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Interested in some opinions. I know everyone has different likes, but I am curious.
What do you consider the ULTIMATE longbow and why?
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Jack B Harrison Black Wolf Siberian
Per Bob Wesley, "Jack's bows are the Rolls Royce of Longbows"
Matt
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Sorry Matt, but i'm going to have to disagree...
Harrison HSS two piece with the composite sleeve, only because the lines are just a little nicer (to my eyes) than the BWS, and it still feels 8lbs lighter at full draw than it really is (like almost all of Jack's bows).
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Big Jim
The very best long bows IMO buffalo or Thunderchild I have both an he is making me another TC as we speak. These things draw so smooth it literally feels like they are 10# lighter than they are marked you can't go wrong with either
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I just recently shot a toelke whip hs and it was absolutely awesome!!!! Enough that I called and put an order in with Dan just this past week
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American Longbow "Natural" by John Schulz.
Timberline Longbow by Pete George
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Toelke for me, hands down.
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Northern Mist Shelton
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Love my Toelke Whips
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Here is why bows are so interesting. Until I shoot every bow that every bowyer makes I can't honestly say. I have shot a lot of them and including all the very expensive ones that I have personally owned and shot a Sentman sticks out in my mind as being the bow I would trust. \\
Not counting the ones I make of course cause I'm biased there/
God bless you all, Steve
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No such thing. Shoot a lot of them pick the one you like.
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Originally posted by Daz:
Sorry Matt, but i'm going to have to disagree...
Harrison HSS two piece with the composite sleeve, only because the lines are just a little nicer (to my eyes) than the BWS, and it still feels 8lbs lighter at full draw than it really is (like almost all of Jack's bows).
LOL
I guess I will have to go out tomorrow and shoot my Siberian and my HSS and compare. Plus, my Harrison HHC and my 2 El Lobo's. Gosh, that's gonna be a tough day.
Matt
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Smooth draw, good speed, low vibration, good grip--there's a lot of them on the market. The big difference comes in with warranty, durability, etc.
Definately check the warranty--some are just off the wall, some are worthless (i.e. verbal). Luckily most are good. A little research goes a long way.
Chad
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I really like my three pc Bob lee envy longbow with recurve grip it shoots with authority and really shoots great when I do my part. gotta love those Bob lee's
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I love my Hills.................
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I think it is the archer who makes a bow good. Like somebody said before, there are no real bad bows out there.
You have to decide which bow suits you the best.
Roughly divided:
The Howard Hill style longbows. Straight limbs when not strung. They come with different grip styles:traditional straight, dished or pistol (locator grip)Most of the time long limbs, all the way up to 70 inches
The mildly reflexed/deflexed longbows, still a D-shape when strung.
The more agressive r/d longbows, no D-shape when strung. Also called hybrids. Smooth and fast shooters, no handshock at all. Mostly a bit shorter.Pistolgrip.
All of those are good. It is just what you prefer and like the most.
I like hybrids very much and my favorite is the Cari-bow Peregrine.
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My old Heritage "Summit". Light in the hand, fast with it's carbon lams and no stack or handshock. Right on its heels is a Fred Anderson "Reaper".
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Lone Wolf Autumn Storm is my preferred longbow of choice...Much time was put into the design and it may not be considered a longbow to some but I don't care cause I don't shoot competition but I like the way it shoots and it's 62" Long and a very smooth bow to shoot ..The craftmanship and glue lines are flawless and a very quick bow and built to last...John Maus doesn't get reconized much for his bows but it's a bow that hasn't moved from my stable since I got it from Old "TwoTimer" Mr. Painter from down south...Wonder if he's still around somewhere? Keefers <><
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I like the heavy R/D longbows as well. For a shorter version Black Creek Banshee,or a Thunderchild for there high brace height that
seems to reduce finger pinch on bows under 60"
length. For all around great bow quality,my Centaurs are my favorite of all time for speed,quietness,hitting power,and the way they feel in hand. Good looks are there as well.
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I agree with Dutchman. The most perfect longbow is the one in my hand when my arrow looks like a lazer beam to the exact spot I want to hit. Lately the bow that more than likely is in my hand when that happens is a 60@28 Big River R/D w/ straight grip and D10 8 strand string. Tomorrow it might be something else but that particular bow and I get along just fine at the moment.
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Toelke HS for me too.
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I am hoping it is a Zipper Nitro.... :pray: :D
Until it arrives...I am going to have to go with a Zipper SXT w/ LB limbs, or for a one piece it would be a Shrew, Centaur, or Kanati. :D
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Hands down my Fox Triple Crown
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funny no shrew on here yet...
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I'm with Raging Water, my Harrison's.
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1. Zipper SXT longbow
2. Big Jim TC
3. Zipper Zipstick
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Lots of really great bows out there. A&H ACS CX is da bomb for me! :archer2:
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The ultimate longbow is the one you like (at least. . today)
ChuckC
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In my humble opinion the Jim Jones FireFly longbows is Pretty close to ultimate....
Smooth-no handshock-dead silent-as accurate as I can make them arrows fly- and fit in the hand like they where hand made to my specs..(and when I think about it...they are :goldtooth: :goldtooth: :goldtooth:
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I just picked up a firefly from the classifides and I can say this bow is sweet.
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I've only shot about half a dozen different longbows and have to say the Cari-bow Slynx is the standout for me.
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Centaur, Toelke, Griffin.
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I have to disagree on there not being bad bows out there . I have owned a couple that down right stunk . And these weren't cheap or no name bowyers . Slow , lots of handshock ect.
Others I really didn't care for until I put s little work in on them and they quickly climbed to the top of my list.
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What is wrong with you guys, so I'll quess I have to tell you.... Leon Stewart Slammer!
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I really like my Longwalker and my Stalker 3pc Bushwhacker. Haven't shot the new Zipper Nitro or Zipstick enough yet to comment.
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Bender just won the Traditional division at the Redding Cal. shoot with Kirk's new Flatliner by a huge margin beating Larry Yuens record. It is a bow to look at. There are a couple shown in the thread on D shaped D and R longbow appreciation thread./
I don't know all the details but combination of bow and shooter means a lot. It takes both.
God bless you all,
Steve
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I love my Tomahawk longbows!!! The new Legacy Series is the BEST!
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I shot a dwyer endeavor and i have one on the way, if i could get it in a two piece for backpacking in on hunts i'd be in heaven !
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I shoot a lot of different bows but I always come back to my Mohawk. Sez a lot.RC
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My sunset hill when I could shoot it nate is a purest. Which I admire and his bowslook and shoot real sweet. My hunting partnerbought one the other is for sale a real bummer. My left shoulder can pull but it can no longer push.take care of your shoulder's fellow travelers.
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My sunset hill when I could shoot it nate is a purest. Which I admire and his bowslook and shoot real sweet. My hunting partnerbought one the other is for sale a real bummer. My left shoulder can pull but it can no longer push.take care of your shoulder's fellow travelers.
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Great Northern, Bush Bow
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3 Pc takedown......Jim Jones firefly........1 Pc r&d.....treadway. blackforest or Chad Holmes osprey......
Forward handle.....Jason Kendal kANATI
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Love my Mohawk!
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My favorite is an all osage Fedora Extreme I got off the classifieds last week. She's got smooth drawing, quiet, fast and stable limbs.
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wow!! all these bows and still no silvertips!! :dunno: :dunno:
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I keep going back to my Centaur's....LOVE them...
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Hill
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for me it is a three way tie, Schulz Legend, Pete George yew/glass, Robertson Stykbow.
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Okay, rock the boat time!
My Saluki Ibex is up there with my Harrison's.
Matt
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Agree with the centaur comment. I eliminated all my longbows and now have 3 centaurs left. A 47@26, a 55@26, and a 65@26 all 60 inches and all beautiful and awesome shooters.
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Sarrels and T-Hawk for me....
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EagleWing T/D Longbow, double carbon/yew
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Morrison Shawnee and ILF. I also have two Centaurs.
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I really like my Spirit longbow by Bryan Holley. Great looking R/D bow that is very comfortable to shoot.
Bernie Bjorklund
NC Iowa/SW Wisconsin
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Just got a Dwyer Original ,that and my HH westley,two of the best I've ever had.Something about those Hills,its more than just the bow,gets into your blood!
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northernmist superior
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#1 centaur
#2 shrew classic hunter
#3 N Mist Shelton
But there are so many fine others B creek banshee, Griffin,Morrison,and on and on
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Belcher Longhorn 62" is my current favorite.
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Leon Stewart Slammer for me!!!!
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Tracey at St. Joe River Bows just built a new longbow for me, entirely different from their norm. I got a chance to shoot it prior to being finished and it's a rocket launcher!!
Came out to 58#@28, 60 inches long and nearly all walnut. The laminates were matched on the back and belly, this had to be meticulous!!
She also built the limbs completely custom, making them deeper and more narrow. Pics to come soon!!-
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The one in my hand at the time, I have shot bows that are older than I am to brand spanking new ones, and I just love them, There are so many great bowyers out there, I would love to have an endless line of bows to shoot, Not that I don't have a special bow or 2 , but if the other bows find out they might get jealous and smack me a little.
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It is a newbe on the scene but the Legends cyclone is not only the nicest longbow that I have shot but is one of the finest BOWS that I have ever shot!
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The next one....
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/deereatingpopcorn.gif)
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Another vote for Big Jim Thunderchild!
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there is absolutely no such thing as an "ultimate bow" of any pedigree. that's pure nonsense on way too many levels.
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Acadian Woods Tree stick
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Jim Jones' Firefly Longbows. I took the 2012 Oklahoma State Indoor championship with my 36lb Firefly and the 2012 NFAA Southern Sectional championship with the same little bow. I finished 10th at my first Indoor Nationals this year shooting the only wooden bow off the shelf against the olympic metal riser, elevated rest, plunger buttoned bows. Very accurate bow that literally shoots itself.
www.braveheartarchery.us (http://www.braveheartarchery.us )
http://www.braveheartarchery.us/new_page_20.htm
(the embedded video is me shooting my 55lb bow at a standard NFAA 300 target)
They are one of the quietest, smoothest and dead in the hand longbows you will ever shoot.
As for speed my 55lb Firefly will launch a 584 gr. Beman 400 MFX Classic at 191 FPS and my 36 lb. bow will shoot a full length Carbon Express 2040 Predator with a 145 gr. tip at 172 fps at my draw length of 29 1/2.
You can't find a better bow for the money.
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The Whip. Hands down. Dan is an artist.
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
there is absolutely no such thing as an "ultimate bow" of any pedigree. that's pure nonsense on way too many levels.
X2 Rob. It entertains me how often this post cycles through and always receives a slug of responses.
If it aint a D it aint for me! Hill #1 :laughing:
Feels like the traditional NASCAR circuit...
~CB
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there is absolutely no such thing as an "ultimate bow" of any pedigree. that's pure nonsense on way too many levels.
X3
PS- I couldn't miss anything letting arrows fly from a Dean Torges self bow of my Buddy's, but I do Love my first Custom Hill "Wesley Special" with string follow!!! J :thumbsup: :campfire:
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My short answer is "yes". Longbows, I've found are alot like my kids. I love each one of them better than the other one....
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I really do not like to agree with Rob to often, I have more fun arguing, but really there is no recurve or hybrid or longbow that fits every job for every person. I prefer D bows, but still I have made some of my best shots with a Super K, including 5 tossed quarters in a row at 10 to 12 yards. I still on the whole do better with D bows and at times with my Robertson R/D bows outdoing everything. Naming things as 'the best' can at most be a fad thing per individual decision. Now saying all that, some bows from the past are junk and don't belong in a category that could get someone thinking they just may be 'the best'.
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Originally posted by pavan:
... I prefer D bows, but still I have made some of my best shots with a Super K ... I still on the whole do better with D bows and at times with my Robertson R/D bows outdoing everything. ...
once again, without qualifying WHAT "D" bow, these kinda statements are meaningless. :D afl "D" or hybrid r/d "D" or both?
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Okay then, there are of course the self D shaped limbs, the r/d that load into a D braced position, and then there are my Schulz and Pete George and my own bows that are deep cored AFLs. The answer is all of the above.
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Originally posted by pavan:
Okay then, there are of course the self D shaped limbs, the r/d that load into a D braced position, and then there are my Schulz and Pete George and my own bows that are deep cored AFLs. The answer is all of the above.
imho, the longbow build doesn't matter one bit, in this case, whether the hybrid r/d is composite or self.
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I'm old, so when you talk longbow I think of a self bow or a Hill style laminated bow.
Of those, the ultimate longbow is a "slight" string follow laminated bow for smoothness and durability.
Now in hybrids there are dozens of bows out there. Many first rate!
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I had the opinion that the aggressive hybrids just had to be as tricky to shoot as a narrow limbed touchy recurve, until I shot a couple of nice ones, then I changed my mind. A well tuned and tillered bow can be any style and get the job done very nicely, I am not one that thinks a bow has to be a particular shape to be forgiving, stable, and accurate, perhaps my release is better than I think it is, but I really don't see a huge difference of sensitivity from my Robertsons to my string follow longbow. I like longbows for the fast handling and point ability, regardless of exactly which form it comes out of.
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I agree that no matter what bow your shooting, if you work with it long enough you can make the arrows go where you want them to go. But, when I shoot some of the old popular bows built in the 60's, they shoot well, but kinda beat me up doing it. Shoulders and fingers hurt, teeth feel rattled, stuff like that. Then, when I shoot an awsome design like the Cyclone, I feel like I can shoot all day and I don't feel like I was in a car wreck when I wake up the next morning. If I pull a 45 pound Bear Kodiak compared to a 45 pound Legend there is simply no comparison. I know people will say that 45 pounds on a scale is 45 pounds no matter what bow it is, but I can tell you there definitely is a difference. Some of the top marketed ILF limbs react the same way. With a bow design like Mike Rash's, even though it's 45 pounds on the scale, it just doesn't feel like 45 pounds. It feels like much less weight. No shock or vibration coming back down your arm to your jaw, neck, shoulders, and doesn't feel like it wants to kick sideways or flip over when it leaves your hand. There is definitely some great things to be said for these new great designs. I admire the old bows, but much prefer to shoot these new better designs that were made so the bow will perform better. It's not a speed thing for me, nor cosmetics, but the way the bow feels which makes me more confident. Everyone has their own preference. Not one bow will fill the needs of all of us. I don't think there is one ultimate longbow that can fill the needs of everyone. But I agree with Curlis, my choice is a Legend Cyclone. For me, it just fills the needs I want in a longbow.
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and in reality, the arrow is far more important than the bow.
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Well,
The ULTIMATE longbow, to own, would be one made by Howard Hill himself. One that he hunted with. One he shared with and was shot by Young, Pope, and Compton. Even a young Fred Bear shooting it although he was a lefty. But there ain't such an animal.
And I have to respectfully disagree with the above comment.
The arrow is only as good as the bow and archer that launched it. All must work in harmony.
In saying that, I don't harmonize as well as I'd like. :(
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Originally posted by Bud B.:
Well,
The ULTIMATE longbow, to own, would be one made by Howard Hill himself. One that he hunted with. One he shared with and was shot by Young, Pope, and Compton. Even a young Fred Bear shooting it although he was a lefty. But there ain't such an animal.
And I have to respectfully disagree with the above comment.
The arrow is only as good as the bow and archer that launched it. All must work in harmony.
In saying that, I don't harmonize as well as I'd like. :(
Think there was a hill bow for sale recently in the classifieds
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Originally posted by huntmaster80:
Think there was a hill bow for sale recently in the classifieds [/b]
Oh there are Hill made bows out there, but one shot by all those other guys too?
I couldn't afford it if it did exist.
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Originally posted by Bud B.:
Well,
The ULTIMATE longbow, to own, would be one made by Howard Hill himself. One that he hunted with. One he shared with and was shot by Young, Pope, and Compton. Even a young Fred Bear shooting it although he was a lefty. But there ain't such an animal.
And I have to respectfully disagree with the above comment.
The arrow is only as good as the bow and archer that launched it. All must work in harmony.
In saying that, I don't harmonize as well as I'd like. :(
think about which will be most consistently accurate for any archer/bowhunter - a tomato stake arrow shot from any modern high dollar stick bow, or a perfectly balanced and spined arrow out of a tomato stake stick bow?
the arrow is always more important than the bow ... Period. :rolleyes:
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What about the string?
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Originally posted by Gapmaster:
I agree that no matter what bow your shooting, if you work with it long enough you can make the arrows go where you want them to go. But, when I shoot some of the old popular bows built in the 60's, they shoot well, but kinda beat me up doing it. Shoulders and fingers hurt, teeth feel rattled, stuff like that. Then, when I shoot an awsome design like the Cyclone, I feel like I can shoot all day and I don't feel like I was in a car wreck when I wake up the next morning. If I pull a 45 pound Bear Kodiak compared to a 45 pound Legend there is simply no comparison. I know people will say that 45 pounds on a scale is 45 pounds no matter what bow it is, but I can tell you there definitely is a difference. Some of the top marketed ILF limbs react the same way. With a bow design like Mike Rash's, even though it's 45 pounds on the scale, it just doesn't feel like 45 pounds. It feels like much less weight. No shock or vibration coming back down your arm to your jaw, neck, shoulders, and doesn't feel like it wants to kick sideways or flip over when it leaves your hand. There is definitely some great things to be said for these new great designs. I admire the old bows, but much prefer to shoot these new better designs that were made so the bow will perform better. It's not a speed thing for me, nor cosmetics, but the way the bow feels which makes me more confident. Everyone has their own preference. Not one bow will fill the needs of all of us. I don't think there is one ultimate longbow that can fill the needs of everyone. But I agree with Curlis, my choice is a Legend Cyclone. For me, it just fills the needs I want in a longbow.
I totally agree. I have never shot a Cyclone, but for me the Cari-bow Peregrine fills my needs. I can shoot it all day and that bow I shoot with confidence. Just bougth a second one, BTW....
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think about which will be most consistently accurate for any archer/bowhunter - a tomato stake arrow shot from any modern high dollar stick bow, or a perfectly balanced and spined arrow out of a tomato stake stick bow?
the arrow is always more important than the bow ... Period. :rolleyes: [/QB]
I couldn't agree more! I always say: A badly tuned arrow from a perfect bow will fly bad, but a perfectly tuned arrow from a bad bow will fly perfect.
What about that? :)
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I shoot one that you don't hear a whole lot out of these days but they are STELLAR performers are Gus Dellagaffo's "Longriver Longbows".Gus started making his bows back in the early eightys and was a fixture a Denton Hill for decades!!When you see him there he usually always has 3 or 4 along with him. His 62" R/D ELK model is a rocket launcher and has fit and finish that are second to NO ONE!!I can never get more than 100 yards and there are guys stopping me to see my bow!! I'll try to get a thread up on my bow...you guys will see what you are missing...great guy...super bows......jackdaw
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(FOR ME) David miller's "old tom" american longbow ( like an extention of my arm! ) :thumbsup:
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I think my Dwyer Defiant is pretty close to ultimate longbow. 60" 55#@28" . With these specs, stealth quiet, and a little confidence, this Gem is hard to beat. It will do just about anything you ask of it and do it well. Looks to kill as well!
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
there is absolutely no such thing as an "ultimate bow" of any pedigree. that's pure nonsense on way too many levels.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: Just looking for a fun thread to see what everyone likes, not a scientific debate or a reccomendation for my next bow.
Apparently a little fun is too difficult for some :rolleyes:
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Cody ,your so right,this is a very interesting topic,especially for new guys and gals.many forget the old days,or wern't around then,when we made decisions for ourselves,usually based on no experience and no help given.I know I would have saved a ton of money and time listening to advise of experienced archers or at least a working knowledge to give me some options.
Your right Cody,some see just rain,others see growth.
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Originally posted by MTArrowLauncher:
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
there is absolutely no such thing as an "ultimate bow" of any pedigree. that's pure nonsense on way too many levels.
:saywhat:
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I expected what most people did, answered with what to them was the ultimate LB
By debate I meant the bow vs arrow as being more important .
It's hard to shoot a bow when you can't pull it back due to an injury. Closest I can get is talking about bows and asking loaded questions I guess
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my personal longbow that I designed and built myself.
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Well it's like this. I've been here for a bunch of years. I have owned and shot the best in recurves,hybrid longbows and reflex/deflex longbows. After many years of buying,shooting and selling over and over. I have come to the realization that I shoot Mohawk Longbows the best. They are my Holy Grail. I own 3 of them. This is my opinion. You need to listen to the folks here . Get some ideas and make up your own mind after you have shot a bunch of bows. Not all bows are for everyone.
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Originally posted by bentpole:
Well it's like this. I've been here for a bunch of years. I have owned and shot the best in recurves,hybrid longbows and reflex/deflex longbows. After many years of buying,shooting and selling over and over. I have come to the realization that I shoot Mohawk Longbows the best. They are my Holy Grail. I own 3 of them. This is my opinion. You need to listen to the folks here . Get some ideas and make up your own mind after you have shot a bunch of bows. Not all bows are for everyone.
I listen to everyone's advice and learn a lot here. That is irrelevant in this case however because I did not ask what I should buy or for someone to make up my mind for me, I merely asked what others liked. I don't understand why asking others what they like and why has turned into this?
And what does being here for a long time have to do with anything?
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I was enjoying reading about everyones favorite bows. Some I had to look up because I had never even heard of. Sad that It got de-railed in such a manner. I see growth.
Rob
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Originally posted by Rob W.:
I was enjoying reading about everyones favorite bows. Some I had to look up because I had never even heard of. Sad that It got de-railed in such a manner. I see growth.
Rob
That is precisely why I asked the question. You get to hear about bows you never heard of before, and sometimes get to see pics of super nice bows, and gives you new boyers to look at and bows to admire.
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here we go yet again. another "what is best" thread. that's what these kinda threads always boil down to in the short run.
since EVERYTHING about trad archery/bowhunting is PERSONAL, someone please tell us all how anyone who crows about the virtues of his/her bow is gonna make anyone know what bow is "BEST" or even "ULTIMATE" for them?
can't be done. way far too subjective. which is a good word to apply to a free-form shooting weapon such as a bow (and arrow).
as far as what's most important for consistent accuracy - the bow or the arrow - that's really a no-brainer. really think about that for awhile. then think, if your life was on the line, or the life of a critter yer aiming at, of all the things that happen when you drop string, what really matters most?
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Originally posted by MTArrowLauncher:
Originally posted by Rob W.:
I was enjoying reading about everyones favorite bows. Some I had to look up because I had never even heard of. Sad that It got de-railed in such a manner. I see growth.
Rob
That is precisely why I asked the question. You get to hear about bows you never heard of before, and sometimes get to see pics of super nice bows, and gives you new boyers to look at and bows to admire. [/b]
then your thread would have been way better served if you postulated it thataway. ya know, those ubiquitous "hey gang, what bow ya like best!" kinda threads.
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Zipper Sxt then a Big Jim Thunderchild. Im wanting to try the Zipper nitro. Good luck. God bless.
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Once again, you are missing the point Rob. I did not ask what is THE best. I asked what is the best for others in THEIR opinion for THEM. I was interested in what others like for the several reasons I posted above.
If that strikes you the wrong way........tough. If you don't like the thread you don't have to post in it and ruin it.
Several people enjoyed the thread and reading about people's favorite bows, so there is obviously a place for this thread.
And it may be a no brainer, but it's also irrelevant in this thread and I didn't say one way or the other about it.
Not sure why you and a couple others had to turn a perfectly enjoyable thread into a disaster.
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Originally posted by MTArrowLauncher:
I expected what most people did, answered with what to them was the ultimate LB
I like reading folks opinions of an ultimate bow. And things do get off topic.
I like growth, but rain creates growth, I guess.
How 'bout some sunshine on this thread :wavey:
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Originally posted by MTArrowLauncher:
Interested in some opinions. I know everyone has different likes, but I am curious.
What do you consider the ULTIMATE longbow and why?
Just to refresh, this was my original post
Nowhere does it say tell me what to buy, or what's the best ever or blah blah blah
It says I am interested in what others consider the ultimate longbow and why..... .........pretty simple I think
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Originally posted by Bud B.:
Originally posted by MTArrowLauncher:
I expected what most people did, answered with what to them was the ultimate LB
I like reading folks opinions of an ultimate bow. And things do get off topic.
I like growth, but rain creates growth, I guess.
How 'bout some sunshine on this thread :wavey: [/b]
You are right Bud,
Im done
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I understood the original post. If someone doesn't agree with the thread, they don't need to involve themselves in it.
This is a fun thread nonetheless and interesting. Everyone DOES have a specific bow that they feel is the best for them, and that is the goal of this thread i believe; to find out WHAT that bow is and WHY it is that way for THAT person.
Gives the rest of us some bows to check out and say "Hey I never thought of that one before."
Just everyone remember:
"Expect to be respected if you decide to join the gang, because the rule of respect is held highest of the few rules that apply. Tradgang.com has a zero tolerance for disrespect directed to anyone. If you want to disagree, then please do so in an adult manner. Debate is healthy, as one sword sharpens another, but it must be done in an honorable fashion."
It's allllll good. :cool:
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Ok then I consider the ultimate longbow The Mohawk Sparrowhawk.Why? Very well made , reasonable price, very smooth drawing , very quiet on release ,very quick, and very easy to tune and shoot with accuracy. How's that?
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Perfect :thumbsup:
I'm glad you like it, I've heard good things about them :archer2:
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Great thread!
I have read so many valid opnions on what the "Ultimate Longbow" means to each individual.
It's a shame that some folks gotta add drama to a simple and fun thread. The world is full of whiners and complainers. I feel sorry for those folks.
For me, I have found that I have two ultimate styles of longbows. I love the Hill Style with a little R/D. And, the Scynthian or Mongloian style.
Who'd a thunk that?
Matt
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I'm slowly finding out what I like. Tradgang needs a bus that drives cross country stopping at members houses and shooting bows.
I think after one trip I would have a pretty good idea what my ultimate is. Now if I could only get some time off. :archer2:
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Originally posted by Rob W.:
I'm slowly finding out what I like. Tradgang needs a bus that drives cross country stopping at members houses and shooting bows.
I think after one trip I would have a pretty good idea what my ultimate is. Now if I could only get some time off. :thumbsup:
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I had a Robertson Mystical that I killed a few deer with that I could shoot very well. Like a dummy, I sold it. Best longbow I ever had...
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I really like my Hummingbird Alpha male 64 in longbow. I have a Whippenstick thats growing on me also. The best ? doubtful, but the bird has stayed while many others went down the road.
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I love to see what other bow shooters shoot, what ever you call a longbow. I can't get enough of reading and seeing photos of longbows.
This web site has brought a lot of us together, with our own opinions and that keeps us on our toes.
The ultimate longbow to me is Home-Made Osprey, because the first arrow I shoot out of it hits where I aim and speed is second to none. The handle fits me perfect and it just plain out shoots and is fun to shoot.
When I first started shooting in 1955, we had only a few books to read about Bow hunting and instructions on shooting, and now with Trad Gang we are blessed every day with data that teaches things we hunger for about bow hunting!
Great post! Ken Denton
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I'd say. One you made yourself...
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Originally posted by Matty:
I'd say. One you made yourself...
Good one!
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While it might be considered a hybrid.....the shrew classic hunter is a fine longbow.
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I like my Widow PLX . Good grip, smooth and forgiving.
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As i posted earlier, my ideas about bows that were at one time absolute, turn into pleasant surprises as I get my hands on more bows to try. My wife's Lost Creek NAT was a real shocker, 54" for her under 27" draw, as fast as a 53 pound Hill with the same arrow, smooth at my draw, accurate and it feels longer and way more solid and stable than one would ever think. Then, I bought a 41@28" 58" Maddog Prairie Predator for a kid, super smooth, deadly quiet, quick and forgiving. Makes me wonder how many animals it will kill in its lifetime.
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It seems that the term "ultimate" is actually a moving target. What is the ultimate bow today may not be quite so ultimate tomorrow. That's what makes threads like this fun, because you see so many points of view.
For me it is the Howard Hill bows. They are the classic American Longbow design, they have a history of being associated with one of the greatest archers ever, and are just plain fun and very effective.When traditional archery is mentioned, a HH bow comes to my mind.
There may be many bows that are technilogically more advanced, but thay just don't have the romantic (literary usage of the word romantic) appeal of a Hill bow.
But as Rob S. stated there is no single ultimate bow. It is a matter of personal preference. Wouldn't it be fun, though, if we could all get together for a big shoot and have everybody bring his/her personal ultimate bow? There would be some rousing debate around that campfire for sure.
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Originally posted by Sam McMichael:
It seems that the term "ultimate" is actually a moving taget.
For me it is the Howard Hill bows. They are the classic American Longbow design, they have a history of being associated with one of the greatest archers ever, and are just plain fun and very effective.When traditional archery is mentioned, a HH bow comes to my mind.
There may be many bows that are technilogically more advanced, but thay just don't have the romantic (literary
usage of the word romantic) appeal of a Hill bow.
I can agree with that comment, all day long!
Matt
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Good thread MTarrowlauncher. I too love to hear others opinions on what they consider the ultimate bow. For me its the Shrew CH and Centaur. I like to hunt with the 56" CH-its length just makes for easy handling in the woods. I use my Centaur for 3-d- its speed seems to make the longer shots easier.
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Im glad this thread is back to its original fun purpose. I love hearing what people think is the best bow for them! So many great ones out there. The nicest longbow ive shot so far is the toelke whip. My buddy has a tomohawk that is also nice. I would love to shoot a Moab a Treestick or a centaur as a one piece. As a three piece id love to shoot a robertson Raven styk. I like Rob W's idea about the bus!!
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I'm hoping to say the same thing tomorrow... new whip in the mail :pray:
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Cool Zradix. Im sure you'll love it. Im like so many on here who has sold a great bow.. Why the hell do we do it! Enjoy yours.
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My next super ultimate longbow is going to be a Stotler, I cannot decide whether to get it right handed or left handed or what materials should be in it. The Stotler I had years ago was a life changer for me, I really cannot explain why I did not get more of them. Perhaps I was just curious about other bows.
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Right now its a Northern Mist Superior, but I do love the Bear Montana.
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My vote is the Fox Triple Crown Carbon bow by Ron King. Fast, accurate with elite craftsmanship. Nothing I have ever shot feels like it or shoots like it!
Mark
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The one that is in my hand at the time I drop the sting!!!!!
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I would have to agree with everyone who has mentioned the Fox Triple Crown. Mine has the carbon option and it is just a superb longbow.
Regards,
Grouse
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got an abbott bow,from when he was packing out his own yew with horses,71#r and an anderson skookum about 75#,tellyou what, the anderson is a little quicker,but only a little, they are both as smooth as silk and cast a 700gr arrow in the finest way,got a new 63#lefty abbott and thats a nice bow too!
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My Centaur and then my Firefly
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Originally posted by Zradix:
I'm hoping to say the same thing tomorrow... new whip in the mail :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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I'm all about the growth and not the rain...However these threads are often an inevitable slippery slope. Kinda like a Habu VS. Black Widow thread. Do not go there!
We all take this journey differently and I have been one of those traditional shooters that has enjoyed trying everything I can get my hands on. I have enjoyed this approach and this site has really made that possible given where I live. Has the constant change-up of tackle affected my shooting? I think maybe it has. Have I received critcism for always trying something new? Yes, but it's such a personal journey I really care not.
Luckily, high end trad bows are generally a worthy investment. You can go through this process and loose a little dough here and there, but in general their values hold.
So to participate in this thread as I now interpret it. Two years ago my "ultimate bow" was a Toelke Whip. Still pick these up and love shooting them. One year ago my "ultimate bow" was a 64" Griffin R/D. Six months ago my "ultimate bow" was a Toelke Lynx, which is the bow I have the biggest regret of ever selling. Three months ago my "ultimate bow" was a 2 piece Bama Expedition Hunter. This bow will take a moose this fall. Right now my "ultimate bow" is a very unique Thunderhorn Vintage serial #1; I can shoot this bow all day without any fatigue. In the mail I have a Centaur Carbon Elite so my "ultimate bow" is liable to be up for subjective internal debate...I will be sure to update this thread should the Centaur leap frog the Thorn...
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~CB
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Bar none....Centaur Triple Carbon.