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Title: Trad bows not good enough?
Post by: Shan on February 06, 2012, 01:15:00 PM: I'm setting up a pig hunt this upcoming March in California. I got in contact with one of the local pro shop guys to try to get some info on the area and i told him i would be bringing my recurve.

he responded,
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"I would strongly suggest you NOT use a recurve; the energy is insufficient to provide a good pass-through shot with a big broadhead and lost animals are highly possible. I spoke to the man who set up and ran the archery program on Tejon Ranch for six years and he saw NO animals recovered shot with either a longbow or recurve. This open country with thick brush patches and private land adjacent makes recovering a hog difficult or impossible if they don't go down right away. I've lost animals with a fast compound."
what do you guys have to say??
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Post by: huntnmuleys on February 06, 2012, 01:18:00 PM: i would have to say that guy should not be running or working in a pro shop, he has no idea what hes talking about.
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Post by: Shan on February 06, 2012, 01:18:00 PM: And i think this gentleman is trying to give me sound advice. I have just seen so many cases to the contrary on this site.
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Post by: Jedimaster on February 06, 2012, 01:20:00 PM: Ignore him. Get your information elsewhere. Obviously he's not that well informed and you really don't want, or need, more useless information.

Oh, and take him a picture of your pig when you're done. But in the mean time, if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't be dealing with him. No telling what other kind of foolish advice he might give.
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Post by: wingnut on February 06, 2012, 01:21:00 PM: Heck do a search on Tejon Ranch. I remember quite a few stories here with hero pics.

Mike
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Post by: YORNOC on February 06, 2012, 01:21:00 PM: Find another guide?
Seriously, hogs sure are tough, but you know the facts. Look at the photos on this site. Everything from squirrels to elephants are taken with trad bows. Heck I killed two bison. 25 yard recovery on the first, 75 on the second. Sounds like some of those trad guys were lousy shots.

Of course the energy is sufficient if you are using a proper bow...no matter what kind. You wouldnt get good penetration out of a 30# compound either.
Foolish statement by that guy.
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Post by: SS Snuffer on February 06, 2012, 01:22:00 PM: I guess I've done the impossible!
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Post by: Smithhammer on February 06, 2012, 01:26:00 PM: He sounds clueless. Find another guide.

And then when you've dropped your hog, send this guy a pic.
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Post by: Austin on February 06, 2012, 01:27:00 PM: I don't think I'd want that fella for a guide! It seems it would be better to have someone who has a better appreciation /understanding of the gear you'll be using.
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Post by: Bjorn on February 06, 2012, 01:28:00 PM: Seriously-what do you expect from a 'pro shop' anyway?
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Post by: Terry Green on February 06, 2012, 01:32:00 PM: Why don't you print out the latest 'big hog' thread with all the pics n proof....and sent if to him?
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Post by: BRITTMAN on February 06, 2012, 01:32:00 PM: This is what I have to say to the guy :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :laughing: , yeah pull up the threads where Pat B was killing Big Hogs with his 45 lbs Mohawk and send them to the guy .
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Post by: nd chickenman on February 06, 2012, 01:36:00 PM: I guess the recurve and longbow were so ineffective that they were used for THOUSANDS of years by hunters and warriors. Seems like some generations don't know the history of this GREAT way of life!!!
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Post by: OBXarcher on February 06, 2012, 01:37:00 PM: What's that comedian say "here's your sign"
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Post by: Bob B. on February 06, 2012, 01:38:00 PM: Ask Pat how many Hog-zillas he has killed with his SparrowHawk.

Last year myself and 3 friends went hog hunitng with trad gear. Everyone killed their hogs fast with double lung shots, one recurve and two longbows. My hog was 250 pounds and the arrow was hung up on the off side by the fletches from a 17 yard shot. My bow was a Twotracks longwalker 53 pounds with a 4 blade Zwickey.

Trad gear is just as effective as anything else. A good hit will kill the hog cleanly, a poor one likely will not.

Bob.
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Post by: JJB2 on February 06, 2012, 01:42:00 PM: You can't fix stupid.
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Post by: MRD on February 06, 2012, 01:54:00 PM: It's about them not being hit in the right place, not the power of the bow. If you don't hit the heart/lungs, they can go and go and go to the thickest brush around. The vitals on a hog are small, low, and forward. Easy to shoot too high or too far back. They won't bleed much, so it is very difficult to blood trail them. His "fast compound" or trad bows not having enough power isn't the problem. It's not hitting the pig in the right spot to kill it......
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Post by: dragonheart on February 06, 2012, 01:59:00 PM: Really? There are those few compound shooters that simply will say anything to discourage the use of real archery equipment.
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Post by: BobCo 1965 on February 06, 2012, 02:01:00 PM: Real impressive expertise on his behalf... :dunno:
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Post by: Roger Norris on February 06, 2012, 02:35:00 PM: My reaction is the same as when I read an ad for a hog hunt...and it said "Bowhunters with handgun backup ONLY!"

In my opinion Pro Shops are usually run by guys full of themselves and with darn little reason.
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Post by: Shan on February 06, 2012, 02:41:00 PM: Snuffer SS I guess I've done the impossible!

haha

BRITTMAN This is what I have to say to the guy , yeah pull up the threads where Pat B was killing Big Hogs with his 45 lbs Mohawk and send them to the guy . - LOL i think i will! I might just send him this thread

YUP! exactly my thoughts everyone. i was so shocked when i read what he said. usually people who dont shoot traditional equipment are just curious about it or kind of give you the "yeah have fun with that" look but this guy was really vocal against it.

I entirely believe that, as you have all said, it's about shot placement. i have a hard time swallowing the 6 year Tejon statistic.... REALLY??

I'll do my best to get a hog and "educate" him on the effectiveness of the stick and string. Once again, I'm not mad or anything close to it, just a little shocked.
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Post by: BWD on February 06, 2012, 02:42:00 PM: Can't say I've run across many pro shops that had what I'd call pros working in them. :dunno:
Sounds like the type of guy who would have no problem losing a few with a fast compound...
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Post by: Ken Taylor on February 06, 2012, 02:46:00 PM: This is a good example of: The less some people know about a subject, the more they think they know.

Poor guy.
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Post by: Plumber on February 06, 2012, 02:48:00 PM: ask ray hammond how many kills he has seen with trad equ.I would not even go with the guy.If he dose not want you shooting trad equ.then you may not get a fair shake from the guy.
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Post by: on February 06, 2012, 03:21:00 PM: I went on a elk hunt with a bunch of wheel bow friends, I had a guide tell me straight up that he did not think I could kill an elk with the bow I was using. Man, I sure wnated to get a shot on that hunt and prove him wrong. It did not happen but I KNOW I could have easily killed an elk with my bow. Some people are just ignorant.

On my first trip to Africa my PH did not know a thing about trad gear. After I killed my first warthog with my longbow I told him I had another bow I wanted to try to shoot one with. I pulled out my selfbow and went to practicing. He was watching and walked up to me and told me he did not think my bow would have enough umph to kill a warthog. I told him that was not right and that as long as I made a good shot I knew I could kill a warthog with my selfbow. That afternoon, right at dark, I made a great shot on a medium sized warthog. The pig only went about 80yds and was dead as a hammer.The PH never doubted the ability of my equipment after that hunt.

Bisch

Bisch
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Post by: pauljr on February 06, 2012, 03:27:00 PM: HOG WASH, pun intended!
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Post by: Jeff Strubberg on February 06, 2012, 03:37:00 PM: Complete and total ignorance. Might be a little self interest mixed in there, too.
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Post by: wtpops on February 06, 2012, 03:40:00 PM
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Post by: WildmanSC on February 06, 2012, 03:41:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Sequoia:
And i think this gentleman is trying to give me sound advice. I have just seen so many cases to the contrary on this site.
Why did you ask the original question. It appears as though you've already got your mind set based on your answer above. If you can't shoot your recurve accurately enough to get a clean kill shot, don't take it along. If the man giving the answer has seen animals lost with a fast compound, then maybe the answer to your question is don't take a bow at all. Or maybe you should just stay home.

Bill
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Post by: stujay on February 06, 2012, 03:52:00 PM: Pro shop guy, don't worry with his opionion, but if the ranch or guides give you the same line...now that would be a different story.
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Post by: Shan on February 06, 2012, 04:17:00 PM: wtpops, thanks for the picture, i'll send that to him since he specifically mentioned Tejon ranch. LOL i just couldnt believe what i was hearing.

WildmanSC - Why did you ask the original question. It appears as though you've already got your mind set based on your answer above. - not sure what you're getting at.
I have complete confidence in myself with my weapon of choice, my 60# Predator hunter. When i said that, "i think the guy is trying to give me sound advice," I truly believe that HE doesn't think trad equipment can do the job.

I am quite in the opposite camp and know from what I've seen on here that he is dead wrong. i posted on here not to validate my own opinion but rather to share with my trad buddies the shock i felt when reading this. its completely absurd!! hope that clears it up.

Anyways hope you guys got a chuckle out of this too. I'll try to show him the light
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Post by: monterey on February 06, 2012, 04:22:00 PM: The guy is a "pro" his job description is to sell wheel bows. That's his idea of how to do his job.
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Post by: PaddyMac on February 06, 2012, 04:28:00 PM: Sequoia, out of curiosity, how old was this fellow?
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Post by: Shan on February 06, 2012, 04:43:00 PM: I've only had email correspondence but i'd say 50's
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Post by: Shan on February 06, 2012, 04:49:00 PM: I replied in as respectful a manner as possible. I see reputable conduct as fitting for any traditional archer or any grown man for that matter.

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Mr.X,
I appreciate your concern and I do agree that traditional equipment delivers far less arrow velocity than really any compound on the market. However, I disagree that my recurve is any less efficient at killing than a compound or a bullet from a rifle for that matter. You see, I have always been taught that shot placement is the key, not arrow velocity.

It has been proven thousands of times over that a recurve or longbow is quite capable of killing even the largest of game. With a sharp broadhead and a good shot there is no game animal that will not go down.
I do also agree that it will be far more difficult to get in close enough for a kill, but for me that is the thrill.

I have complete confidence in my set up. I promise to myself to only take shots that I know I can make. By studying hog anatomy and practicing continually, I hope to prove you wrong!

This is a picture of a friend on Tejon Ranch. 20yds with a BW recurve

-

Very respectfully,

S.G. Mandrayar
MIDN USN
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Post by: frassettor on February 06, 2012, 04:50:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Sequoia:
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he responded,
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"I would strongly suggest you NOT use a recurve; the energy is insufficient to provide a good pass-through shot with a big broadhead and lost animals are highly possible. I spoke to the man who set up and ran the archery program on Tejon Ranch for six years and he saw NO animals recovered shot with either a longbow or recurve. This open country with thick brush patches and private land adjacent makes recovering a hog difficult or impossible if they don't go down right away. I've lost animals with a fast compound."
what do you guys have to say?? [/QB]
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Post by: sou-pawbowhunter on February 06, 2012, 05:00:00 PM: Don't tell any of the (heaven knows how many) hogs RC has killed with longbows. They might try to get up and run off, if they heard any such expert opinions. :laughing: :laughing:
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Post by: ishoot4thrills on February 06, 2012, 05:11:00 PM: Sounds like that dude is from back in the day when our bowhunting founding fathers had to prove to everyone that archery gear indeed was, and still is, a very effective means by which to quickly and humanely kill game animals.

Jeez, the nerve of that guy. Typical "archery" pro shop ignorance.
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Post by: gregg dudley on February 06, 2012, 05:12:00 PM: People only know what they know. He is limited by his experience like we all are. Send him the link to the pig threads on this site and will open his eyes.
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Post by: Ulysseys on February 06, 2012, 05:13:00 PM: I don't see why everyone is so hard on this guys comments, a broadhead through the lungs from a fast compound is obviously deadlier than a broadhead through the lungs with a stickbow...I thought we all knew that :confused: :D :laughing:
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Post by: Possum Head on February 06, 2012, 05:16:00 PM: That does it, I'm trashing my bows. Wish I had known how ineffective they were before investing all those years in money and practice.
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Post by: snakebit40 on February 06, 2012, 05:26:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Possum Head:
That does it, I'm trashing my bows. Wish I had known how ineffective they were before investing all those years in money and practice.
:biglaugh:
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Post by: Mac11700 on February 06, 2012, 05:33:00 PM: Well...this Pro Shop guy...really doesn't have a clue...If you trying for that particular ranch...why not call the ranch and talk to the folks there...after all..it's their land you will be hunting on..See what they say..then show that response to that so called "Pro Shop employee".

Mac
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Post by: lpcjon2 on February 06, 2012, 05:36:00 PM: I would start sending him pics of those huge hogs that Pat and some of the other guys have taken with trad gear.This clown obviously has a closed mind when it comes to Trad gear.
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Post by: wc kid on February 06, 2012, 05:44:00 PM: I know that pigs have a big plate that covers the vitals, trad bows have killed bigger meaner animals than hogs. That guy has a poor way of trying to sell a compound that will wound them just as easily.
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Post by: on February 06, 2012, 05:53:00 PM: You need to send him a copy of Buff's video of him shooting a cape buffalo with his recurve. 75yd recovery. That might open his eyes a little.

Here is a link to a thread with a link to the video:

http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=27;t=000269

Bisch
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Post by: BCWV on February 06, 2012, 05:58:00 PM: Sounds like the "pro staff" at our local shop. I'm amazed at the crap I hear some of these guys rattle off as gospel.
Fortunatley, we have a crew of traditional guys in my area who go out of their way to help newcomers to the sport.
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Post by: RedShaft on February 06, 2012, 06:47:00 PM: Guys just dont know or understand. they are brought up and grew up around the modern compound witch is advancing by leaps and bounds. our gear would seem to be insufficient. just like alot of folks on hear rant about the wheelie things and gadgets about there equipment, just don't don't know either. alot more to it than that and that's what some guys like. to each there own. only thing i would suggest when talk about it, is to not be pushy and treat them as a student and help them discover what its all about.
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Post by: T Lail on February 06, 2012, 06:49:00 PM: I have saw just the oppisite....MANY pigs that were hit by a light weight, souped up tooth pick out of a compound , and never recovered......I have also seen pigs lost to traditional gear....it's more the driver and their knowledge of how to put it in the boiler room....go some where else and shake this guys dust from your feet....
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Post by: jim ratcliff on February 06, 2012, 07:00:00 PM: guess hes got us there...the pre-historic man,indians,etc. never used primitive weapons to take animals!
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Post by: MCNSC on February 06, 2012, 08:03:00 PM: The guy was probably hoping to sell you a new compound and drop away rest and peep and sight and silencers and release and stabilizer and lighted nocks and expandable broad heads and and range finder and........well you get the picture. :rolleyes:
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Post by: Mike Mecredy on February 06, 2012, 08:15:00 PM: I have people tell me that stuff all the time. The truth is far more animals have been killed and recovered with primative and traditional gear than compounds. (They've been around alot longer) If he thinks no animal has ever been recovered with a lognbow or recurve then everyone would have starved before compounds came along.
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Post by: chanumpa on February 06, 2012, 08:25:00 PM: No use wippin a dead horse.Get a new guide.Obviusly the guy never saw MEN like Fred Bear,Howard Hill and Mr.Art Young.Its kind of laughable really.
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Post by: Doc Nock on February 06, 2012, 08:30:00 PM: Went to the PA Sport and Outdoor show today in our state capital.

BAss Pro has free parking and free shuttle where the "complex" charges $8 to park and ride a shuttle.

Sitting on the bus, a "shooting pro" for X cross bow company, a sales guy from Bass Pro, sat a few rows behind me touting the cross bow...

"It can effectively kill moose out to 60 yards and with "Y" expandable heads, blow thru any deer at 40 yards."

I'm now starting to rock back and forth in my bus seat biting my tongue.

Then he launches into hsi favorite expandable but doesn't like the "cut on impact" head some have as it bends but the trocar point will blow right through ribs and shoulder blades on impact from this "powerful" X bow!

By them my Gang buddy and friend was in near snot flying hysterics as I'm in full rocking chant mode doing low guttaral OHHHMMMMMMMM to keep from rising up from my seat and letting a verbal barage loose on the miscreant with a few well pointed facts.

Alas, it was a short enough ride I maintained control...after all, there are numverous folks in life who refuse to be confused by facts!

:knothead: :mad:
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Post by: JamesKerr on February 06, 2012, 10:28:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Terry Green:
Why don't you print out the latest 'big hog' thread with all the pics n proof....and sent if to him?
X 2
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Post by: on February 07, 2012, 10:28:00 AM: I don't think sending a pro shop guide anything will change his opinion. We would all tend to want to play the an almost evangelical part in spreading the word about trad archery, but when dealing with someone that should already know better, it is better to just toss him and his opinions into the too stupid to deal with bucket and go on.
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Post by: on February 07, 2012, 10:35:00 AM: I just love "big experts". Tell him to watch "Glory Hogs II" and then to stow his balderdash.....
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Post by: kbetts on February 07, 2012, 10:43:00 AM: I've killed more, and bigger stuff with my stickbows than in my compound days. To say my friends are now believers is an understatement. It's a lot harder to knock it once you've seen it.
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Post by: fnshtr on February 07, 2012, 10:54:00 AM: This kind of reminds me of a time my two brothers and I entered a "pro shop" in another state while returning home from a hunting trip. When the man behind the counter found out we had been hunting without sights... he went ballistic on us.

He ranted on and on about how we wouldn't go into the woods without sights on our rifles and that we had no respect for the game animals...

He actually got nasty... we just smiled and headed on home... we had deer to process. :D
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Post by: FerretWYO on February 07, 2012, 10:54:00 AM: I just killed a hog in California this last fall with a recurve with a 4 yard recovery. This was a 140 lbs field dressed.
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Post by: joekeith on February 07, 2012, 10:56:00 AM: Just tell him to talk to RC.....he knows how to kill hogs. :thumbsup:
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Post by: Mike Mecredy on February 07, 2012, 11:18:00 AM: We should find out where he lives and a bunch of us show up one night with torches and pitch forks.

Tell him to look on my website, there's a guy there (prairie drifter) that killed a large hog with a longbow.
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Post by: Shan on February 07, 2012, 11:37:00 AM: i just shake my head. i think its time to move on. like many of you have said you simply can't win everyone over and there is no point in trying.

just crazy that some people still believe that a stick bow can't get it done.

Oh well! we all KNOW different
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Post by: ron w on February 07, 2012, 12:01:00 PM: Gee all them guys that have killed Grizzly and brown bears must be liars.......I mean if you can't kill a pig! :biglaugh:
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Post by: Buckwheaties on February 07, 2012, 12:28:00 PM: "A man convinced against his will; is of the same opinion still"
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Post by: Ken Taylor on February 07, 2012, 01:00:00 PM: Too bad we can't get together and send him all the pictures of the moose, elk, and big hogs that we killed by FLUKE!

He has been thoroughly brainwashed... what can we say.

But heaven forbid, if something goes wrong on that hunt "we" will never hear the end of it.
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Post by: danderson on February 07, 2012, 06:20:00 PM: Just send him a link to this site and let him poke around.

Why don't you invite him along and prove him wrong! Make a good stalk, stick a pig, and recover it.

Guys are set in there ways when it comes to the whole compound or nothing thing. My buddy has an even stranger mentality I couldn't explain well.

That email doesn't bother me nearly as much as a TRAD only guy in my bowhunter ed course that insisted you can never sharpen a broadhead as sharp as factory once it's been shot. OK, lemme show you what my arm looked like after a day witht he KME...
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Post by: Jake Fr on February 07, 2012, 06:48:00 PM: Heck just tell him to check out youtube lots of great recurve longbow self bow vidios on their that he can watch while he makes a sour face
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Post by: landman on February 07, 2012, 07:27:00 PM: Your man is obviously not a serious hunter, despite what knowledge or experience he may otherwise have in his head. Give him this website's address and tell him to spend some time looking through the different forums if he wants to find out just how misinformed he really is.

There are enough stories and photos on this site to remove any prior conclusions or illusions that the gent may have accumulated from his years of experience.
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Post by: Caleb Andes on February 07, 2012, 08:10:00 PM: That guide makes me sound like an allstar hunter.. haha. My hog last year went down in 20 yards.
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Post by: DennyK on February 07, 2012, 08:47:00 PM: I think he is trying his best to get you to part with a grand or so of your hard earned money on one of those wheeled contraptions. Too bad the Indians didn't know how ineffective their bows and arrows would have been on those 1200 lb Buffalo.
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on February 07, 2012, 09:00:00 PM: Sounds to me like there wasn't anything of use in that shop. :deadhorse:
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Post by: The Whittler on February 07, 2012, 09:08:00 PM: There's an old saying that every now and then you just have to say : you can't fix stupid : lol.
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Post by: Duncan on February 07, 2012, 09:37:00 PM: Precisely why I don't frequent "pro shops". Those guys are always just brimming with unsolicited advice, always prying into your gear choices, angling for a possible sale. Of course if I went there and asked for it, it's my fault.
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Post by: Barry Rowland on February 07, 2012, 11:55:00 PM: Sounds to me like it wasn't so much the inefficiency factor as possibly someone not familiar with their gear. Practice makes perfect, no matter what the tool. +1 for what nd chickenman said!
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Post by: JParanee on February 08, 2012, 12:08:00 AM: Find an outfitter more accustomed to bowhunting

I got news for you guys that Is the norm . Most guides or outfits that do not cater to bowhunters or more specifically trad bow hunters shake there head when they see someone show up in camp with a stick bow
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Post by: JParanee on February 08, 2012, 12:09:00 AM: Sorry double post
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Post by: joevan125 on February 08, 2012, 08:30:00 AM: My very best frind in the world and my hunting partner just shakes his head evertime we go hunting and i pull out my bow and set it up.

I think it's really funny because this guy will shoot anything that moves even during rifle season, and when i started bowhunting during rifle season it really tore him up.

Funny thing is he is one of these guys that gets his bow out the day before the saeson and shoots a few arrows and we have spent many, many hours looking for his deer never to find them.

Since i need my deer to be 25yds and most of the time there less than 15 yds we have never lost one of my deer. I have only been shooting trad for 4 years so i dont want anyone thinking i am a master shot.

Joe Van
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Post by: joevan125 on February 08, 2012, 08:33:00 AM: One more thing he doesn't ues a range finder and i still do and last year he sat in his stand while i went to where the deer was shot way past shooting light.

I stepped it off and it was 57yds. :banghead:
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Post by: gringol on February 08, 2012, 11:50:00 AM: I just went hog hunting last weekend. A bunch of wheelie guys shot hogs that were not recovered. A couple hogs were shot clean through with wheel bows yet there was not a drop of blood on the arrow or on the ground. Bringing down a hog with a bow has much more to do with the arrow/broadhead and shot placement than the bow.
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Post by: Dimondback on February 08, 2012, 12:24:00 PM: One thing I like about this site is that you know without a doubt the people giving you advice or sharing their opinion have actually done or witnessed what they are expressing. Every year that goes by, I get a little more intolerant of those who base their opinions off of an article in a advertising-funded magazine or "what their uncle said" and regurgitating information like an expert rather than putting effort into searching for the truth. I had a similar experience when I told someone I wanted to catch striped bass on a fly rod...the reaction?...."you can't catch them stripers on a trout pole!"...Ignorance is bliss and so on...just take your money and business somewhere else and good luck!
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Post by: Swamp Yankee on February 08, 2012, 12:30:00 PM: Not sure I'd want to hunt with a guide that bad at tracking anyway.
Title: Re: Trad bows not good enough?
Post by: TaterHill Archer on February 08, 2012, 12:34:00 PM: I went to Cabelas after Solana to get some new arrows to set up. I asked to see their Easton spine chart and the girl that runs their archery dept said she didn't have one but she could help. She asked "What poundage?". I said 50-55. She then asked what weight head. I said 175 Gr and from a recurve. She said, "You might want to consider a lighter head, shooting that from a recurve will make your arrows just fall out of the sky. You won't be able to kill a pig with that."

I said, "Well, I just spent 5 days with a bunch of guys shooting recurves and longbows. So, I'll have to defer to Izzy since he shot two big hogs with a 47# longbow and 180 grain head and the last time I checked those hogs were killed graveyard dead." She just looked at me in disbelief and I left.
Title: Re: Trad bows not good enough?
Post by: Altiman94 on February 08, 2012, 02:26:00 PM: I would go ahead and take your trad bow. It's not really a 'bow' thing...it's more about kinetic energy. A trad bow has plenty of KE to effectively take a hog...and as you know...many guys here have done just that. He's just an educated 'pro shop' owner trying to push his view on you.
Title: Re: Trad bows not good enough?
Post by: Smithhammer on February 08, 2012, 02:32:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by roknjs:
I went to Cabelas after Solana to get some new arrows to set up. I asked to see their Easton spine chart and the girl that runs their archery dept said she didn't have one but she could help. She asked "What poundage?". I said 50-55. She then asked what weight head. I said 175 Gr and from a recurve. She said, "You might want to consider a lighter head, shooting that from a recurve will make your arrows just fall out of the sky. You won't be able to kill a pig with that."

Had a similar experience at another big box chain last week. The person was definitely knowledgeable when it came to compound equipment, but when I was asking for some advice on a particular make/model of shaft, the look on her face when I told her I shoot a 275 gr. head was priceless. She just went blank, like she had never heard of such a thing in her life. And when I asked if they carried 100 gr. brass inserts, I may as well have asked her in what aisle I would find the beluga caviar.

Oh well. It's not surprising. We represent a very small part of the market. But that's why I don't usually bother with buying anything in those places.
Title: Re: Trad bows not good enough?
Post by: on February 08, 2012, 03:26:00 PM: It is almost like some compound company is spreading disinformation and they are just repeating it without thinking, like news readers do.