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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: zipper bowss on July 19, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
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As the title says a price increase on the Grizzly broadheads is unavoidable. I thought it better to inform everyone here why rather than to just raise the price with no explanation. It’s simple really. There are 3 reasons for this price increase.
1) All Grizzly broadheads will now be Teflon coated. The Teflon is a vast improvement over paint. As many of you know I have struggled to try to find a paint that will hold up with little to no success. Teflon was the answer but they don’t apply that stuff for free.
2) The new packaging and art work involved. The packaging was another issue that had to be resolved. The old Ziplock baggies just are not made to handle braodheads. Especially now that they are ground completely to the edge and the tips are ground sharp as well. Not only that but our insurance required it.
3) The grind its self. It takes quite a bit longer than we initially expected to put this grind on heads this hard. The long single bevel requires removing a lot of stock. For example the Kodiak 200’s require removing 40 grains of 52-54 rockwell high carbon steel. Trust me when I say it does not go willingly.
There you have it. These are the reasons for the price increase.
The new price for a 6 pack of Grizzly broadheads is $38.95
The new price for a 6 pack of Grizzly Kodiaks is $41.95
IF YOU HAVE A PREORDER WITH US. Your quoted price will remain the same. I will honor that old price for your heads.
Bill
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Still a darn good price.
:clapper:
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Thank you for increasing the price instead of cutting corners to make them cheaper to produce.
Thom
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all things are on the rise.....to stay in business you must make a profit....no complaint here.....still a good price for 6 heads....
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Unavoidable but not unexpected. If you can't make a profit you're not in business you're in charity and that doesn't pay the bills. Congratulations on a fine product at a very reasonable price. A tiny increase such as this will not deter me from purchasing more as I need them.
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Sounds more than reasonable to me. Still love those heads.
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That price is more than fair. But fair is in the eye of the beholder. :rolleyes:
Still a great price on great broadheads. :thumbsup:
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A good initial grind alone is worth the price increase. Saves much time and trouble.
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Originally posted by Pete McMiller:
Unavoidable but not unexpected. If you can't make a profit you're not in business you're in charity and that doesn't pay the bills. Congratulations on a fine product at a very reasonable price. A tiny increase such as this will not deter me from purchasing more as I need them.
well said, you have to be able to put food on the table for you family, kinda hard to do that when you are giving stuff away!!!
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Its good to see that you're open with your customers. In not going to lie and say i have bought your products. I've always been leary of the price of some points and have been a customer of zwickey ( just got six new heads today in the mail for extras).
I know you must have come up with lots of ideas on how to cut costs, but i will shoot a couple of ideas.
Could you grind an edge onto the heads before you heat treat them and then hone the edge after heat treating? Or do you just use steel that's already hardened to cut blanks from?
Is the finish on the blades that important? What about just parkerizing the steel and soaking it in mineral oil? The blades of old were either blued or painted and they hold up pretty well with years of use. the parkerizing is just an acid bath to pit the surface to absorb oil. What about having them dipped in sodium nitrate? That creates black chroming. That won't wear off anytime soon. They treat tools, bolts, and gun parts with sodium nitrate.
Packaging won't work with shrink wrapped plastic on paper backing? It would hold the blades in place so they can't move to cut their way out easily. They package knives that way.
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Bill,
It is also "understandable"!!!
I say good for you; I am glad you willing to produce such a quailty USA made product, even if it costs a few dollars more.
Bill is one of the good guys, and this world world would be better off with more men like him.
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I like the fact that you are open with your customers. Good customer service is increasingly rare these days. I have never tried the broadheads but after reading this I belive I am going to give them a try this season.
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I think they should be free because we all love each other.
Killdeer~ grew up in the sixties.
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When are the teflons going out? Or...where do we get the latest batch?
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Gotta love honesty, good for you!
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Suits me. Makes good sense.
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Works for me! Still a darned good deal.
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Not bad for 6 broadheads ........... in comparison.
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Originally posted by Oregon Okie:
When are the teflons going out? Or...where do we get the latest batch?
Every head we have to be ground (about 8000) is Teflon coated. Ron is bringing some to Denton Hill that he is finishing up this week. That will be the first look at the Teflon coated heads.
Bill
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Still sounds fair, I'll be getting a pack or two.
I prefer a quality product, fairly priced.
Good explanation and much appreciated.
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Paying an extra couple of bucks for these heads is well worth it. I was so surprised at the current prices of quality 2 blade broadheads. Many had similar prices - but for 3!
Well made.
Easier than ever to sharpen and keep sharp.
Made in the USA.
3 good reasons to keep buying your outstanding heads.
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More money,but a better broadhead. Works for me ,I will be ordering some Kodiaks in a few weeks.
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Those prices are more than fair for the best broadheads ever made! :thumbsup:
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Its a very reasonable price increase. And most importantly quality improved.
BTW, whats the expected backorder time for the grizzlies? Thanks
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Originally posted by Killdeer:
I think they should be free because we all love each other.
Killdeer~ grew up in the sixties.
Killie, sometimes you just really make my day. :notworthy:
Bill, those are still a deal at that price.
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Whatever :dunno:
At my current rate, I will never need new broadheads again. One shot at deer every 10 years makes broadhead expenses seem petty when considering the cost of everything else like licenses.
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I appreciate your posting! You didnt HAVE to do that but your relationship with customers is obviously worth a lot to you.
Good medicine!
Makes me want to switch from my current heads to these! Talk soon, Dave
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I'm wondering if anyone has these heads still in stock?
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Considering what everything else costs now....forty bucks for SIX broadheads is a bargain. PLUS....they last and last...unless of course you are very lucky!
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I see no problem with that price at all. Teflon is a good improvement. I'm trying to make an adapter/head combo that is around 175 gr., and I've kind of lost track of the ball on availability. Are the 120 gr. LWs out yet?
Patrick
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I just received my 160's that I bought in the St. Jude's auction. I paid quite a bit more than what you're asking now, and I don't think it was too much :D . Ron put a scary edge on them. I can't wait to run them through a critter.
Lippe
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This is still a great price. I'd rather pay the onshore, American made price! Especially when I know you are constantly working to improve your products. Thanks Bill! :thumbsup:
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It's not that BIG a bargin, lol...
But still among the best of the reasonably priced broadheads --- if not the best!
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THANKS for your posting Bill :thumbsup: I prefer a QUALITY broadhead and with the increase your broadheads are still FAIRLY priced :::Sounds like they will be better then ever :archer2:
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Originally posted by PaddyMac:
I see no problem with that price at all. Teflon is a good improvement. I'm trying to make an adapter/head combo that is around 175 gr., and I've kind of lost track of the ball on availability. Are the 120 gr. LWs out yet?
Patrick
Patrick, I do have some 120 left bevel heads. We are leaving monday for Denton Hill.
Lippe, Thanks for bidding on the heads.Ron does some real magic with these heads.
Bill
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Thank you for keeping them going. It is an excellent broadhead at a very fair price. For some reason these fly great for me and I can get them scary sharp.
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Just wondering if they will be available before Sept 15 thats when antelope season starts here. Thanks and still a great price
Brock
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Thanks for the suppport folks. I thought it would be better to explain the situation.It seems I was right this time.
Which heads do you want, Brock? By the end of next week we will have everything except 160's to grind.
Bill 0351
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I guess my feedback wasn't worthy of a response. Cool
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Dang it, Lee. I thought I did respond. Looking back I see that i did not get it to the computer. Sorry about that. Sometimes my pea brain says send before my hands get it typed.Please dont take it personal.
I have tried some of your suggestions. I did rough grind some heads before heat treat.By the time I got them coated and cleaned back up it took just as long. If the heads did not go on the exact same position on the grinder.It has 7 slots for heads. Then they were a mess. It just has not worked out.
The packaging we chose was the most effective and economical at the time.We also have to consider what the product looks like at the sales point.Granted most of us dont give a hoot about the packaging we know what we are looking for in a broadhead.Consider this though, if someone was standing looking at a sea of broadheads on a shelf and is unfamilar with the Grizzly head. He would not even consder Grizzly's if the heads were not presented well on the shelf.
Thanks for the suggestions and again sorry for the over site on my part.
Bill
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Hey, Bill didn't respond to mine, either. :D
I finally got a KME, and took it to the Grizzlies I bought at Baltimore. They even shave MY hair, which is hard to do because it isn't wiry and poppable like guy hair. Mine just limboes out of the way, usually. Not now!
I can't wait to shoot them on my new arrows this weekend.
Killdeer :thumbsup:
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Kathy, I took your post as an application for a marketing postion with Zipper/Grizzly/soon to be in bankruptcy court. If I use your hippie suggestion. :biglaugh:
Ron, told me you tried to pull a fast one on him. He also said you were too slick for him and was successful.
How is your lame leg?
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I am hobbling still, but can outrun Ron. :bigsmyl:
Killdeer :thumbsup:
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Thats bad news for, Ron! He just went back to the shop for second shift so he should be easy to outrun right now. :D
Hopefully that hobble goes away before time to sneak to the woods.
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It better go away right soon, I need to get back to work!
Killdeer
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Makes sense to me Bill. :thumbsup: After all improving a prouduct isn't free. Looking forward to seeing the new ones at Denton Hill.
Bill
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I've got no suggestion just apppreciation. Keep doing what you're doing Bill. Keep making great ideas into great products. And I hope your efforts to contain costs while providing quality products brings you loads of business. Or at least keeps you and your free spirited marketing rep out of bankruptcy court :)
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Heyhey!
I represent that!!
Killdeer :readit:
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The improvements you have made to this broadhead are worth every penny.
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I am wondering why anybody would want or care if their broadheads were PAINTED!!!!
Good grief. I am outa here!
justin
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that price is still a damn sight cheaper than than all the super dooper one piece CNC machined heads out there. alot of them are modeled on the grizzly!
which head was that doc ashby was getting the best results with.......?
thanks for the honesty, we all like that.
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Bill I think it's great that you explained the reasons you raised prices but it really wasn't necessary we all know that the cost have gone up all we care about is a great product,Thank You.
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Originally posted by warrior:
I am wondering why anybody would want or care if their broadheads were PAINTED!!!!
Good grief. I am outa here!
justin
Because they look bad when the paint is all chipped right out of the package...I'm thinking that brand new BHDs (like brand new anything) probably should look brand new?
Ron
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Sounds like a nice upgrade, and a very fair price for a quality head.
Any availability update on the Teflon Coated versions?
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"Because they look bad when the paint is all chipped right out of the package...I'm thinking that brand new BHDs (like brand new anything) probably should look brand new?"
Yeah, let them look new! I can put the hand-ground "racing stripes" on the ferrule at home.
Killdeer the Clumsy
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I think they would look cooler coated with titanium nitride. Then you'd have golden points and the finish is seriously tough. Talk about a lifetime coating. That is what they coat drill bits and Desert Eagles with.
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Originally posted by Gator1:
Sounds like a nice upgrade, and a very fair price for a quality head.
Any availability update on the Teflon Coated versions?
In about a week and a half we should have all the heads except 160's. They will all still need grinding but we will at least have them on hand. If you would like you can preorder to get your heads as soon as they are available.
Lee the gold color would look cool but with several different weights of heads we need to be able to color code them. I dont know about the cost of the titanium nitride but I dont think gold is very tactical.
Bill
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Originally posted by zipper bowss:
Lee the gold color would look cool but with several different weights of heads we need to be able to color code them. I dont know about the cost of the titanium nitride but I dont think gold is very tactical.
Bill [/b][/QUOTE]
I think most of us know what weight we shoot without color-coating. Maybe, if you decide to change in the future, strike the weight into the blade with a stamp (150gr) and so on.
I used to hunt with mechanical broadheads that were gold before I switched to the much more simple two-bladed broadheads that I can just sharpen with a file if I miss a squirrel.
yeah, I have burned plenty of mechanicals taking shots at squirrels. They just annoy me so much that they ASK for being shot. Plus, they make for a tasty lunch between deer hunts :D
And titanium nitride (TiN) is just a powder that you dissolve into acid like other plating material. You could electroplate a thousand broadheads in a few minutes. Here is some info about it. http://www.reade.com/products/32-nitride-compounds-powders/799-titanium-nitride-powder-tin-ti2n-nti-tinite-tinite-tini-azanylidynetitanium-cas-25583-20-4
I tinker around with electroplating guns that I don't like (glocks). Nickel is a good plating material too. It is very hard and bonds to carbon steel.
Nickel has had its problems in the past though because if it's not carbon steel then it's usually bonded to a metal like copper. That doesn't work well for pistols because if someone gets a hold of the wrong solvent while cleaning their gun then it can eat at the copper under the nickel and then allow the nickel to flake off. If it's bonded to carbon steel then it's not an issue. It's a long-lasting metal as well.
Electroplating is super easy. All you really need is a dissolved metal, which you could even suspend in something safe like vinegar if you'd like, a cathode and anode to transfer electricity and electricity.
You place a negative charge to whatever you're wanting plated and then positively charge the suspended metal in the solution. The metal will then be drawn to the negatively charged target and voila you have a new coated item.
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Im Happy to see Grizzly in your hands Bill, There are going to be a lot of happy grizzly shooters out there. :thumbsup:
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Originally posted by sticksnstones:
Thank you for increasing the price instead of cutting corners to make them cheaper to produce.
Thom
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In a related but different subject, what are some quivers that completely cover the Kodiak. I just want a quiver to strap to my pack, then hang it when I get in the stand. I don't want/need a quiver that mounts to my longbow, but I would like the head to be fully engulfed.
I was thinking of the new EFA (the edge) or the Slim Jim, but not sure if they are long enough.
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Thank you for an upfront reason! You are what weneed in this economic depressed time. An honest merchant. Thanks again
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I love that grind. I was nervous about getting a single edge head shaving sharp but it was one of the easiest heads to sharpen I own.
When your doing an upgrade to the head it is easier to accept the upgraded cost.
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PaddyMac,
I am shooting for the same combination of broadhead and adapter to get to 175. The Grizzly 140 gr. and a long, aluminum adapter (36 gr)are within 1 grain of that. I saw the heads (not the 140 - but all the larger ones) at the BBTC in May. They look even better than the old ones - even with the paint problems. The number of different grain sizes should allow you to find a good adapter/broadhead match. I can't wait to get mine and see if they fly as well as my 175 gr. field points. I am betting that they will.