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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: rlc1959 on February 08, 2013, 08:46:00 AM
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I want a 2pc Longbow for Hunting. I have never shot a Tolke Whip. I loved my Centaur but it seemed a little light in the hand to me so I sold it.. I had an ACS 2 pc that I really liked all but the grip was too big. I am thinking a Dark Matter centaur or a Tolke Whip. Has anyone owned both and can give me some advise.
Thanks, Randy
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I have not owned the Centaur. All I know is that the Toelke has top notch performance and looks better than just about anything else out there (at least in my opinion).
I don't think you can go wrong with either bow but I do think the Toelke will end up being lighter than the Centaur.
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I own and shoot a Centaur. My buddy purchased a Toelke and it is lighter than my Centaur. Both shoot excellent. Both do well with the added weight of a bow quiver, in my opinion.
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No experience with a Toelke. I received my Centaur Dark Matter T/D about 2 months ago. It's everything I was hoping for and more. The only other Centaur I had shot was quite light in weight. Jim Neaves is really onto something with the Dark Matter :thumbsup:
Bill
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Toelke Whip. His two piece design came from a Salomon ski engineer. Bomber construction. I shot one of his but went with the H.S whip. Really great guy to deal with. Dan and his eldest son run the business so I enjoy giving him my support.
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Can't go wrong with either. Having said that, I like the lighter weight of the Toelke (Whip Classic), BUT WHAT I REALLY LOVE IS THE FAST DELIVERY!!!!!
Order a Toelke and in 4-6 weeks max, you will be slinging arrows.
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Thanks Guys . keep the opinions coming. I do have a fellow Trad Gang Member that has offered a Spot on the Centaur List coming up .
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i own both. if you loved your centaur, then i suggest you get another one in dark matter. my 58" dark matter with a low grip weighs 26.2 oz with all the weight in your hand, light limbs because of the carbon. superb bow..
my whip is 64" all phenolic riser and comes in about 23oz. add a bowbolt, and it would probably be 25-26 oz. this bow is glass limbs and all that dan offers.
in my opinion the whip is quieter, probably due to the bamboo core, but i like the way the centaur draws better.
honestly both are nice bows and you will probably have to try a whip to decide for youself, but for me the centaur in dark matter wins over the whip..
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I've owned both, a Centaur carbon elite and a 62" Whip (not a HS). Both very fine bows and wouldn't mind owning another Centaur, but if I had to choose I'd take the Whip every time.
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I know it's not what you are asking, but the sleeve type two piece as on Big Jim's is a much cleaner design IMHO compared to the others, although they work flawlessly.Just a preference thing.I agree you can't go wrong with either of your choices of fine craftmanship.
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I had a Big Jim 2 Pc . I do not remember why I sold it. I had a ACS with the sleeve connection. Very nice connection but the grip was too big for me. Keep the opinions coming. Seems about 50/50.
Thanks, Randy
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If you have the skills I think you can get a Toelke without finish...save some cash
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Nobody can make this decision but you--because I may absolutely love a particular bow does not mean it will be to your liking at all. Others' opinions are just that--what they like. Basically you have to just take your chances is how I see it after messing with these bows for waaaaay more years than I like to admit. :saywhat:
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I have had and traded alot of Bows myself. This thread was asking anyone who had owned and shot both to give me their opinion or advise. As i stated I have owned a couple Centaurs. Great shooting bows. I have not owned a Whip. Just looking to gain some opinions from Fellow Trad Gang Members who have owned both.
Thanks guys, Randy
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Have owned both and have high regards for both. If this helps, Dan will only build a 2 piece by using phenolic in the riser which adds a bit more weight. Toelke wait time puts Jim's to shame, but I like and shoot both favorably. If I were to order from Dan right now it would be a Whip Classic 2 piece with leather grip...
Just me though.
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Why not look for both on the calssifieds. Run a comparison and sell the one you like the least. I know that requires a greater financial commitment, but in the long run you will end up with the bow that works best for you, your hand and style. Maybe each bowyer has loaner they would let you try. Worth asking.
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I had a similar problem. When I bought my first longbow I first was going to get a centaur but for some reason nobody answered the phone when I called then I called Dan and his wife answered the phone and gave Dan the phone. I told him that I talked with him about a bow a month earlier and wanted to talk to him again about building me a bow. He said not to worry, I already have it made. Confused for a second I said what? He said yeah, I knew you were going to call me back. I told him about me first calling someone else first and he laughed. I hear Jim is a good guy also though I have never talked to him before. Dan on the other hand, I have talked to him several times(more than he wishes,hahaha) and I have had several bows from him. I still have that whip,thanks to a fellow member which I am forever thankful to. Currently I have the whip and a Super D. If you talk to Dan tell him Chris Kiefner said hi.
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I have an add in the classified looking for either or both.The 2 PC do not show up very often especially the Centaur. I found a Whip that is a couple pounds lighter than I wanted. I may try it out and if it is what I want order one a little heavier.
Thanks for the advise, Randy
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Randy,I still have your old centaur. I am waiting for my turn to order a two-piece. I've shot the Toelke. I would say get the Centaur, especially if you can cut down the wait time.
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Both really great guys building really great bows. That said I would get the Centaur two piece phenolic riser bow; It fits what you are saying you like and everyone I have talked to says great things about his two piece design.
God bless and good luck. Steve
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Thanks Guys. I miss that Centaur I sold to ermont. I sold it to buy a 2pc and Centaur was not building them at the time so I bought an ACS. I liked the ACS but could not get used to the grip. It was a little too big for me. With the sleeve design thet said there was not alot of room to down size it. I am still on the fence here.
Take care, randy
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Well if the wait time works out about the same with the Centaur spot, then it comes down to looks and shooting. That stuff is all most all subjective.
I wouldn't have a bow bolt without a fair amount of phenolic. That and the bolt will add some weight so being too light or mass weight in general should not be a big deal.
I had a Centaur for a while. Not crazy about the carbon look, but it is okay. I like nice veneers a lot better. I know you can get a Centaur with wood veneers, but that is not the hot Centaur most people want. Also the Centaur bows I have seen had a more textured finish. Looks like maybe it would be better for durability, but I like the finish on a whip better.
I have only shot a few whips, but liked the grip better no question about it.
Without shooting them side by side at same weight and arrow it is hard to compare speed and sound, but my best guess is the Centaur is faster and the whip is quieter.
I guess if you want me to pick one for you, it will be a whip for quiet, looks, and grip. Do you want weigth, length and wood combo also? :biglaugh:
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Thanks,
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Randy You may as well just buy them both. Allen
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I would consider that but the 2 pc do not show up very often in the classifieds. i am going to watch for a Whip for a little while longer. I have already shot the Centaur one piece and like the way they shot.
Thanks, Randy
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I don't think you will be disappointed which ever one you decide on.
I have owned a Toelke Whip 2pc, and one piece Centaurs, I prefer the grip on the Toelke, but that is me it's YOU that counts.
I am currently shooting a one piece toelke Whip, Micarta laminate riser I like the masss weight and I see another T/D in my future I like 2 pieces for backpacking.
Only reason I let my other 2 piece Toelke go is the poundage was a little heavy for me.
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Thanks Tater
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I have quite a few Centaurs and shot a few Whips.
My last centaur was tripple carbon and dark Matter riser.My brother has the 2 piece dark matter.I think the DM T.D is very well made and durable.I had a Thunderhorn that uses a similar system.
Centuar will do any grip you like.From high to low and any size.He even does a thumbrest like you see on the whip if you want that feasture.So I dont thik the grip is something to worry about since you may have that customized to your prefferance.
I think the Centaur is gonna have higher performance as far as cast.
I found the tripple carbon to pull very smooth for a tripple carbon limbed bow.Some others makes that I have tried seemed less smooth.Mine was 62".
The Whip is a gorgous bow,shoots sweetly,pleasantly and is extemely quiet.
I think the T.D syatem of the Centaur may be more bomproof in the long run since the bows riser is not hollowed out for hardware.The phenolic riser should be pretty strong though with the bowbolt.
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One other thing about the two T/D systems to consider is, do you want the 2 piece for travel or as in my case backpack hunting.
I prefer not to have to carry an allen wrench or bolts, I know that doesn't seem like a big deal,.. until your four miles from your truck and drop a screw or allen wrench. Trust me I know..!
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I agree on the tool deal. i liked the sleeve system on my 2pc ACS but it creates to big of a grip. I want a 2pc for Airline Travel and wilderness hunting. I liked the Centaur that I had, Never tried a Whip yet.
Thanks Guys, Randy
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Anybody Else ??
Thanks, Randy
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I am a loyal Toelke fan and I've owned quite a few whips 66", 64", and 62". The 66" was a takedown. Also, owned a 62" triple carbon elite centaur. Out of the two I personally like the whip. For me anyway, the whip is easier to tune (is more forgiving of brace height), is more quiet, and the grip fits me better. The centaur that I owned was only 2 fps faster than my whip and was 3 lbs. heavier in draw weight. I prefer the whip in a one piece, and prefer Lynx in a takedown. It's not that I don't like the bow bolt, I just prefer a one piece whip. Plus, Dan will build you a bow just to try out if he doesn't have one in stock. The first bow I got from Dan was sent without me knowing it. I talked to Dan on the phone, three days later the bow I was asking about was at my front door. Dan is just that type of person. I currently own two Lynx's and two whips, love them both.
The bottom line is that they really are two outstanding bows.
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I was thinking which one too but Just went out and shot the whip I'm sticking with my first date, a 58" tolke HS whip I don't think there is a better one out there. It does everything I ask it too.
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From what I hear there is a major build time difference. Never shot a centaur but every toelke i have shot was fantastic.
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Thanks Guys. I missed a call yesterday from Dan Tolke. I will be talking to him and most likely ordering a 2pc Whip. I am sure if it does not work out for me someone would gladly give it a home.
Take care , Randy
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I have never owned or shoot a Centaur, but have heard good things about them.
I have owned a Whip, but recently sold it since it was about 8 lbs lighter than what I really thought I wanted.
Since then, I have also contacted Dan and I am in the process of designing a new Whip with a few tweaks to my ideas.
These bows are so quiet, well made and perform as well as any other bows out there in my opinion. And, the big kicker is that Dan can have it in your hands in about a month in most cases.
So, if I can have a bow that meets all my requirements and I can have it within a month; then it will be a Toelke.
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Amen to that. No long wait for a Tolke .
Randy Chamberlin
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Randy ,
I would suggest that your new Whip should be at least 62 in. and around 47#. :archer:
May the quest never end !
Bill
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Thanks, Bill
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After many years of shooting recurves I ordered a Toelke Whip HS last sping. I was hesitant about a longbow but figured I needed to hunt with one before it was too late. I have never shot better and killed the first deer I shot at this fall with it. I simply love every thing about my 60' Whip.
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I know what you are saying. I am currently shooting a Das Dalaa recurve with Border Hex 6 limbs. It is fast and shoots great. Just does not seem the same as the longbows I have shot and hunted with. Like my friend Bill said. let the quest continue.
Thanks, Randy
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Still on the fence. Had a couple leads on Tolke 2 pc bows. One was a little too light. One was 58" and I think a little to short for my 29" draw. i have a lead on the perfect Whip 2 pc right now. waiting on a call back. 62" 50@28. No used 2 pc Centaur's out there. Found a Big Jim in the right spec's . Need to make something happen soon. :dunno:
Thanks, Randy
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I just got a 2-piece Toelke Whip. The specs are: 50# at 28'', 64''.
The take down system appears to be solid and simple. No limb bolts to worry about or lose. I like it so far.
As for the bow: it draws quite smmoth, no handshock and is actually quite fast.
What was also good about everything was my wait time was three weeks from start to finish.
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Just sent another check to Dan last week. 62" HS two piece, 50# at 28". Should be getting it pretty soon......
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Thanks Guys. I am waiting the weekend out on a Fellow Trad Gang Member considering selling me his 2pc Whip. Also looking to get a spot on the Centaur List ?? Still undecided.
Randy