346444011.jpg) (http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL413/683873/21137390/346444007.jpg)
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 07, 2011, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 07, 2011, 06:53:00 PM
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Originally posted by frassettor:look at yer widow's unbraced and braced limb shapes. when unbraced, it should mildly curve or snake, there should be deflex in the riser. when braced, the limbs should form a continuous curve - there can be NO flat spots near or at the tips, as that would be an "aggressive r/d" longbow. :)
If my Widows are what you classify as a mild r/d longbow, I simply love them. ...
Post by: LongStick64 on November 07, 2011, 06:57:00 PM
Robertson Vision
Border Griffon
Pacific Yew Classic
Post by: Rooselk on November 07, 2011, 07:06:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Rooselk/Outdoors/Archery/Blacktail-01-1.jpg)
This pic is old. The woods are yew and ebony but the yew is now a beautiful honey color. Specs are 64", 51# @ 27".
Post by: Larry m on November 07, 2011, 07:06:00 PM
Post by: gregg dudley on November 07, 2011, 07:17:00 PM
I'm a recurve guy. I just like the feel of a heavier bow and the way the grip of my black widow's fit my hand.
Last year I set a challenge for myself to leave the recurves at home until I finally killed something with my Dwyer Defiant. I really do like the bow a lot. It is a true piece of art and I am glad that I made the commitment to spend the time afield with it last year.
Post by: ron w on November 07, 2011, 07:17:00 PM
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Post by: Ben Maher on November 07, 2011, 07:29:00 PM
nice thread Rob !
Post by: ken denton on November 07, 2011, 07:32:00 PM
Post by: Swamp Yankee on November 07, 2011, 08:02:00 PM
Mohawk
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll48/danking49/Mohawk2.jpg)
Post by: JamesKerr on November 07, 2011, 08:07:00 PM
Post by: horatio1226 on November 07, 2011, 08:10:00 PM
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z267/horatio1226/jd%20berry%20apollo/IMG_4355.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z267/horatio1226/jd%20berry%20apollo/IMG_4343.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z267/horatio1226/jd%20berry%20apollo/IMG_4344.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z267/horatio1226/jd%20berry%20apollo/IMG_4351.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z267/horatio1226/jd%20berry%20apollo/IMG_4352.jpg)
Post by: joe ashton on November 07, 2011, 08:17:00 PM
Post by: DannyBows on November 07, 2011, 08:23:00 PM
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z208/DannyBoats/HoffmanBiggie-Longhunter-3.jpg)
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z208/DannyBoats/HoffmanBiggie-Longhunter-4.jpg)
This is before Whip refinished her when she still belonged to Biggie Hoffman.
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z208/DannyBoats/HoffmanBiggie-Longhunter6-1.jpg)
Post by: Rooselk on November 07, 2011, 08:33:00 PM
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Post by: pdk25 on November 07, 2011, 09:15:00 PM
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd102/pdk25/P1020326.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd102/pdk25/P1020327.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd102/pdk25/P1020328.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd102/pdk25/P1020329.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd102/pdk25/P1020330.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd102/pdk25/P1020331.jpg)
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(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd102/pdk25/P1020333.jpg)
Post by: ron w on November 07, 2011, 09:19:00 PM
Post by: pdk25 on November 07, 2011, 09:20:00 PM
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd102/pdk25/critter%20gitter/P1010630.jpg)
It's the top bow. Just wanted a full braced pic.
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd102/pdk25/critter%20gitter/P1010639.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd102/pdk25/critter%20gitter/P1010638.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd102/pdk25/critter%20gitter/P1010640.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd102/pdk25/critter%20gitter/P1010641.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd102/pdk25/critter%20gitter/P1010642.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd102/pdk25/critter%20gitter/P1010650.jpg)
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd102/pdk25/critter%20gitter/P1010651-1-1.jpg)
Post by: ron w on November 07, 2011, 09:29:00 PM
Post by: NomadArcher on November 07, 2011, 09:32:00 PM
Post by: dnovo on November 07, 2011, 09:38:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 07, 2011, 09:42:00 PM
so i leave it to each of you to decide whether yer r/d longbow braces to "D" or not - hey, it's all good. :D
but clearly, this moab of mine is not a mild r/d "D" longbow - it's an aggressive beast that thinks it's a recurve ...
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/aggressive-unbraced.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/aggressive-braced.jpg)
Post by: Shortlongbow on November 07, 2011, 10:00:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 07, 2011, 10:05:00 PM
the ifaa used formulas and measuring devices to make sure all competitors were using CLASSIC "D" braced ENGLISH ELB or HOWARD HILL style longbows.
along comes jim & buddy from 21st century longbows and they design/build "the edge" longbow that's an AGGRESSIVE r/d longbow which braces to a true "D" longbow shape. one fast mutha of a hybrid longbow - a wolf set among sheep, porsche versus beetle - you get the picture.
well, it passed the ifaa longbow test and needless to say, if you didn't shoot "the edge" longbow, you were at a competitive disadvantage with your slower elb or hill (the ifaa classic target longbow event has target distances far beyond the scope of a true trad bowhunter). "the edge" won the ifaa longbow champs at least once that i know of, but probably more.
i'll leave it to y'all to think about that one! :D
Post by: RC on November 07, 2011, 10:05:00 PM
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_1253.jpg)
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Post by: Eric Sprick on November 07, 2011, 10:15:00 PM
(http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj93/ruger1970/IMG_2429.jpg)
(http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj93/ruger1970/IMG_2427.jpg)
(http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj93/ruger1970/IMG_1390.jpg)
Eric
Post by: AdAstraAiroh on November 07, 2011, 10:17:00 PM
Mark
Post by: pdk25 on November 07, 2011, 10:40:00 PM
Ron, I like the jack-knife fine. It is very rugged and fast to set up. Not my favorite style aesthetically speaking, but it doubles as a locator grip.
NomadArcher, thanks. The osage really darkened up nice.
Post by: rdoggsilva on November 07, 2011, 10:45:00 PM
Post by: Fletcher on November 07, 2011, 11:09:00 PM
Post by: Steelhead on November 08, 2011, 12:30:00 AM
My 1st custom longbow in this category was a Frederick Regeant.Matter a fact it was the 1st bow I ever ordered.It was a steal for 500$ about 15 years ago.It was a beauty and super narrow,very deep core with steeply trapped limbs.I had about 8 of those total.
I have enjoyed alot of other nice ones.GN Critter Gitter,Mohawks,Berry's,Dwyer original,Apex Predator Sappelo,Liberty contenders.
I may have to get another one after seeing this thread.Its on my agenda.Maybe a Sparrowhawk or Two Tracks of MI.
I have killed more game with this type of bow than any other.Thier special in thier own right!
Post by: Oliverstacy on November 08, 2011, 12:37:00 AM
Apex Sapelo is another one that comes to mind.
As Fletcher stated...a lot of good bows in this category!
Josh
Post by: Oliverstacy on November 08, 2011, 12:39:00 AM
Josh
Post by: Stone Knife on November 08, 2011, 06:34:00 AM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/420W/IM000348.jpg)
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(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/420W/IM000346.jpg)
Post by: Bowjunkie on November 08, 2011, 06:59:00 AM
Here's Rose, a bamboo backed yew d/r I made. Talk about light n lively! This bow is feather lite in the hand, 70# @ 28", and casts arrows faster and farther than any of my other glass bows or bamboo backed bows of other woods, all with identical profiles and draw weights. With yew and bamboo, there's just less dead weight.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Jeff_Durnell/Rose_Lioness/Rosename.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Jeff_Durnell/Rose_Lioness/Rose3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Jeff_Durnell/Rose_Lioness/Roserdstrung.jpg)
Post by: cbCrow on November 08, 2011, 07:02:00 AM
(http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz161/chuckbrake/Abbott%20Bow/DSCN0219.jpg)
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 08, 2011, 07:09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Bowjunkie:WOW! gorgeous!! i want one!!!
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Jeff_Durnell/Rose_Lioness/Rose3.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Jeff_Durnell/Rose_Lioness/Roserdstrung.jpg)
Post by: Molson on November 08, 2011, 07:42:00 AM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:Me Too!!! Everything about that bow is sweet!! :thumbsup:
QuoteOriginally posted by Bowjunkie:WOW! gorgeous!! i want one!!! [/b]
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Jeff_Durnell/Rose_Lioness/Rose3.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Jeff_Durnell/Rose_Lioness/Roserdstrung.jpg)
Post by: Aussie Stickbow Hunter on November 08, 2011, 07:58:00 AM
Everyone photo I've seen has been of deflex/reflex bows!!!
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Originally posted by Bowjunkie:Nice bow Bowjunkie and glad to see someone describe their bow limb profile correctly.
Here's Rose, a bamboo backed yew d/r I made.
A bows limb profile has always been described by what the limbs do as they leave the handle of the bow eg; reflex, set back, deflex/reflex, reflex/deflex etc.
A bow with a reflex/deflex limb profile could never brace at what people term 'D' shaped!!!
Reflex/deflex and deflex/reflex are opposites and can not be used to describe the same thing. I do not understand why so many people use the terms incorrectly these days as all it has done is lead to confusion.
I saw this thread and thought it was appropriate to mention the above.
Jeff
Post by: Bladepeek on November 08, 2011, 08:04:00 AM
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Abbott%20longbow/Abbottrisermarkings.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Abbott%20longbow/Abbottname.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Abbott%20longbow/Abbottleftside.jpg)
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 08, 2011, 08:21:00 AM
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Originally posted by Aussie Stickbow Hunter:you are reasonably correct jeff, but like many things american, we've used r/d to describe any bow with reflexed/curved limbs and deflexed riser, which all of the bows in this thread, so far, whether mild or aggressive r/d, have. it's all good in the long run, i think.
There are some very nice looking bows in this thread but not one of them is of reflex/deflex design!!!
Everyone photo I've seen has been of deflex/reflex bows!!!
QuoteOriginally posted by Bowjunkie:Nice bow Bowjunkie and glad to see someone describe their bow limb profile correctly.
Here's Rose, a bamboo backed yew d/r I made.
A bows limb profile has always been described by what the limbs do as they leave the handle of the bow eg; reflex, set back, deflex/reflex, reflex/deflex etc.
A bow with a reflex/deflex limb profile could never brace at what people term 'D' shaped!!!
Reflex/deflex and deflex/reflex are opposites and can not be used to describe the same thing. I do not understand why so many people use the terms incorrectly these days as all it has done is lead to confusion.
I saw this thread and thought it was appropriate to mention the above.
Jeff [/b]
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 08, 2011, 08:27:00 AM
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Originally posted by cbCrow:steve makes beautiful r/d "D" longbows, indeed. he's on my bucket list, for sure! :thumbsup:
Just thought a picture of an Abbott should be included. One of the most stable and sweet shooters I have!
(http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz161/chuckbrake/Abbott%20Bow/DSCN0219.jpg)
so many longbows, so little time ....... :(
Post by: ron w on November 08, 2011, 10:17:00 AM
Post by: Bob B. on November 08, 2011, 10:25:00 AM
I love my hill as well, but my mild R/D bows will always be where my heart is.
Bob.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 08, 2011, 02:06:00 PM
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Originally posted by ken denton:ken, totally NOT a mild r/d "D" longbow! look at all that flip at the tips!! yikes!!!
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z318/arrow39/20100611006.jpg)Morrision Dakota 44# and 62'
Post by: on November 08, 2011, 02:08:00 PM
Question: besides length and limb loaded energy increases as with hybrids and R/D, what are the advantages or disadvantages of these bows compared to recurves and Hill style longbows. For myself, I have two Robertsons one Pearce point and one myrtle riser with book matched myrtle veneers, I like the speed for the draw weight, I cannot tell whether they are more or less forgiving than my own Hill style longbows. What are your observations?
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 08, 2011, 02:37:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:dunno if you question was directed specifically to ken, or open to others replying, so respectfully here are my observations ...
ken that looks more like a hybrid, what bothers me about hybrids like, my wife prefers, is that they feel longer than they are, they shoot faster than one would think, and they fit into tighter quarters.
Question: besides length and limb loaded energy increases as with hybrids and R/D, what are the advantages or disadvantages of these bows compared to recurves and Hill style longbows. For myself, I have two Robertsons one Pearce point and one myrtle riser with book matched myrtle veneers, I like the speed for the draw weight, I cannot tell whether they are more or less forgiving than my own Hill style longbows. What are your observations?
yes, ken's longbow is an aggressive r/d and not a mild r/d "D".
i consider all r/d longbows to be "hybrids" and fit in somewhere between a hill style longbow and a true recurve. some will argue that any aggressive r/d longbow IS a recurve. imo, if only the string loops touch the limb nocks, it's a longbow.
once you add reflex and deflex to a longbow's planform, you increase it's efficiency and speed over most any longbow that has just reflex ("back set"), or is straight limbed, or has follow-through ("belly set"). r/d longbows allow for shorter length bows than hill style longbows, for the same comparable draw length.
for example, as a good guideline, you will probably want a 70" hill longbow for a 29" draw length, 66" for a mild r/d "D" longbow, and 62" for an aggressive r/d longbow. there are exceptions, but the preceding is a good for starters.
to me, the real question is longbow "stability" and "pointability", which is the forte of the hill style longbow. with stability in mind, imo mild r/d "D" longbows have somewhat less than hill style longbows and somewhat more than aggressive r/d longbows.
shorter limbed stick bows can be, might be, usually have the potential for more speed, too.
Post by: NormanDale33 on November 08, 2011, 03:13:00 PM
Vince sure makes a very nice bow, and I can see a couple more in my future.
Is my longer draw length too long for a 64" bow? If it is I better start looking far a 66" mohawk :) I don't notice any stacking, but I definitely don't want to hurt the bow.
Post by: Rick Butler on November 08, 2011, 03:43:00 PM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/5bcxad.jpg)
Here's my son Sean shooting his Longwalker.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/1zey1ih.jpg)
Post by: AdAstraAiroh on November 08, 2011, 05:30:00 PM
" 7. Longbow - (L.B.)
a. A one piece straight ended bow of any material, which when strung displays one continued unidirectional curve, which is measured as follows:
When the strung bow is placed with the bowstring in a vertical position, the angle as measured between the tangent of any point on the limb and an imaginary horizontal line must always decrease as this point is moved further away from the bow grip.
Where there is any doubt as to the continuing curve of the limb then a string-line laid from the end of the riser fade out to the commencement of the tip overlays (or if there are no overlays then the point at which the bow string is held in the nock groove) on the back of the strung bow shall show no gaps between the string line and the bow limb"
Mark
Post by: Larry m on November 08, 2011, 05:54:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 08, 2011, 06:13:00 PM
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Originally posted by AdAstraAiroh:NO, i don't see that at all ... i see a few folks that don't understand what is and what isn't a mild r/d "D" longbow, - but just a few and NOT "many individuals".
It certainly seems that there is a great deal of variation in what many individuals feel is "D shaped" when strung. Here is the IFAA definition (rule) for determination of a longbow, as they require a complete D shape for the full length of the limb when braced.
" 7. Longbow - (L.B.)
a. A one piece straight ended bow of any material, which when strung displays one continued unidirectional curve, which is measured as follows:
When the strung bow is placed with the bowstring in a vertical position, the angle as measured between the tangent of any point on the limb and an imaginary horizontal line must always decrease as this point is moved further away from the bow grip.
Where there is any doubt as to the continuing curve of the limb then a string-line laid from the end of the riser fade out to the commencement of the tip overlays (or if there are no overlays then the point at which the bow string is held in the nock groove) on the back of the strung bow shall show no gaps between the string line and the bow limb"
Mark
ah yes, the infamous ifaa and their twisted view on what bows to allow in their "classic longbow" tournaments. i pay NO ATTENTION to the ifaa, they have made a travesty of their classic longbow competition bow rules. their definition of a "classic longbow" is essentially an ELB "D" or AFL "D" (such as a howard hill). that would be well and good if they stuck to their guns and looked at competitors bows both braced AND unbraced. they don't. that's dumb. anyone with a mild r/d "D" longbow can shoot with it at an ifaa event and compete along with elb's and hill's. go figure.
i spent a few months of phone calls and emails with ifaa officials about their ridiculous rules years ago. dealing with with straight edges and geometric formulas in testing what bows are legal and what aren't, WITHOUT taking into account the bow's unbraced limb shape, and realizing that any true classic longbow is NOT competing on the same level as an r/d longbow, is pure silliness.
what is a mild r/d "D" longbow??? - just look at a braced bow's limbs - your EYES are your best measuring tool and you will know darn quick if what you see is a "D" braced limb shape or not. yer looking for a continuous curve of the limbs, with absolutely NO RECURVE FLIP at the tip areas ... and no flat spots either. ;)
there ARE a few mild r/d longbows that ALMOST sorta go flat at the tips and aren't true "D" shape. big deal. this isn't a contest. and thankfully no one needs the ifaa police to judge what ya got. call it a mild r/d "D" longbow and just enjoy.
the bottom line name to this longbow game is still, will always be ... TRAD BOWHUNTING! :thumbsup:
Post by: Sant-Ravenhill on November 08, 2011, 06:42:00 PM
Thanks for posting the series of pictures. A picture truly is worth a thousand words.
Again, thanks!
Post by: WESTBROOK on November 08, 2011, 08:46:00 PM
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Robertson%20bows/DSC01537.jpg)
All Red Elm
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Robertson%20bows/P7270022.jpg)
The best grip I ever had a hold of
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Robertson%20bows/DSC01538.jpg)
I would like to get this one back if I could find her, Robertson Vision 60 @ 29"
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Robertson%20bows/P7270030.jpg)
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Robertson%20bows/P7270025.jpg)
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Robertson%20bows/P7270027.jpg)
Post by: JamesKerr on November 08, 2011, 09:21:00 PM
Post by: pdk25 on November 08, 2011, 09:21:00 PM
Oops. Looks like someone beat me to it.
Post by: JamesKerr on November 08, 2011, 09:25:00 PM
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Originally posted by Bowjunkie:Can I have one? :knothead:
How 'bout a peek beyond the realm of glass bows?
Here's Rose, a bamboo backed yew d/r I made. Talk about light n lively! This bow is feather lite in the hand, 70# @ 28", and casts arrows faster and farther than any of my other glass bows or bamboo backed bows of other woods, all with identical profiles and draw weights. With yew and bamboo, there's just less dead weight.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Jeff_Durnell/Rose_Lioness/Rosename.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Jeff_Durnell/Rose_Lioness/Rose3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/Jeff_Durnell/Rose_Lioness/Roserdstrung.jpg)
Post by: kestimator on November 08, 2011, 09:30:00 PM
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Post by: Ben Maher on November 08, 2011, 10:19:00 PM
That is a Chief I reckon ...
Post by: Aussie Stickbow Hunter on November 08, 2011, 11:16:00 PM
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Originally posted by pdk25:pdk & JamesKerr,
As long as we are going to be picky, just looking at your limb profile and it looks like you should call it reflex-deflex-reflex by your criteria.
Oops. Looks like someone beat me to it.
You are correct in what you say however those bows have just been known as being reflex/deflex in design. The static recurved tips of this type of recurve are needed for it to function properly with relation to string angle etc.
This little nit pick doesn't change the validity of what I have said in my previous posts however. :)
Jeff
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on November 09, 2011, 12:35:00 AM
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bow%20building/Boot%20Hill/SANY0032.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bow%20building/Boot%20Hill/SANY0027.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bow%20building/Boot%20Hill/SANY0029.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bow%20building/Boot%20Hill/SANY0030.jpg)
here she is unbraced...
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bow%20building/Boot%20Hill/SANY0006.jpg)
This Bow was a gift for a friend of mine you guys might know as Captain Dick. here's a film clip of the presentation at Western States Rendezvous.
click on the photo to start the video..
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/3D%20pics/th_DicksBow.jpg) (http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/3D%20pics/?action=view¤t=DicksBow.mp4)
Post by: Ben Maher on November 09, 2011, 08:10:00 AM
looks a dandy ! Great video too mate , one of the best things I have seen ages ! Cap'n Dick is one of the good blokes ! Good on you sir !
How does she shoot ?
Post by: straitera on November 09, 2011, 10:29:00 AM
Post by: Mike Mecredy on November 09, 2011, 11:23:00 AM
Yew and 'boo
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/jillanmike/Yewboo.jpg)
Osage Orange and 'boo
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/jillanmike/Osagenboo001.jpg)
Red oak and deer rawhide,
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/jillanmike/105_0530.jpg)
Osage Orange and sinew
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/jillanmike/auctionstuff002-2.jpg)
Post by: Mike Mecredy on November 09, 2011, 12:16:00 PM
Post by: Bob B. on November 09, 2011, 01:03:00 PM
Bob.
Post by: AdAstraAiroh on November 09, 2011, 04:44:00 PM
URL=http://images.imagelinky.com/1320874576.jpg] (http://images.imagelinky.com/1320874576.jpg)[/URL]
(http://images.imagelinky.com/1320874938.jpg) (http://images.imagelinky.com/1320874938.jpg)
Post by: Bernd on November 09, 2011, 05:51:00 PM
I'd like to throw in my "new to me" Great plains Bamboo longbow.
66" long, 50*@28".
Nice shooter, good looking and very reliable.
I have some nice pictures, but just still can't figure it out how to post them. If anybody is interested, perhaps I could send the photos to one of you who can post them.
Thanks,
Bernd
Post by: T Sunstone on November 09, 2011, 06:53:00 PM
(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee178/sunstone/P1010833.jpg)
Post by: T Sunstone on November 09, 2011, 06:53:00 PM
Post by: T Sunstone on November 09, 2011, 06:54:00 PM
Post by: T Sunstone on November 09, 2011, 06:55:00 PM
Post by: Larry m on November 09, 2011, 07:07:00 PM
I like your taste in bows. Nice design and very GOOD looking!!!
Interesting thread Rob.
Post by: Bob B. on November 09, 2011, 09:18:00 PM
Damn buddy, take me hunting with you!!!! Nice bucks man!! :notworthy:
Post by: Fletcher on November 09, 2011, 10:14:00 PM
That said, it is a fairly minor thing and we all know what they're talking about. I won't buy a bow from a builder that calls it an R/D, tho; it tells me that he has never really studied what he was doing.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 09, 2011, 10:41:00 PM
r/d (or d/r) is merely referring to reflex in the limbs and deflex in the riser. put it in whatever order makes ya happy. i've never heard or seen in print where there is a grammatical rule or precedence that requires it to be one way or the other. perhaps i just look at it as the simplistic street vernacular of traditional archery, 'n y'all knows what i mean, don't'cha, eh? ;)
oh, and this thing ...
(http://jjchally.smugmug.com/photos/i-7NmRVtw/0/M/i-7NmRVtw-M.jpg)
... is, imho, r/d/r - reflexed at the limb's ends, deflexed at mid-limb and reflexed again at the riser. as always, ymmv. :D
Post by: pdk25 on November 09, 2011, 10:48:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Fletcher:
....... I won't buy a bow from a builder that calls it an R/D, tho; it tells me that he has never really studied what he was doing. [/QUOTE
Sorry. I like my bows too much too be limited like that. Just because they call it r/d doesn't mean they don't know the difference or how to build a great bow. Check out some of the sponsor websites for their descriptions. Maybe they are catering to us ignorant yanks, but so be it.
Post by: Mike Mecredy on November 10, 2011, 12:06:00 AM
Post by: Mike Mecredy on November 10, 2011, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 10, 2011, 07:34:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Mike Mecredy::D
I just checked my website; I have them listed as Deflex/reflex, so I guess I'm good to go.
Post by: SteveL on November 10, 2011, 11:41:00 PM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff43/Reddog_300/110_1551.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff43/Reddog_300/110_1552.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff43/Reddog_300/110_1553-1.jpg)
Post by: Mike Mecredy on November 11, 2011, 12:19:00 AM
Oh and here's a bow
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/jillanmike/Mutt001.jpg)
Post by: LarryWalling on November 11, 2011, 05:48:00 AM
Post by: 3Under on November 11, 2011, 09:11:00 AM
I thought my fav' R/D Wes Wallace Royal would qualify, but after putting a straight edge to the limb tips when strung there is a slight recurve to the last 6 inches not counting the reinfourcing wedge on the back side of the limb nocks.
Almost un-noticeable but with an over all "D" look. Guess I'll have disqualify the W.W. Royal! :confused:
Post by: Bob B. on November 11, 2011, 09:13:00 AM
Also, I wish I was better at posting pics, my Deathwish is very quiet and real fast. The limb design is narrow and deep with a bit of R/D. It is shock free and has excellent cast, traped from the belly to the back. Steve makes a fantastic bow as well.
Bob.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 11, 2011, 09:17:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by 3Under:you mean this one?
Rob,
I thought my fav' R/D Wes Wallace Royal would qualify, but after putting a straight edge to the limb tips when strung there is a slight recurve to the last 6 inches not counting the reinfourcing wedge on the back side of the limb nocks.
Almost un-noticeable but with an over all "D" look. Guess I'll have disqualify the W.W. Royal! :confused:
(http://weswallacebows.com/images/lbowstrung.gif)
i took that image off wes's site. there does appear to be a reflexed flat spot near the tips, but heck, who cares, not me? :D
Post by: WDELongbow on November 11, 2011, 09:28:00 AM
Post by: 3Under on November 11, 2011, 09:46:00 AM
Guess I'm back in the club on my Royal (BTW I still have my T.D. 62" Mohawk "card" up my sleeve). :biglaugh:
The Old Guy
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 11, 2011, 06:13:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Mike Mecredy:now that's what i'm talkin' about, mike - a beautiful mild R/D "D". :D
Well, God forbid I accidently call it a Reflex/Deflex and look like I don't know my backside from hole in the ground. I might loose a sale or two and put me in the poor house.
Oh and here's a bow
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/jillanmike/Mutt001.jpg)
Post by: Kid's Pastor on November 11, 2011, 08:28:00 PM
Post by: Red Beastmaster on November 11, 2011, 08:48:00 PM
A bow which surprised the heck out of me is my Greatree Solo black longbow. It is 68", 45# @ 28", mild D/R and smooth as any custom I ever shot. I bought it dirt cheap as a beater to shoot stumps and groundhogs. I reshaped the grip with a file and some electrical tape then covered with a rubber sleeve. Holy Cow does this thing shoot! Although I did not get a shot, I did carry it during part of our PA bowseason fully confident it would do the job if needed.
Post by: Sixby on November 11, 2011, 09:51:00 PM
Is this cheating???? :biglaugh:
God bless you all, steve
Post by: SCATTERSHOT on November 11, 2011, 10:09:00 PM
Post by: Mike Mecredy on November 12, 2011, 12:37:00 AM
Post by: Mohawkbows on November 12, 2011, 11:33:00 AM
Post by: tex-archer on November 12, 2011, 06:37:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 12, 2011, 06:41:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by tex-archer:if yer elburg strings to a "D" then it counts!
Does an old Elburg count? I love this old Elburg I have. I am thinking about having a Mohawk made for me in the near future though. I love the "D" bows!!
if you haven't already, check the classifieds right now! :cool:
Post by: Fletcher on November 13, 2011, 11:09:00 AM
Post by: tex-archer on November 14, 2011, 04:39:00 PM
Post by: Mike Mecredy on November 16, 2011, 03:21:00 PM
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/jillanmike/hhillbowz.jpg)
(only 48" long though)
Post by: ken denton on November 26, 2011, 04:09:00 PM
Post by: Mohawkbows on November 26, 2011, 09:03:00 PM
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s312/mohawkbows/pan/2011_1102nebraska0001.jpg)
Post by: Shinken on November 26, 2011, 09:25:00 PM
WAY TO GO!!!
Enjoy the feast!
Shoot straight, Shinken
:archer2:
Post by: Eric Sprick on November 26, 2011, 10:19:00 PM
Eric
Post by: Pat B. on November 27, 2011, 12:03:00 AM
Congrats on a fine buck, Vince! You are really getting it done this season.
Post by: Fletcher on November 27, 2011, 12:07:00 AM
Post by: Steve Clandinin on November 27, 2011, 02:56:00 AM
Post by: Friend on November 27, 2011, 08:16:00 AM
I have definately just learned enough now to be dangerous.
Post by: pdk25 on November 27, 2011, 08:23:00 AM
Post by: Shedrock on November 27, 2011, 01:58:00 PM
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n486/Shedrock1/P1010997.jpg)
My new Herb Meland, "Nighthawk", (Pronghorn Custom Bows)
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 27, 2011, 02:06:00 PM
Post by: S.C. Hunter on November 27, 2011, 02:20:00 PM
I wish I could get some pictures up. I have had too many of these to list and wish I had some back. I have one that will be leaving soon to help someone else just like I was helped by a special individual. Good hunting and God Bless.
Post by: JJB on November 27, 2011, 03:22:00 PM
-Jay
(http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab47/jabjorkl_bucket/Longbow1-1.jpg)
(http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab47/jabjorkl_bucket/Longbow2.jpg)
Post by: hawk22 on November 27, 2011, 04:50:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on November 27, 2011, 05:20:00 PM
Walnut handle & veneers, Boo limb core
Eric
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P2080015.jpg)
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P2080011.jpg)
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P2080012.jpg)
Post by: Mohawkbows on November 27, 2011, 05:58:00 PM
Post by: JJB on November 27, 2011, 06:28:00 PM
-Jay
Post by: tex-archer on January 12, 2012, 06:21:00 PM
Post by: David Yukon on January 12, 2012, 11:57:00 PM
Post by: cedar on January 13, 2012, 10:25:00 AM
Post by: Lamey on January 13, 2012, 10:33:00 AM
Post by: David Yukon on January 13, 2012, 02:14:00 PM
Post by: Covey on January 13, 2012, 02:31:00 PM
Keep'em comin, I love pictures!
Jason
Post by: Steelhead on January 13, 2012, 03:14:00 PM
This babies nice and the best shooting Mohawk yet for me.It would be hard to beat.I would like to try that Sparrowhawk now :) .
Post by: Hatrick on January 13, 2012, 08:51:00 PM
My other forms are more radical and a stringfollow model.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/Hatrick/2New1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/Hatrick/2New3.jpg)
Different bow...same form:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/Hatrick/SLB005DBowWGrip.jpg)
OK...finally, this one shows the classic "D" a little better,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/Hatrick/Curly%20Baraga/CurlyBaraga8.jpg)
Post by: Hatrick on January 13, 2012, 08:59:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/Hatrick/Longbow%20Build/LBBuild5.jpg)
Post by: ron w on January 13, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
Post by: Arwin on January 13, 2012, 09:37:00 PM
St. Joe River longbow 58 inches 53@28
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g128/ad2877/projects/004.jpg)
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g128/ad2877/projects/002.jpg)
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g128/ad2877/projects/0022.jpg)
Post by: sawtoothscream on January 14, 2012, 02:50:00 AM
Post by: Peckerwood on January 14, 2012, 04:44:00 PM
The Fox is the only bow I have ever shot that has NO vibration after the shot.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/warrenjr/P1010299.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/warrenjr/P1010300.jpg)
Post by: 30coupe on January 14, 2012, 07:11:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/30coupe/Mahaska%20bow/Mahaska1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/30coupe/Mahaska%20bow/Mahaska003.jpg)
I took my first deer with it.
Post by: Red Tailed Hawk on January 14, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Bladepeek:Just Recently acquired this Abbott from Ron. This R/D puts em right where your looking.
I'm with the Abbott
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Abbott%20longbow/Abbottrisermarkings.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Abbott%20longbow/Abbottname.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Abbott%20longbow/Abbottleftside.jpg)
Post by: Bob B. on January 14, 2012, 09:32:00 PM
Bob.
Post by: bjansen on January 14, 2012, 09:33:00 PM
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr287/bjjanse/Picture095.jpg)
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr287/bjjanse/CopyofPicture096.jpg)
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr287/bjjanse/Picture086.jpg)
Post by: Bob B. on January 14, 2012, 09:44:00 PM
You made that?! Man that is a sexy looking bow! What are the specs - how long, poundage, materials etc? Great looking bow!! :archer:
Bob.
Post by: David Yukon on January 15, 2012, 01:03:00 AM
Post by: Wannabe1 on January 15, 2012, 03:32:00 AM
Post by: Bel007 on January 15, 2012, 10:02:00 AM
Very smooth shooting bows with a little more zip than a true Hill style flat bow.
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii47/bel007/for%20sale/IMG_0902.jpg)
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii47/bel007/for%20sale/IMG_0892.jpg)
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii47/bel007/for%20sale/IMG_0893.jpg)
Post by: owlbait on January 15, 2012, 10:28:00 AM
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa7/owlbait/IMG_0859.jpg)
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa7/owlbait/IMG_0861.jpg)
Post by: ron w on January 15, 2012, 11:28:00 AM
Post by: bjansen on January 16, 2012, 12:44:00 PM
Post by: Fletcher on January 16, 2012, 01:45:00 PM
Post by: Bob B. on January 16, 2012, 01:51:00 PM
Here you go, Steve's website ...
http://www.abbottlongbows.com/
Bob.
Post by: David Yukon on January 16, 2012, 02:17:00 PM
Post by: Warren Cowen on January 17, 2012, 04:55:00 PM
Post by: Curveman on January 17, 2012, 06:23:00 PM
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j2/stevet_01/GLII.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j2/stevet_01/015-Jun212009-photo_0015.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j2/stevet_01/Jarmos2010.jpg)
Border GL Takedown "GL" stands for "glassless."
We've had this conversation before but for me, I just look at a strung bow and if "looks D" I call it a longbow, if it looks hybrid (riser or limbs) I call it that, and if it looks like a recurve-then it is! :D No one else has to subscribe to my definition however. I just don't "feel" like I'm shooting a longbow when I am shooting a hybrid but I do feel like I am shooting a longbow when I am shooting a Hill OR a "mild R/D, "D" bow. Only if they both have that "broom handle" though and not a "recurve riser" but don't get me started! :D
Post by: soap creek on January 17, 2012, 09:57:00 PM
Post by: David Yukon on January 18, 2012, 12:25:00 AM
Post by: shick on January 18, 2012, 07:19:00 AM
Shick
Post by: Warren Cowen on January 18, 2012, 09:28:00 AM
Post by: Red Tailed Hawk on January 18, 2012, 06:48:00 PM
Post by: Shawn Rackley on January 19, 2012, 01:59:00 PM
Post by: falconview on January 19, 2012, 02:49:00 PM
4 Fredrick's longbows, 2 blacktails, JD Berry Apollo
RER, Harrison/Robertson collaboration , wallce mountain,
Wes Wallace royal, Big Jim Buffalo, shrew- super shrew
custom delux.
And I highly recommend any of these bows
Post by: wapiti792 on January 19, 2012, 02:51:00 PM
*Do takedowns count? Brian's D-shaped takedown is mighty fine :)
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/wapiti792/muliehunt007.jpg)
*I used to think I wouldn't like a Dshape bow, but after shooting several critters with it, me thinks I doth protest too much.
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/wapiti792/IMG_1560.jpg)
Post by: Owlgrowler on January 21, 2012, 02:42:00 PM
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Owlgrowler/DSCF0150_1166.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Owlgrowler/DSCF0144_1160.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Owlgrowler/DSCF0147_1163.jpg)
In action
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Owlgrowler/DSCF0133_1149.jpg)
There is a spike in there somewhere!
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Owlgrowler/DSCF0128_1144.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Owlgrowler/IMGP0061.jpg)
Back when I thought spikes should be taken out of the gene pool :knothead:
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Owlgrowler/IMGP0065.jpg)
Good one for NJ
Post by: on January 22, 2012, 02:23:00 AM
Post by: PV on January 26, 2012, 10:56:00 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Shortbldtr/Bows/IMG_1569.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Shortbldtr/Bows/IMG_1557.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Shortbldtr/Bows/IMG_1560.jpg)
Post by: kestimator on February 09, 2012, 08:12:00 AM
What is the make of your 47# "go to bow"??
Great looking rig!!!!
Post by: Bob B. on February 21, 2012, 12:40:00 PM
So, anybody else shhot an Abbott or a Deathwish longbow?
Bob.
Post by: ron w on February 21, 2012, 01:40:00 PM
Post by: Red Tailed Hawk on February 21, 2012, 04:06:00 PM
Finest bow that I have shot to date for all the reasons you just mentioned. It's the reason a lot of my other bows have been getting dusty.
Post by: khardrunner on February 21, 2012, 04:57:00 PM
Post by: JV Rooster on February 21, 2012, 07:25:00 PM
Post by: daveycrockett on February 21, 2012, 07:51:00 PM
Post by: JV Rooster on February 21, 2012, 08:01:00 PM
Post by: Red Tailed Hawk on February 21, 2012, 08:19:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by JV Rooster:I just ordered a new one last week, Steve said I should have it in 30 days. WWWWWOOOOOEEEEEE!!!!!
I also love abbotts. Steve makes one heck of a bow. Will be ordering another one here soon. Abbotts shoot so good for me that i have no need to try others. Why change a good thing.
Cant Wait. :campfire:
Post by: Red Tailed Hawk on February 21, 2012, 08:20:00 PM
Post by: JV Rooster on February 21, 2012, 08:36:00 PM
Post by: steadman on February 21, 2012, 09:10:00 PM
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/IMG_3077.jpg)
Some mojo was sent with it though :)
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/2010Kaylabdayandmoosehunt027.jpg)
Here are a couple I've built and some critters taken. Now if I could just find some work and get some funds to get me my own mohawk :)
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/IMG_2513.jpg)
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/IMG_0096.jpg)
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/IMG_0069-1.jpg)
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/IMG_0116.jpg)
Post by: daveycrockett on February 21, 2012, 09:15:00 PM
Post by: bayhunter on March 10, 2012, 09:24:00 PM
Post by: TJK68 on March 10, 2012, 10:25:00 PM
"D" shaped longbow I have owned, and I must say that I really love it. I love the way it shoots and handles, very smooth, quite bow. The bow is a hard hitter as well, shoots really hard, nice cast to it. It would not take much to make me get another. LOL.....
Post by: bluej on March 11, 2012, 09:12:00 PM
Post by: khardrunner on March 27, 2012, 09:12:00 AM
please do not post images wider than 640
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/khardrunner14/IMG_1008.jpg)
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/khardrunner14/IMG_1010.jpg)
Post by: CJ Pearson on March 27, 2012, 09:59:00 AM
I love the D style bows. Good post Rob!
Post by: Bladepeek on March 27, 2012, 11:53:00 AM
I have one coming now - 66" and 5# lighter that I know without even shooting it yet, will be a real pleasure to shoot.
My two hybrids are not going to be put out to pasture and I will probably continue to use my 50# Kevin Cramer recurve for much of my hunting, but there is definitely something indefinable but noticeable about turning an arrow loose from a "D" type. Romance, history, I don't know. I do know I won't be without one anymore.
Post by: JRY309 on March 27, 2012, 02:48:00 PM
Post by: mjh on March 27, 2012, 04:03:00 PM
Post by: PaddyMac on March 27, 2012, 04:29:00 PM
It really makes me concentrate on my form. My recurve will let me "throw" the bow up and then drop it as I shoot and still be pretty accurate. Not with the Stick. If I don't follow through with both the bow and string hand bad things definitely happen. I can really feel myself make the mistake. With the Stick I know when I'm going to hit or miss the very instant I release.
Post by: awbowman on March 27, 2012, 05:10:00 PM
Post by: Gufunk on March 27, 2012, 10:41:00 PM
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x442/Gufunk/Picture029.jpg) (http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x442/Gufunk/Picture014.jpg)
Post by: Ralphie on March 28, 2012, 07:39:00 AM
I was told almost no reflex reflex bows can be used.
My apologies if this has already been mentioned; I went through the thread quickly, and only read it "a little bit, all the way through".
the rules;
These specs are also used for the Texas Longbow Championship.
Acceptable Bows Must Meet The Following Specifications: Only Howard Hill Longbows, Howard Hill Style Longbows or Straight Limb Longbows Will Be Allowed To Participate In This Competition No Weighted Risers ~ No Center Shot Longbows ~ No Pistol Grip Handles Bow Specifications: Maximum Handle Dimensions: 3 Inches Above Shelf, Bow Cannot Be Thicker Than 1 1/8 Inches (Back To Belly) From This Point To Tip Of Bow 6 Inches Below Shelf, Bow Cannot Be Thicker Than 1 ½ Inches (Back To Belly) From This Point To Tip Braced Bows Cannot Have The String Touch Either Limb After The String Leaves The Tip There Will Be A Jig To Place The Bow In To See If It Meets Requirements
Post by: coaster500 on March 28, 2012, 09:54:00 AM
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c210/coaster500/YewBow001-1.jpg)
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c210/coaster500/YewBow011.jpg)
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c210/coaster500/YewBow015.jpg)
Post by: Steve Clandinin on March 28, 2012, 10:33:00 AM
Post by: Bladepeek on March 28, 2012, 03:29:00 PM
Mohawk Sparrowhawk, 66", 45@28. Arrived this morning in the mail and I just had to quit shooting 2 1/2 hours later - totally worn out. Haven't had a chance to tune up some arrows yet. She's not cut to center and I was shooting some set up for my 44# hybrid, so they are hitting well left, but very consistantly left. Groups are as tight as any I've ever shot, group after group after group.....
This one's a keeper for sure.
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Mohawk%20Sparrowhawk/001.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Mohawk%20Sparrowhawk/005.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Mohawk%20Sparrowhawk/003.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Mohawk%20Sparrowhawk/004.jpg)
Post by: coaster500 on March 28, 2012, 04:42:00 PM
Nice Sparrowhawk Ron :)
Post by: Pokerdaddy on March 28, 2012, 10:23:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 29, 2012, 07:05:00 AM
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Originally posted by Ralphie:at the risk of hijacking my own topic, this thread is about HYBRID R/D longbows that brace to a "D" shape, not about hill style longbows, which are clearly AFL's - American Flat Longbows that are straight limbed, or have subtle limb REFLEX or BACK SET (aka "STRING FOLLOW").
For what it is worth, Here are the rules by which the Howard Hill annual competition in Alabama adheres to. One's bow has to adhere to this to shoot in the competition.
I was told almost no reflex reflex bows can be used.
My apologies if this has already been mentioned; I went through the thread quickly, and only read it "a little bit, all the way through".
the rules;
These specs are also used for the Texas Longbow Championship.
Acceptable Bows Must Meet The Following Specifications: Only Howard Hill Longbows, Howard Hill Style Longbows or Straight Limb Longbows Will Be Allowed To Participate In This Competition No Weighted Risers ~ No Center Shot Longbows ~ No Pistol Grip Handles Bow Specifications: Maximum Handle Dimensions: 3 Inches Above Shelf, Bow Cannot Be Thicker Than 1 1/8 Inches (Back To Belly) From This Point To Tip Of Bow 6 Inches Below Shelf, Bow Cannot Be Thicker Than 1 ½ Inches (Back To Belly) From This Point To Tip Braced Bows Cannot Have The String Touch Either Limb After The String Leaves The Tip There Will Be A Jig To Place The Bow In To See If It Meets Requirements
i'm amazed at how many folks still don't understand the difference 'tween a "hill style AFL" longbow and any manner of "hybrid r/d longbow".
fwiw and imho, the texas AFL rules are overkill. it's quite easy to tell the difference 'tween an AFL and a longbow that has any amount of r/d snake to the limbs, and that's all that should matter. dimensioning an AFL does it no justice - who cares what the limb core dimensions are or whether it cut to center shot or not? what bearing does any of that have to do with anything? well, performance-wise, *nothing* at all. the ONLY really noticeable performance boost will occur when you snake the limbs to some form of r/d ... or d/r, however one wants to align the "reflex" and "deflex" words - reflex in the limbs, deflex in the riser.
all that matters with an AFL is that the limbs aren't r/d in any way, and that the bowstring only touches the limb nocks, as it should with any longbow whether AFL or aggressive r/d hybrid.
Post by: bayhunter on March 29, 2012, 09:51:00 AM
Post by: Gil Verwey on March 29, 2012, 02:01:00 PM
Zero hand shock, performs great and dead silent. I shoot it great too, compared to any other bow I shoot or have shot.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv324/distantmeadows/Croc2.jpg)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv324/distantmeadows/Croc1.jpg)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv324/distantmeadows/Croc3.jpg)
Here is a group at 20 yds. I like it!
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv324/distantmeadows/ACS062.jpg)
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 29, 2012, 02:22:00 PM
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Originally posted by bayhunter:i don't know. just saying a bow is a "D" means NOTHING.
Rob would the tolke d be considered a hill or r/d?
i looked at dan's site and saw his "super D" but didn't see any images of it unbraced and full length - that is the ONLY way to tell whether a longbow is a hill style AFL or a hybrid r/d that braces to a "D" shape. those two longbow types are worlds apart in both shooting "feel" and performance.
Post by: PaddyMac on March 29, 2012, 04:12:00 PM
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/polepick/hybridgrip-1.jpg)
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 29, 2012, 04:39:00 PM
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Originally posted by PaddyMac:NO, a hybrid longbow has nothing to do with the handle/grip shape. neither does a an AFL hill style longbow.
Here is a shot of my riser and grip, with its pistol grip (which is what makes it a "hybrid," right?) I thought the shape would ease the transition from recurve to longbow and make it easier to go back and forth.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/polepick/hybridgrip-1.jpg)
for a hybrid longbow to be a hybrid, it's all about the limb riser design, 'R/D'. REFLEX/DEFLEX - "look for the snake" when unbraced!
Post by: PaddyMac on March 29, 2012, 04:45:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 29, 2012, 04:55:00 PM
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Originally posted by PaddyMac:there ya go! :thumbsup:
Ah. Got it. Thanks. Yup. Mine has that.
Post by: awbowman on March 29, 2012, 05:08:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:I'm a newbie, but I do have a Super D. The best way I can describe it is:
QuoteOriginally posted by bayhunter:i don't know. just saying a bow is a "D" means NOTHING.
Rob would the tolke d be considered a hill or r/d?
i looked at dan's site and saw his "super D" but didn't see any images of it unbraced and full length - that is the ONLY way to tell whether a longbow is a hill style AFL or a hybrid r/d that braces to a "D" shape. those two longbow types are worlds apart in both shooting "feel" and performance. [/b]
Unbraced the end of the tips have a very slight curve AWAY from the grip (I'd say between 1/8" to 1/4" reflex). In other words, if you layed the bow horizontal on a table with the BACK of the bow facing the table, the grip would be about 1/8 to 1/4" off the table. It has no deflex in the handle or the limbs that I can tell. Not sure if it would qualify for a AFL. It braces to a "D" shape, that's for sure.
Post by: khardrunner on March 29, 2012, 09:34:00 PM
Post by: jsweka on March 29, 2012, 10:07:00 PM
This should help folks tell the difference between r/d and hill styles.
please, pix no wider than 64o
http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/LongbowTypes.jpg
Post by: slivrslingr on March 29, 2012, 10:07:00 PM
(http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy218/nipponarcher/IMG_0711.jpg)
(http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy218/nipponarcher/IMG_0731.jpg)
(http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy218/nipponarcher/IMG_0732.jpg)
It's left handed and a bit heavy for shooting on my "wrong" side but a really nice bow. When I get back Stateside, I'm either going to put it back up for sale or see about taking some weight off.
Post by: awbowman on March 29, 2012, 10:27:00 PM
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Originally posted by jsweka:I'll process some pictures tomorrow. It's closest to the Hill Reflex except only about the last 8" of the tips show any reflex. The rest of the bow is straight. I don't really care what it is, it's the best shooting bow i have ever placed my hand on.
A picture is worth a thousand words.
This should help folks tell the difference between r/d and hill styles.
please, pix no wider than 64o
http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/LongbowTypes.jpg
Post by: awbowman on March 29, 2012, 10:29:00 PM
Post by: jsweka on March 29, 2012, 10:59:00 PM
Post by: awbowman on March 30, 2012, 09:43:00 AM
Riser
(http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh601/ftrahan/Picture154.jpg)
Shows tip
(http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh601/ftrahan/Picture156.jpg)
Shows Full length
(http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh601/ftrahan/Picture152.jpg)
Post by: CJ Pearson on March 30, 2012, 10:06:00 AM
Post by: ron w on March 30, 2012, 12:18:00 PM
Post by: khardrunner on March 30, 2012, 12:37:00 PM
Very nice!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 30, 2012, 12:38:00 PM
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Originally posted by ron w:sight down each limb and look for a curve - if its there, it's not an American Flat Longbow (ie - "Howard Hill"), and it's a hybrid. if it's a true "D" shape when strung, it's got "mild r/d".
My Toelke Super "D" when placed against a wall the handle/grip area is about 1 3/8" from the wall [very slight reflex]. When strung is "D" shaped!
however, if there is no curve to the limbs, and they're either dead straight, or slightly reflexed or slightly back set, then it's an AFL.
Post by: Gil Verwey on March 30, 2012, 01:11:00 PM
Thanks
Gil
Post by: ron w on March 30, 2012, 02:06:00 PM
Post by: NBK on March 30, 2012, 02:32:00 PM
Unstrung profile
(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab337/drmreilly/Legolasbow2012-03-30001.jpg)
Strung profile
(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab337/drmreilly/Legolasbow2012-03-30017.jpg)
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 30, 2012, 03:25:00 PM
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Originally posted by NBK:yup, u bet! :thumbsup:
My Dwyer Defiant belongs in this group I believe.
Post by: on March 30, 2012, 10:10:00 PM
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Eloquently expressed Rob and I wholeheartedly agree!
Just like the classic howard hill longbows of the 30's, 40's and 50's, and all the good bowyers that make their own classic hill versions, i believe that the mild r/d longbow that braces to a "D" shape is also on the road to become a classic modern longbow.
hopefully this appreciation thread will look to showcase any and all "D" r/d longbows, their bowyers, their owners and their harvested game. i've got some pix to post, but i'd much rather get some good posts, pics and hunt stories from other members first.
tell us about your mild r/d "D" longbow and your hunts with it!
:wavey: [/QB]
Post by: jpbruni on March 31, 2012, 12:39:00 AM
I happened to find this gem of a reflex/deflex in the Texasbowhunter.com classifieds this past January and I just completed a full restoration on it.
I don't know much about the bow at all and I can't find any info on the bowmakers. It is a Canyon Archery Traditions "Cougar" and was built in June of 2003 by Mike Baker and Ken Bentliss out in Canyon, Tx. Apparently is was the 4th bow they built!
It says it's a 62", 50#@28" RH, but it weighs out at 52# at 27", which is my exact draw length.
When I opened the box, I could see it was a unique bow! It had elk antler tips, a very cool arrow inlay and some very intricate lamination work. It came with rattler skins that were faded and pulling up in several places. It had a worn out string and a big, fat handle with a very thick leather grip. It was pretty rough and dinged up so that's why I decided to dive in and do a full restoration.
I re-shaped the handle, replaced the skins with a single Texas Rat Snake skin and completely refinished and Tru Oiled it.
The best part about the bow is that it shoots like a dream! It is very fast and a flat shooter. Several experienced archers have shot and all have said that it shoots extremely well. I could not be happier with it!
If anyone has any info on these bows, I sure would appreciate it!
Here are some pics...
(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h335/jpbruni/Canyon%20Archery%20Traditions%20Longbow/Bow7.jpg)
(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h335/jpbruni/Canyon%20Archery%20Traditions%20Longbow/Bow1.jpg)
(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h335/jpbruni/Canyon%20Archery%20Traditions%20Longbow/Bow2.jpg)
(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h335/jpbruni/Canyon%20Archery%20Traditions%20Longbow/Bow4.jpg)
(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h335/jpbruni/Canyon%20Archery%20Traditions%20Longbow/Bow3.jpg)
(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h335/jpbruni/Canyon%20Archery%20Traditions%20Longbow/Bow6.jpg)
(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h335/jpbruni/Canyon%20Archery%20Traditions%20Longbow/Bow5.jpg)
(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h335/jpbruni/Canyon%20Archery%20Traditions%20Longbow/Bow8.jpg)
J.P.
Post by: RC on March 31, 2012, 03:46:00 AM
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_1179.jpg)
Post by: Bladepeek on March 31, 2012, 08:34:00 AM
Post by: jpbruni on March 31, 2012, 11:32:00 AM
Just can't seem to find out any background on this darn thing!
J.P.
Post by: on March 31, 2012, 12:49:00 PM
Post by: on March 31, 2012, 12:52:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 31, 2012, 12:53:00 PM
Post by: grouseshooter002 on March 31, 2012, 01:01:00 PM
Does my Fox Triple Crown qualify? Thank you.
Regards,
Rick
Post by: Rob DiStefano on March 31, 2012, 01:09:00 PM
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THIS is a hybrid mild r/d longbow that braces to a "D" shape ...
(Mohawk - mild r/d "D")
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/mild-unbraced.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/mild-braced.jpg)
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the following longbows are NOT and will NEVER BE an r/d classic "D" longbow ...
(Thunderstick MOAB - aggressive r/d)
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/aggressive-unbraced.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/aggressive-braced.jpg)
(BamaBows Hunter - "Hill Style")
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/afl-unbraced.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/afl-braced.jpg)
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Post by: Shinken on March 31, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
Pics show what words cannot.....
Keep the wind in your face!
Shoot straight, Shinken
:archer2:
Post by: Brianlocal3 on April 05, 2012, 10:11:00 PM
Post by: on April 06, 2012, 04:40:00 AM
Post by: Stone Knife on April 06, 2012, 07:39:00 AM
Post by: Stone Knife on April 07, 2012, 06:26:00 PM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/420W/100_0935.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/420W/100_0934.jpg)
Post by: Stone Knife on April 07, 2012, 06:26:00 PM
Post by: Red Tailed Hawk on April 07, 2012, 06:42:00 PM
Post by: Stealth Man on April 07, 2012, 10:21:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on April 08, 2012, 12:04:00 AM
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on April 08, 2012, 11:29:00 PM
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Flatliner/Maggies%20Flatliner/SANY0030.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Flatliner/Maggies%20Flatliner/SANY0024.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Flatliner/Maggies%20Flatliner/SANY0007.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Flatliner/Maggies%20Flatliner/SANY0035.jpg)
Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 09, 2012, 07:02:00 AM
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Originally posted by Kirkll:maybe it's the pix, or my old eyes, but the limbs look like there's a small flat spot just before the tips, and not curved ... ?
Here you go Rob this one strings up with a D profile. I just finished this one with a slim handle and laid the belly ramps down.... does this one fit the bill?
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Flatliner/Maggies%20Flatliner/SANY0030.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Flatliner/Maggies%20Flatliner/SANY0024.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Flatliner/Maggies%20Flatliner/SANY0007.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Flatliner/Maggies%20Flatliner/SANY0035.jpg)
Post by: Red Tailed Hawk on April 09, 2012, 08:07:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on April 26, 2012, 01:37:00 PM
Post by: raghorns on April 26, 2012, 09:32:00 PM
(http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h386/Lyle_Shaulis/IMG_20110317_095132.jpg)
(http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h386/Lyle_Shaulis/IMG_20110317_092901-1.jpg)
Post by: BWD on April 28, 2012, 01:24:00 PM
(http://i892.photobucket.com/albums/ac125/bwduggan/bow1-3.jpg)
(http://i892.photobucket.com/albums/ac125/bwduggan/bow2-2.jpg)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on April 28, 2012, 05:28:00 PM
!["Photobucket"]("http://s1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/?action=view¤t=GreenNothernMist5.jpg")
)(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/GreenNothernMist5.jpg)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on April 28, 2012, 05:30:00 PM
brian, edit yer last post to see how i formated your photobucket image code.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on April 28, 2012, 05:31:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on April 28, 2012, 05:32:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/NM2.jpg)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on April 28, 2012, 05:33:00 PM
Here is the kicker!!!!! GREEN GLASS oh yeah
Post by: Brianlocal3 on April 28, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/NM3.jpg)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on April 28, 2012, 05:35:00 PM
and a tip for good measure
Post by: Brianlocal3 on April 28, 2012, 05:36:00 PM
Post by: Butch Speer on May 05, 2012, 11:42:00 AM
Post by: Shinken on May 05, 2012, 11:56:00 AM
Enjoy!
Shoot straight, Shinken
:archer2:
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 05, 2012, 12:09:00 PM
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on May 05, 2012, 01:37:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:Ok.... there is about 3" at the very tip that is almost flat.... but it actually has about .005 bend if you hold a straight edge on it. according to IFAA regulations a flat spot is still considered a a "D" shape as long as there is no reflex,...
QuoteOriginally posted by Kirkll:maybe it's the pix, or my old eyes, but the limbs look like there's a small flat spot just before the tips, and not curved ... ? [/b]
Here you go Rob this one strings up with a D profile. I just finished this one with a slim handle and laid the belly ramps down.... does this one fit the bill?
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Flatliner/Maggies%20Flatliner/SANY0030.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Flatliner/Maggies%20Flatliner/SANY0024.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Flatliner/Maggies%20Flatliner/SANY0007.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Flatliner/Maggies%20Flatliner/SANY0035.jpg)
Check this one out.... this on IS almost flat in the last 3". i can barely see daylight holding a straight edge on the tip, but it does rock a couple thousandths.
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Flatliner/G-10%20Classic%20riser/SANY0004.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Flatliner/G-10%20Classic%20riser/SANY0008.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Flatliner/G-10%20Classic%20riser/SANY0010.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Flatliner/SANY0019-3.jpg)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 05, 2012, 02:58:00 PM
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on May 05, 2012, 07:16:00 PM
Post by: owlbait on May 05, 2012, 07:27:00 PM
Post by: on May 06, 2012, 12:02:00 AM
Post by: on May 06, 2012, 12:05:00 AM
Post by: on May 06, 2012, 12:07:00 AM
Post by: on May 06, 2012, 12:14:00 AM
She is a pretty thing! Natural bamboo on the belly with a brown back.
(http://images.imagelinky.com/1336277309.jpg) (http://images.imagelinky.com/1336277309.jpg)
More pics to follow....
Post by: Butch Speer on May 06, 2012, 08:45:00 AM
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Originally posted by Butch Speer:Anybody?
I own two bow that meet the criteria here. One is a no name. Had a serial number but, the name had been removed. The other is a Liberty Contender Elite, with I just got in a trade. Wow! what a bow. My question is, both seem to shoot better with about a 7in. brace height. My HH is better at about 6in. Does anyone else need a higher brace on this type of bow?
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 06, 2012, 09:08:00 AM
Post by: cedar on May 06, 2012, 09:10:00 AM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 06, 2012, 09:19:00 AM
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on May 06, 2012, 01:08:00 PM
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Originally posted by owlbait:They are not going to be tested by Blacky..... I am in the process of building a very high tech testing facility myself that exceeds anything else out there. i will be offering my services to other bowyer's and private individuals too much like Blacky does in the near future. Only you'll get your bow back with the report after I'm done.
Can't wait to see how they test out with Blacky or where they place at the IBO Trad Championships this year! :thumbsup:
Post by: owlbait on May 06, 2012, 01:57:00 PM
Post by: SELFBOW19953 on May 06, 2012, 02:21:00 PM
ONE of those is NOT a "D" hybrid!
The bottom bow-a Game Getter Breakdown-in each picture (top bow is a Game Getter ll).
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[IMG]http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s331/selfbow19953/STOTLER/Omega3.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s331/selfbow19953/STOTLER/Omega4.jpg[/IMG]
Post by: owlbait on May 06, 2012, 02:40:00 PM
Post by: SELFBOW19953 on May 06, 2012, 03:00:00 PM
Ask and ye shall receive-Yew, walnut and yellow dymond wood.
(http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s331/selfbow19953/STOTLER/Omega1.jpg)
(http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s331/selfbow19953/STOTLER/56STOTLER5.jpg)
Post by: owlbait on May 06, 2012, 03:10:00 PM
Post by: 2treks on May 06, 2012, 03:34:00 PM
CTT
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on May 06, 2012, 05:43:00 PM
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Originally posted by owlbait:Well be prepared for a new "Titanium Standard" I've got enough aerospace parts and technology into this thing.... LOL!
Seems like a conflict of interest for a bowyer to test his bows, his competetion's bows, and then publish/present the results. No matter WHAT kind of equipment is used. I sure like the idea of independent testing facilities with no ties to anyone. That's why Blacky has become the Gold Standard when it comes to unbiased test results. :thumbsup: :archer:
All in due time Mr. Owlbait..... your opinion is duly noted.
This thread is about r/d longbows didn't mean to get side tracked here.....
those lost bows posted got some cool looking risers.... Who makes the "Game Getter" ?
Post by: SELFBOW19953 on May 06, 2012, 06:03:00 PM
Post by: Butch Speer on May 06, 2012, 11:05:00 PM
Bob,
I realize there is a recommended brace height from the manufacturer. I was just wondering if the r/d D bows had a higher brace than the norm on hill style bows. Thanks for the info.
Post by: Sixby on May 07, 2012, 01:05:00 AM
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Originally posted by Butch Speer:Butch, Great question. Here is the difference. because of the reflex in the D and R the bows generally require a slightly higher brace height than a D bow in order to be stable at brace. If the curve in the D and R is extreme then the bows tend too have less verticle stability. This is demonstrable just by taking the forfinger and thumb and pinching the string toward the bow limb. If if pinches very easily then the bow needs more brace or less reflex.
Thanks for the answers about the brace height.
Bob,
I realize there is a recommended brace height from the manufacturer. I was just wondering if the r/d D bows had a higher brace than the norm on hill style bows. Thanks for the info.
I will state right now that many bowyers and pros have great conflict over the importance of verticle stability. However a person with a mediocre or poor release will shoot much more consistantly with a bow that has strong vertical stability.
This said some bows have a very heavy reflex and still have acceptable stability and are very fast accurate bows in the hands of a good shooter. Others will swear at them instead of by them.
There is a place in the tweens and with proper layup of the laminations that will get you the speed and the stability. That is the great bow.
Some of the bows of this thread have just that right amount of D and R to have the speed and smoothness and still retain a good D profile./
Very few have found out how to get it all.The low 6 in brace height, stability and D shape when strung and still perform like a rocket launcher/
I have to honestly say I have not. I work at it all the time/. Still I have found the bow I consider to be the perfect hunter to still show a slight D and R shape to the limb when strung/ Working on that though./
Most bows that have D and R limbs will show D and R shape at 6 to 6 1/2 brace/ Usually they have to be braced at 7 1/2 to 8 1/2inches to attain good shape and stability/
God bless you all, Steve
Post by: Butch Speer on May 07, 2012, 08:50:00 AM
Appreciate the answer. I keep my brace height were ever the bow shoots best but, now I have a better understanding of they're all different.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 19, 2012, 02:49:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 12, 2012, 01:47:00 PM
Post by: landman on August 12, 2012, 02:42:00 PM
The definition of a longbow is pretty simple and if anyone needs clarification on that definition they should ply through the pages of Fred Asbell's section of Instinctive Shooting (Book I, I believe), that discusses what a long bow is and is not.
If it's not a longbow or a recurve or a self bow of some design it should probably be considered a hybrid.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 12, 2012, 04:14:00 PM
Post by: on August 12, 2012, 04:37:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 12, 2012, 05:56:00 PM
As I have read on the Hill thread, you have quite the plethora of knowledge with the Hill Style Longbow. Seeings as how you know are venturing into the Mild R/D world of D Shaped it is interesting to hear your comparison. I for one have owned both, and do not see an advantage per'se to either one. I still prefer a straight grip on my Mild D/R longbows. Stability on the very thin, deep cored NM Superior is of the same dimentions as the NM Hill style bows, so as far as limb stability there it is the same. And Steve has a very very mild R/D on his Huron and Superior.
A guy I shoot with on some saturdays (RPDuff) he owns quite a few Robertsons. I know of one Primal Styk, and I dont know if his other one is a Primal or the older model. And he has another Primal on order, so yeah he is a huge fan of them. I have shot two of his primals, and they are very solid performers.
I am still more partial to the NM Superior and Huron, but I admit to being a NM "fan boy." Steve Turays grips fit me the best of any LB I have have shot. I just dont like his wait time :)
Post by: Goshawkin on August 12, 2012, 06:47:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:Larry,If you come across a right handed Timberline,I'll trade you a nice mild r/d Meland Nighthawk for it!
, traded a Pete George for one.
:pray:
Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 12, 2012, 09:22:00 PM
How are Mohawk, dwyer , abbot, critter getter, etc. limb profiles. I very interested in this. Could y'all play along and list if your D bows are more of the Native american flatbow style(GN BushBow , NM Huron) or Hill style limb dimensions ( AFB)
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 14, 2012, 03:00:00 PM
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Originally posted by Brianlocal3:most r/d longbows, whether mild or aggressive, have somewhat narrower and deeper limbs than a hill style. the mohawk sparrowhawk has a limb cross section that's purposely much closer to hill style = narrower and deeper. there are a few others out there like this, as well.
Question for y'all. I know Rob and R.C. Are Mohawk junkies so you might know for sure on that bower. When dealing with Hill bows its about thin limbs and deep cores. And my superiors limbs are very thin and deep cored, I like that. And my Huron is Steve's flatbow , 1 1/2" wide and thin cores( I like it too) . The old hoyt Trophy longbow has really deep core and thin limbs also. VERY VERY classic D shaped longbow.
How are Mohawk, dwyer , abbot, critter getter, etc. limb profiles. I very interested in this. Could y'all play along and list if your D bows are more of the Native american flatbow style(GN BushBow , NM Huron) or Hill style limb dimensions ( AFB)
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Post by: Soonerlongbow on August 18, 2012, 06:01:00 PM
Shoots better than I can, though that's not saying much...
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 28, 2012, 09:34:00 PM
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Post by: Josh Perdue on November 28, 2012, 10:44:00 PM
Post by: Josh Perdue on November 28, 2012, 10:46:00 PM
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Originally posted by jshperdue:sorry for double post
Im still pretty new to trad and in the last year have gotten a custom striker takedown longbow, it is not d shaped, and recently a hoyt buffalo. The more and more I watch this thread I want to try one of those mohawks. Pretty sickening not learning to shoot what you have before wanting to try something else! They sure look cool though. That dark stained bamboo looks pretty nice.
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Post by: LAMADMAN on November 29, 2012, 03:55:00 AM
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 29, 2012, 05:35:00 AM
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Originally posted by LAMADMAN:that's a NOT a "D" shaped longbow! this thread is not about THAT kinda bow - why would post about that bow???
Just went through this whole thread and thought Id throw a little love to Tim Mullins at Acadian Woods. This is my new "Tree Stick" Hybrid. 58" 49# @ 28.5"
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 29, 2012, 05:49:00 AM
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HOW TO DETERMINE IF YOUR LONGBOW IS A HYBRID R/D CLASSIC "D"
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THIS is a hybrid mild r/d longbow that braces to a "D" shape ...
(Mohawk - mild r/d "D")
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/mild-unbraced.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/mild-braced.jpg)
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the following longbows are NOT and will NEVER BE an r/d classic "D" longbow ...
(Thunderstick MOAB - aggressive r/d)
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/aggressive-unbraced.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/aggressive-braced.jpg)
(BamaBows Hunter - "Hill Style")
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/afl-unbraced.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad-imgs/afl-braced.jpg)
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if you can see FLIP TO THE TIP on a BRACED longbow, it ain't a hybrid "D" longbow - it's an AGGRESSIVE HYBRID LONGBOW
if the UNBRACED bow has no SNAKE TO THE LIMBS and they're PERFECTLY STRAIGHT, it's NOT a hybrid classic "D" longbow, it's a HILL STYLE longbow.
Post by: Panzer on November 29, 2012, 07:45:00 AM
Post by: mtnwalker on November 29, 2012, 12:30:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 29, 2012, 12:37:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 29, 2012, 01:10:00 PM
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 29, 2012, 03:22:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:TONS of game killed with mild r/d longbows, but a few images shown HERE (http://mohawkbows.com/gallery.html)
There are no pics of game taken with the bend to a 'D' r/d bows on this. I went through my pics and do have on single picture on any digital format of game taken with the Robertsons, all film pictures or no pictures at all. Perhpas it is time for some game shots with the mild r/d bows. If I shoot something today, I must remember to get a picture.
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Post by: mtnwalker on November 30, 2012, 05:14:00 AM
Post by: LAMADMAN on November 30, 2012, 08:06:00 AM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:Just trying to add something to the thread Rob. Guess I lost sight of the original post after reviewing 20 pages,my bad.
QuoteOriginally posted by LAMADMAN:that's a NOT a "D" shaped longbow! this thread is not about THAT kinda bow - why would post about that bow??? [/QB]
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Are thier any agressive hybrids that can brace to a D or is it just not possible?
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 30, 2012, 08:30:00 AM
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Originally posted by LAMADMAN:not that i know of. when there's lots of snake to the limbs, the results are gonna be some amount of reflex or flat spot showing at the tips. it is what it is.
Are thier any agressive hybrids that can brace to a D or is it just not possible?
for the most part, there are marked differences in how each style of longbow (aggressive hybrid, mild r/d hybrid, true hill style) shoots and feels.
there is no doubt to me that aggressive hybrids are just a few degrees away from the feel and performance of a recurve. some can even match and/or exceed what a good recurve can accomplish. as such, they typically will lack some measure of the stability that is the trademark of hill style longbows.
on the other end of the spectrum is the hill style longbow that *might* have some offset to the limbs, either forward set ("reflex") or belly set ("string follow"). these bows are super stable and -imho- work best at the higher draw/holding weights. lots of wonderful olde tyme tradition in these machines ...
smack in the middle are the mild r/d hybrids that have some obvious snake to the *unbraced* limbs, but always brace to a smooth curve that's hard to tell apart from a braced true hill style longbow. you get added performance from this kinda longbow, plus a goodly measure of stability - as compared to a good hill style longbow.
special classic mild r/d "D" longbows like the mohawk "sparrowhawk" model have deeper (thicker) and narrower (width) limbs that get them even closer to the hill style limb planform.
no matter what, they're all good - pick out one (or more!) that make ya happiest to go hunting! :saywhat: :D
Post by: LAMADMAN on November 30, 2012, 08:56:00 AM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 30, 2012, 09:03:00 AM
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Originally posted by LAMADMAN:my moab is a Very Fast aggressive hybrid longbow, but none of the thundersticks brace to a "D". there aren't a lot of mild r/d "D" longbows to be found, but there are at least 3 or 4 bowyers i know of that do offer them.
Thanks Rob. Being somewhat new to this game I only have two longbows.A hill style made by floyd oaks, his tunica longbow, and my agressive acadian woods. I sure like the looks or your thundersticks, maybe i need to get one to make an acurate comparison.LOL
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Post by: KYArcher on November 30, 2012, 01:45:00 PM
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Post by: KYArcher on November 30, 2012, 02:21:00 PM
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 30, 2012, 03:09:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:nothing is etched in titanium and some unique bow differences can be found, but the very very large part, hill style bows have an inherent stability not found in r/d longbows. as with any trad bow style, all bets will be off if you don't have the strength to master the holding weight - i will emphasize "MASTER", as i've witnessed too many archers who need to drastically rethink their bow's holding weight and stop the silly short drawing.
Rob, in reference to the last page, to me a really nicely balanced r/d bow like my Robertsons and a couple of others that I have shot seem to be just as forgiving as a lot of Hill style bows and more forgiving than a number of the Hill style bows that I have shot. It may be easier to get a string follow Hill style to shoot with forgiveness and stability, but I think getting a tiller job to produce perfect limb timing and having the bow setup as perfectly as possible for the shooter makes enough of a difference that it is possible to get better results with the mild r/d bows, plus getting the inherent advantages of the r/d bow. As an example, I had a Hill style bow that even for me, I had to greatly exaggerate the heeling of the grip to get the bow to shoot cleanly, changing the nocking point did not matter. To me, that was not a forgiving string follow bow. With the r/d bows that I have, I quite often consider just which bowhand position would be best with them, the problem is most bowhand positions seem to work just fine with them and only require a slight tweaking of the knock height to get good results. I have not noticed a difference in release sensitivity with my bows and to be dead honest my old Stotler seemed have more release error forgiveness of any bow that I have ever shot. I am a Hill style bow fanatic, but it is hard to remain prejudiced against all other shaped bows when honestly considering the results I get with the r/d bows that I have.
as to how one's bow hand addresses the bow handle, that's a very Very personal thing and i will say for the umpteenth time that there are no rules in this matter at all. i don't give a rat's pitoot how howard shot or you you shoot or how anyone else shoots. some of the posts about hill longbows get holier-than-thou about "the proper way to hold a hill longbow". total rubbish. it doesn't take too much sincere dedication to the trad bow to figure out what does and what does not work. each of us needs to find that out for ourselves.
NOW, not being overbowed is clearly a major priority should probably Rule Number One in all of trad archery/bowhunting. it's both amusing and sad to see a bowhunter do some pre-hunt practice with a 67# longbow, and short draw to 26.5" with his 30" arrow. that's just wrong on too many levels, and hopefully he'll get the message after we chat about shooting and bows ...
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 30, 2012, 04:35:00 PM
Post by: on November 30, 2012, 08:43:00 PM
Nice buck Scot. I let one about that size walk by this year, but the one that was behind him was a real live Iowa monster. The old bird in the hand thing really made sense for awhile after the big one turned around and trotted back the way he came. I am pretty sure my 51@26" Robertson would have done the trick for either one. Next time I am shooting the close one no matter what.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 30, 2012, 10:13:00 PM
Rob,
I am VERY interested in what bows are being made now that are being built to the continuous curve that you know of. Thank you
Post by: Red Beastmaster on November 30, 2012, 10:37:00 PM
Your Abbott is the exact thing I've been dreaming of ordering someday! I had a 66", coco/yew, but in a 53#. I traded it for an Abbott 62" coco/curly maple 40# @ 27". Nice bow but I miss the old one.
I had a 60# coco/osage 68" at one time. Very nice bow as well. One thing you can count on with Abbott's is that they all shoot as nice as they look.
Post by: Knawbone on November 30, 2012, 11:20:00 PM
Post by: Razorbak on December 01, 2012, 12:40:00 AM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 01, 2012, 07:12:00 AM
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Originally posted by LAMADMAN:greg, thinking on this a LOT more, one significant bow DOES come to mind - the 21st century "edge"!
... Are thier any agressive hybrids that can brace to a D or is it just not possible?
i've had three built for me by jim ploen. this longbow has *significant* aggressive limb snake and it braces to an arguable "D" shape. i say "arguable" because it was used primarily at ifaa target events that only allowed "D" shaped longbows and the edge did have a very very tiny flat spot near the limb tips that was hard to detect.
long story short, in the hands of larry yien it won at least a few world ifaa champs, flat spot or not. comparing the edge to any hill style long bow was like comparing a pair of volkswagon beetles, only one had a porsche engine. :D
however, imo, the down side to the edge, and similar subsequent bows like the acs (not sure about the newer acs bows, though), is the limb "wobble and collapse" - when braced, you could grab a limb by the limb tip area and string, and get that limb to collapse almost flat. this only hurt the way the bow looked, not shot.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 01, 2012, 07:23:00 AM
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Originally posted by Brianlocal3:brian, some that come to mind are already mentioned in this thread .... the mohawk (all of vince's bows are mild r/d classic "D" longbows), abbott, robertson, tolke, great northern, kohanna, hornes ---- and others!
Quotethere aren't a lot of mild r/d "D" longbows to be found, but there are at least 3 or 4 bowyers i know of that do offer them.Rob,
I am VERY interested in what bows are being made now that are being built to the continuous curve that you know of. Thank you [/b]
Post by: paradocs on December 01, 2012, 12:32:00 PM
Great Northern Lil Creep, 58"...little more aggressive than the Bushbow, but still a "D" in my book.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 01, 2012, 12:40:00 PM
And Rob, I kinda new about the others from the thread, but when I was looking at the Abbots it looked like the limbs were straighter/flatter at the tips, definitely still falls within the governing bodies ideas that the distance to the string decreases the whole way to the tips, but not a curved shape.
the yellowstone I had was a perfect "d" look but it was only 62" and almost all of these will D up that short, I like looking at the 66-68 mild D/R to see how they look.
Post by: Bob B. on December 01, 2012, 12:45:00 PM
Bob.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 01, 2012, 01:40:00 PM
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Originally posted by Brianlocal3:sometimes the tip flat spot is clearly evident, sometimes it can only be determined with a short steel ruler laid against the tip back. and sometimes images are misleading, too.
... And Rob, I kinda new about the others from the thread, but when I was looking at the Abbots it looked like the limbs were straighter/flatter at the tips, definitely still falls within the governing bodies ideas that the distance to the string decreases the whole way to the tips, but not a curved shape.
the yellowstone I had was a perfect "d" look but it was only 62" and almost all of these will D up that short, I like looking at the 66-68 mild D/R to see how they look.
"the edge" is one of those aggressive hybrids that braces to a "D" shape that may or may not have those tip flat spots ... increasing the brace height can help, and is a ploy sometimes used. :D
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 01, 2012, 01:51:00 PM
Funny you mention the ploy used. I have noticed a lot of pics of "Braces D" bows are of the shorter ones, but when you get into the 66-68 in lengths that reflex really starts to show. Thanks.
Bob, I reallly want to shoot an abbott someday for sure.
Post by: paradocs on December 01, 2012, 02:24:00 PM
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 05, 2012, 12:07:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:there is not a thing "bad" about trad longbow that has some amount of flat spot near or at the limb tips. that's perfectly fine!
I do not understand what is so bad about a flat spot or even if there is a bit of gain at the tips. I noticed that the longer Robertson a friend was shooting some years back did just that, but it did not seem to ruin its shooting qualities at all.
however, with such a longbow, that's not a classic mild r/d "D" longbow. it's an aesthetics thing, that's all. no big deal. it's all good. promise. ;)
Post by: on December 05, 2012, 12:25:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 05, 2012, 01:19:00 PM
You ask the most interesting questions, and really delve deep into a subject, I love that. Thank you for that.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 05, 2012, 01:51:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:imho, typically, longer bows offer more shot stability. but one should pick a bow length that works best for the hunt.
Then the next question, for a 5'9" (and shrinking) short draw shooter like myself with my little 26" left hand draw length, how much performance difference is there between the 62" bows that I have compared to a 68" R/D? What would happen to the shooting qualities of an R/D bow that was under-stressed at full draw because of its longer length? The Driad boys seem to think longer will always out shoot shorter. That does not seem to be the case with Hill style bows, although I have seen some exceptions to the rules with those, such as, an under drawn bow can have more hand shock.
Post by: kbetts on December 05, 2012, 03:15:00 PM
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I've shot carbon and wood and now I'm on to aluminum. She'll shoot just about anything.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 05, 2012, 04:50:00 PM
Post by: kbetts on December 05, 2012, 04:59:00 PM
BTW, it's bacote and wenge, bamboo core, clear glass. Walnut tip wedges.
Post by: arrow flynn on December 05, 2012, 09:43:00 PM
Post by: Soonerlongbow on December 06, 2012, 01:35:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 07, 2012, 05:57:00 AM
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Originally posted by JamesKerr:not at all a mild r/d classic "D" braced longbow - look at the flip to the tips.
... my 3 piece Tomahawk legacy series
(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o780/jakerr1/019640x480.jpg)
Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 07, 2012, 06:06:00 AM
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Originally posted by Soonerlongbow:now you'd think that with a long 68" length that bow *should* be an r/d "D", but nope, it ain't ... see the tip flip?
No pix on computer but I absolutely love my PSE Legacy, 68", 55lbs @ 28."
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/archery/legacy.jpg)
Post by: Soonerlongbow on December 07, 2012, 12:33:00 PM
A little more arrow that should probably shoot but I like the way it thumps inside 20yds.
Post by: Soonerlongbow on December 07, 2012, 12:58:00 PM
Post by: JamesKerr on December 07, 2012, 06:57:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:You know I never noticed that before but it's clear as day in the picture
QuoteOriginally posted by JamesKerr:not at all a mild r/d classic "D" braced longbow - look at the flip to the tips. [/b]
... my 3 piece Tomahawk legacy series
(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o780/jakerr1/019640x480.jpg)
Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 07, 2012, 07:04:00 PM
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Originally posted by JamesKerr:those tommies are Great bows! i got to shoot a few and was mighty impressed!
QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:You know I never noticed that before but it's clear as day in the picture [/b]
QuoteOriginally posted by JamesKerr:not at all a mild r/d classic "D" braced longbow - look at the flip to the tips. [/b]
... my 3 piece Tomahawk legacy series
(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o780/jakerr1/019640x480.jpg)
Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 08, 2012, 07:01:00 AM
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Originally posted by jeremy1517:PLEASE, let me ask you, sir - did you read the original post in this thread, and you actually looked at the pics of what IS and what IS NOT a mild r/d classic "D" braced longbow?
My Kestrel R/D longbow from Mike at Wild Horse Creek Bows. It is 51# @ 28". It is 60# long with Cocobolo Riser, Tamo Ash Limbs with a Hard Maple Core.
Re-sized Pic
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if so, do you really think your longbow qualifies as a "D" shape?
and if not, well, please go back to the first post and review.
thank you.
Post by: sticshooter on December 08, 2012, 07:21:00 AM
D shape longbow.But had to have a more radical R/D. Now I am back to D shape and happy. Just wish some of mine were a bit less weight LOL.<><
Kota
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Unknown
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Also have a Robertson Purist that I love. Would love another Robertson is mid 40's but never seen one that light.<><
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 08, 2012, 10:43:00 AM
Post by: Josh Perdue on December 08, 2012, 03:48:00 PM
Assuming shooting same poundage, arrow weight, silencers, split finger, etc... Meaning all variables the same or is this difficult to answer? Please excuse me if this was a stupid question.
Post by: JamesKerr on December 08, 2012, 06:56:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:I sure do like mine! Their grips fit perfect in my hand.
QuoteOriginally posted by JamesKerr:those tommies are Great bows! i got to shoot a few and was mighty impressed!
QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:You know I never noticed that before but it's clear as day in the picture [/b]
quote:not at all a mild r/d classic "D" braced longbow - look at the flip to the tips. [/b]
Originally posted by JamesKerr:
... my 3 piece Tomahawk legacy series
(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o780/jakerr1/019640x480.jpg)
Post by: Moots on December 11, 2012, 10:29:00 PM
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Post by: KYArcher on December 12, 2012, 03:37:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 12, 2012, 03:42:00 PM
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Originally posted by KYArcher:if dannybows and you won't mind me answering yer question ...
DannyBows...What is the major difference in the Sparrowhawk compared to Vinces standard Mohawk?....KYArcher
i asked vince to build a narrower width limb mohawk that was also deeper (thicker). this lead to a few prototypes for me to test out and thus the "sparrowhawk" was born (yeah, blame me for the name, too). it's just closer to a hill style longbow limb cross section than most mild r/d "D" braced longbows. most find this design promotes enhanced shot stability while still retaining the good r/d longbow speed of limbs and arrows.
Post by: KYArcher on December 12, 2012, 04:11:00 PM
Post by: Mississippi bow hunter on December 13, 2012, 10:37:00 PM
Post by: on December 14, 2012, 03:25:00 AM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 14, 2012, 06:10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Mississippi bow hunter:for the most part they're both mild r/d longbows that brace to a "D" limb shape. the rest is in personal experience, and remember that no two bows of any parentage are gonna be exactly alike. you won't go wrong with either if the mild r/d is yer cup of tea.
This is not really a vs question. But I would like to know the difference between an Abbott and Mohawk. I have been interested in the two bows for some time now. I have looked at both web sights and there is only so much you can tell from the pictures. I was hoping I could get to comments from some of you that has one of each or has shot both. Thanks.
Post by: Bladepeek on December 14, 2012, 01:42:00 PM
I can only compare apples and oranges here. The Abbott had a straighter grip and a string like a rope. I sold the Abbott because of excessive handshock. The Trad Ganger who bought it loves it and says he gets no hand shock. I would like to pad that Abbott lower grip out just a tad and put a skinny string on it and compare it to my Sparrowhawk just for grins. They might be verry close then. Pics of the grips:
Abbott
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Temporary%20Storage/Abbottgripleftside.jpg)
Sparrowhawk
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Mohawk%20Sparrowhawk/005.jpg)
Post by: Ralphie on December 27, 2012, 06:03:00 PM
"Hill-style", bow, made from a reflex/deflex/reflex (or "duo-flex") form.
It is quick and soft shooting.
I love the workmanship!
Not really sure if it "qualifies" as a "D" shape R/D but it sure is fun to shoot.
It is a Yew-wood core with a Tulip-wood riser, nocks are Black palm-wood.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 27, 2012, 07:21:00 PM
Post by: Moots on December 27, 2012, 09:59:00 PM
Post by: Ralphie on December 28, 2012, 08:53:00 AM
will repost once I figure out what went wrong with my file size
Post by: Ralphie on December 28, 2012, 10:34:00 AM
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/Fred%20Anderson%20Rover%20Yew%20wood/FredAndersonROVER6847287FredAndersonROVER68472807FredAndersonROVER68472807FredAndersonROVER68_47287L1000165.jpg)
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sorry about the sideways view still working on how to post.
Post by: Ralphie on December 28, 2012, 10:35:00 AM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 28, 2012, 10:43:00 AM
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on December 28, 2012, 11:52:00 AM
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Originally posted by pavan:This is a really good question bro.... i'd like to shed a bit of light on the subject if you don't mind....
Then the next question, for a 5'9" (and shrinking) short draw shooter like myself with my little 26" left hand draw length, how much performance difference is there between the 62" bows that I have compared to a 68" R/D? What would happen to the shooting qualities of an R/D bow that was under-stressed at full draw because of its longer length? The Driad boys seem to think longer will always out shoot shorter. That does not seem to be the case with Hill style bows, although I have seen some exceptions to the rules with those, such as, an under drawn bow can have more hand shock.
I'm uncertain where you got your info from Dryad about longer bows always out shooting shorter bows. But i think you may have misinterpreted that info.... First of all there are advantages and disadvantages to longer and shorter length bows..... your example of a 62" vs a 68" bow is a good comparison..... But.... the draw weight and draw length of the bow is a huge factor in determining hand shock and smoothness between the two.
With a 68" long bow with a narrow profile and a deep core thickness. These bows have excellent potential for high performance and low hand shock if you can get enough tension on the string at brace height to stop the limbs clean. this is where the reflex in the limb before stringing the bow comes into play for lowqer poundage bows especially.
You can take a Hill style straight limb bow that strings up in a perfect "D" shape at 70 pounds At 28" and have a real nice stable limb that shoots excellent at a about 63@26" draw...... But once you drop the draw weight down to 50@28" you loose your pre load tension at brace and the string isn't tight enough to stop the mass weight of the limbs clean....
Rob gave a good example of the Sparrow Hawk bow advantage of narrowing up the limb and removing a huge amount of limb mass that needs to be stopped in order to transfer the energy to the shaft....
There are many other ways to make a longer bow or a shorter bow draw smooth with good limb stability, by manipulating the working portion of the limb. If you go too far towards the tips, you get a "Whip tip" bow going on that doesn't store enough energy throughout the whole limb.... if you go the other direction and the limb is bending hard at the fades, you are storing more energy, but you have too much mass weight of the outer limb moving forward and it requires a lot of draw weight & preload at brace to stop the limbs clean....
the perfect combo on "D" shape bow is having the energy stored evenly in the full length of the limb with the limbs mass weight balanced properly to the draw weight..... this is the part that often gets over looked. as we drop our draw weight down the over all width and depth thickness needs to be reduced proportionately to the draw weight to maintain equal performance.
The problem is... if you have a good design that has a 1.25" to 1/2" width profile at 60 lbs... you can not reduce the profile by a third going down to 40 pounds without loosing your stability.
So you end up with too much mass weight in the outer limb that can't be stopped clean.
The answer to this problem is going with a shorter bow that stores more energy with less mass weight in the limbs, or... using more reflex in the limb using less material to increase the preload.
Hopefully i didn't get too long winded on this for you guys... It's a favorite subject of mine.
Kirk
Post by: Moots on December 28, 2012, 11:57:00 AM
Thanks!
Post by: on December 29, 2012, 11:48:00 AM
Post by: Ralphie on December 29, 2012, 01:59:00 PM
45#@28, 68"
(and ..........when I asked Fred about fast flight strings, he said not to put them on his bows.)
Limbs; Cherry-wood back, pre-stressed yew belly, maple-wood center, bias carbon core, pink ivory-wood overlays, Riser: figured hard maple,(sugar maple) (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/Fred%20Anderson%20Rover%2045%20at%2028/L1000183.jpg) (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/Fred%20Anderson%20Rover%2045%20at%2028/L1000184.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/Fred%20Anderson%20Rover%2045%20at%2028/L1000185.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/Fred%20Anderson%20Rover%2045%20at%2028/L1000187.jpg) (http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/Fred%20Anderson%20Rover%2045%20at%2028/L1000188.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/Fred%20Anderson%20Rover%2045%20at%2028/L1000192.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/Fred%20Anderson%20Rover%2045%20at%2028/L1000194.jpg)
Love this bow!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 29, 2012, 07:42:00 PM
Post by: dnovo on December 29, 2012, 10:14:00 PM
Post by: Ralphie on December 29, 2012, 10:35:00 PM
Here are pictures of your Timberline.
It's really a looker !
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/IMG_0684.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/IMG_0686.jpg)
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Post by: Ralphie on December 29, 2012, 10:40:00 PM
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/IMG_0682.jpg)
Post by: Josh Perdue on January 23, 2013, 10:28:00 AM
Post by: bornagainbowhunter on January 23, 2013, 10:42:00 AM
I have only had it for a short while, but its becoming my favorite very quickly.
God Bless,
Nathan
Post by: on January 23, 2013, 11:10:00 AM
Post by: Steelhead on January 24, 2013, 02:37:00 AM
My 1st custom bow many moons ago was a mild R&D that was beautiful and shot great made by Frederick Longbows.Called a Regeant
I have owned many since then and really like this style of bow.
I saw a few lucky members above were fortunate enough to get some Fred Anderson longbows.One is for sale in the classifieds.If your a true longbow afficianado and want a collector piece and of heirloom quality take a look at it.You wont see many and its a 2012 bow.Fred is 75 years old and contributed alot to traditional archery for half a Century or more.
I bought 2 as well.Fred had a few for sale which is rare.Thier mild bows with graceful lines and they exhibit the perfectionism of a man who has built bows for 50 years.
Ones a Skookem Special that I liked and admired so much that I bought one of the remaining bows he had thats called a Rover.Its a wonderful shooter and elegant looking.The Skookum special is over the top and a real jawdropper.
I will try and post some pice someday.
Post by: Shinken on January 24, 2013, 09:01:00 AM
It was the mild R/D longbow that gave me longbow fever back in the mid '80s and I made the transition from shooting recurves to longbows. I clearly remember my first longbow - on a college students budget - it was a RAGHORN by Byron Schurg. Nothing fancy, brown glass over maple with a leather wrapped myrtle handle, but it drew smooth and shot good. I spent time on the range (5 Valleys Archery Club) shooting with Byron and Monty Moravec - trying out the different longbows that people were shooting - Robertson Stykbows and Howard Hills were common.
Over the years I have owned a number of R/D longbows with my favorites being built by Byron Schurg (Aspen Elites) and Dick Robertson (Purists), but other archers are now enjoying those longbows.
I have one Mohawk in my present herd - built by Vince - that I have really enjoyed as I went through some shoulder rehab and one day I hope to try a Mohawk Sparrowhawk.
The mild R/D longbow will live on - they are just great bows to shoot!
Keep the wind in your face!
Shoot straight, Shinken
:archer2:
Post by: TJK68 on January 24, 2013, 02:43:00 PM
Tom
Post by: Hermon on January 30, 2013, 08:52:00 PM
62" 53# 28"
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc452/ghermon/101_2506.jpg)
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Post by: Josh Perdue on February 01, 2013, 10:03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Hermon:Thats a looker
Here is my latest bow, Wild Horse Creek "Quest"
62" 53# 28"
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc452/ghermon/101_2506.jpg)
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc452/ghermon/101_2505.jpg)
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc452/ghermon/101_2503.jpg)
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Post by: Ralphie on February 03, 2013, 10:35:00 AM
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Originally posted by Steelhead:Eric,
"I bought 2 as well.Fred had a few for sale which is rare.Thier mild bows with graceful lines and they exhibit the perfectionism of a man who has built bows for 50 years.
Ones a Skookem Special that I liked and admired so much that I bought one of the remaining bows he had thats called a Rover.Its a wonderful shooter and elegant looking.The Skookum special is over the top and a real jawdropper.
I will try and post some pice someday.
Which Rover did you buy ?
ralph
Post by: Steelhead on February 03, 2013, 11:35:00 AM
Yew riser,3 lams of Yew,walnut lam in core,lemonwood backed,clear glass back and belly,47#s.
Post by: Bladepeek on February 03, 2013, 11:47:00 AM
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Border%20Griffon/DSC_0013.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Border%20Griffon/DSC_0017.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Border%20Griffon/DSC_0011.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Border%20Griffon/DSC_0010.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Border%20Griffon/DSC_0019.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/bladepeek/Archery/Border%20Griffon/2012-10-28_15-26-25_351.jpg)
Post by: Sixby on February 03, 2013, 02:53:00 PM
All that said there are some really wonderful bows and this thread is an exhibition of some of the finest.
God bless you all, Steve
Post by: Hermon on February 03, 2013, 05:12:00 PM
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Originally posted by jshperdue:And she shoots. Weather was good this weekend so I got out to see what arrows she would like. Here is a group using 2 different spines and point weights from 20 yards.
QuoteOriginally posted by Hermon:Thats a looker [/b]
Here is my latest bow, Wild Horse Creek "Quest"
62" 53# 28"
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc452/ghermon/101_2506.jpg)
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc452/ghermon/101_2505.jpg)
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc452/ghermon/101_2503.jpg)
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc452/ghermon/101_2502.jpg)
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc452/ghermon/IMG_20130203_131319.jpg)
Think she is a keeper!
Post by: Ralphie on February 03, 2013, 05:16:00 PM
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Originally posted by Steelhead:Hey Eric,
Hello Ralph
Yew riser,3 lams of Yew,walnut lam in core,lemonwood backed,clear glass back and belly,47#s.
Ok,
that was the second bow on the list. I bought the first Rover and the last Rover, on Fred's list.
also
I spoke with Fred today, and in case you did not know, he says 6 1/2" from string, to the belly end of the shelf is a good brace height for the Rover ...... and ...
you probably know ...No FF strings !!!
Good luck with the bow(s), pictures one day?
Anderson is equal to the best.
Ralph
Post by: Steelhead on February 03, 2013, 05:44:00 PM
I was seriously looking at the 45# one.But you had allready boguht it.
I am more than happy with the one I got though!
Yaa 6.5 or even 6.25 will work well
Yaa B-50.I did put a 2 bundle 12 strand B-55 on mine though and small wool puffs.
I like the 12 strand personally over the 16 st. the bow came with
Try one sometime.
great shooting bows!
That Griffin looks very nice Bladepeak on P.27
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 03, 2013, 07:22:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/Wallace%20mountain/file_zpsd49db46e.jpg)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/Wallace%20mountain/file_zpsb0d62e9b.jpg)
the narrowest, wedge grip I have ever held or shot
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/Wallace%20mountain/file_zpsa22e64c1.jpg)
Nice J shelve
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/Wallace%20mountain/file_zps697b2714.jpg)
talk about a good finish
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/Wallace%20mountain/file_zpsd15b6506.jpg)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 03, 2013, 07:23:00 PM
Post by: Bob B. on February 03, 2013, 08:51:00 PM
Bob.
Post by: Ralphie on March 10, 2013, 11:20:00 AM
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Originally posted by Ralphie:
[QB] When you do Dan, see if you can get a view, unstrung, of the Skookum. I would like to see the difference in the profile. The Rover is reflex/deflex/reflex or "duo-flex", as Anderson calls it. I wonder the difference in the Skookum.
Here are pictures of your Timberline.
It's really a looker !
** Sorry, I moved the photos in photo bucket, which broke the link, so that they are no longer seen here.
My mistake !
Post by: Wannabe1 on April 28, 2013, 05:32:00 PM
Post by: ermont on May 07, 2013, 04:25:00 PM
Post by: longbow fanatic 1 on May 09, 2013, 07:37:00 PM
To my eye, this is not a slight r/d longbow. What are your thoughts? This bow is a Dwyer Defiant 62" 49@28
(http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv76/longbowfanatic1234/DSCN0428_zps9cf1faaa.jpg) (http://s671.photobucket.com/user/longbowfanatic1234/media/DSCN0428_zps9cf1faaa.jpg.html)
(http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv76/longbowfanatic1234/DSCN0430_zps705e35e0.jpg) (http://s671.photobucket.com/user/longbowfanatic1234/media/DSCN0430_zps705e35e0.jpg.html)
Post by: ermont on May 09, 2013, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: LimbLover on May 10, 2013, 08:34:00 AM
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p65/FadedGlory77/StumingWithDad/733964_10101122267244465_1558038584_n_zpsd4bf939e.jpg) (http://s125.photobucket.com/user/FadedGlory77/media/StumingWithDad/733964_10101122267244465_1558038584_n_zpsd4bf939e.jpg.html)
Not a "mild" R/D by any means but limbs do not touch and look more like a D than most forward handled on the tips. Just a curiosity of mine. ;)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 10, 2013, 09:59:00 AM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/B380C848-D10F-4E20-BF5A-1992764CF2A1-16490-000022F73DFC8B5F_zpsca082a9c.jpg)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 10, 2013, 10:03:00 AM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/98AB5D11-205B-4088-9CA5-BAFA4E45155C-23079-000035BA4C7E33D1_zps36fe29b1.jpg)
Great bows
Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 10, 2013, 10:06:00 AM
(http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv76/longbowfanatic1234/DSCN0430_zps705e35e0.jpg)
Post by: LimbLover on May 10, 2013, 10:23:00 AM
Post by: jsweka on May 10, 2013, 08:16:00 PM
(http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/BowSwap2013/SAM_0802.jpg)
(http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/BowSwap2013/SAM_0797.jpg)
(http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/BowSwap2013/SAM_0796.jpg)
Post by: ron w on May 10, 2013, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 10, 2013, 09:11:00 PM
Post by: ron w on May 10, 2013, 09:16:00 PM
Post by: longbow fanatic 1 on May 11, 2013, 07:20:00 AM
Post by: twistedlim on May 11, 2013, 08:01:00 AM
(http://www.pbase.com/twistedlim/image/149979901.jpg)
(http://www.pbase.com/twistedlim/image/149979894.jpg)
(http://www.pbase.com/twistedlim/image/149979895.jpg)
(http://www.pbase.com/twistedlim/image/149992226.jpg)
Post by: ermont on May 13, 2013, 07:49:00 AM
Post by: ermont on May 13, 2013, 07:51:00 AM
Post by: Frenchymanny on September 25, 2013, 03:05:00 PM
Post by: Sant-Ravenhill on April 01, 2014, 08:38:00 PM
Post by: Frank V on April 01, 2014, 09:33:00 PM
I have bows from two different makers that I think will qualify.
I have bows from Ron Fox & Ron King aka Fox Archery.
Both these bows are fantastic shooters. :saywhat: His bows are very good.
Post by: mike g on April 02, 2014, 10:39:00 AM
I was deadly with that Bow, won a lot of 3D with it....
I wonder if he still makes Bows....?
Post by: skunkhound on April 02, 2014, 12:37:00 PM
Post by: Paul_R on April 08, 2014, 12:00:00 AM
Stalker Renegade submitted for approval:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140316_102152.jpg)
Post by: katman on April 13, 2014, 07:39:00 AM
Post by: Tradcat on April 13, 2014, 08:46:00 AM
Post by: JB74nola on April 13, 2014, 12:39:00 PM
(http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k346/weazzal720/2003AC1F-AEF2-4C9D-A1A1-D5F68550D7F8_zps5e4dbpxg.jpg) (http://s324.photobucket.com/user/weazzal720/media/2003AC1F-AEF2-4C9D-A1A1-D5F68550D7F8_zps5e4dbpxg.jpg.html)
(http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k346/weazzal720/15C73BEE-0771-4E02-BC61-5A5E08BDB4CC_zpsw55gawk2.jpg) (http://s324.photobucket.com/user/weazzal720/media/15C73BEE-0771-4E02-BC61-5A5E08BDB4CC_zpsw55gawk2.jpg.html)
Post by: LB_hntr on April 13, 2014, 02:07:00 PM
Love my 2 Robertsons for all my hunting and have 2 early Reynolds thunder stick I's that are also mild r/d I use for bow fishing.
Post by: kawika b on April 13, 2014, 03:05:00 PM
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Originally posted by katman:Just as I was planing on selling a kidney to fund a Flatliner. Can't start that thread started fast enough for me.
Just giving a heads up, Kirk at Bigfoot bows is about to start #001 in the Stealth bow in about a week or so. This is something that has been in the works a while and will look much like a classic hill strung but give better performance. Plan on a build along on a separate thread showing the details of what goes into this design to make it so.Thanks and keep an eye out for the build along.
Post by: Paul_R on April 13, 2014, 05:51:00 PM
Acadian Woods Cajun Hunter
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140413_134352.jpg) (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140413_142918.jpg)
Thunderbird by Dave Johnson
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140413_134926.jpg) (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140413_134708.jpg)
Post by: SKITCH on April 13, 2014, 06:21:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/SdZ8C7G.jpg)
Post by: Paul_R on April 13, 2014, 09:10:00 PM
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Originally posted by SKITCH:That's beautiful bow and a great picture! :thumbsup:
How bout a Northern Mist Baraga!! Great bow that is now owned by someone else..... Sadly!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 14, 2014, 06:21:00 AM
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Originally posted by Paul_R:riser design doesn't matter, it's all about the braced limbs shape! :D
Definately a mild R/D bow with a distinctive D shape but the riser may get me disqualified, we'll see.
Stalker Renegade submitted for approval:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140316_102152.jpg)
Post by: Jim Picarelli on April 14, 2014, 01:19:00 PM
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Post by: katman on April 25, 2014, 09:12:00 PM
Post by: benmmc on June 27, 2014, 02:57:00 PM
Photos below, and here is a video (http://youtu.be/qfwspxJdhPs) of me shooting it!
(http://benmmc.com/i/mohawk1.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/p95XoxU.jpg)
(http://benmmc.com/i/mohawk2.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/YO5jdWb.jpg)
Post by: nineworlds9 on June 27, 2014, 03:09:00 PM
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/6DA0F062-BDE5-4AB0-AC1D-994E5896742D.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/6DA0F062-BDE5-4AB0-AC1D-994E5896742D.jpg.html)
Post by: Sant-Ravenhill on August 09, 2016, 06:27:00 PM
Post by: mec lineman on February 04, 2019, 02:54:50 PM
Post by: MnFn on February 04, 2019, 09:13:14 PM
I am thinking about using it for moose if drawn this year. I have a couple of bows in that weight, currently it is one of my two heaviest bows.
Post by: GCook on February 04, 2019, 10:49:37 PM
Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk
Post by: 1/4 away on February 05, 2019, 12:34:16 PM
Post by: mec lineman on February 05, 2019, 12:39:23 PM
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Post by: TradBrewSC on February 07, 2019, 07:39:01 AM
https://i.imgur.com/vHAnptZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yTxXA10.jpg
Here it is next to my 62” Tall Tines with Tundra limbs
https://imgur.com/a/WK6lSaq
Post by: Sam McMichael on February 07, 2019, 11:33:21 AM
Post by: chase perry on February 11, 2019, 10:30:02 AM
Good to see that bow! It is a pretty one, without question. Love to hear it may join you on a moose hunt. To hunt moose one day is a goal of mine.
Take care, Chase
Post by: Overspined on February 11, 2019, 05:14:32 PM
My interpretation of the R/D “D” bow..
Post by: mec lineman on February 11, 2019, 05:53:06 PM
Post by: nineworlds9 on February 11, 2019, 09:20:49 PM
Post by: Wudstix on February 14, 2019, 02:49:46 AM
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Post by: Wudstix on February 14, 2019, 02:50:50 AM
Has Mark Viehweg's name on it. 62" 72#@28
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 27, 2023, 10:49:18 PM
Bringing it up for new people to see.
Still in love with the JD Berry Taipan
Post by: Michael Guran on November 28, 2023, 08:05:36 AM
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Post by: Wudstix on November 28, 2023, 03:09:46 PM
:campfire: :coffee: :archer2: :campfire:
Post by: trad_bowhunter1965 on December 01, 2023, 09:56:41 AM
Post by: Kirkll on December 01, 2023, 02:48:14 PM
On the other hand, i've built many of these for competitors that need that perfect D shape using the same form and same shape by using use a carbon tip overlay that holds the shape, yet still works as a static tip...Its laid up with the tip wedge, then shaped back to the D shape "post lay up" keeping the tips static. There is a serious difference in performance having those tips static vs a whippy tip.
Here are a couple of these 3 pc long bows built recently.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/xYs1QFHSwS6XwoBz7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/6chkz7wRRkjjq8zo9
This is a one piece with the tip wedge, and has a very slight reflex to the tips.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/YKDN29wyr6SC4S2j7
A few more one piece photos here
Btw.... I still have some of this Black and White ebony in stock, dry and ready to use if someone is interested.... Kirk
Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 01, 2023, 05:14:15 PM
IF a braced longbow exhibits ANY amount of "flip to the tips" it ain't a "D" shape R/D longbow. This is mostly a very visual thing as most mild R/D longbows still show some amount of tip reflex when braced. If it matters, and yer not sure, use a small straight edge to check a braced bows tips on its back and belly.
Again, it's just an AESTHETIC thing.
Post by: frassettor on December 02, 2023, 05:14:15 PM
Post by: matt steed on December 02, 2023, 10:03:00 PM
66 inch. Mild R/D
Maple core, Etimo veneers. Bolivian Rosewood riser
Post by: Wudstix on December 03, 2023, 10:18:59 PM
:campfire: :coffee: :archer2: :campfire:
Post by: MnFn on December 04, 2023, 02:06:29 PM
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Post by: Wudstix on December 05, 2023, 10:50:36 AM
:campfire: :coffee: :archer2: :campfire:
Post by: meatCKR on December 21, 2024, 10:42:38 PM
Post by: Kirkll on December 23, 2024, 10:34:32 AM
Post by: Sant-Ravenhill on December 23, 2024, 09:57:09 PM
Post by: Steelhead on December 24, 2024, 12:57:52 AM
Th Mahantango Kestral in a really well made fine shooting mild R&D that is currantly being made.Narrow Deep core limb,trapezoid limb and strings up in nice classic D shape.
Post by: Kirkll on December 24, 2024, 10:33:13 AM
Having, or not having, braced longbow visual tip reflex is only an aesthetic thing, no more or less.
IF a braced longbow exhibits ANY amount of "flip to the tips" it ain't a "D" shape R/D longbow. This is mostly a very visual thing as most mild R/D longbows still show some amount of tip reflex when braced. If it matters, and yer not sure, use a small straight edge to check a braced bows tips on its back and belly.
Again, it's just an AESTHETIC thing.
My RD longbow form produces a finished product that can have a slight reflex to the tip if braced real low depending on the length of the tip wedge.
. Years ago I built a few of these for long bow competitors where the officials actually used a straight edge at the tips to check them for qualification like Rob just mentioned.
What I did was shorten up the tip wedge an inch or so putting it in the form, or eliminated it completely . Then prior to installing the tip overlays I used another thin carbon overlay on the belly side like you see on a recurve limb, only I put it in a vise and straightened that last 4” of the tip and holds it there. takes the tiny reflex at the tip out completely.
But…. It still has a static tip that forces the energy storage to a shorter section of the limb, and increases performance nicely. Kirk
Post by: meatCKR on December 24, 2024, 12:06:20 PM
Post by: shick on December 25, 2024, 07:45:19 AM
Shick
Post by: Brianlocal3 on April 02, 2025, 08:15:57 PM
This is like the best of both worlds, I really love the look of an ASL , but I just prefer shooting a mild RD