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Title: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: KSdan on November 28, 2012, 09:29:00 PM
OK. HUGE lesson this year that I need to resolve.

52 years old and spent most of my lifetime falls/winters hanging out in the woods (Yup- remember my first trips with dad and grandpa at 4 yrs old!)

Learned A LOT this year about foot perspiration.

First, I have always struggled with keeping my size 15 feet warm.  Best boots I have had for cold were LaCrosse Rubber insulated pack boots.  Pretty good- BUT. . .

Wore some newer Lacrosse boots this year in that early-just-shy-of-freezing fall weather.  I was amazed that a simple 400 yd walk in- on stand for a few hours- then 400 out would absolutely SOAK the liners.  Like- SOAKING wet!  

This got me thinking of how many years I have wore rubber boots and even wool liners with socks all day! Though I put my boots on a dryer most nights, just the walk in and my feet must have been wet ALL DAY! Certainly the wool worked well over the years, but still wet.  No wonder I get such cold feet- especially after an all day sit.

So- the rest of fall and winter I am on a new mission to resolve this dilemma.  Any input would be great. . .

My plan:  1) Spray antiperspirant on feet 2) Change socks out after I get to the stand.  3) Going to make my own boot blankets for on stand- then I will wear lighter boots with a change of socks.

Thoughts???
Thanks
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Rob W. on November 28, 2012, 09:48:00 PM
Just a liner type sock to the stand might help.

I wear a pair of Muck wetlands all year round. They are a little big in summer/ early fall but I can get 2 pair of wool socks in them when needed.

If it is REAL cold I put the chemical hand warmers under my toes in between sock layers.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Greg Clark on November 28, 2012, 09:52:00 PM
I do the same as Rob W.  The Muck Wetland is a very versatile boot.  I wear it during warm weather pig chasing in GA and can also wear the same boot when I hunt IL in November by throwing a hand warmer in the toe of the boot.  I wear a liner sock with wool over that most of the year with the boots.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: KSdan on November 28, 2012, 09:56:00 PM
I have similar boots too.  All these years my feet were damp all day but did not realize it.  BTW- most guys I know don't wash out there rubber boots! Ever wash yours?  Try some hot soapy water and watch the muddy/sweat/skin cells pour out!     :scared:

Also- not sure 2 wool socks and boots like the mucks would work for me on a 12 hour sit in 20-40 degrees.  I get cold even in packs.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: eflanders on November 28, 2012, 09:59:00 PM
The anti-perspirant helped my son a lot.  He then wears a thin nylon liner sock with a thick 85% wool sock over the liner.  Rubber boots are the worse thing for feet that perspire.  Leather boots breathe much better.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Onions on November 28, 2012, 10:16:00 PM
Been struggling with cold feet for many years myself. In the past I would wear "pack" style boots with heavy socks in cold weather. My feet still got cold. I think it was from the sweat/moisture build up in my hikes into the stand.
Two years ago, I decided to try thin socks (i like the cabelas duramax lightweight or 200gr Woolpower) with 400gram thinsulate boots, and Artic Shield boot covers. WOW! Much better! My feet nolonger over heat when hiking into my stands. Plus, my hiking boots are more comfortable then hiking with pack boots.
In really cold weather (15 degrees and down) I will put a chemical heat pack inside the boot cover. My feet now are toasty!!

chris <><
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: SELFBOW19953 on November 28, 2012, 10:24:00 PM
I use the polypropolene sock liners under wool and maybe fleece.  I've tried the foot warmers, they get wet and become a lump under my toes!!
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
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Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: The Night Stalker on November 28, 2012, 10:30:00 PM
I just use a regular pair of gold toe socks and bunny boots. Feet never get cold. It has not been cold enough for the bunny boots this year, Still wearing my regular lacrosse. It has to get down under 20 degrees before I break out the bunny boots.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: LC on November 28, 2012, 10:47:00 PM
I FEEL your pain. Everyone is different in the ammount of cold they can indure. With that said when my feet get cold Im done. I've tried all the liner socks, wool sock, pac boot etc. My best and only recourse is a chemical sticky heaters on toe and then once on stand boot blankets! I've not froze out from cold feet since using them but it does reduce the size of your tree stand if thats what you are using. They are bulkly but the better than the alternative
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: stykbow67 on November 28, 2012, 11:00:00 PM
I've never tried boot blankets myself but I definitely think your on the right track with the antiperspirant and sock change out plan, it made a huge difference for me. keep us posted on your results!

Steve
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Jake LaBauve on November 28, 2012, 11:43:00 PM
If you are going to make your own boot blankets you could just over make them with extra insulation and take your boots off when you get to stand and put the blankets on with a fresh pair of socks.  Alternatively you could hike in with a light hiking boot/running shoe if not too wet and put the heavy boys on at the stand with fresh socks
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Mark Baker on November 29, 2012, 12:52:00 AM
Polypro sock liners with heavy wool over them.  Also, I use the anti-perspirant as well....and this year I tried the toe warmers placed on top of my toes over the socks.  Just enough heat to make a diff, I think.  

I use Muck boots mostly (a size big to accomodat the extra sock), and when really cold, you can't beat the mickey mouse boots.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Rick Richard on November 29, 2012, 07:21:00 AM
I hunt the midwest and late season it can be very cold.  I use the anti-persperant and one layer of wool socks with my Lacrosse rubber boots that are about a size too large.  Feet can get a little cold, but never intolerable.  The anti-persperant and loose boots are the key.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Tree Rat on November 29, 2012, 07:23:00 AM
My feet were frost bitten a couple times as a kid (Chuck Taylors don't keep your feet warm...)so I have dealt with cold feet all my life.

I wear 1000 gram rubber boots (Bass pro) and two pairs of 88% or higher wool socks. The thing that has helped me the most is making sure my boots have room to breathe. Pack all that in too tight and you will get cold.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Tajue17 on November 29, 2012, 07:33:00 AM
when its really bad do what we do and tape a handwarmer right on the outside of the boot where your toes are,, works in a pinch and your toes will love you, not sure about sweat though.  

also they make boots the dog sled and snowmobile folks use called BAFFINs, mine are rated to 100 below and for stand hunting in one spot in 2ft of snow for hours with the coldest I used them was 14 below and they are like having your feet in two warm pillows where there is not a hint of a chill anywhere on your feet yet my feet don't sweat..  BUT for walking or hiking they almost feel like they are falling off the heel of your feet because of the insulation theres almost no tight on your foot feeling but you can get in and out to your stands and climb into portables with no problems.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Flingblade on November 29, 2012, 07:40:00 AM
I'm going to try the new remote controlled heated insoles made by thermacell in my boots.  They are pricey at $130 but they look promising.  I've not been too naughty so I hope santa is generous this year.  They are new so I'm hoping to see some reviews on them soon.
Oops, just saw the other thread on them and not good reviews.  Tradgang just saved me some money.  Guess I'll keep trudging around in my mickeys.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: YORNOC on November 29, 2012, 07:40:00 AM
You are right about changing your socks. I keep a big ziplock bag and two extra pairs of wool socks, a thin merino liner and a heavy wool outer sock. I put the wet socks in the bag and seal it, put it in my pack.
Then stick a toe warmer to the top and bottom of my socked toes and slip into my boots.
Make sure your boots are not tight, that will crush you pretty quick.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Hopewell Tom on November 29, 2012, 08:13:00 AM
Poly liners, wool sox and Schnees insulated RBLT's for me. Felt liners with insulation in the rubber bottom. My go to for the cold, but after about 3-4 hours on stand... feet getting cold.
The boot blanket or toe warmers are my next experiment.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: gringol on November 29, 2012, 08:15:00 AM
The anti-perpspirent sprays can give some people an allergic reaction when used on the feet, so watch out for that.  If your feet/ankles get super itchy after a long day in the boots, you might want to stop using that stuff.

I've noticed that too much sock can make your feet as cold as too little.  Make sure your toes have plenty of room to wiggle or you'll feel the chill real quick no matter how much insolation your feet have.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: hunt it on November 29, 2012, 09:05:00 AM
Feet sweat that is fact you cannot change. Liners will wick wet away but not solve issue. In warm climates it is not anyway near the issue as in sub zero temps. Rubber boots do not allow moisture to escape period.

Chemical warmers etc. all work great but cause feet to sweat more as temp increases. As long as artificial heat outlasts your hunt little issue again. If it runs out you'll find fast your feet will get much colder and faster.

Get yourself a pair of the cabelas Iditarod pack boots or one of the others that are similar rated for -150 or so. They must have removable liner. Then walk to stand in liter boot and change to pack boot before sitting. This is what I do when really cold as I don't like walking far in those big boots. The alternative is buy extra liners which are very lite and switch liners out when get to stand.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: NoCams on November 29, 2012, 09:06:00 AM
My brother battled cold feet until several years ago when the Muck boots became popular. He has the Woody Max versions and made sure they were big enough with 1 pair of heavy wool socks to have wiggle room..... PRESTO, no more cold feet.

In the past he tried all the tricks mentioned above like anti perspirant, changing to dry socks, etc, etc and nothing worked for him. We hunted several mornings last few years when the temps were 5-10 degrees and we were fine for 3-4hrs. My son added a chemical handwarmer on top of his toes but he is a little more cold natured than I am. JMHO
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: mtnwalker on November 29, 2012, 09:10:00 AM
sock liner with a smartwool sock. still have to change out wool socks if feet get cold.  Have never tried rubber hunting boots, always wore vasque hiking boots, but this season been hunting with a pair of danners.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Mint on November 29, 2012, 09:15:00 AM
I noticed the same thing this year with my lacrosse boots. I use the toe heater chemical warmers if needed so my feet don't get cold. what is worrying me is that the scent must be coming out of the top of the rubber boots as i walk in so is this defeating the rubber boots purpose. I'm thinking about getting the ll bean boot hoping that i won't sweat so much and stay scent free. If anybody can recommend a good scent free boot that is warm please let me know.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Tajue17 on November 29, 2012, 09:22:00 AM
Mint, even though I still have Lacross and still use them behind the house because of that problem you mentioned above is why I got the Muck Wetlands,, the tops of those boots are tight against your leg like an elastic so no scent poofs out as you walk (or maybe not nearly as much as the lacross)  also I keep my sheathed handknife in one boot which holds it right there fine and the other boot I keep my small flashlight,, point is that the muck boots tight top serves 2 purposes,,, well actually 3 purposes now that I think of it where you can also roll down the tops of the muck wetlands like a firemans boot to reveal the inside is all Blaze orange and in a pinch you can also show some Blaze for safety when you think someone with an itchy trigger finger is nearby.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Cory Mattson on November 29, 2012, 09:32:00 AM
Ksdan - for long entry - cold mornings - say a mile to mile and a half walk when it is in the 20s at pink light I wear a light hiker w cotton sox and change a few hundred yards from stand on the way in to fresh dry wool sox dry liners w pacs or even no liner and an 18 inch rubber la crosse. With dry boots and sox liners whatever I stand a decent chance of staying warm - and I do use heat tabs too which so far has been guaranteed warm. A larger heat pad on my kidney area and one over my heart helps me wear one less layer up top so I shoot better and this helps my feet too.

sorry if someone else already said this didnt read the whole thread
cory<><
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Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Talondale on November 29, 2012, 09:37:00 AM
I wear cotton socks on the way in and change them out on the stand to liners and wool socks.  I wear the cotton because they DON'T wick the moisture into the boot.  That way when I take my socks off most of the moisture is not left in the boot.  I also will dry my feet and leave them out of the boot for a while to cool down before putting them back in the boot.  Also, don't tighten your boots on the stand.  Leave them fairly loose so that there's more trapped air in them to act as insulation.  If it gets too cold the boot blankets help a lot.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: rraming on November 29, 2012, 09:38:00 AM
According to the "outdoor" experts sock liners are no good now and not to be used, one pair of Merino wool socks and that is it. Apparently the liners to not wick away moisture as we all thought and were making our feet cold. We are all aware about the benefits of wool and SmartWool is amoung the best (that is the new word on the street).
Never tried spraying my feet but if they sweat excessively, why not.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: NBK on November 29, 2012, 09:56:00 AM
Keep your core warm and the rest of your body will take care of itself.  I wear Muck boots with one pair of Smartwool socks from early to late season.  No issues unless it's really cold, but then I'm in my Heater Body Suit and  no longer an issue.  If you don't want to go the HBS route, the insulated boot covers over your Muck boots and you're good to go.  My feet are damp all day in the boots but as long as I can keep my body warm (i.e. you're not shivering) I'm O.K.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: NoCams on November 29, 2012, 09:59:00 AM
rraming,
That is good info and we stopped wearing the liners years ago when we found a great local outlet for 71% merino wool socks for $2 a pair !!! The liners made my feet feel, "clammy and drafty ". Now we just wear these $2 wool socks that are not really ultra thick and we are toasty in either Muck Woody Max or my Lacrosse Alpha Lites in 7mm thickness. When it gets below 20 we switch to Cabelas ultra thick mid calf wool socks that really come up almost to your knee and are 90% wool.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: on November 29, 2012, 10:06:00 AM
There is a simple fix for this-- get yourself one of the "crystal" deodorants, may have to go to a health food store. Apply to your feet-- they won't sweat for a week, and it is odorless! Screaming Eagle used to sell this stuff as the "miracle" rock deodorant, and that was 30 years ago.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: high desert rambler on November 29, 2012, 10:47:00 AM
indigenous peoples solved this problem LONG before modern technology came along to screw up everybody's feet and keep them on a treadmill of shopping for answers.  the solution is breathable mukluks.  people think the solution to warm, dry feet is to build more and more layers against the cold, heavier boots, rubber, etc. but all that does is to trap the water and if you walk in any boots long enough, eventually the perspiration builds up and you get cold feet.

i'm one of them there skinny, lanky fellers with a very high metabolism - if i don't have food in my belly, i get cold.  my feet and hands are almost ALWAYS cold if it isn't really warm out.  and my feet seem to be sweating ALL THE TIME.  i have tried countless numbers of boots trying to keep my feet warm.  and btw, i live remote, at the end of a long dirt road at 8500 feet in the mountains, i work from home, so i'm rambling in the wilderness EVERY DAY, all four seasons - point being, I HAD TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WORKS.  and i did...

"empire canvas works" (at the URL of the same name) is a little cottage industry company run by a couple up in wisconsin, i think,  that makes clothing from natural fibers designed for really cold weather...i bought some of their "true north boots" about ten years ago... these are sort of a modern version of mukluks, made from bison leather, cotton canvas and wool inserts - my feet are TOASTY in these things with just a pair of lightweight wool socks in SUB-ZERO weather.  the key is the loft of the wool and the fact that it wicks away your perspiration and allows it to evaporate through the cotton outer layer.  my feet are NEVER wet in these things and ALWAYS warm.  

(i have no vested interest in this company - i'm just a HUGE fan of their stuff cuz it's the kind of handmade "good honest folks" quality  i really appreciate - stuff built to last a lifetime.)

the DRAWBACK, however, is that if there's snow on the ground,  the weather has to be well under freezing - otherwise the snow is gonna' melt and soak through the cotton and leather which will obviously result in very cold, wet feet... and they ain't cheap - but that's how it goes when your clothes isn't made by third world slave labor and junk plasticky materials...

i know there are other companies making mukluk style stuff as well, but these are what i've found to work best for me... natural materials and breathability are the key... which pretty much go hand-in-hand because goretex-shmoretex, no one has come up with a "high-tech" fabric that beats the naturals on an all-around basis.  not in  my experience, anyway...

oh - the other "drawback" is that if you've messed your feet up with modern corporate-designed footwear and all the arch support and high-tech nonsense they build into shoes these days to make up for the problems caused by straying away from simplicity, you may need some time to adjust to having flat soles and no ankle support - and after that adjustment period, you'll realize you now have the most comfortable footwear you have ever owned and wish you could wear these all the time...
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Blackstick on November 29, 2012, 11:22:00 AM
Along time ago in my youth, when I was poor, I learned about a vapor barrier liner. The theory is that once the humidly level reaches a certain point you no longer sweat. This turned into being no more than bread sacks under my socks. I remember it working for me.

Nowadays, I wear Mickey Mouse boots. I think they may work on the same principle. I do know that they will keep your feet warm even when wet.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: KSdan on November 29, 2012, 11:27:00 AM
LOTS of great input.  Thanks too everyone. . .  also, interesting how this seems a common issue for many.

Mukluks and such have always been intriguing to me- but they just won't work in the midwest/upper-midwest where there is so much water, briars/thorny stuff, freezing at daybreak, 50 by noon, etc etc.  Perhaps the alternative is some type of boot blanket that is basically a mukluk for on stand. . .  probably the direction I am heading.  Designing my own!  

Dan
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Mojostick on November 29, 2012, 11:29:00 AM
Your problem is solved...

This anti-pers made for feet was available only in RX a few years back...
 http://shop.dsehealth.com/categories/Certain-Dri-Feet/

The warmest boots for sitting...
 http://www.cabelas.com/mens-insulated-hunting-boots-cabelas-predator-extreme-pac-boots-150-brown-mossy-oak-break-infinity.shtml?WT.tsrc=CSE&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=03 223101&rid=40&mr:trackingCode=0230FFB0-5EA4-E011-9A77-001B21631C34&mr:referralID=NA&mr:adType=pla&mr:ad=21046044551&mr:keyword=&mr:match=&mr:filter=43600703111 (http://www.cabelas.com/mens-insulated-hunting-boots-cabelas-predator-extreme-pac-boots-150-brown-mossy-oak-break-infinity.shtml?WT.tsrc=CSE&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=03223101&rid=40&mr:trackingCode=0230FFB0-5EA4-E011-9A77-001B21631C34&mr:referralID=NA&mr:adType=pla&mr:ad=21046044551&mr:keyword=&mr:match=&mr:filter=43600703111)
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Bladepeek on November 29, 2012, 11:54:00 AM
If I'm going to be sitting in really cold weather, I have a set of insulated overboots. Is that what people are talking about with "boot blankets"? These things are HUGE, but I wear leather boots with a medium thickness wool sock when walking to/from the stand. Once there, I slip these things on and it's like a sleeping bag on each foot. Once, while hunting in Germany, I saw another hunter several hundred yards away watching me continuously with his binocs. I was pretty sure he recognized me with the first look and wondered why he kept looking at me. We met up for a coffee on the forest trail after climbing down and he kept looking at my feet. He finally said "OK, now you look normal". I knew nobody had feet THAT big". I also have what the Germans call an Ansitzsack. It's a heavy loden bib/sleeping bag that is zippered down the side and across the bottom. The back comes up over the back of your shoulders and it traps all the heat from your feet to your chest. I've sat out all night in near zero weather pig hunting and fallen asleep it was so nice and warm.

There's also an old saying, "If your feet are cold, put on a hat". We loose most of our body heat from our head and I used to hate hats, but now have a wool knit hat with a Goretex liner that I can't wear when walking, but man does it keep the heat in when sitting.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Pete McMiller on November 29, 2012, 11:58:00 AM
Personally I wear Cabelas polypro undersocks with wool over that.  I have used antipersperant on my feet with good results.  A buddy swears by putting his bare foot inside a bread bag before he puts his socks on.  His feet still get wet but the insulation in the boot doesn't so it still keeps his feet warm.  Makes sense though I have never tried it.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: John Scifres on November 29, 2012, 12:51:00 PM
Honestly, that sounds like excessive perspiration.  There are certain medical conditions that contribute to this.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: ChuckC on November 29, 2012, 01:12:00 PM
Yep, sometimes we need to go in cold and change at the tree.  Wear some light weight rubber totes over wool socks on the way in and change after a few minutes of cooling down, just like many of us do with upper bosy garments.

ChuckC
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: KSdan on November 29, 2012, 01:35:00 PM
John S- You could have a point- but I am skeptical on that count. . .  

. .  never have had a perspiration issue.  Athlete, healthy, don't sweat excessive and not one who picks up a lot of "stink." None of my regular shoes, or even athletic are unduly gross with sweat.  Wearing wool, rubber boots, pac boots for decades and never recognized they were unduly wet.  But, again 52 years old, tons of MILES in boots and over 100 hours on stand just this fall- and these thinsulate/nylon liners really woke me up the first time just how damp my feet can get. I was really surprised. I have heard for years how much moisture your feet perspire, but I had never considered how damp my feet really were.  

Thanks for the thoughts
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Tom Leemans on November 29, 2012, 01:36:00 PM
I wear 1 pair of of the thick omni-wool (I think that's the name) socks that are mostly merino wool. My boots are some kind of those ballistic nylon insulated Cabelas brand that I received as a Christmas gift one year. They are just big enough that I can step and slide right into them but they don't slip off. So far no issues with cold feet but I doubt I would hike the mountains for elk in them. They just aren't flexible enough. I'd definitely go leather and just spray them with some sort of cover up. I've been thinking about the tall Cabelas socks too, but have no need yet. I concentrate on really keeping my core warm. Merino wool long johns and insulated bibs and my wool longhunter shirt from LaClair's. My only issue is with cold hands. I have a hand muff for that, but I'm going to add a hoody type pouch pocket to the front of my longhunter shirt. I also have unshorn sheep skin to make a set of wooly boogers ala Paul Brunner.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Greg Skinner on November 29, 2012, 01:41:00 PM
High desert rambler, thanks for that link. I have looked at other mukluk type of boots but all of them seem to be built with some sort of arch support system to "modernize" them and make them fit better.  I have to agree with you about the flat foot bed, no heel rise and minimum ankle support being much better and more comfortable once your feet are accustomed to it.  I like moccasins for all-around wear for that reason, but they do fall short when the weather is wet, cold etc.

It is interesting how modern, high-tech efforts are made to improve on nature and often-times do not get the job done.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Burnsie on November 29, 2012, 02:16:00 PM
I guess I'm lucky, have never had a big issue with cold feet.  Grew up in NW Wisconsin, would sit out ice fishing on a lake all day in sub-zero temps and be OK.  Usually more of an issue with my hands.  I always wore a good ol' pair of Sorrel pack boots with the thickest wool/felt liner they had. The key is not to overload with several layers of sox and the boot should be a little loose fitting.  Tightly wrapped confined feet are not the answer.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: calgarychef on November 29, 2012, 02:27:00 PM
Desert rambler, thanks for the link....some nice gear.   I've been really toying with making some native styled blanket moccasins as I'm sure they will cure my cold feet.  I've cured my cold hands with wool felt lined rabbit fur mitts that I make   (Cost about 5 bucks a pair) and my fingers NEVER get cold in even the most severe weather. I wear a fur hat to keep my head warm and it never gets cold now either.  Funny, how the old standby of leather and fur can keep me warm.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: high desert rambler on November 29, 2012, 03:17:00 PM
Greg - and anyone else who's interested in the scoop on footwear, here's a GREAT article:

You Walk Wrong
It took 4 million years of evolution to perfect the human foot. But we’re wrecking it with every step we take.

  http://nymag.com/health/features/46213/  

3-seasons i wear converse chuck taylors now... nuthin to 'em but a flat sole and some canvas...40 years ago that's all we EVER wore cuz that's all there was... and it worked...as i sit and gaze at the pile of leather i bought to make my own moccasins and have yet to get around to...

do that for a while and when ya go back to "normal" shoes & boots you realize just how terribly uncomfortable they really are... FREE YOUR FEET AND LET 'EM DO WHAT THEY'RE DESIGNED TO DO!!!

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Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Knawbone on November 29, 2012, 06:58:00 PM
I have a pair of military insulated rubber boots that I wear on stand. I can wear them ice fishing and never have a cold foot. I wear a pair of warm boots to my stand and then change to the military boots once on stand. Just be sure you keep them scent free inside and out.Dry,dry,dry if your feet sweat your going to get cold.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Dave Bowers on November 29, 2012, 08:02:00 PM
I might be onto something? I used to suffer from cold feet really bad; so bad that I would have to stop hunting.
But 3 years ago I started (on my off time)walk around and do everything barefooted. At first I was doing because I wanted to toughin my feet up for huntin barefooted. But after the first season I noticed my feet were much warmer during the colder months.
So the past two more seasons I have extended my barefootery well past fall and into winter. I know am an idiot..but i tell you it works in my opinion because my feet rarely get so cold that I have to get out of the stand.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: high desert rambler on November 29, 2012, 08:19:00 PM
Dave:  read that article i posted the link to on page 3 of this thread... you're onto something alright, brutha! (i think the 2nd or 3rd page or so gets into the barefoot stuff...
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: njloco on November 29, 2012, 09:02:00 PM
O.K., here is my spin on this post. Alpaca sox, or lambs wool ( both none itchy type ), I wear Mickey Mouse boots, with a raised sole in them, this give the sweat some place to go and keeps it off my feet, over the sox I wear a super wicking sox. If I am stand hunting or still hunting, when I get to where I'm going to hunt, I take the boot off for a period of time ( you'll know how long to keep them off ) most of the sweat evaporates out during this period, i then just put them back on.

If you accidentally step into water and it goes over the top of the boot and gets inside, these boots will warm the water up !

Good luck.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: recurvepoppop on November 29, 2012, 11:39:00 PM
I learned to keep the insides of my mucks pacs etc dry at the end of the day by using crumpled up news paper in my boots. Paper absorbs moisture from the day of hunting. The next time out you'll have dry boot's inside. Helps keeping your toosies warm!
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: Greg Skinner on November 30, 2012, 01:50:00 PM
High Desert, that is a good article about the barefoot scenario and reaffirms what I have come to realize over the last several years of barefoot/minimalist running and daily footwear.  When the weather is decent I like to wear huarache sandals (as close to barefoot as I can get and still have something between my foot and pokey ground).

  Unfortunately, here in this part of Idaho the winter is not consistently cold enough for the mukluk type of boot you are recommending - too much muddy, slushy, rainy weather.  That makes keeping one's feet dry problematical.  Anything that is waterproof makes them sweat from the inside, non-waterproof eventually soaks in from the outside (Goretex sucks on both accounts, from my experience).

I can't say that I have found the ideal package, but my Arrow moccasins with heavy wool socks and rubber overshoes seems to work best for most circumstances.  I don't sit in tree-stands or blinds, but if I did I would probably opt for hiking in my moccasin-overshoe combination and when I got to my destination remove the overshoes and slip into a heater body suit of some sort.

The rubber bottom/leather top (Beans or Schnees) eiher insulated or non are not a bad compromise, but they are not made without a heel or some sort of contoured footbed, and as that article pointed out, wearing something with a heel rise throws your whole body out of kilter when your normally wear flat shoes.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: RedShaft on November 30, 2012, 04:14:00 PM
my feet are same as yours.. sweaty. i have hunted the entire season in 200 gram thinsulate boots.
yes 200... nice and light to hike around in and climb. when i get on stand i get out my HOT MOC boot covers. 2 hand warmers goin in truck on way there. throw them in the toe of the hot mocs and slip em on when i get on stand. or throw 2 in each boot cover if its bitchen ass cold. today was 27deg here in pa. i hunted dark till 1pm. feet was actually hot. you will love the setup. they are light to carry, have there own roll up bag. about size of 2 baseballs. and i usually walk mile or more sometimes. i wear reg socks and tennis shoes till i get to the parking area. them put on my mostly wool heavy socks and head in. when i get there unloosen all the laces on my boots and get those hot mocs on my feet.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: sticbow on December 01, 2012, 08:09:00 AM
if you will wear your normal hunting boots for the hike an carry a pair of mickey mouse boots "black ones..the white ones are dry boots not for water" an put them on.  problem solved.. i get cold feet an have never had them with mickey boots.you can wear them walking in the sweat will give me blisters on my heals in a long walk so i just carry them.
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: fryguy on December 12, 2012, 12:12:00 AM
I too suffer from sweaty cold feet, and I mean sweaty. Tried alot of different things, but not much has worked like i would like it to. However after reading all your guys tips and ideas, I remember reading somewhere to wear in fairly light socks/boots like some of you have said. Then when you settle in, change socks if needed, but take your boots off and slip your stocking feet into a set of boot blankets that had some hand warmers tossed in befores you left the house or truck. Has anyone tried this method?
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: huntsmanlance on December 12, 2012, 01:26:00 AM
I read this thread before and was affraid to ask because i didnt want to sound like an idiot....but what are mickey mouse boots?
Title: Re: New Lesson on COLD feet. Thoughts?
Post by: huntsmanlance on December 12, 2012, 01:30:00 AM
I read this thread before and was affraid to ask because i didnt want to sound like an idiot....but what are mickey mouse boots?