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Title: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: mooseman76 on March 03, 2012, 07:23:00 AM
Any issues out there?  Is it prone to checking/cracking?  Anything else to think about?  Thanks for any info...Mike
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: owlbait on March 03, 2012, 07:32:00 AM
I had a bloodwood and zircote riser. No issues what so ever. It was a Zipper SXT riser. I would have no reservations asking for it in the riser as long as my bowyer was OK with it!
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: Lamey on March 03, 2012, 08:50:00 AM
Ive used it alot in knife handles and found it overall very stable, tough, serviceable etc.   It has very close "family" ties to Bocote,  but in my experience is less prone to issues then some Bocote can be.
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: david janssen on March 03, 2012, 10:32:00 AM
I had zirctoe in a Thunderstick MOAB riser.No Problems.It looks great with ash.
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: Bobby Urban on March 03, 2012, 10:50:00 AM
I have a Great Northern Ghost that I had Rick and Jerry build with some Zircote I brought back from a trip to Belize.  I have had this bow for probably 15 years with no problems as all.  Riser and tip overlays Zircote, Hickory sap wood limbs.  Looks really nice in contrast to the light limbs IMO
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: Keefer on March 03, 2012, 12:29:00 PM
Mooseman,
 This is my Hoots recurve and has Ziricote riser and Moose stippling and I have no issues with the wood! I wanted to post these pics cause it's fitting to your handle name and the overlays are moose antler as well...

 (http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu55/KEITH63/DSCN0855_085.jpg)
 (http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu55/KEITH63/DSCN0862_092.jpg)
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: LoweBow on March 03, 2012, 12:35:00 PM
My Zircote Tall Tines.  Zero issues w/ this bow and I'd have no problem w/ building one from it...


   (http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af314/LoweBow/Bows/2011-04-30_09-50-56_265.jpg)
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: hybridbow hunter on March 03, 2012, 04:21:00 PM
Ziricote and bocote and no issues
 (http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx225/hybridbowhunter/102_0128.jpg)
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: MJB on March 03, 2012, 05:11:00 PM
Zircote Silvertip. No issues
  (http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j297/treeyelpr/100_1579.jpg)
  (http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j297/treeyelpr/100_1575.jpg)
  (http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j297/treeyelpr/100_1572.jpg)
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: mooseman76 on March 03, 2012, 06:19:00 PM
That is what I'm wanting to hear.  Thanks for the pics, guys.  Just making my decision easier and easier...Mike
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: Gen273 on March 03, 2012, 10:28:00 PM
It makes a fine riser wood.
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: medic77 on March 03, 2012, 10:33:00 PM
That 'Tip is smooth.
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: JRY309 on March 03, 2012, 10:33:00 PM
I had a zircote riser RER Vortex,had no issues with it.Looked beautiful with the waterfall ash limbs!
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: helo on March 04, 2012, 01:40:00 AM
Those are some really good looking bows.    :)
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: LoweBow on March 04, 2012, 06:30:00 AM
Wow....that Tip was made from a great board!
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: owlbait on March 04, 2012, 07:34:00 AM
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa7/owlbait/IMG_0189.jpg)
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: Keefer on March 04, 2012, 07:56:00 AM
Mike,
 That Talltines is a nice chunk of board too...The Chocholate Ziricote with the black  wavy grains really look sweet! Throw in some Olive Ash Burl on the limbs and you have a mouth watering bow...
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: LoweBow on March 04, 2012, 08:06:00 AM
I love that zipper riser!  Did you ever sell it?  

Thanks Mike.
It's matched up w/ some nice Myrtle.  Brian did an awesome job on this one!

  (http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af314/LoweBow/Bows/MyTalltines.jpg)
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: Keefer on March 04, 2012, 08:10:00 AM
Brian did do a sweet job on those limbs...I saw a few bows on his website a few weeks back and man he knows how to "Dress a Bow" to make us men do a double take...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: owlbait on March 04, 2012, 08:23:00 AM
That SXT riser and some neat limbs were traded to KHALVERSON.
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: momo-t on March 04, 2012, 10:22:00 AM
Happy to hear all the positive feedback on Zircote.
I'm happy to be on Abe's list and seriously considering using it on my new Cari-bow Silverfox.
Now just to figure out what to put on the limbs...hmmm

Man life is tough.

Take care

Mo
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: Keefer on March 04, 2012, 03:54:00 PM
momo-t
How about this Olive Ash Burl?
 (http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu55/KEITH63/DSCN0859_089.jpg)
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: 1/4 away on March 04, 2012, 04:15:00 PM
Gee, that Talltines looks vaguely familiar   :banghead:
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: Keefer on March 04, 2012, 04:29:00 PM
Fred,
  No You didn't...Well I should rephase that and say Yes you did...  :knothead:
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: LoweBow on March 04, 2012, 05:16:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by 1/4 away:
Gee, that Talltines looks vaguely familiar    :banghead:  
LOL!
Fred....isn't your new Zipper Zicote?....errr is it done yet?
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: 1/4 away on March 04, 2012, 05:19:00 PM
Mike, Yep it's gonna be ziricote & bocote riser with myrtle limbs. Not done yet, hoping to hear from Bill soon to tell me that he's started on it.

Keefer, Some of us are slow learners.....  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: momo-t on March 04, 2012, 06:48:00 PM
Keith your thoughts on using olive ash is one I highly been thinking of. Also maybe some tiger stripe myrtle. Guess I'll have see what kind of stock Abe has.
Now I just have to hurry up and wait lol

Mo
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: Wudstix on March 04, 2012, 09:28:00 PM
Have a Big River recurve with Zicote riser that still looks good after @11 years, John does good work.
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: Jim Wright on March 04, 2012, 10:38:00 PM
Mike , Dan recently made me a Classic Whip that is Zircote/Myrtlewood. Have only had the bow a couple of months but certainly no issues, the Zircotte is beautiful chocolate brown with tight, wavy black grain running through it. dan had made a few bows with Zircote risers back about the time I had him make my first Whip and I don't think he has had any again untill now, you know what a stickler he is about wood quality.
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: hybridbow hunter on March 05, 2012, 01:14:00 PM
i forgot another ziricote riser i have  without issues!

 (http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx225/hybridbowhunter/photo5-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: mooseman76 on March 05, 2012, 01:33:00 PM
Well pulled the trigger today. Black Widow PCHX zircote riser with light stained curly maple limbs.
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: Eric Sprick on March 05, 2012, 06:35:00 PM
:thumbsup:  Cant wait to see that.

Eric
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: NBK on March 06, 2012, 12:44:00 AM
Brother shoots an RER XR with all zicote riser.  Doubt that Kevin would have made the bow if he had any concerns.
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: leftyfred on March 06, 2012, 09:34:00 AM
The zircote you are seeing is the end result of dry wood used by experienced woodworkers.  From another perspective, zircote is a pain in the butt to dry and sell.  Zircote 8/4 almost exclusively has to be air dried, kiln drying will reduce your pile in half.  Air drying is a nasty job also, one must dry it slowly, using tyvek or some sort of barrier to slow the drying process.  We have thrown away more zircote than almost any other wood, macassar is right up there with it.  Zircote has hit a roadblock in Mexico also, because of the drug trafficing.  The sawmills are being threatened constantly.  It is almost a smuggling operation to get zircote from the ground to the port without some sort of dangerous encounter.  This translates into high pricing for the logs.  One fellow buyer of Zircote logs in St Louis Mo has quit pursuing logs because of the dangerous nature of aquiring them.  My 2cents.  Leftyfred
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: huntmaster80 on March 06, 2012, 02:37:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by mooseman76:
Well pulled the trigger today. Black Widow PCHX zircote riser with light stained curly maple limbs.
WOW that is going to be one AWESOME looking bow. please post pics when you get it!!!!!
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: mooseman76 on March 06, 2012, 07:00:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by leftyfred:
The zircote you are seeing is the end result of dry wood used by experienced woodworkers.  From another perspective, zircote is a pain in the butt to dry and sell.  Zircote 8/4 almost exclusively has to be air dried, kiln drying will reduce your pile in half.  Air drying is a nasty job also, one must dry it slowly, using tyvek or some sort of barrier to slow the drying process.  We have thrown away more zircote than almost any other wood, macassar is right up there with it.  Zircote has hit a roadblock in Mexico also, because of the drug trafficing.  The sawmills are being threatened constantly.  It is almost a smuggling operation to get zircote from the ground to the port without some sort of dangerous encounter.  This translates into high pricing for the logs.  One fellow buyer of Zircote logs in St Louis Mo has quit pursuing logs because of the dangerous nature of aquiring them.  My 2cents.  Leftyfred
leftyfred, so after this process is complete is there still much risk of the wood checking/cracking, or does this process take care of those issues?  Thanks for your response...Mike
Title: Re: Any issues with Zircote as riser wood?
Post by: leftyfred on March 07, 2012, 08:09:00 AM
If the wood is dry, it's a done deal.  If there is any moisture content left in the wood when the bowyer does his thing, watch out!  What we encourage most to do is use kiln dried 4/4 material and laminate it to your needed finished dimension.  Too risky hoping that a 2" x 4" board is dry in the center.  Hope this helps, Mike