Trad Gang
Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: turkulese on June 23, 2012, 10:22:00 PM
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As a newbie to this sport... I was wondering if you guys could give me some suggestions on what to start with. Currently I shoot a 75 lb. compound.
What weight should I start out with? Any particular brands? I definitely want a recurve.
I know I just need to pick up some and try several different bows, but I need a place to start.
Thanks in advance for any help - Ray
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samick recurve from twig archery. i would go for something around 50 lbs. they are good bows for the money. and good to start out with.
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There is a beautiful bear tigercat in the classifieds. Would be a great bow. Might be a lil heavy but a possibility if you have been shooting 75 in a wheel bow. What's your draw length?
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A Samick Sage can be had for about $135 and limbs are cheap, so you can move up in weight. I would start at 45#.
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Check the classifed adds good place to start a samik is good and you can get more limbs easily to move up in weight when you are ready and I would start in low 40's till you get used to it and have fun its a great trip down this road
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Jrstegner provided a VERY sound suggestion, both in a quality built, low cost bow and an effective and deadly, but user friendly weight (45#).
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Samick would be a good starter. I'd recommend #40 or #45. Soon, you'll be contemplating selling your wheely bow....LOL.
Ken
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PM'ed
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Ray- good to see you hear. I am home now. Lets talk soon. I can help you out. Even lend you one to try.
Dan
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I shot an 80# compound when I switched to trad.
I could pull that 80# without trouble after sitting in a 10˚F stand for hours.
I tried a 55# recurve first...too much.
Then a 50#...still to much.
After that I tried a 45# recurve..finally it felt right.
Now I've tried a few 45# bows and right now I'm the happiest with a 45# 62" montana bows (Toelke) whip...actually a plenty coups archery whip.
I was really surprised how far I had to drop in weight from my compound to find a comfortable draw weight for a trad bow.
There's a BIG difference between pulling back 80# and having that let-off letting you hold 15# while you settle in for a shot and pulling back a trad bow and settling in at 45+# to take a shot.
45# is more than enough bow for north american game. You can search here for the proof.
Don't get trapped into the machoness of pulling a heavier bow just to end up having an uncomfortable set up.
You can always step up to a higher poundage bow whenever you want.
I've only been at this about 5 years now, but I don't feel any need to go up from my 45# at this point.
Take a look at the classifieds on this site.
There are many very good bows at great prices to be had.
You can pick up and learn to shoot almost any bow you can pull back comfortably, BUT it'll most likely take trying out/buying/trading a few bows to really find out what you like the most.
Good luck.
Enjoy the journey.
and WELCOME!
:campfire:
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I'd look into finding you a used Martin X-200 or any of their models. They are great bows, and for some reason go for cheap on the used market. I like em because they seem to have a grip that's very versatile, and not super high or really low. Look for one about 45# or so. I'd rather have a used Martin over a new Samick Sage, for around the same money, but thats just my opinion ;) . Don't go broke buying your first either way, because if you stick with trad, you WILL want another bow. No matter what you start with :p . But you just may come back to it later! Focus on getting something that fits, then try and wear it out! :archer2:
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If you can sand and spray a can of finish think about getting a bow blank from 7 Lakes. They are a sponser here. You can get a very lightweight blank now and when you're ready, cut the tips an inch. You'll gain 5-8 lbs every time you take off 2".
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I am not sure I would go the route of buying something that may give you the wrong impression as to the quality of trad equipment and its accuracy. Some of the ones mentioned may be good, however my experience is you get what you pay for.
I think I would find a couple of bowyers that you may be interested in and have them send you some of their bows to try at different weights and lengths.
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All good advice on here.
I went from a 75# @ 31" round wheeler to a 50# recurve 30 years ago, and couldn't habdle it.
Wasted a lot of time, building up my strength, rather than improviong my form and having fun.
Don't worry, you can alwasys work your strength up.
I am now 69 and can draw and hold 73# at 31".
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Zradix's story is interesting.
I started as a scrawny toothpick of a kid with a 45# Bear Grizzley back when. Got talked into a 55# compound with 50% let off in about 1980. Went back to a 55# Damon Martin Hunter in 1996 without any problem.
Match my story to Zradix's story and you may want to buy an inexpensive take-down bow with inexpensive limbs. So, the Samick Sage will cost you $ 130, and an extra set of limbs will cost you $ 60 if you want heavier or ligher.
However, if I were to start over, I'd probably buy a Pinnacle II riser, with ILF limbs. That starts at about $ 450 and extra limbs at about $ 125. The reason for ILF limbs is that I can buy limbs from anyone as long as they are also ILF.
But, then, it depends also on what you can afford.
BTW, I'm now shooting a 66", on piece, 48# custom Blacktail recurve which I much enjoy. But, I'll have to spend for a differnt draw weight because I'll need a completely differnt bow in that event.
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Originally posted by jrstegner:
A Samick Sage can be had for about $135 and limbs are cheap, so you can move up in weight. I would start at 45#.
I like this advice!
Bisch
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If you have a few more bucks to spend, try the PSE Mustang recurve, it´s right on the $210.00 mark. This bow shoots well over its price tag and the overall finish is better than the Samick.
I been using one for the past four years, whitetail, mule, 3d, competition, you name it the Mustang is far from letting me down and proudly made in the USA.
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Good advice here. Start at a lighter weight that is comfortable, and don't bother to compare to what you drew with the compund - apples and oranges here. Later, if you wish, you can move up in draw weight, but don't be in a hurry. Let your natural increase in skill and strength tell you if you want to move up, not a macho impulse. I think you will like the challenge of trad.
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Thanks for all the great advice... I just have to say, I very much enjoy this forum over other bow sites. - Ray
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I shot a 70 # recurve and when I started with a longbow 40 was a good weight but was shooting 45 before long.
I find a lot of the old "common" recurves to be great bows. maybe you can find one, then order/buy something once you know what you want after shooting other bows.
This is all part of the journey, keep it fun and good luck!
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Whatever you choose, start low.
Most converts from compounds try to muscle as much bow as possible and end up hurting themselves or getting discouraged because their form is improper and shooting is off.
You want a bow that you can shoot ALOT and not get sore. Going traditional requires a ton of practice, everyday, if your looking to hunt in the near future.
#45 will kill almost anything in North America with the proper arrow set-up, and is still comfy enough to hunt small game with.
Do yourself a HUGE favor and buy a used custom from the classifieds. There are many great sellers on there. I would select a seller with a high number of posts, a "Contributor" or sponsor.
A used custom vs. a new low end is a noticeable difference. ;)
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I agree with the advice to start low in poundage. You will enjoy it much more and will be most likely to stick with it if you are able to develop some accuracy quickly...the biggest barrier to this IMO is being 'overbowed'. 45#-50# is plenty and you can hunt with this without reservations.
I'd also recommend trying a demo bow from companies that are willing, or buying a quality used bow from the classifieds here. If you buy a QUALITY used bow you can usually get your money back out of it if you decide to order one or try something else.
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I would start with a bow you can hold at full draw for at least 10 seconds without straining.
Go to a sporting goods store that has some recurves or longbows and draw few different weights and hold them.
Once you decide on the weight then I would pick up a used inexpensive recurve at that weight and shoot that at close distances for a while.
Later if you decide this sport is for you, you can decide a bowyer and bow you really like and pick one up used first.
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Welcome from Kentucky!
I agree try around a 45-50 # to begin with. Get something from the classifieds. Its great fun to buy and sell there. You will get to shoot a bunch of bows for not much money if you watch the deals.
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x2 Samick Sage... Buy a good string for it and it's not a bad bow for the $$$. Speaking of $$$, bows are like cars in the sence that as soon as you drive them off of the lot they just lost about 1/4 of there value in the used market. Don't get in a hurry for your 1st custom bow, choose wisely.
I would recommend starting on the lighter side, maybe 40#. IMO, until you get good form you'll never fall in love with traditional archery or be very good at it. Also, the longer AMO (length of the bow)the smoother the bow.
I'm fairly new to traditional archery (~3 years) and have been from 44#-62# and not in that order. My first trad bow was 60# and brother did I fight it. I never had any confidence until I got a lighter bow and learned good form.
Once you decide on your bow I would suggest getting familiar with OL Adcock's tuning site along with Stu's Calculator for tuning your arrows. A well tuned bow setup helps the learning curve leaps and bounds!!!
Good luck and most of all have fun! I wish that I would have found this site when I started a few years back, I've learned a lot here as I'm sure you will too.