Post by: guspup on October 05, 2012, 08:22:00 PM
This is the first year of this activity, and begins on the 6th day of the new bow season.
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on October 05, 2012, 09:07:00 PM
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Post by: ronp on October 06, 2012, 05:48:00 AM
Post by: Adirondack Bowman on October 06, 2012, 10:14:00 AM
Post by: 1/4 away on October 06, 2012, 11:22:00 AM
Post by: SteveB on October 06, 2012, 12:26:00 PM
Post by: LongStick64 on October 06, 2012, 12:56:00 PM
Post by: woodchucker on October 06, 2012, 01:34:00 PM
We are talking about young hunters... The future of our sport!!!!! AND the future protectors of our hunting rights!!!
My son is starting to hunt for the 1st time this year. He has his Jr. Archery license, and also his small game license. If he wants to deer hunt, we go bow hunting. If he wants to gun hunt, then we will grab the shotguns and go squirrel hunting!!! (or turkeys, pheasants, rabbits, whatever...) The point is to make it ENJOYABLE FOR HIM!!!!! Then, hopefully he will stick with it!!!
Longstick, Remember... Not EVERYONE in NY bowhunts!!! The seasons are designed to be compatable for everyone. We got an extra couple weeks this year. That however, does not mean that the woods are only for us bowhunters!!!!! Small game season, and fall Turkey season, has always started Oct.1st... Now that bow season started, they are suppossed to stay out of the woods??? They scheduled the youth hunt for Columbus day weekend. Would you have rather they scheduled it for the weekend before Thanksgiving??? During the peak of the Rut?????
You worry about deer becoming "nocturnal" because of a few gunshots??? You really shouldn't worry... I hav e gun and bow hunted all properties that I have hunted for almost 40 years. Trust me when I say, a few gunshots WILL NOT make the deer herd nocturnal...
What WILL... Is the mass herd of mostly "greenhorn" hunters, invading the woods, making noise, walking through bedding areas, putting on drives, shooting more times than they have to, etc. You WILL NOT, see this kind of mass confussion, on a youth hunt weekend!!! Hopefully, a few of the local youngsters will get out and get Lucky!!!
As for you... Why don't you pack you hunting gear, and get out there and see for yourself. I'm sure you'll be suprized how quiet it really is!!!
Post by: SteveB on October 06, 2012, 02:35:00 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 06, 2012, 02:43:00 PM
Post by: LongStick64 on October 06, 2012, 04:39:00 PM
Post by: Red Beastmaster on October 06, 2012, 04:52:00 PM
I've never understood why the two age groups with the worst judgement are allowed to hunt deer with rifles during the third week of October? I typically boycott that week just to stay alive.
Post by: LongStick64 on October 06, 2012, 05:07:00 PM
As far as letting kids hunt during the peak rut, why not give them the best chance they can get then ? or are we excluding kids from a great experience because it interferes with us, isn't that your argument.
Post by: fmscan on October 06, 2012, 07:12:00 PM
Post by: ronp on October 06, 2012, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: woodchucker on October 06, 2012, 07:53:00 PM
All 1st deer are VERY special!!!!! No matter if taken with bow, or gun!!! You state that you "feel sorry" for the kid who kills a deer during a SPECIAL Youth Hunt????? What makes that kids 1st deer any less "special" than yours???
If that is honestly the way that you feel... Then I feel VERY sorry for you!!! Obviously you're not the mentoring type. Kinda hard for a kid to live up to your expectations I guess...
I'll just take my son out hunting, and teach him everything I can. I'm sure he"ll turn out just fine!!!
Post by: woodchucker on October 06, 2012, 07:58:00 PM
Post by: woodchucker on October 06, 2012, 08:17:00 PM
The date was picked to coincide with a 3 day weekend,this is true. It was also picked to be early in the season when deer are consentrating on food. The whole reasoning behind the youth hunts, is to make them as easy to partisipate in, and as successful as possible!!!!! FOR THE KIDS!!!
This year we were fortunate enough to get an extra 2 weeks to hunt. Unfortunatly the cries of It's MINE!!! You can't do THAT!!!!! Will drownd out any gunshots the few successful young hunters may take.
Post by: ChristopherO on October 06, 2012, 08:40:00 PM
With all my children now grown this year I get blessed in complying with my neice's request to take her hunting. She is so excited about getting to hunt for the first time. I am firmly convinced these "special" youth seasons were the best ideas state game departments have come up with.
Post by: LongStick64 on October 06, 2012, 10:02:00 PM
Again the issue is not about getting kids to hunt where we differ in opinion, it's WHEN. Why do it during bow season, Why not during gun season, or better yet have a 2 day bowhunt for kids and a 2 day gun hunt for deer during their respective seasons.
No one is being selfish, it's about timing.
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on October 06, 2012, 10:30:00 PM
There have been a lot of good points made here.
In Wisconsin, they had a doe only season in the middle of October. Deer would go nocturnal but once the rut kicked in and it got cold, it was business as usual. I find it hard to believe a couple kids toting guns will ruin the season. maybe some people are more concerned "their buck" will get killed by someone else :dunno:
In all fairness we have had 2 weeks already!
Chuck, I hope you and Tyler have a great hunt with whatever weapon you chose!
I like the thought of kids hunting at camps. those are some of my fondest memories but camp was also about drinking and farting. dont get me wrong, I miss camp and will go back but probably not to hunt. I dont like the idea of being in the woods with some of those guys.
I think its important for the mentor to NOT be shooting also. In many camps everyone opens fire and the gun to go off last before the deer falls is "the winner". the one on one approach theoretically helps teach kids proper safety and responsibility, without the competition of groups situations.
I think if bowhunters were smart they would use this to their advantage as kids will not sit as long. put in an all day sit on escape routes. If there are that many people in the woods, you will fill your tag. I have seen hundreds of deer on opening mornings that have walked right under me after being pushed.
I see nothing wrong with having the early youth hunt. as for the specifics.... Ron, sorry about your does.
Post by: woodchucker on October 06, 2012, 11:35:00 PM
It is SELFISH!!! and it is NOT about TIMING!!!
What it is... is that a FEW bowhunters are afraid, That for a FEW days, That a FEW kids with guns, are going to ruin there hunting!!!!!
It is about a few kids getting a chance to get out for a special hunt, BEFORE the usual opening day mess, that most here complain about.
Just alittle background on me... I have been bowhunting since 1976. I killed my 1st deer on the 1st sat of the 1976 bow season, and my 2nd deer on the 1st sat of the 1977 bow season, on my Grandfathers farm in Morrisville,N.Y. (Madison Co.) They were both does. Shooting does was illegal on the north side of Rt. 20, where my Grandfather's farm was. My Dad hunted 35 years before he killed his 1st deer. (a 210# 6 pointer) When I started bowhunting, I was the only bowhunter for miles!!! I did however have to contend with smallgame hunters every day... Trust me, deer do not like to be kicked out of a standing corn field by pheasant hunters with dogs!!!!! However, they took it in stride and headed for the nearest woodlot, untill the hunters were gone..... Then they moved right back in!!!
I killed my first few deer with an old Bear Alaskan recurve and wood arrows with Bear razorheads. I shot compounds in the late 1980's then back to "traditional" in the 1990's.
Over the years, I have encountered more bowhunters, and fewer small game hunters. The biggest thing that I have seen disturb deer is not gunfire... but pressure from people who walk through the woods disturbing their feeding/beding routine.
I gun hunt at times, however more and more, I bowhunt during gun season. This year Tyler is 13. The law states that he can bowhunt for deer, during both the bow and regular gun season. (providing that I also bowhunt, when accompanying him) Opening day of gun season this year, we will BOTH be carrying our Bear recurves!!!
and the gun hunters won't bother us a bit!!! :archer: :archer:
Post by: wetfeathers on October 06, 2012, 11:50:00 PM
Post by: BeNoIt on October 07, 2012, 12:38:00 AM
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Originally posted by woodchucker:That is the part that makes no sense to me. They can hunt already during the regular season with the same supervision. Sure maybe this gives them a little better chance due to it not being "in" the gun season but if that is the only motivation then have it the weekend prior to gun season rather than messing with the bowhunting season. That would work even in those pressured areas.
Actualy Ron, The legal age has been dropped to 14. These kids will be able to hunt on opening day,(and the rest of the season) it just gives them an early start.
Just my thoughts.
Post by: GRINCH on October 07, 2012, 12:48:00 AM
Post by: Bob Macioch on October 07, 2012, 08:35:00 AM
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on October 07, 2012, 11:21:00 AM
Times have changed.
I don't agree or disagree with the early gun season but as of 11 am today, I heard ONE distant shot. I find it hard to figure that there all that many kids in the woods anyhow.
How many Deer rifles have you heard this weekend? I dont think this early youth hunt will make a lick of difference in MOST people's hunting. Sure, there's always an exception but I think there's more important things to worry about like What's for lunch :dunno:
Post by: adkarcher on October 07, 2012, 11:33:00 AM
Thankfully I have a father that did exactly what you stated, when I went, I got first shot each and every time or I got the best watch, starting with rabbits in front of our beagles. 30+ years later I am still hunting. When I was legal to hunt, I skipped the first day of school unless we were in the sectionals for football (did not want to miss practice) and still managed to graduate 3rd in my class. When I started turkey hunting in my early 20's, the guy that took me gave me first crack and showed me the ropes. Did not have an early 20 something season for him to do it either....he did it on his own, without the DEC telling him to. Need a few more people like that guy and my father.
Post by: ronp on October 07, 2012, 11:34:00 AM
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Post by: L. Harris on October 07, 2012, 12:06:00 PM
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on October 07, 2012, 12:18:00 PM
I could tell with the way you worked with your kids that maybe your ole man rubbed off on you.
My father was the same way with me. you just don't see that as much these days which is sad. I applaud all the fathers, uncles, grandpa's and friends that take kids afield and teach them how to be an ethical and safe hunter.
Post by: Bob Macioch on October 07, 2012, 12:44:00 PM
They said it would be a legal nightmare.
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Yes Charlie things definetly have changed.IMO not for the better.
Post by: sawtoothscream on October 07, 2012, 01:17:00 PM
Post by: adkarcher on October 07, 2012, 01:36:00 PM
They said it would be a legal nightmare.
When I proposed that as the president of NYB, I was told they could not make 600,000 gun hunters unhappy.....
Post by: adkarcher on October 07, 2012, 01:47:00 PM
Since the move to NC (boys and wife coming in Nov.), one of the first questions from the boys --- Dad, did you get a deer camp yet?
Was here less than 2 weeks and that is what they were worried about.
Post by: Bob Macioch on October 07, 2012, 01:49:00 PM
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Originally posted by adkarcher:.
I asked the DEC why dont they just make the youth hunt Sat and Sun and go back to the traditional Monday opener?
They said it would be a legal nightmare.
When I proposed that as the president of NYB, I was told they could not make 600,000 gun hunters unhappy.....
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I'd rather that answer than the one I got.LOL.Just goes to show they cater to gun hunters.Always have and always will.Money is the only thing that matters to the state.
Post by: ronp on October 07, 2012, 02:01:00 PM
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Originally posted by Cyclic-Rivers:X2!!!
Martin, your father is a GREAT man, we could use a few more like him. If we did, desk workers in albany wouldn't think of ways to give kids an edge.
I could tell with the way you worked with your kids that maybe your ole man rubbed off on you.
My father was the same way with me. you just don't see that as much these days which is sad. I applaud all the fathers, uncles, grandpa's and friends that take kids afield and teach them how to be an ethical and safe hunter.
I was thinking about your dad this morning. He told me that I pass thru his hometown about every week-end in the fall when going up to a friend's camp in Benseon and he invited me for a cup of coffee. I might just take him up on the offer.
Post by: fmscan on October 07, 2012, 05:52:00 PM
Post by: woodchucker on October 07, 2012, 06:11:00 PM
That's what makes this place so GREAT!!!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: Stone Knife on October 07, 2012, 07:35:00 PM
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on October 07, 2012, 08:16:00 PM