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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: JamesKerr on December 20, 2011, 09:19:00 PM
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I shoot a 55 @ 28 (54 at my 27.5" draw) Tomahawk diamond series bow with a 620 grain arrow tipped with a VPA 175 grain terminator. I am getting about 170 fps with this setup. Do you think it is enough for all game species on this continent?
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Heck ya! :thumbsup:
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Fred Eichler's super slam (all 29 species of North American big game) was killed with a 54lb recurve. If he can do it, so can you. Sharp, scary sharp broadhead and you are good to go.
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Without a doubt...You gonna go for a Slam?
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I doubt I ever go for a slam but it is my dream to hunt elk, moose, and grizzlies with my longbow.
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YES!
Bisch
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Yes if you shoot it well and keep it in your comfort zone!! A moss shot with a 80# bow in the ass won't do you any good!!!
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Yes you can. I shot clean through a cow elk with my 59-60 lb. longbow a week and a half ago. Make sure heads are sticky scary sharp. Go get them.
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Originally posted by rastaman:
Fred Eichler's super slam (all 29 species of North American big game) was killed with a 54lb recurve.
I'm not up on records, but did Fred kill an Alaskan Brown bear with the above setup?
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Go for it! :thumbsup:
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I believe Fred went up a few pounds on weight to 58# on the Brown Bear. I hunted bears with the same outfitter the year Fred did but at a different time.
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Night Wing...yes he did. Actually about 52lbs at his draw length according to Mr. Eichler. That hunt was filmed and shown on Easton Bowhunting TV.
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Never shot a large NA game animal like an Elk or Bull Moose so my opinion really means nothing but I would think so.
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I am just wondering about grizzlies and moose as they seem to be the heaviest boned North American big game. Would their ribs be much of a problem?
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Fred also draws 31" I believe.
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Dont risk long shots, you need your arrow to hit home. If you hit a rib, it absolutely could be a problem. For anyone shooting any weight for that matter, not just at your draw weight .Muscle, tendon, hair and bone are not constant variables, things happen differently every time. An arrow can pass through a relaxed muscle fairly easy one time, but a strong muscle flexed tight is completely different. Shoot as much as you can accurately shoot for bigger game. If that is 55#, go for it, just make sure of your shot. NO QUARTERING FORWARD shots!!!!!! broadside or quartering away only . As said above, accurate, SHARP broadheads for sure!
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A number of years ago, after I had puffed up my chest about shooting a recurve of almost 70 lbs, a wise old man showed me a picture of an elk that was the state record for New Mexico at that time, killed with a 45 lb. Shakespeare recurve and a Bear Razorhead.
Your set up sound great, although I am not familiar with the broadhead. If it is sharp and cut-on-contact you'll be good, rib or no.
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I'd want a little more for moose and probably grizzly. I have hunted (and killed) moose, but not grizzly.
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You guys are confusing me (not that its that hard to do...8^))
So what poundage did Fred use on his Alaskan Brown Bear and Alaskan
/Yukon Moose?
Thanx
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55# is fine for moose ... just have sharp broad heads and your good to go.
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From the DVD Traditional Harvest IV. Fred said He upped the poundage from 54 to 57 at his draw length for the Grizzly hunt. Mike Palmer made that bow for that Hunt.
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Fred Eichler draws around 30 inches or so, which gets a lot more energy out of the bow than 27.5 inches at the same weight. I believe Fred Bear hunted most of his stuff with a 60# bow. That being said, you're probably not going to start with moose or grizzlies. Should have enough time to work into a heavier bow if you want to.
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I have no experience with the animals the size of elk, moose or grizzlies. But do yall think with my setup I could punch through near side ribs and make a clean kill.
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Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Different every time. I hope I never hit a rib at any poundage. No one can tell you that your broadhead WILL break through a rib. It MIGHT, but not definitely. If you are nervous about it, work your way up as much as you can.
I have seen a 50# recurve blow through a bison and skip across the snow on the other side for 50 yards. No bone hit. I have also seen a 64# recurve penetrate only 1/2 way into a small black bear . No bone hit. I've seen 70# hit a deer in the shoulder and fail. I've seen all kinds of good shots end up differently than expected.
Your poundage has been proven by some, and has failed by others. Poundage twice yours has been proven and failed also.
For big game, shoot as much weight as you can accurately.
Again, if its 54#, then shoot straight with a sharp head!
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perfect. just wait patiently for the right shot angle on calm animals, hit the soft spot with a very sharp B/H and wait a while before your recovery efforts start.
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If I were to hunt moose or griz with my 55 lb recurve I would just up my arrow weight to 700 0r even better 800 gns, for deer I use 550 to 600gn arrows
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Your bow will kill (and probably pass through) any animal on this continent. If penetration becomes a question shoot a broadhead with one less blade.
Simple as that.
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That setup would definatly work IMO...make sure your arrow flight is good and the broadhead is sharp!
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what charlie said X 2
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I think you might encounter difficulties with bison but other than that you are good to go!
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We have all of the big four here in Alaska. Buffalo, Elk(Roosevelt), Brown bear, Moose. Would not hesitate shooting any of these animals with a 55# bow and very finely finished BH. I would stick with a classic 3to1 bh design and pick "the" spot.
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Keith