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Title: 2 blade for bears
Post by: Sean B on July 09, 2013, 02:39:00 PM: Call me crazy, but I'm tinkering around with my set up a little. I got some Magnus 2 blades razor sharp and they're flying great out my bow. NOW, both bears that I've taken, I shot with a woodsman. The first bear went down pretty much in site, I was so excited, I didn't even look for blood. The second only went about 60-70 yards on a good hit, the blood stopped after about 40 yards. Both were complete pass through's.

My question is; would a 2 blade head clog up with fat or what ever and leave even less blood? I'm gearing up for a fall bear hunt in Maine.

and I now, I know...if it ain't broke, don't fix it!!! I just want to try these Magnus heads.
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: LITTLEBIGMAN on July 09, 2013, 03:10:00 PM: 2 blade eclipse werewolf single bevel left an amazing blood trail on this 400 lb bear. He went 50 yards

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7216/7283227350_34dab70d74.jpg)
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: awbowman on July 09, 2013, 03:14:00 PM: I've never shot a bear and don't particularly want to, but with anything over 200#s, I'll pick maximum penetration over an extra blade.
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: tippit on July 09, 2013, 04:15:00 PM: Sean,
All twelve of mine have fallen to a 2 blade...that includes a two blade stone point. I don't use 3 blades as I want maximum penetration especially now that I am shooting 50# or less. This is the blood trail leading right to last years P&Y bear...tippit

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Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: Sean B on July 09, 2013, 04:24:00 PM: Tippit, I was thinking of that blood trail when I was kicking around the Magnus. Pretty impressive!!

Nice bear Jim.
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: frassettor on July 09, 2013, 04:44:00 PM: :campfire: :clapper:
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: killinstuff on July 09, 2013, 04:53:00 PM: 2,3 or 4 blades all give you about the same blood trail from what I've seen. It's the spot you hit them that matters. High hits, gut hits,little blood. Low hits, arm area hits, good blood.
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: 2treks on July 09, 2013, 05:17:00 PM: Ace Express will get the nod for my Bear arrows this September.
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: Ray Lyon on July 09, 2013, 05:28:00 PM: Business real estate and your question have a lot in common.....location, location and location.

Two, three or four blade doesn't matter, shot placement is critical. I've been on 4 trails with 2 blades (2 of mine and 2 of my best friend) all bears went under 60 yards and most only 35-40 yards. Trailing wasn't an issue. My 3blade bear kill went the same average distance. So, again, trail wasn't necessary, just walk to the death moan. Mi**** a bear with any number of blades and it probably isn't going to be found without a dog.
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: Yellow Dog on July 09, 2013, 06:48:00 PM: Sean, two Quebec bears with 1963 Bear Greenies without bleeders, and a third one with a two blade 150gr Stinger. None went further than 125 yards with an endless bloodtrail once it started to flow. All three bows were under 50 pounds at my 30" draw and all three arrows were stuck 6" into the dirt after the shot.

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Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: Sean B on July 09, 2013, 06:54:00 PM: Thanks guys, I feel better about it now!! Hey Mike, I think that Bill Terry and I were the only ones shooting a 3 blade head last year.
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: Terry Lightle on July 09, 2013, 06:57:00 PM: Shot 1 bear,2 blade Magnus did the job.Good bloodtrail and he died 50 yards from me.
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: dnovo on July 09, 2013, 10:19:00 PM: Shot 3 bears all with 2 blade. Last fall a 410# from Ontario with a 2 blade Delta. He went 35 yards, easy trail. Location is the key.
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: buckster on July 09, 2013, 10:39:00 PM: Sean,

I connected with a Tiger Shark on my Quebec bear last month. It was down quickly with a good blood trail, well visible in the dark. Only made it about 70 yards.

My first experience with Sharks is making me a convert!
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: Sean B on July 10, 2013, 03:18:00 PM: Hey Buckster, my buddy shot one in Quebec with a Tiger Shark, man, what a hole!
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: BearCrkBandit on July 10, 2013, 07:23:00 PM: I'd have to recommend the grizzly single bevel, they cut just as big a hole as a 3 blade with much better penetration, complete penetration on this bear, green scored 25 7/16", 2/16 bigger than the current trad world record.
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: BearCrkBandit on July 10, 2013, 07:24:00 PM: oops..didn't preview, here's the photo
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Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: Josh Perdue on July 10, 2013, 07:26:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by BearCrkBandit:
oops..didn't preview, here's the photo
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WOW :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: ermont on July 10, 2013, 07:29:00 PM: Holy Buckets, that's a big bear!
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: Sean B on July 10, 2013, 07:36:00 PM: He's a beaut!! If he'd get ahold of you, you'd know it!!! or maybe not!!!
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: coconutdave on July 10, 2013, 08:08:00 PM: I'll be using Ace two blades.
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: Stixbowdrew on July 10, 2013, 08:55:00 PM: Never shot a bear before, but I will be using centaur battle axes and abowyer boneheads, both in single bevel configuration thia year for my michigan hunt, I figure if its sharp, it should do the trick when placed properly
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: Jesse Minish on July 10, 2013, 09:23:00 PM: If you shoot a 145 grain double bevel Eclipse you will only need to measure your recovery in feet instead of yards. :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: JamesKerr on July 10, 2013, 10:05:00 PM: I have never shot a bear but I am going to take for granted since you are hunting in Maine you will be after Black Bears. I have seen a few bears and know a couple guys who have killed some. If you are drawing over 55# and have an arrow of 9gpp or more I would go with the either a 3 or 4 blade head every time. I am a fan of the big chop and like to have a blood trail that I can follow. I lost a couple nice fat deer a few years ago shooting a 2 blade head that was razor sharp but I never got any blood trails. If a deer's thin fat layer, skin, and hair can clog up a 2 blade slit then a bears fat layer and thick hair certainly will. The only 2 blades I would shoot would be a simmons tigershark, interceptor, or treeshark.
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: beaunaro on July 11, 2013, 12:05:00 AM: Sean,
I haven't shot a bear yet, but might try this Fall. I'm glad you started this thread because I need to decide which head to use.
I started bowhunting with the Magnus Stinger and killed two Caribou and several deer with them.
I killed 6 animals in Africa with the Magnus Stinger Buzzcut. Most of these shots were straight into the vitals...heart...right behind the leg. The animals never went far and were good clean kills, but sadly they never had very good blood trails. Then again, most shots were not pass throughs.
I really don't know what to think. I might try a single bevel if I can find one reasonably enough priced, or some Simmons tree sharks. I use 145 grn heads, but I think 175s will work for me too. I liked the sharpness and toughness of the 125 Simmons when I use to use them. Wish I knew which was best myself.
Jim uses the Woodsman and loves it on hogs.
Irv Eichorst
www.truesouthadventures.com (http://www.truesouthadventures.com)
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: Birdbow on July 11, 2013, 05:43:00 AM: Sean,
I've killed a few bears over the years with both Woodsmans and SB 2 blades. From a tree stand, I'm more interested in a pass through than anything else. A 2 blade exit hole is preferable to a 3 blade single, high entrance with no exit to me. Alot depends on what your equipment is - bow wt., arrow wt, arrow flt., etc. and while the average archery killed bear may weigh in the 120-150# range, there are enough 300# plus bruisers which could show up to make me want to be ready with...adequate penetration. Good luck! Todd
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: Birdbow on July 11, 2013, 05:46:00 AM: And Irv, BTW I've had VERY good results with the Zwickey No Mercy SB on steel adapters on bears. Good luck to you too! Todd
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: Tim on July 11, 2013, 07:03:00 AM: I shot one several years back in Minnesota with a 2018 and a small Magnus II 2 blade head. I had a complete pass through and the bear only went 50 yards. Very little blood on the ground, if any, and the understory was very thick.

If I hunted them again I would most likely shoot a Snuffer or a Razorcap. I'm a big fan of the long narrow 3 blade woodsman / VPA but I still think I'd opt for the bigger Snuffer. It would possibly put a little more on the ground with a marginal shot.

I do remember being very selective on my shot and would only shoot if the bear was quartering and had its leg forward. Good luck!
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: Tim Finley on July 11, 2013, 11:33:00 AM: I worked for an outfitter in nw manitoba for 16 years we took over 300 bears . I would never use a 2 blade head. I have shot bear with 2 blades, 4 blades and 3 blade, you need to find the animal after you shoot it, you need a blood trail you may get one with 2 blade and you may not, better chance with multiable blade of having a trail and better chance of finding your animal with a marginal hit. Penetration is not a problem with bears unless you hit the shoulder bones and then it doesnt matter what broadhead you use .I seen so many things happen,many shoulder shots, head shots, even ears shot off and complete misses at 10 yards. People get very excited when the time comes to draw the bow. Probably more bears are wounded than any other animal that is bowhunted. The worst thing I seen in broadheads was the long skinny single bevel, high loss rate, a hole that you could barely slide a nickle in and plugged with fat. A snuffer ,woodsman ,vpa, razorhead or similar multi-blade works best.
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: 2020 on July 11, 2013, 11:58:00 AM: Have shot number of bears all with 2 blade heads,STOS,bears from 150 lbs to 400lbs,all short blood trails,some OK blood trails and 2 of them were huge trails,all in what you hit.good luck!ask your guide if they have access to tracking dog,have seen a lot recovered that way.
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: Sean B on July 11, 2013, 08:59:00 PM: Got some pretty compelling arguments both for and against a 2 blade. Well, I am going to have both on hand. as I said, both my bears were taken with complete pass through of a woodsman, so I know they work!! I probably wont make a final decision til I load up my quiver to hunt!!
Title: Re: 2 blade for bears
Post by: damascusdave on July 11, 2013, 09:16:00 PM: The only two blade that I would recommend is the German Kinetic...of course after you buy a dozen or so of those you will have to postpone your bear hunt for another year since you will be out of funds :laughing: ...two of our compound hunters from Slovakia shot four bears with them last year...I would guess the total distance those bears went before dying was less than 200 yards...a two blade will work fine if you hit them right and nothing will work fine if you do not...I shot my bear with a 3 blade VPA but next time I shoot one it will be with the 2 blade...all I am intending to use for just about anything...the truth is, if you hit them right, I would bet you can kill a bear pretty quickly with a field point...just remember the world record grizzly was killed with a .22 short in the right place

DDave