Post by: Rob DiStefano on September 18, 2013, 09:27:00 PM
... please continue that great conversation!
:campfire:
:shaka:
PART ONE IS HERE (http://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=100971.0)
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Below is Pokerdaddy's "Echo" that's being referenced in the other posts below.
"Met Chuck Deshler from Two Tracks yesterday. Picked up an Echo that ya'll gotta see. 66" 54@28. All Walnut limbs with clear glass. Beautiful Myrtle riser with exposed fades. Got her dialed in today, and I gotta say she's a shooter!"
This pic is from Chuck, before she was finished up.
(http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g383/amzlongbow/040.jpg) (http://s1099.photobucket.com/user/amzlongbow/media/040.jpg.html)
Here she is all dolled up.
(http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g383/amzlongbow/043-1.jpg) (http://s1099.photobucket.com/user/amzlongbow/media/043-1.jpg.html)
(http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g383/amzlongbow/044-1.jpg) (http://s1099.photobucket.com/user/amzlongbow/media/044-1.jpg.html)
(http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g383/amzlongbow/045.jpg) (http://s1099.photobucket.com/user/amzlongbow/media/045.jpg.html)
Post by: TxAg on September 15, 2013, 10:03:00 PM
Post by: K.S.TRAPPER on September 15, 2013, 10:24:00 PM
(http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac248/TmPotter47/095095d6.jpg)
(http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac248/TmPotter47/0c38c133.jpg)
Tracy
Post by: Pokerdaddy on September 15, 2013, 10:24:00 PM
Good weekend!
Post by: RC on September 18, 2013, 09:44:00 PM
Charlie...thats the biggest Rabbit I ever seen. Crossed with a goat? RC
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 15, 2013, 11:06:00 PM
Post by: Knawbone on September 18, 2013, 09:54:00 PM
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 15, 2013, 11:18:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on September 16, 2013, 12:37:00 AM
How do you like the feel of those 66"ers?
Post by: Charlie Lamb on September 16, 2013, 07:41:00 AM
I got out after deer last night but didn't see anything except a fox squirrel that really didn't like the looks of me.
If I'd have had a squirrel arrow with me I'd have settled his rant. As it was after a half hour straight of his chattering, I cut a sapling that was nice and straight, trimmed the bumps and limbs, cut a nock in it and shot it at him. (left handed pinch draw) That made him leave even though it was flying sideways when it went past him.
Looking for the mother load of white oak acorns for now so I'll be moving around a lot.
Post by: sticksnstones on September 16, 2013, 08:29:00 AM
Camp h(A)mbush might have to be renamed Echo Base!
Thom
Post by: two4hooking on September 16, 2013, 09:25:00 AM
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Originally posted by Charlie Lamb::biglaugh:
Tracy... VERY NICE!!! I think you are getting the hang of it and glad to hear you're getting out and shooting. The weather does make it easier.
I got out after deer last night but didn't see anything except a fox squirrel that really didn't like the looks of me.
If I'd have had a squirrel arrow with me I'd have settled his rant. As it was after a half hour straight of his chattering, I cut a sapling that was nice and straight, trimmed the bumps and limbs, cut a nock in it and shot it at him. (left handed pinch draw) That made him leave even though it was flying sideways when it went past him.
Looking for the mother load of white oak acorns for now so I'll be moving around a lot.
This one wasn't so lucky Saturday.
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/20130914_090558_zpsff881172.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/20130914_090558_zpsff881172.jpg.html)
Post by: RC on September 16, 2013, 11:57:00 AM
It was a bit shiny so I put some paint on it.RC
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/bows/2013%20critters/IMG_0094_zpsb9dfaf99.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/bows/2013%20critters/IMG_0094_zpsb9dfaf99.jpg.html)
Post by: Butch Speer on September 16, 2013, 12:22:00 PM
If you keep hunting in GA. there won't be any animals left in that state cause your a killin' machine! :jumper:
Post by: Bud B. on September 16, 2013, 02:58:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 16, 2013, 06:32:00 PM
Post by: RC on September 16, 2013, 10:25:00 PM
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/bows/2013%20critters/IMG_0109_zps02592e4f.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/bows/2013%20critters/IMG_0109_zps02592e4f.jpg.html)
Post by: TJK68 on September 16, 2013, 10:27:00 PM
Tom
Post by: Overspined on September 16, 2013, 11:19:00 PM
Very Nice RC!
Post by: Mudd on September 17, 2013, 12:03:00 AM
Two in the same day RC?
Wowsers!!!
Congratulations!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: mbugland on September 17, 2013, 01:03:00 AM
The weather even cooled off enough to give you that itch. I have to go back and read how to make that DIY wedged tree seat. Don't think I will make it up the tree... but can certainly lay against it.
This thread always keeps me away from training wheels and crossbows... as long as it can keep my shoulder convinced of that too.
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 17, 2013, 03:18:00 AM
Post by: RC on September 17, 2013, 06:25:00 AM
Post by: mikebiz on September 17, 2013, 06:27:00 AM
Post by: unclewhit on September 17, 2013, 09:10:00 AM
Post by: RC on September 17, 2013, 10:04:00 AM
Post by: Doc Nock on September 19, 2013, 09:35:00 AM
BTW, Charlie, how is the leg/knee lo these many years later!??? :rolleyes:
Post by: two4hooking on September 17, 2013, 10:09:00 AM
Hope to get a few more soon....
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/squirr002_zps1a7b9efc.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/squirr002_zps1a7b9efc.jpg.html)
Post by: centaur on September 17, 2013, 10:10:00 AM
I hope to post a pic of something with tan colored hair in the near future, but until then, here is a pic of my Cheetah at a place where the big wapiti hang out.
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_0422_zps88309674.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_0422_zps88309674.jpg.html)
Post by: Mudd on September 17, 2013, 10:11:00 AM
I love it!!
RC my counter must be off as I'm still reading 999.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: TJK68 on September 17, 2013, 10:28:00 AM
I am loving my new found addiction to the Hill style bows family. Great pics guys.
Tom
Post by: Linwood Hines on September 17, 2013, 11:31:00 AM
Post by: ron w on September 17, 2013, 11:43:00 AM
Post by: Josh Perdue on September 17, 2013, 11:49:00 AM
Post by: swampthing on September 17, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
Post by: swampthing on September 17, 2013, 11:55:00 AM
(http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv247/pukingguts/DSC_1063.jpg) (http://s688.photobucket.com/user/pukingguts/media/DSC_1063.jpg.html)
Post by: swampthing on September 17, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
(http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv247/pukingguts/DSC_4162.jpg) (http://s688.photobucket.com/user/pukingguts/media/DSC_4162.jpg.html)
Post by: swampthing on September 17, 2013, 11:57:00 AM
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Post by: swampthing on September 17, 2013, 12:03:00 PM
Post by: RC on September 17, 2013, 12:07:00 PM
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 17, 2013, 12:09:00 PM
Post by: mikebiz on September 17, 2013, 12:38:00 PM
Post by: Irish Archer on September 17, 2013, 01:08:00 PM
That's one fine lookin' bow!
Post by: moebow on September 17, 2013, 01:15:00 PM
Arne
Post by: Green on September 17, 2013, 01:20:00 PM
Post by: TxAg on September 17, 2013, 01:27:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 17, 2013, 01:36:00 PM
Post by: Centex on September 17, 2013, 03:09:00 PM
Post by: RC on September 17, 2013, 03:16:00 PM
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/bows/2013%20critters/IMG_0119_zps7c9db17b.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/bows/2013%20critters/IMG_0119_zps7c9db17b.jpg.html)
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/bows/2013%20critters/IMG_0109_zps02592e4f.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/bows/2013%20critters/IMG_0109_zps02592e4f.jpg.html)
Post by: moebow on September 17, 2013, 03:39:00 PM
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/CIMG0242.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/CIMG0242.jpg.html)
Post by: TJK68 on September 17, 2013, 04:17:00 PM
Tom
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/TJK68/20130913_173739_resized_zps5089055e.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/TJK68/media/20130913_173739_resized_zps5089055e.jpg.html)
Post by: RC on September 17, 2013, 04:34:00 PM
Post by: stik&string on September 17, 2013, 05:00:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by ron w:Ron I had an Owl that was IMHO the best looking Hill I have owned. Unfortunately the pics of it were on my phone and it is no longer working. As far as performance, it was right up there with the all bamboo bows but with a little more thump at release.
I was just on the Hill site, I'm thinking about a bow blank. Anyone have a photo of an Owl, osage and boo?
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 17, 2013, 05:28:00 PM
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps1ad8a8a7.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps6abdd434.jpg)
Also, I couldn't resist, I bought Joe's righty 70" 105@30 Bama Tribute:
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps181232c7.jpg)
Tendonitis be damned!!!
I already commissioned a lefty one with Nate, should be done in about 3-4 months. Wenge riser blacked out beauty 70" [email protected]'ll be named 'Werewolf'.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 17, 2013, 06:04:00 PM
That is one of my favorite, if not favorite lines ,paragraphs about the longbow and my love for it. When I was reading Instinctive Shoooting 2 and got to that point it blew me away at the truth behind it and how he captured it into words.
Post by: bicster on September 17, 2013, 06:46:00 PM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on September 17, 2013, 07:12:00 PM
:campfire:
Post by: Green on September 17, 2013, 07:43:00 PM
My list ebbs and flows, and am on the hunt for another Wesley at the moment, but here's my Half Breed "Second Chance", which is where I rest my tab and my hopes with season now only 12 days away.
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/Back%20Quiver/DSCN0888-1.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/Back%20Quiver/DSCN0888-1.jpg.html)
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/Howard%20Hill%20Half%20Breed/DSCN0830.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/Howard%20Hill%20Half%20Breed/DSCN0830.jpg.html)
Post by: David Mitchell on September 17, 2013, 08:09:00 PM
(http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20Owl%20TD/HillOwlTD004.jpg) (http://s796.photobucket.com/user/davidmitchell_6466/media/Hill%20Owl%20TD/HillOwlTD004.jpg.html)
(http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20Owl%20TD/HillOwlTD001.jpg) (http://s796.photobucket.com/user/davidmitchell_6466/media/Hill%20Owl%20TD/HillOwlTD001.jpg.html)
(http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20Owl%20TD/HillOwlTD008.jpg) (http://s796.photobucket.com/user/davidmitchell_6466/media/Hill%20Owl%20TD/HillOwlTD008.jpg.html)
(http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy241/davidmitchell_6466/Hill%20Owl%20TD/HillOwlTD006.jpg) (http://s796.photobucket.com/user/davidmitchell_6466/media/Hill%20Owl%20TD/HillOwlTD006.jpg.html)
Post by: Scott E. Thomas on September 17, 2013, 08:27:00 PM
Post by: ron w on September 17, 2013, 09:13:00 PM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on September 17, 2013, 09:24:00 PM
Post by: TJK68 on September 17, 2013, 09:45:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on September 17, 2013, 09:55:00 PM
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/Snapbucket/36853EF2-orig_zpsf67f1718.jpg)
J.D. Berry Misty Dawn, Dave Johnson Red Cedar "Whitetail Magic" and a N.M. Classic.
If I had the cash, I'd be adding Pokerdaddy's Morning Star...
Post by: typical2 on September 17, 2013, 10:53:00 PM
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130917_222300_621_zpscf3819d6.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130917_223639_582_zpsc3554f8b.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130917_223706_014_zps2d798fc1.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130917_223838_996_zpse997d4a3.jpg)
I made several(currently lost track of how many) playing with different stack tapers, tip and limb widths, etc. Having a ball.
Makes me want to make more!
But...which one to hunt with. Or do I need to try to get each bow a kill?
Post by: Linwood Hines on September 17, 2013, 11:03:00 PM
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Originally posted by moebow:Moebow, I love this "rack o' bows"! Did you make it? (and a great collection!)
Which one??
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/CIMG0242.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/CIMG0242.jpg.html)
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 17, 2013, 11:12:00 PM
Post by: bow loving man on September 17, 2013, 11:13:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on September 17, 2013, 11:21:00 PM
Now no one can tell me I have too many bows....lol
Awesome collection!!
:archer:
Post by: typical2 on September 17, 2013, 11:22:00 PM
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Originally posted by bow loving man:I've got you covered. Some don't like the white belly for hunting though... ;)
Eric, I only see one problem with all those bows you've made, not one is a lefty! They are beautiful and you do very nice work...
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130917_231740_164_zpsf9a6a07b.jpg)
Post by: bow loving man on September 17, 2013, 11:42:00 PM
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 18, 2013, 12:04:00 AM
Post by: typical2 on September 18, 2013, 06:25:00 AM
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Originally posted by nineworlds9:Just for fun. Never have sold one, although my wife wishes I would. ;)
Eric do you just make em for fun??
Post by: 2treks on September 18, 2013, 06:59:00 AM
I really enjoyed our short visit at the GLLI.
Keep up the good work on the bows. You do a great job. Hope we can shoot sometime and teach Matt a lesson or two.
Post by: typical2 on September 18, 2013, 09:57:00 AM
Eric
Post by: Knawbone on September 18, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
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Post by: Green on September 18, 2013, 04:57:00 PM
Post by: Bud B. on September 18, 2013, 06:41:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 18, 2013, 06:42:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on September 18, 2013, 06:45:00 PM
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 18, 2013, 06:46:00 PM
(http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q506/ORShooter1/null_zps2220fcb7.jpg) (http://s1161.photobucket.com/user/ORShooter1/media/null_zps2220fcb7.jpg.html)
Post by: Green on September 18, 2013, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 18, 2013, 07:01:00 PM
If I don't succeed on those two days, I will have another chance during the late season which encompasses the rut. :D
Post by: typical2 on September 18, 2013, 07:22:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:Pavan
Erik, since I am ambidextrous and have shot lots of deer with white glassed bows, that double shelf bow would work fine for me. What are the specs on that?
This bow is 69" ntn and about 45@28. With the dual shelf it is cut 5/16" from center so it likes a little weaker spine than normal. Nice bow. 1" at fades and 1/2" at tips.
Post by: Green on September 18, 2013, 07:29:00 PM
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 18, 2013, 07:32:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 18, 2013, 07:37:00 PM
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 18, 2013, 07:39:00 PM
Post by: magnus on September 18, 2013, 07:42:00 PM
(http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb472/mwgtrad/1379547591.jpg)
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 18, 2013, 07:44:00 PM
Post by: typical2 on September 18, 2013, 07:50:00 PM
You can see that with the reveal of the bamboo on belly and back. There isn't a corner on this thing. Kind of like the river otters I saw on my pond the morning I pulled it out of the oven.
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130917_231926_455_zpsb68405fa.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130917_231933_517_zps5d96ce48.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_171849_119_zpsb20e5ddf.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_171931_740_zpsd6474509.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_172037_496_zps6157c7bb.jpg)
The tips are narrow. (.4")
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_172105_811_zpsb9367368.jpg)
Post by: magnus on September 18, 2013, 07:52:00 PM
Post by: Wildcat Sue on September 18, 2013, 07:52:00 PM
Post by: magnus on September 18, 2013, 07:55:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 18, 2013, 07:55:00 PM
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 18, 2013, 07:56:00 PM
Post by: Wildcat Sue on September 18, 2013, 08:01:00 PM
Post by: Wildcat Sue on September 18, 2013, 08:04:00 PM
Post by: typical2 on September 18, 2013, 08:33:00 PM
I call it Snake Eyes. It is American elm veneers that look a bit like snake skin and the bocote riser seems to have eyes.
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_182326_875_zps56bcea7d.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_182337_975_zps45f773ee.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_202333_411_zps854be989.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_182356_703_zpseeed5332.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_190844_187_zps49ac051f.jpg)
Post by: typical2 on September 18, 2013, 08:34:00 PM
American elm limbs and wenge riser. Shoots great.
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130918_172355_614_zps6df9f7f4.jpg)
Post by: Charlie Lamb on September 18, 2013, 09:32:00 PM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on September 18, 2013, 09:33:00 PM
:clapper:
Post by: Mike Vines on September 18, 2013, 09:45:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on September 18, 2013, 09:56:00 PM
Thank you Rob!!!!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 18, 2013, 09:56:00 PM
Post by: ChuckC on September 18, 2013, 09:57:00 PM
I can't remember the conversation from before, how can we continue it ?
ChuckC
Post by: Shinken on September 18, 2013, 09:58:00 PM
One can feed a whole family with just one critta!
Shoot straight, Shinken
:archer2:
Post by: ron w on September 18, 2013, 10:09:00 PM
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on September 18, 2013, 10:16:00 PM
Post by: BDann on September 18, 2013, 10:41:00 PM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on September 18, 2013, 10:46:00 PM
:thumbsup:
Post by: Charlie Lamb on September 18, 2013, 10:52:00 PM
;)
The story that goes with it is in my book..."A Bowhunters Tales".
Post by: Brazos on September 18, 2013, 11:10:00 PM
Post by: Linwood Hines on September 19, 2013, 12:59:00 AM
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Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:You are a CLEVER guy Charlie! (It was a good story too!)
yeah guys that is one huge jack rabbit. Was able to bag him with a steel blunt on a cedar arrow, 80# Hill Big Five and
Photoshop.
;) The story that goes with it is in my book..."A Bowhunters Tales".
Post by: Timberking on September 19, 2013, 04:39:00 AM
Post by: Green on September 19, 2013, 05:46:00 AM
Y'all better hope this thread only goes 1003 pages.....that 1004th's a doozie!
Post by: kbetts on September 19, 2013, 07:01:00 AM
Post by: NYArrow on September 19, 2013, 07:17:00 AM
Post by: bowhntineverythingnh03743 on September 19, 2013, 07:29:00 AM
Also enjoyed watching John Schultz on one of those video sites talking about the Howard Hill form of shooting. Great video if you have a moment to see it.
Post by: Green on September 19, 2013, 07:43:00 AM
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=131661
Post by: JDBerry on September 19, 2013, 09:23:00 AM
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 19, 2013, 09:36:00 AM
The holy hand grenade comment almost made me fall down.
Post by: Terry Green on September 19, 2013, 09:46:00 AM
Thanks.
I would do it...but then it would show I edited your thread....don't want that. :D
Post by: Moots on September 19, 2013, 12:52:00 PM
Post by: Irish Archer on September 19, 2013, 01:04:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 19, 2013, 03:42:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on September 19, 2013, 04:26:00 PM
i had saved the posts i removed from the original thread, renumbered each one so it would start with "000001", stuck them under this thread's topic post (mine), stuck back all the other posts from this thread and renumbered them sequentially to start after the last of the old numbered posts - yep, 129 changes in all! then realized i needed to reset the topic thread post counter, and that did the trick.
but i think it worked. had to save ALL the posts from that way cool thread! :cool:
Post by: Mudd on September 19, 2013, 04:33:00 PM
Thank you Rob!!
:archer:
Post by: TJK68 on September 19, 2013, 04:43:00 PM
Tom
Post by: Green on September 19, 2013, 04:46:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano::thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
i "hand crafted" this thread back together. :D
i had saved the posts i removed from the original thread, renumbered each one so it would start with "000001", stuck them under this thread's topic post (mine), stuck back all the other posts from this thread and renumbered them sequentially to start after the last of the old numbered posts - yep, 129 changes in all! then realized i needed to reset the topic thread post counter, and that did the trick.
but i think it worked. had to save ALL the posts from that way cool thread! :cool:
:clapper: :clapper: :clapper:
Post by: Rob DiStefano on September 19, 2013, 07:05:00 PM
Z||000001||TxAg||09-15-2013||10:03 PM||||That echo looks nice!||99.66.178.189||reg||1||TxAg||00017471||yesZ||000002||K.S.TRAPPER|| ;09-15-2013||10:24 PM||||We finally got some cooler weather and it sure is nice to be out shooting more then just a few shots before the heat ran me back inside. My Hill style BBO I built sure is a pleasure to shoot.
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Tracy||67.142.161.21||reg||1||K.S.TRAPPER||00006950||yesZ||000003||Pokerdaddy&# 0124;|09-15-2013||10:24 PM||||Saturday I also received a new-to-me JD Berry Morningstar from member lineman72. Sweet reverse-handle with a touch of backset. 66" 51@27, so also roughly 54@28. Haven't had a chance to take any pics of it yet, but it can be seen in the thread, "Elegance, JD Berry Morningstar".
Good weekend!||64.119.51.72||reg||1||Pokerdaddy||00024679||yesZ||000004||Brianlocal3 4;|09-15-2013||11:06 PM||||Oh my. You got yourself a couple gems then. I love my reverse handles||99.188.24.124||reg||1||Brianlocal3||00036050||yesZ||000005||nineworlds9 24;|09-15-2013||11:18 PM||||Looks like Chuck Deschler makes a winner with that Echo. Now how about some Shrew Hills Chuck!? Lol.||66.87.149.180||reg||1||nineworlds9||00037028||yesZ||000006||finnish-archer 24;|09-16-2013||12:37 AM||||Great looking bow, Andrew! And a Morning Star too? Wow!
How do you like the feel of those 66"ers?||66.223.175.78||reg||1||akbowbender||00014795||yesZ||000007||Sunbear|& #0124;09-16-2013||07:41 AM||||Tracy... VERY NICE!!! I think you are getting the hang of it and glad to hear you're getting out and shooting. The weather does make it easier.
I got out after deer last night but didn't see anything except a fox squirrel that really didn't like the looks of me.
If I'd have had a squirrel arrow with me I'd have settled his rant. As it was after a half hour straight of his chattering, I cut a sapling that was nice and straight, trimmed the bumps and limbs, cut a nock in it and shot it at him. (left handed pinch draw) That made him leave even though it was flying sideways when it went past him.
Looking for the mother load of white oak acorns for now so I'll be moving around a lot.||69.179.154.92||reg||1||Charlie Lamb||00000008||yes
i love this stuff *almost* as much as drawing a shaft on a fat hog ... or a bunny wabbit! :D
2006 Mod Melt in Laredo, Texas - Pac Yew longbow, woodie arrows - pic by Charlie Lamb!
(http://www.tradgang.com/mm2006/mm2006-rob-bunny.jpg)
Post by: Centex on September 19, 2013, 07:55:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on September 19, 2013, 07:59:00 PM
here's one i should never have let go, "Sheba" ...
(http://rfd.cc/pb/archery/sheba.jpg)
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on September 19, 2013, 08:07:00 PM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on September 19, 2013, 08:21:00 PM
That Texas hunt was a great one. Would love to do it again.
Post by: Mac Hicks on September 19, 2013, 08:28:00 PM
Post by: Linwood Hines on September 19, 2013, 10:32:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:ROB you have achieved something really special to a lot of us - thank you! I'm new at this HH LB thing but I'm really enjoying it thanks to you and...
enuf of the big topic thread woes - let's get on to the HILL LONGBOWS!
here's one i should never have let go, "Sheba" ...
(http://rfd.cc/pb/archery/sheba.jpg)
AND you just showed me even ANOTHER thing - the rug (I assume w/ rubberized back)! Why didn't I think of that? Thanks AGAIN!
Post by: Overspined on September 19, 2013, 10:58:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on September 20, 2013, 12:07:00 AM
Most of you probably already know how to use one ala John Schulz and Howard Hill. For those of you who don't know how, I hope you'll find this video helpful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=702n8EWLEP8&feature=youtu.be
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 20, 2013, 07:59:00 AM
The Berry clan
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/54864DF1-54F7-412A-BB4D-13A730B5AEA8-14940-0000220E76424700_zpsdb460564.jpg)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/8A76C11A-C057-4AE3-B99A-48C83B5D1CA8-14940-0000220E70726480_zpsed76b5ec.jpg)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/E07CCDFD-109C-4C18-BC31-879525893627-14940-0000220E5AB6C38E_zps3ac3a5ef.jpg)
Post by: Mudd on September 20, 2013, 08:21:00 AM
Chuck you and your son did a great job on your video.
I would say that 95 plus percent of the folks that view it will be helped.
As mentioned in your video, I use a "Mudd flap" attached to the strap to assist me in getting the quiver where I need it.
I do this because of my shoulder reconstruction which doesn't allow my right arm to move to the side for arrow retrieval and for me it's less movement that trying to "Bump" it there.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: TJK68 on September 20, 2013, 09:35:00 AM
Beautiful stable of bows you have there Brian.
Tom
Post by: Butch Speer on September 20, 2013, 11:38:00 AM
Post by: Pat B. on September 20, 2013, 03:40:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on September 20, 2013, 05:36:00 PM
Roy: somehow missed you calling your innovation a "Mudd Flap" ! I like that!
Post by: Timberking on September 20, 2013, 06:06:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 20, 2013, 08:21:00 PM
If I can part with my side stalker quiver long enough I will get the HHA back quiver off the pegs and give her another go.
Post by: Green on September 20, 2013, 08:33:00 PM
Post by: Homebru on September 20, 2013, 08:44:00 PM
homebru
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 20, 2013, 08:58:00 PM
Shooting bear razor heads from this set up and they are flying good good good.
Hopefully I can get out and do some hunting this year as all I got in last was one 45 min mid morning sit. If I can get this house sold and family moved soon ill get my chance. Untill then ill shoot my BH and pretend while reading everyone else's stories
Post by: Bud B. on September 20, 2013, 09:59:00 PM
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Originally posted by Irish Archer:66" is my shortest.
Any of you fellas hunt with a 64" Hill-style bow? If so, how far are you pullin'er back? Just a thought about trying one for tighter spots.
Anyone else??
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 20, 2013, 10:26:00 PM
Post by: unclewhit on September 21, 2013, 07:56:00 AM
(http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh334/unclewhit/IMG_20130920_175523.jpg) (http://s544.photobucket.com/user/unclewhit/media/IMG_20130920_175523.jpg.html)
Did find some deer sign, so I know they are in there. Can't wait for opining day.
Post by: mikebiz on September 21, 2013, 08:51:00 AM
Post by: Knawbone on September 21, 2013, 08:53:00 AM
(http://d.pictureupload.us/1943990591523d954253ec2.jpg) (http://www.pictureupload.us)
Post by: Knawbone on September 21, 2013, 09:08:00 AM
Post by: Jon Powell on September 21, 2013, 10:12:00 AM
Post by: Moots on September 21, 2013, 10:30:00 AM
Post by: Ifrit617 on September 21, 2013, 07:03:00 PM
Jon
Post by: akbowbender on September 21, 2013, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 21, 2013, 07:35:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on September 21, 2013, 07:41:00 PM
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 21, 2013, 08:01:00 PM
Post by: TJK68 on September 21, 2013, 08:14:00 PM
Tom
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/TJK68/629f6630-63b5-40a1-a880-9339316dd113_zps69176838.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/TJK68/media/629f6630-63b5-40a1-a880-9339316dd113_zps69176838.jpg.html)
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/TJK68/c4a60861-06f7-45b5-84fb-d2a5b2887cda_zpse40c1bfa.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/TJK68/media/c4a60861-06f7-45b5-84fb-d2a5b2887cda_zpse40c1bfa.jpg.html)
Post by: akbowbender on September 21, 2013, 08:25:00 PM
Post by: bow loving man on September 21, 2013, 08:37:00 PM
At my 29 1/2" she flat smokes an arrow. Smooth drawing and shooting bow!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/Bowlovingman/image_zps4bc6bcd7.jpg)
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 21, 2013, 08:41:00 PM
Loving man- gorgeous Mist, Steve does it right.
Post by: Mudd on September 21, 2013, 08:54:00 PM
Someone did a great job!!
Nice harem you've got going.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Green on September 21, 2013, 09:03:00 PM
The only thing that ain't right in this photo of my small stable is that the Wesley now belongs to Centex, and I'm on the hunt for another one, but in the 50# range.
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/DSCN0856.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/DSCN0856.jpg.html)
Post by: Mudd on September 21, 2013, 09:17:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JKX1TWA.jpg)
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 21, 2013, 09:21:00 PM
(http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q506/ORShooter1/100_2191_zpsb37da578.jpg) (http://s1161.photobucket.com/user/ORShooter1/media/100_2191_zpsb37da578.jpg.html)
(http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q506/ORShooter1/null_zpsf7ee8344.jpg) (http://s1161.photobucket.com/user/ORShooter1/media/null_zpsf7ee8344.jpg.html)
(http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q506/ORShooter1/null_zpsf241169c.jpg) (http://s1161.photobucket.com/user/ORShooter1/media/null_zpsf241169c.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 21, 2013, 09:40:00 PM
Post by: TJK68 on September 21, 2013, 09:46:00 PM
Yep Mudd, got those two from a buddy of yours, l like the Falcon, just wish it had a straight grip, but a great shooter.
Tom
Post by: Centex on September 21, 2013, 09:59:00 PM
Hey guys what benefits or characteristics are associated with all lams under the riser. Is it a throwback from pre glass designs?
Post by: akbowbender on September 21, 2013, 10:25:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=702n8EWLEP8&feature=youtu.be
Post by: 7 Lakes on September 22, 2013, 11:55:00 AM
Post by: Rossco7002 on September 22, 2013, 12:07:00 PM
(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p485/Ross7002/image_zps3aea6022.jpg) (http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/Ross7002/media/image_zps3aea6022.jpg.html)
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 22, 2013, 09:01:00 PM
Post by: Knawbone on September 22, 2013, 10:25:00 PM
Post by: bowhntineverythingnh03743 on September 23, 2013, 03:59:00 AM
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x344/bowhntineverythingnh03743/85b7b912-d9be-46ab-891a-ad0ec65c268a.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bowhntineverythingnh03743/media/85b7b912-d9be-46ab-891a-ad0ec65c268a.jpg.html)
Cocobolo...osage...bocote
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x344/bowhntineverythingnh03743/null_zps625c59bb.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bowhntineverythingnh03743/media/null_zps625c59bb.jpg.html)
Specs
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x344/bowhntineverythingnh03743/null_zps7784f14a.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bowhntineverythingnh03743/media/null_zps7784f14a.jpg.html)
And I was able to hit the woods tonight with it!
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x344/bowhntineverythingnh03743/null_zpsdfc6c2e1.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bowhntineverythingnh03743/media/null_zpsdfc6c2e1.jpg.html)
Post by: Bud B. on September 23, 2013, 07:22:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on September 23, 2013, 07:27:00 AM
Thanks for sharing.
Hunt hard,hunt smart, draw some blood with it.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Charlie Lamb on September 23, 2013, 11:55:00 AM
Post by: Mike Mongelli on September 23, 2013, 01:03:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 23, 2013, 05:52:00 PM
And Charlie that was just mean
Post by: stik&string on September 23, 2013, 05:53:00 PM
Post by: Butch Speer on September 23, 2013, 10:12:00 PM
Post by: bicster on September 25, 2013, 06:53:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 25, 2013, 07:36:00 AM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on September 25, 2013, 07:46:00 AM
Charlie didn't forget to come back with the story. That's just the ornery showing...... :laughing:
Post by: Charlie Lamb on September 25, 2013, 08:18:00 AM
2013 longbow buck (http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=131824)
Post by: Green on September 26, 2013, 05:04:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Mudd:Yes sir, that would be the one. That's like walking into a camp of nothing but your best hunting bud's. :archer:
Are you talking about this one Green?
(http://i.imgur.com/JKX1TWA.jpg)
God bless,Mudd
Rossco - that Miller's gorgeous.
Not having any luck in my search for a 45-50# Wesley.....thought I'd mention it here for those who don't hit the C'fied's regular-like. :D
14 pages for a Lamb deer kill? Unheard of! :laughing: Congrats Charlie.....that's a great story and a beauty of a buck.
Post by: typical2 on September 26, 2013, 05:35:00 PM
Just when I think I'm over cool limb veneers in favor of classic black and brown glass I look at this bow. I love this too.
This name has been used around here but nothing was more fitting for this bow.
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130926_123605_021_zps952c8e97.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130926_123443_537_zps9fe4f780.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130926_123452_105_zpsb019286d.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130926_123508_479_zpsc2bf6c42.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130926_123526_554_zpsbffce263.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20130926_123708_262_zps41422c1d.jpg)
Post by: iohkus on September 26, 2013, 06:08:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 26, 2013, 07:09:00 PM
Eric
Post by: TJK68 on September 26, 2013, 07:25:00 PM
Congrats.
Tom
Post by: Green on September 26, 2013, 07:26:00 PM
Post by: TxAg on September 26, 2013, 08:14:00 PM
Post by: magnus on September 26, 2013, 08:23:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on September 26, 2013, 08:30:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by magnus:Matt I went back and looked for the "lama".... where did I miss it?....lol
That's beautiful Typical 2. I love being able to see the lama on bows.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: typical2 on September 26, 2013, 08:38:00 PM
Westbrook...thanks and good luck next week. Hopefully you're not too busy with work to get out next week for the opener.
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 26, 2013, 08:59:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 26, 2013, 09:41:00 PM
That's I'd one sexy ,exotic bow. The pics really show the rounded edges and just look sweet!!
Post by: 7 Lakes on September 27, 2013, 06:56:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 27, 2013, 08:31:00 PM
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: Linwood Hines on September 27, 2013, 10:14:00 PM
Post by: Linwood Hines on September 27, 2013, 10:16:00 PM
Post by: magnus on September 27, 2013, 10:29:00 PM
Post by: SportHunter on September 27, 2013, 10:30:00 PM
Post by: Caboo on September 27, 2013, 11:46:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 28, 2013, 08:27:00 AM
Post by: Bud B. on September 28, 2013, 09:34:00 AM
This pic was one shown in the book.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/Equismith/101_1546.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Equismith/media/101_1546.jpg.html)
Post by: Bud B. on September 28, 2013, 09:35:00 AM
If I can, I will re-type the letter in its entirety. It'll take me a while though. I type slow and Howard wrote a good bit.
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 28, 2013, 09:38:00 AM
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P9280002_zps43c98681.jpg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/mandoman_2006/media/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P9280002_zps43c98681.jpg.html)
70" NM Classic, she sends a 630g cedar like a streak!
Good luck to my "Brothers of the inadequate slow shocky Bow" :D
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 28, 2013, 09:48:00 AM
Post by: SportHunter on September 28, 2013, 09:54:00 AM
Thanks for the string info guys.
Post by: Knawbone on September 28, 2013, 10:55:00 AM
Post by: on September 28, 2013, 01:34:00 PM
Post by: Bud B. on September 28, 2013, 01:56:00 PM
Unfortunately one of them was missing half a page of Howard's article.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/Equismith/Magazine%20Pics/101_1568.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Equismith/media/Magazine%20Pics/101_1568.jpg.html)
Post by: Bud B. on September 28, 2013, 01:58:00 PM
Post by: Bud B. on September 28, 2013, 02:00:00 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/Equismith/Magazine%20Pics/101_1565.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Equismith/media/Magazine%20Pics/101_1565.jpg.html)
Post by: Bud B. on September 28, 2013, 02:00:00 PM
Post by: Bud B. on September 28, 2013, 02:02:00 PM
Hopefully you all can read it. Please let me know if the link works and you can read the print.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/Equismith/Magazine%20Pics/101_1570.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Equismith/media/Magazine%20Pics/101_1570.jpg.html)
Post by: Centex on September 28, 2013, 02:52:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by WESTBROOK:Beautiful bow. What poundage? I also shoot a 70" and I like the smooth draw.
Our deer season opens Tuesday, hopefully I'll get some time to spend in the woods. Got a new bow that needs some Mojo on it......
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P9280002_zps43c98681.jpg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/mandoman_2006/media/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P9280002_zps43c98681.jpg.html)
70" NM Classic, she sends a 630g cedar like a streak!
Good luck to my "Brothers of the inadequate slow shocky Bow" :D
Post by: Green on September 28, 2013, 03:22:00 PM
Today turned out to be quite a day. The first of this season's Whitetail hunts is still three hours away, but the Wesley hunt has come to an end. This bow will only be moving south about 3 hours, but I'm grateful to my friend Danny Long (Ric O Shay) for the opportunity to own, shoot, and hunt with her.
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/IMG_1969_zpsfac07e96.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/IMG_1969_zpsfac07e96.jpg.html)
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/IMG_1975_zpse111d153.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/IMG_1975_zpse111d153.jpg.html)
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/IMG_1970_zpsa14d7689.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/IMG_1970_zpsa14d7689.jpg.html)
Post by: Wannabe1 on September 28, 2013, 03:25:00 PM
Post by: magnus on September 28, 2013, 03:31:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 28, 2013, 03:58:00 PM
Centex, I'm really not sure of the weight...lol. Its marked 58# @ 29", but its a little heavier, probably 62-63#. I have other bows that are 60# @ 29 and its heavier than them. I talked to Steve Turay about it at the GLLI and he wanted to take it back and check it out but I declined. I like the extra horsepower, took a couple months to get comfortable with it, the 70" makes it feel easier and its waaayy smooth. I shoots the same 75-80# arrows as my 63# R/D Superior LB and is just as fast.
Eric
Post by: killinstuff on September 28, 2013, 05:29:00 PM
CJ
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 28, 2013, 06:14:00 PM
I've seen a couple barely legal bucks, but not much. We have no farming around here so not much good eatin and bigguns are rare, but does are fine with me.
Glad to see the APR finally, it'll pay off in a couple years. I'm no head hunter by any standard, but I do like to at least see a nice buck once in a while.
Good luck on Tuesday
Eric
Post by: Frank V on September 28, 2013, 07:22:00 PM
My Howard Hill is 60lbs. I've got a Fox 66" LB that's 56lbs. I've been shooting it, & it's gotten comfortable.
Tonight I decided to try my Hill, it's really quiet & shoots right where I look if I do my part. I had to use a bow stringer to string it, but that's no real hinderance & may actually be a help in protecting my bow & myself.
I only took one arrow into the backyard & shot the first arrow at 10 yards. It went right where I looked & the shot & shoulder felt good. I shot 3 more going back a few feet each shot. My last shot was from 24 steps (I'm 6'3") & it went 3" high & spot on for windage. :thumbsup: I 'd go up & pull the arrow each time then shoot again . I didn't want to push things so quit. That bow sure is fun Quiet, fast, & just shoots well. Soooo I'm going to hunt with it again. :goldtooth:
Sure felt good to shoot that one again. Sorry this is rambling, but shooting a favorite bow that you weren't sure you were going to be able to shoot again is cause for joy. :archer2:
Thanks!
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 28, 2013, 08:04:00 PM
Eric
Post by: Pokerdaddy on September 28, 2013, 09:28:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 28, 2013, 10:21:00 PM
Thanks Westbrook....I've looked at your NM many times. That green glass/riser combo is gorgeous. I wish you much success with her this fall!
Post by: TJK68 on September 28, 2013, 10:53:00 PM
Glad everthing is working out with your shoulder Frank and your bow.
Tom
Post by: Berliner on September 29, 2013, 08:00:00 AM
Post by: Green on September 29, 2013, 08:06:00 AM
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/020.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/020.jpg.html)
Post by: Overspined on September 29, 2013, 08:30:00 AM
I have taken a few good ones and lots of does with the Hill style bows though, for quite a few years. I have missed some too!! :archer2:
Good luck michigan Hill shooters! And luck to those out of state as well!
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 29, 2013, 09:31:00 AM
How'd it go out west, everyone come back?...
I thought 2 buck tags was the dumbest thing ever, wish they would roll that back too.
Good luck to ya!
Post by: TxAg on September 29, 2013, 07:20:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 29, 2013, 07:25:00 PM
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/024.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/024.jpg.html)
I keep two bands wrapped around it and cut small cedar boughs when on stand and stick them in there. At arms length it helps keep them from seeing my eyes.
How was your hunt?
Post by: Frank V on September 29, 2013, 08:14:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Green:Never thought of that, good tip, thanks.
One thing I can do Jeff with my bow quiver that I can't do with anything else is to make a bit of a blind with it.
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/024.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/024.jpg.html)
I keep two bands wrapped around it and cut small cedar boughs when on stand and stick them in there. At arms length it helps keep them from seeing my eyes.
How was your hunt?
Post by: TxAg on September 29, 2013, 08:18:00 PM
Post by: Nala on September 29, 2013, 08:32:00 PM
Nalajr
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 29, 2013, 09:02:00 PM
Nala...
Complete with matching Frog tape nock pt..
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P7070013_zps0aa574c6.jpg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/mandoman_2006/media/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P7070013_zps0aa574c6.jpg.html)
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P7070015_zps6843a3fe.jpg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/mandoman_2006/media/Northern%20Mist%20bows/P7070015_zps6843a3fe.jpg.html)
Post by: Green on September 29, 2013, 09:23:00 PM
Yep, that green glass is definitely one of the most eye pleasing colors.
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 29, 2013, 09:35:00 PM
Post by: TxAg on September 29, 2013, 10:35:00 PM
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Originally posted by Green:Negative. I think it may be in orbit :)
"poked a porcupine". Get your arrow back? :laughing:
Yep, that green glass is definitely one of the most eye pleasing colors.
Post by: Green on September 30, 2013, 05:03:00 AM
Eric - no change in spine with woodies for me. It gives the bow a different balance point, but you adapt to it within a few arrows.
Post by: 3Under on September 30, 2013, 06:19:00 AM
"Like your Green NM Classic",its simlar to my TD Shelton. I've been thinking about a NM Classic too! :archer2:
Larry
Post by: Linwood Hines on September 30, 2013, 09:16:00 AM
Post by: Overspined on September 30, 2013, 09:22:00 AM
Post by: Overspined on September 30, 2013, 10:03:00 AM
Post by: Frank V on September 30, 2013, 11:11:00 AM
I'm up to about 15 arrows now without any discomfort with my Hill ;)
Post by: TxAg on September 30, 2013, 05:23:00 PM
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Originally posted by Frank V:Not a lot of good trees to spare around here. Too bad it wasn't assaulting all the mesquites...might've gotten a pass. Here's a pic.
Porcupines are a good target for the bow. Here most ranchers really don't like them. Once you see a cow or horse with a nose full of quills & the dead trees they leave you'd understand.
I'm up to about 15 arrows now without any discomfort with my Hill ;)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fxj0V5cxKK0/UkiVBOzlO0I/AAAAAAAAEQY/nxU09NwtiIQ/s800/IMG_1407.JPG)
Post by: Frank V on September 30, 2013, 06:27:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 30, 2013, 07:17:00 PM
Post by: TJK68 on September 30, 2013, 09:33:00 PM
Tom
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/TJK68/b6001a58-d83f-4a90-a7f8-c767e44f6416_zpsb3421e43.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/TJK68/media/b6001a58-d83f-4a90-a7f8-c767e44f6416_zpsb3421e43.jpg.html)
Post by: Knawbone on September 30, 2013, 09:43:00 PM
Post by: Knawbone on September 30, 2013, 10:01:00 PM
Post by: magnus on September 30, 2013, 10:12:00 PM
Really liking the green and red glass on those bows!
Post by: Frank V on September 30, 2013, 10:17:00 PM
That is a nice looking bow.
Post by: TxAg on September 30, 2013, 10:18:00 PM
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Originally posted by magnus:Matt,
I'd love to get my hands on some of those porcupine quills. If any of you southern bows get another one keep me in mind please.
Really liking the green and red glass on those bows!
PM me exactly what you're looking for and when I go back out there in two weeks I'll get plenty for you. I left the hide in an easily accessible place and I don't expect much to bother it
Post by: toddster on October 01, 2013, 02:03:00 AM
Post by: bicster on October 01, 2013, 04:19:00 AM
Post by: Green on October 01, 2013, 04:58:00 AM
Matt - whatcha gonna do with those quills? If you're gonna torture the kids would you mind taking video on your iphone? :laughing:
Post by: TJK68 on October 01, 2013, 09:52:00 AM
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Originally posted by bicster:Bic,
Cool looking bow Tom. Who made your backquiver?
That particular one is made by Steve at Northern Mist.
Tom
Post by: David Mitchell on October 01, 2013, 10:09:00 AM
Post by: TJK68 on October 01, 2013, 10:30:00 AM
Tom
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 01, 2013, 05:42:00 PM
Post by: TJK68 on October 01, 2013, 05:51:00 PM
Tom
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 01, 2013, 06:06:00 PM
I keep waiting to see the Christmas bow with greeen and red glass!!!
Post by: Green on October 01, 2013, 06:38:00 PM
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/003-1.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/003-1.jpg.html)
Post by: Wannabe1 on October 01, 2013, 06:40:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 01, 2013, 07:05:00 PM
Post by: Wannabe1 on October 01, 2013, 07:37:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 01, 2013, 07:47:00 PM
Post by: magnus on October 01, 2013, 07:55:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 01, 2013, 08:14:00 PM
Post by: TxAg on October 01, 2013, 08:19:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 01, 2013, 08:27:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on October 02, 2013, 04:57:00 AM
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Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:hey charlie! we been waiting!! please finish the rest of the story!!!
You guys know how I love to just jump right to the point in my stories, but I've got a lot of running to do so this will have to wait until evening. (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/IMG_0397n427x640n.jpg)
Post by: Bud B. on October 02, 2013, 05:48:00 AM
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Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:
In case anyone missed it on the main forum here is a link to the story.
2013 longbow buck (http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=131824)
Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 02, 2013, 09:21:00 AM
Post by: Centex on October 02, 2013, 10:47:00 AM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on October 02, 2013, 07:14:00 PM
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Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:ouch! it sucks when crs strikes. cool kill, charlie!
I think you missed it buddy. I did a separate thread as listed by by BudB.
Post by: Frank V on October 02, 2013, 07:57:00 PM
Post by: WarDancer on October 03, 2013, 03:45:00 PM
Post by: jeffg on October 03, 2013, 05:21:00 PM
Post by: WarDancer on October 03, 2013, 05:47:00 PM
Post by: Wannabe1 on October 04, 2013, 12:30:00 AM
Post by: TJK68 on October 04, 2013, 12:33:00 AM
Tom
Post by: TJK68 on October 04, 2013, 10:14:00 AM
Tom
Post by: two4hooking on October 04, 2013, 10:59:00 AM
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/018_zpsaed10d8a.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/018_zpsaed10d8a.jpg.html)
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/20130819_214741_zpsf95cf4d5.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/20130819_214741_zpsf95cf4d5.jpg.html)
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 04, 2013, 05:33:00 PM
Eric
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h121/mandoman_2006/Arrows/P7160002_zpsf2b67c9d.jpg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/mandoman_2006/media/Arrows/P7160002_zpsf2b67c9d.jpg.html)
Post by: Green on October 04, 2013, 06:47:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 04, 2013, 07:10:00 PM
Those are some of those hard to find 77-80# cedars.
Post by: Green on October 04, 2013, 08:22:00 PM
Post by: Wannabe1 on October 04, 2013, 10:28:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 05, 2013, 12:47:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/null_zpsb35dd5be.jpg)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/null_zpsbd82d22e.jpg)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/null_zpsf7e6e13f.jpg)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 05, 2013, 04:35:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 05, 2013, 04:37:00 PM
http://youtu.be/fWEr__vkN70
Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 05, 2013, 06:02:00 PM
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_1708.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_1708.jpg.html)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_1710.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_1710.jpg.html) (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_1712.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_1712.jpg.html)
Post by: magnus on October 05, 2013, 07:21:00 PM
Post by: lone hunter on October 05, 2013, 08:33:00 PM
Post by: Butch Speer on October 05, 2013, 09:25:00 PM
Beautiful bow! what is the riser on that?
Post by: Rossco7002 on October 05, 2013, 10:12:00 PM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 06, 2013, 08:21:00 AM
Matt- I was able to get this one back because Rob bought my Wesley. I think he is happy with it.
Post by: magnus on October 06, 2013, 08:25:00 AM
Post by: Rossco7002 on October 06, 2013, 08:32:00 AM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 06, 2013, 08:34:00 AM
Post by: magnus on October 06, 2013, 09:19:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 06, 2013, 11:13:00 AM
That's a gorgeous bow
Post by: Green on October 06, 2013, 12:04:00 PM
Again, Thank You so much for the opportunity to own this Wesley! It's a beautiful shooting bow, and spent the evening on stand last night. No Whitetails were seen, but I do intend to take at least one with it this season.
This bow begs for silence! Actually, I (once again) grew tired of the noise shooting 3Under makes and went back to split. The sound of silence from a Hill bow is one of life's great pleasures!
Post by: Moots on October 06, 2013, 09:19:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on October 07, 2013, 01:13:00 AM
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Originally posted by Rossco7002:Make sure you ask for the wood you really want. There is light yew and dark yew. Female and male. If you don't specify you may end up with a much lighter bow than you expected! I have a preference for the dark yew like on Brian's bow, but have seen some nice light yew as well! I have a hard time with picking between dark bamboo and yew...both are good performers. I am a fan of one or the other and would stay away from mixing them at this point. Yew dents easier though so it's good to treat it well.
I really like the look of the woods in Brian's new bow! I'd really like to get myself a yew limbed Hill bow with dark myrtle riser and brown glass...
Post by: Overspined on October 07, 2013, 01:15:00 AM
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Originally posted by lone hunter:Way to jump in with both feet!!!
That's a fine looking bow Danny, looks brand new. I'll be able to join the HH gang next week. Mr Berry says my Morningstar will be ready mid-week. Couple weeks after that, I'll get my Vixen.
Post by: Rossco7002 on October 07, 2013, 07:45:00 AM
I have a lighter coloured Half Breed but have really got a thing for the dark, redish yew under brown glass backing and white glass belly...
Post by: TJK68 on October 07, 2013, 03:17:00 PM
Tom
Post by: jeffg on October 07, 2013, 03:42:00 PM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 07, 2013, 03:47:00 PM
He suspects a tick bite problem. Muscle aches, low grade fever, severe chills.
Keep him in your thoughts.
Post by: Bud B. on October 07, 2013, 04:04:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 07, 2013, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: SportHunter on October 07, 2013, 05:07:00 PM
First two Hill style bows are 56@28, drawn to 27", fast flight string, thinking of using broadheads from 125 - 175 grain.
Second set up is for 50-53# @28" Hill style bows with b50 string, 27" draw.
I have a few 50# spine woods and a few 60# spine woods and i can't tell much difference yet. Any insight would be appreciated before i order up some material. Thanks! Paul
Post by: Bud B. on October 07, 2013, 06:03:00 PM
I'd think 29" 2016s would work for both if you vary the tip like you want. 125-175.
Post by: Ifrit617 on October 07, 2013, 06:12:00 PM
By the way, your post on your dads bow was what caused me to buy my seven lakes bow, so thanks for the tip! From order to delivery was only 3 weeks!
Jon
Post by: Bud B. on October 07, 2013, 06:28:00 PM
1916 should do well. Just have some different tips to try from 100 up to 175 but I'm thinkng the 100-125 will be in the ballpark.
Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 07, 2013, 08:45:00 PM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 07, 2013, 11:26:00 PM
The ferrule is nice and slick but the name isn't very pronounced. The grind is kind of rough (I can deal with that) but at the heel of the blade they got a little heavy with the grinder and that took off some of the width and I could have done without that.
Anyway, they are what they are. I modified them the way I like.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/Hillbroadheadbarbed.JPG)
Post by: far rider on October 08, 2013, 02:18:00 AM
Went back and caught your buck thread Charlie, nice job, and a really nice deer. As always, a joy to read.
Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 08, 2013, 07:47:00 AM
"I modified them they way I like."
Did that include removing the lip that touches the ferrule at the heel of the blade? Or is that the way Craig is making them now?
Just curious,
Danny
Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 08, 2013, 11:34:00 AM
If they don't end up sticking in the ground and the deer carries it off there is a good chance the barbs will snag on brush and pull the arrow out of the wound.
That was Howard's wisdom and I tend to listen to him on these things.
:readit:
Post by: Butch Speer on October 08, 2013, 11:41:00 AM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 08, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
Butch, good to hear that Roy is doing better. Prayers do work! :thumbsup:
Post by: Linwood Hines on October 08, 2013, 12:53:00 PM
Hey, can y'all send me some deer mojo. Sat in the hot ground stand all day, on known trails, and not a sign of a deer. Cold front came thru, and some rain, hoping my luck will change, but some help from you guys will be appreciated.
Prayers to Mudd.
Post by: Moots on October 08, 2013, 01:05:00 PM
Post by: JDBerry on October 08, 2013, 01:10:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 08, 2013, 01:15:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 08, 2013, 06:20:00 PM
Post by: TJK68 on October 08, 2013, 06:45:00 PM
Tom
Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 08, 2013, 08:30:00 PM
Not a problem here. :thumbsup:
Post by: ChrisM on October 08, 2013, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on October 08, 2013, 10:02:00 PM
James: Not sure who's the bigger character, you or Roy!
How's Pluto doing? I didn't get a moose this year, so he'll have to make it on kibbles!
Post by: RC on October 08, 2013, 11:44:00 PM
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_0149_zps1dca626d.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/IMG_0149_zps1dca626d.jpg.html)
Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 08, 2013, 11:48:00 PM
Only took a few minutes.
Post by: far rider on October 09, 2013, 12:15:00 AM
Post by: Green on October 09, 2013, 05:00:00 AM
Post by: Irish Archer on October 09, 2013, 04:19:00 PM
Post by: Butch Speer on October 09, 2013, 04:46:00 PM
You gonna de-populate the entire stat of Georgia! Way to go.
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 09, 2013, 09:24:00 PM
That bow learns quick. :thumbsup:
Eric
Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 09, 2013, 09:45:00 PM
:saywhat:
Post by: lone hunter on October 10, 2013, 09:20:00 AM
Post by: Moots on October 10, 2013, 01:16:00 PM
Which bow model are you choosing? That was the challenge I had.
Moots
Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 10, 2013, 02:17:00 PM
That has yet to be determined. BUT, I'm on the list!
:bigsmyl:
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 10, 2013, 06:37:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 10, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
I must say that a mutual friend of ours who is seriously jealous of the "Tuxedo Wesley", is probably going to have one made just like it.....only 20# heavier. Lol.
Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 10, 2013, 09:34:00 PM
If the "mutual friend" does make that order, we both know he will be very pleased. The thing about Craig is the wait won't be very long. From the time I placed the order for the Tembo until it was at my front door was just under three weeks.
Post by: Green on October 11, 2013, 05:38:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 11, 2013, 10:42:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/null_zpsc44a164e.jpg)
JD berry Northstar with Beman centershot 400s tipped with 175 VPAs
Post by: akbowbender on October 12, 2013, 12:08:00 AM
Jake only shoots one of my bows occationally, and has never shot one of my longbows.
I had him sling up the back quiver, and gave him my Misty Dawn. He knew how to do the quiver bump, and drawing the arrow by the nock, since he filmed my recent video.
Anyway, he started shooting at leaves. You'd have thought he had been shooting all the time with the way he was laying them in there!
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/20131011_165856_zps29dc6003.jpg)
Maybe I'll have a shooting partner after all!
Post by: JDBerry on October 12, 2013, 12:12:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on October 12, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 12, 2013, 04:33:00 PM
I am finding that they just always fly well no matter the release or wind. I'm happy with them.
And thanks
Post by: moebow on October 12, 2013, 04:40:00 PM
Arne
Post by: TJK68 on October 12, 2013, 05:44:00 PM
Tom
Post by: magnus on October 12, 2013, 06:02:00 PM
Post by: canopyboy on October 12, 2013, 06:10:00 PM
One of these days I'm gonna get me a shot at something bigger. (And maybe a new camera phone with out a blurred lens...)
Post by: canopyboy on October 12, 2013, 06:19:00 PM
Post by: magnus on October 12, 2013, 06:41:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on October 12, 2013, 07:22:00 PM
@David - which Miller are you going for buddy?
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 12, 2013, 08:29:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 13, 2013, 07:42:00 AM
Post by: MikeNova on October 13, 2013, 07:49:00 AM
Post by: canopyboy on October 13, 2013, 08:04:00 AM
@ Rossco - The split bamboo. Talked to Dave at length about that vs. the Concave/Convex Hawk. He basically talked me out of the Hawk.
Post by: moebow on October 13, 2013, 08:04:00 AM
Fully 90% of my personal shooting these days are "demo" shots for students usually done at an indoor 20 yards range so these should fill the bill nicely. Will let you all know what I think but can't imagine that a Berry bow will be anything BUT absolutely perfect.
Arne
Post by: Rossco7002 on October 13, 2013, 09:10:00 AM
Dave has told me that he feels the split bamboo is the sweetest shooting bow he makes. I really agonized over a choice between the Hawk or the Expedition - must have changed my mind 20 times while I waited form my spot on the list to come up! Lol
What sold you on the split bamboo?
My next Miller is likely to be an all natural bamboo and yew - I love how they look!
Post by: Moots on October 13, 2013, 01:21:00 PM
Post by: Moots on October 13, 2013, 02:11:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/eR7nTS6.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RKskMFU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YDpkCQx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/eNMrgLC.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6uQPjj8.jpg)
Post by: far rider on October 14, 2013, 12:50:00 AM
Post by: mbugland on October 14, 2013, 11:33:00 PM
Tip protectors for these skinny tips. What are you using or making. Looking through the great collections there appears to be a variety of different things adorning the tips of all your bows (some with nothing at all) I can't seem to find them skinny enough. I'm too cheap to blindly buy them, and can't seem to make the pinkie tips of gloves work for anything more than string keepers.
I now have two bare wesley specials that I want to get something on to protect them since I am as clumsy as they come.
Your thoughts and insight are greatly appreciated.
Post by: TJK68 on October 14, 2013, 11:50:00 PM
Tom
Post by: Rossco7002 on October 15, 2013, 08:36:00 AM
Post by: blinds on October 15, 2013, 08:51:00 AM
Post by: bicster on October 15, 2013, 09:02:00 AM
Post by: Green on October 15, 2013, 09:42:00 AM
Post by: centaur on October 15, 2013, 02:47:00 PM
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/HDRturkey_zps3fd93bbe.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/HDRturkey_zps3fd93bbe.jpg.html)
Post by: TJK68 on October 15, 2013, 02:54:00 PM
Tom
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 15, 2013, 04:21:00 PM
Post by: Wannabe1 on October 15, 2013, 04:34:00 PM
Post by: RC on October 15, 2013, 04:45:00 PM
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_0205_zps97aa0856.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/IMG_0205_zps97aa0856.jpg.html)
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/IMG_0178_zps36a8f42a.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/IMG_0178_zps36a8f42a.jpg.html)
Post by: Irish Archer on October 15, 2013, 04:51:00 PM
Post by: Wannabe1 on October 15, 2013, 05:00:00 PM
Post by: TJK68 on October 15, 2013, 05:14:00 PM
Tom
Post by: Moots on October 15, 2013, 05:25:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 15, 2013, 06:24:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 15, 2013, 07:00:00 PM
That's a great photo!
Eric
Post by: bsv on October 15, 2013, 08:26:00 PM
Burt
Post by: Bud B. on October 15, 2013, 08:28:00 PM
Congrats Sir. You are a very blessed man for sure.
Post by: far rider on October 15, 2013, 08:38:00 PM
RC....dag gone....you are making those of us without the time right now look really REALLY bad! Congrats....AGAIN!!!!
Post by: mbugland on October 15, 2013, 08:54:00 PM
~Break//Break~
Great job on the Turkey Centaur.
and one beautiful Ga Buck RC. that's bigger than anything I saw when I was in those parts, years ago. Definitely making me itch for the woods.
Post by: RC on October 15, 2013, 08:56:00 PM
Post by: RC on October 15, 2013, 09:12:00 PM
Post by: wislnwings on October 15, 2013, 10:28:00 PM
Post by: Bob B. on October 15, 2013, 11:29:00 PM
Nice buck RC.
:archer:
Bob.
Post by: canopyboy on October 16, 2013, 03:57:00 PM
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Originally posted by RC:I love that sentiment. Made me laugh. And if was made for killing, it appears to have been made well....
It is paint and I could`nt tell you if it will come off or not. It was a tad shiny and it was made for killing.RC
Post by: canopyboy on October 16, 2013, 04:32:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rossco7002:Dave himself sold me on the split. He said if you had both versions at the same specs side by side, you probably would not be able to tell which one was which by looking at them. And most people couldn't tell the difference shooting them at the lower draw weights (under 70-80#). They are both smooth being made from bamboo and being tillered the same. The CCCV bow would have a very slight performance edge over the flat laminations at my 55# draw weight, but if I wanted the last drop of performance, I wouldn't be looking at an all wood/boo bow. He said that things do change at higher draw weights, you see a little more delta in the performance. He also thought there was a touch more stability in the CCCV design, allowing Howard to keep the heavier weight bows thinner compared to a split.
Very cool buddy!
Dave has told me that he feels the split bamboo is the sweetest shooting bow he makes. I really agonized over a choice between the Hawk or the Expedition - must have changed my mind 20 times while I waited form my spot on the list to come up! Lol
What sold you on the split bamboo?
My next Miller is likely to be an all natural bamboo and yew - I love how they look!
So he basically had me convinced that I probably couldn't tell the difference at 55# and that he'd recommend I go with the split bamboo and keep the extra money for another bow down the road. Who am I to argue with the man on this point?
Post by: ChrisM on October 16, 2013, 09:44:00 PM
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa443/ChrisMancill/20131007_196.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/ChrisMancill/media/20131007_196.jpg.html)
Post by: magnus on October 16, 2013, 09:54:00 PM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 16, 2013, 10:05:00 PM
Danny
Post by: Rossco7002 on October 16, 2013, 10:25:00 PM
How long is the wait time for a Miller bow now! He was over a year when I took delivery of my Expedition in the Spring...
Post by: Green on October 17, 2013, 06:54:00 AM
There is so much that goes on in this thread with its' contributors and new bows, quivers, etc. we need a smiley that says Congrats, Great Job on the order, Good Luck, and Enjoy the Hedoubletoothpicks out of it! :D
Post by: canopyboy on October 17, 2013, 08:35:00 AM
I didn't ask for a delivery estimate -- I told him there was no rush. But he's had my money since January and said he thought that was too long so he'd work me in sooner than later. So, I don't know if I'll get the bow in a month or two or sometime next year.
Post by: TJK68 on October 17, 2013, 12:17:00 PM
Tom
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/TJK68/14b6d806-d738-4635-b8b4-547534d21779_zps3541e53e.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/TJK68/media/14b6d806-d738-4635-b8b4-547534d21779_zps3541e53e.jpg.html)
Post by: centaur on October 17, 2013, 12:36:00 PM
Post by: dragonheart on October 17, 2013, 12:45:00 PM
Post by: Knawbone on October 17, 2013, 08:02:00 PM
Post by: magnus on October 17, 2013, 08:06:00 PM
Post by: far rider on October 18, 2013, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: ZaneD on October 18, 2013, 08:41:00 PM
I was hunting in surry county VA, equipment specs are:
68" big Five, string follow profile, 55# @ 29", tapered cedar shafts from the nocking point, Magnus two blade and a safari tuff quiver.
Here's my trophy, first kill with a wooden arrow.
(http:// [img]http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y432/Zgdavis1392/ResizedImage_1382140978802_zps4e84020f.jpg)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 18, 2013, 08:52:00 PM
Post by: far rider on October 18, 2013, 08:54:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 18, 2013, 08:55:00 PM
Post by: magnus on October 18, 2013, 08:58:00 PM
Post by: Irish Archer on October 18, 2013, 09:24:00 PM
Post by: Wannabe1 on October 18, 2013, 11:45:00 PM
Post by: Butch Speer on October 19, 2013, 12:20:00 AM
Way to go!
Post by: Centex on October 20, 2013, 04:06:00 PM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 20, 2013, 05:44:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 20, 2013, 07:34:00 PM
Post by: MikeM on October 20, 2013, 09:56:00 PM
Post by: Centex on October 20, 2013, 10:36:00 PM
Post by: Nala on October 20, 2013, 10:53:00 PM
I don't have a Hill bow....yet, but I am going to get one soon. I love seeing all the great looking bows in this thread. I wish someone would've went back and got all the pics and put those on a page to browse.
Thanks
Nalajr
Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 21, 2013, 08:21:00 AM
Asbell covers the very issue you asked about in his books. With me, I focus on where I want to hit as I draw. When I get to my anchor point, the arrow is gone.
Anchor is kind of a misnomer. I don't "hold" as the term anchor might indicate. It is a point to which I draw and when I get there, the arrow is away.
Some might call it snap shooting, but it isn't. There is a lot more going on that is wrong when a person snap shoots.
Danny
Post by: centaur on October 21, 2013, 08:33:00 AM
Post by: Bud B. on October 21, 2013, 09:04:00 AM
Post by: Rossco7002 on October 21, 2013, 09:09:00 AM
Post by: GreyGoose on October 21, 2013, 09:23:00 AM
Post by: bicster on October 21, 2013, 09:43:00 AM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 21, 2013, 11:35:00 AM
http://youtu.be/fWEr__vkN70
On movers or aerials I can and do shoot faster, but targets and MOST hunting situations its like te above
Post by: Centex on October 21, 2013, 01:13:00 PM
Post by: Wannabe1 on October 21, 2013, 01:22:00 PM
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I hold and aim. My shots are all over the place if I shoot fast.This is my method also. I don't care how much I practice it, if pull up and release, there ain't no telling where that arrow might end up! :D :rolleyes:
Post by: Moots on October 21, 2013, 02:07:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on October 21, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: LongStick64 on October 21, 2013, 05:02:00 PM
Rotational draw
Push Towards target
Firm Anchor
Even Release
I don't hold more than as I feel a solid anchor, that is my trigger. As I rotate back and push to the target I am settling in. At anchor I'm on.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 21, 2013, 05:46:00 PM
Post by: MikeNova on October 21, 2013, 06:12:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 21, 2013, 06:47:00 PM
Hopefully soon
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 21, 2013, 06:54:00 PM
Eric
Post by: Bud B. on October 21, 2013, 10:27:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 22, 2013, 04:43:00 AM
Post by: nineworlds9 on October 22, 2013, 02:39:00 PM
70" lefty ~50@28. Teak riser, bamboo core with cocobolo center lam, black glass back, clear glass belly, whale baleen tip overlays...
#5 of 50...
Named after a certain Mediterranean breeze ;)
Used to have a stingray wrap but has been switched to elk by Craig, had the grip dished, and high gloss put on...ohh yeah...
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps89c2e862.jpg)
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 22, 2013, 09:04:00 PM
Post by: MikeNova on October 23, 2013, 10:58:00 AM
Post by: Bob B. on October 23, 2013, 01:13:00 PM
Good luck to all, keep an eye on the upcoming hunter's moon.
Bob.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 23, 2013, 01:59:00 PM
Post by: MikeNova on October 23, 2013, 02:37:00 PM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 24, 2013, 09:44:00 AM
Post by: ron w on October 24, 2013, 03:49:00 PM
Post by: MikeNova on October 24, 2013, 05:13:00 PM
Post by: Centex on October 24, 2013, 09:13:00 PM
Post by: Wannabe1 on October 24, 2013, 09:39:00 PM
Post by: magnus on October 24, 2013, 09:44:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 25, 2013, 07:07:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 25, 2013, 07:09:00 AM
When I get back into town ill take some picks of my plains quiver., I use my side stalker the most but the plains quiver is a close 2 nd
Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 25, 2013, 07:16:00 AM
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Originally posted by Green:Rob -
Yep, neat picture. Tell Cy he needs to wait till that "bullseye" quarters away slightly. :eek:
I was thinking the same thing. :bigsmyl:
Post by: centaur on October 25, 2013, 09:06:00 AM
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Originally posted by Wannabe1:I use a SafariTuff; sort of a 'plains style' in modern dress.
Does anyone hunt with a "plains style" quiver with your Hill/Hill style bow? If so, got pics? :)
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_0424_zps36d3767e.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_0424_zps36d3767e.jpg.html)
I am thinking about getting a leather one, like the one Raptor Archery sells.
Post by: Wannabe1 on October 25, 2013, 11:18:00 AM
Post by: Centex on October 25, 2013, 03:02:00 PM
Post by: Knawbone on October 25, 2013, 06:58:00 PM
Took this spike horn Thursday night with my 65" Cheetah, cedar shaft and Eskimo head.
Post by: Green on October 25, 2013, 07:02:00 PM
Post by: Knawbone on October 25, 2013, 07:08:00 PM
18 to 20 yrd shot- lungs/ liver, 70yrd recovery
Post by: Wannabe1 on October 25, 2013, 07:10:00 PM
Post by: MikeNova on October 25, 2013, 07:16:00 PM
Post by: magnus on October 25, 2013, 08:20:00 PM
Post by: MikeNova on October 25, 2013, 08:46:00 PM
Post by: far rider on October 25, 2013, 08:48:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 25, 2013, 08:55:00 PM
Post by: Butch Speer on October 25, 2013, 09:42:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on October 25, 2013, 09:43:00 PM
Post by: Butch Speer on October 25, 2013, 09:45:00 PM
Same thing happened to me. You can't hardly use anything but two blade heads and you need to be real careful putting them in the quiver. that soft leather cuts pretty easy.
Post by: Irish Archer on October 26, 2013, 12:57:00 AM
Post by: Bud B. on October 26, 2013, 04:14:00 AM
Congrats Dave. Those pictures remind me of seeing hanging deer when I was a kid huntin' with my Dad in Laurel Springs, NC. A local small motel had a second level. You would always see deer hanging from the second story walkway railing by afternoon on opening day. Sadly those days are past and the motel is no there more.
Post by: Ric O'Shay on October 26, 2013, 10:03:00 AM
Post by: Kelly on October 26, 2013, 11:05:00 AM
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Originally posted by ron w:Rik is doing well and coming out with a new eMagazine, check it out. http://www.ilongbow.com/
Hey, has anyone heard from Rik Hinton.....?I was thinking about his posts on the old Hill thread. He had great tales and good photos.......
Post by: nineworlds9 on October 26, 2013, 11:18:00 AM
Post by: Knawbone on October 26, 2013, 12:58:00 PM
Post by: TJK68 on October 26, 2013, 01:56:00 PM
Tom
Post by: ron w on October 26, 2013, 03:38:00 PM
Post by: ron w on October 26, 2013, 03:38:00 PM
Post by: Bowboy_AR on October 26, 2013, 04:45:00 PM
64" Northern Mist Whisper
(http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o553/jtlup/d5b32566-0aee-47ba-a79d-47a96cfc22b3.jpg) (http://s1147.photobucket.com/user/jtlup/media/d5b32566-0aee-47ba-a79d-47a96cfc22b3.jpg.html)
Post by: Green on October 26, 2013, 06:41:00 PM
Post by: Bud B. on October 26, 2013, 08:32:00 PM
I had the 7 Lakes in hand tonight with two deer behind me at 20 feet. Hunting from the ground. The honeysuckle kept me from shooting 'cause it was waaaaay thick. I could only see their feet and glimpses of them. I think it was two doe, but not sure. Funny thing is they were straight downwind of me and never blew, snorted, ran, stomped, or anything except meandered along their merry way at a slow pace.
Tomorrow....you're only a day away. :)
Post by: MikeNova on October 26, 2013, 09:14:00 PM
Post by: Wannabe1 on October 26, 2013, 09:21:00 PM
Post by: Knawbone on October 27, 2013, 10:34:00 AM
Post by: canopyboy on October 27, 2013, 08:05:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/bUEB20x.jpg)
But still, first thing in the freezer that wasn't a squirrel with a hill bow. Not the prettiest shot ever made, but the deer was recovered so all is well. Feeling good about the next few weeks though....
Post by: Wannabe1 on October 27, 2013, 08:08:00 PM
Post by: far rider on October 27, 2013, 08:14:00 PM
Post by: canopyboy on October 27, 2013, 08:14:00 PM
My dad always said hunting blacktails in OR, they'd take the hindquarters and the backstraps. Nothing else was worth it. Now I know what he meant.
My congrats to Dave and Jason as well. Hope to join you with a full sized deer soon enough.
Post by: Knawbone on October 27, 2013, 08:23:00 PM
Post by: Jon Kaw on October 27, 2013, 09:07:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/GWQJKHM.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Qz4MeaM.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kkgWszf.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/IBnQ3ey.jpg)
I've taken it into the woods a few times this season but no luck yet. It's good to see all the successful Hill bow hunts out there. :clapper:
Good luck to everyone.
Post by: far rider on October 27, 2013, 09:14:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on October 27, 2013, 09:18:00 PM
Post by: Wannabe1 on October 27, 2013, 10:09:00 PM
Post by: jsparky93 on October 27, 2013, 11:45:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 28, 2013, 05:10:00 AM
Post by: TJK68 on October 28, 2013, 09:38:00 AM
Tom
Post by: Butch Speer on October 30, 2013, 06:38:00 AM
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Originally posted by jsparky93:Sounds like you've caught Hillbowitis. Luckily, there's no cure. Enjoy yourself!
Watched some youtube video's of John Schultz earlier tonight. Then I started looking at some of the beautiful hill style bows on this thread & now I think I have the HH bug. I am really enjoying this thread.
Post by: Owlmagnet on October 30, 2013, 10:34:00 PM
I liked the spruce, but I seem to be pretty hard on them. (high casualty rate, over time) I think I will have to work at it to break one of these baseball bats! For what it's worth, it seemed like the ash shafts were tougher to get straight, initially, but they seem to be staying that way. They also seem to take a little longer to come out of paradox, but that's just a feeling; I have no scientific way to measure that. Both species of wood have the same spine and appear to fly equally well out of the same bow.
I hope someone might find these casual observations of use.
Post by: TxAg on October 30, 2013, 10:36:00 PM
Maybe mine is too short, but i find it hard to do with consistency.
Post by: Vesty on October 31, 2013, 11:12:00 AM
Post by: Centex on October 31, 2013, 02:49:00 PM
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Originally posted by Owlmagnet:Thanks for the post as I looking to switch from POC to Douglas Fir. Where did you buy the ash?
Man, I hate when this thread slips to page two. So, doing my part, I thought I would mention that I recently went from sitka spruce arrows to ash. From a 425 grain finished arrow to a 630 grain finished arrow. Out of my Tembo, from 9.5gpp up to 14gpp. I'm sure it will take awhile to reprogram my "subconscious ballistic computer", but I have to admit that the bow is quieter and, at least out to 15 yards, or so, I haven't noticed much difference in trajectory. They also drive a bit deeper into the grass mat I use for routine practice.
I liked the spruce, but I seem to be pretty hard on them. (high casualty rate, over time) I think I will have to work at it to break one of these baseball bats! For what it's worth, it seemed like the ash shafts were tougher to get straight, initially, but they seem to be staying that way. They also seem to take a little longer to come out of paradox, but that's just a feeling; I have no scientific way to measure that. Both species of wood have the same spine and appear to fly equally well out of the same bow.
I hope someone might find these casual observations of use.
Post by: Owlmagnet on October 31, 2013, 03:46:00 PM
Douglas Fir, without question, makes a fine arrow. Best of luck to you.
Post by: jeffg on October 31, 2013, 05:37:00 PM
Post by: RC on October 31, 2013, 06:12:00 PM
Post by: 2treks on November 01, 2013, 06:48:00 AM
Is that to let the snakes in or out? :scared:
The Big Mike is 80" tall I think. Barronett blinds
Post by: Mudd on November 01, 2013, 07:38:00 AM
It doesn't matter where or what your shooting out of, you can't forgot where "everything" is in relation to all of your bow.(tips included)
These kind of thoughts seem to get lost when live critters show up on the scene..lol
God bless,Mudd
Post by: jeffg on November 01, 2013, 08:54:00 AM
Post by: TxAg on November 01, 2013, 09:05:00 AM
Post by: ron w on November 02, 2013, 03:44:00 PM
Post by: Green on November 02, 2013, 07:57:00 PM
Post by: far rider on November 02, 2013, 08:12:00 PM
(http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/customwesley15.jpg) (http://s894.photobucket.com/user/timwsmith/media/customwesley15.jpg.html)
Post by: JohnHV on November 02, 2013, 08:36:00 PM
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n261/John_V_2006/Archery/shelton.jpg) (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/John_V_2006/media/Archery/shelton.jpg.html)
Post by: Bob B. on November 02, 2013, 08:56:00 PM
Bob
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 02, 2013, 10:46:00 PM
Post by: JohnHV on November 03, 2013, 03:56:00 PM
Post by: Jacquesbonin on November 03, 2013, 05:58:00 PM
Post by: magnus on November 03, 2013, 06:28:00 PM
Post by: far rider on November 03, 2013, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: Green on November 04, 2013, 05:37:00 AM
Post by: Irish Archer on November 04, 2013, 07:02:00 AM
What are the woods used in that Wesley photo? Sweet bow!
Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 04, 2013, 09:07:00 AM
Let me say that now it has found a home down here in Texas. It looked a little frazzled from its 6 day trip from Missouri to Texas (due to a zip code number being transposed). But a good cleaning and a new rusk colored pigskin grip and she looks good as new.
I'll post up a few pics of this poor unwanted (until now) step child later this afternoon.
Danny
Post by: Pat B. on November 04, 2013, 09:19:00 AM
What is the riser wood, core, and veneers on your bow.. It's a good looker !
Post by: JohnHV on November 04, 2013, 11:28:00 AM
The Shelton pictured is a 66" two-piece take-down (connexion) 53# @ 28".
Limbs are carmelized bamboo cores and American Elm veneers.
Bocote riser with a slightly dished grip.
I added the leather grip and the beaver tail strike plate.
I had Steve tiller her for 3-under.
She is good looking, quiet and throws a heavy arrow.
What more could you ask for in a hunting companion? :)
Post by: RC on November 04, 2013, 12:41:00 PM
Post by: Ron Roehrick on November 04, 2013, 01:27:00 PM
Post by: TJK68 on November 04, 2013, 01:29:00 PM
Tom
Post by: far rider on November 04, 2013, 03:24:00 PM
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Originally posted by Irish Archer:Hey Irish,
Hey rider,
What are the woods used in that Wesley photo? Sweet bow!
The riser is Claro Walnut and the limbs veneers are fiddleback maple. I also had tip overlays of mastodon ivory put on it. I like the ivory colored wrap, but if I had it to do over I'd use a dark colored wrap. It shows dirt readily.
I purchased the woods and ivory myself and shipped them to Craig to use. It's a Wesley, but it's actually 7 lams. 5 bamboo with the two lams of maple under clear glass.
I love it, and my poor photography skills do not do Craig's work justice. The 7 lams and mid weight of the bow (68" 55@30-1/2")makes it soooo smooth and quiet that it's a true joy to shoot.
I've had it since 07 ??? I think, and it makes me smile every time I pick it up.
PM me if you want more details on it.
Thanks for asking
Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 04, 2013, 04:05:00 PM
Here are a couple of pics after I put some rust colored pigskin on her. I'm vaguely aware of this fine bows history, so I will give her a chance to let air into some fine critters. I'd seen pics of Keeper Kat before, but had forgotten how dramatic the juniper is on this bow. Cheetahs are just about the prettiest bows that HHA builds.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_2010_zps79f10d75.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_2010_zps79f10d75.jpg.html)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_2009_zpsbfcfb93a.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_2009_zpsbfcfb93a.jpg.html)
Mudd my friend, thank you for such a fine shooter.
Danny
Post by: Wannabe1 on November 04, 2013, 06:28:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on November 04, 2013, 06:44:00 PM
Post by: far rider on November 04, 2013, 07:41:00 PM
That is indeed the most unique Cheetah I've seen. Very stunning with the ebony.
Post by: 3Feathers on November 04, 2013, 07:44:00 PM
Post by: far rider on November 04, 2013, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: Knawbone on November 04, 2013, 07:53:00 PM
Post by: Knawbone on November 04, 2013, 07:56:00 PM
Post by: magnus on November 04, 2013, 07:56:00 PM
Post by: far rider on November 04, 2013, 08:28:00 PM
Nearly all on this thread shoot Hill style longbows.
Nearly all on here hunt with their Hill styles.
So, where better to ask this.....
What are your favorite ladder stands that are Hill style friendly? My setups are all 68" or 70".
I've been ground hunting since settling in on the Hill style bow, but where I'm presently hunting isn't very conducive to being on the ground. I need to elevate a wee bit to get my scent up.
I'm looking for a comfortable hammock style seat, or padded, around 10' or 12' height, that won't break my tiny piggy bank.
Many thanks in advance.
Post by: Knawbone on November 04, 2013, 08:47:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 04, 2013, 10:22:00 PM
Post by: Green on November 05, 2013, 04:12:00 AM
3F - 5", either 'nanners or Swifts
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/005-1.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/005-1.jpg.html)
Post by: Bud B. on November 05, 2013, 07:44:00 AM
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Originally posted by far rider:I have two from Dick's Sporting Goods I got on sale, but I trust this one more.
Ok,
Nearly all on this thread shoot Hill style longbows.
Nearly all on here hunt with their Hill styles.
So, where better to ask this.....
What are your favorite ladder stands that are Hill style friendly? My setups are all 68" or 70".
I've been ground hunting since settling in on the Hill style bow, but where I'm presently hunting isn't very conducive to being on the ground. I need to elevate a wee bit to get my scent up.
I'm looking for a comfortable hammock style seat, or padded, around 10' or 12' height, that won't break my tiny piggy bank.
Many thanks in advance.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/Equismith/stand.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Equismith/media/stand.jpg.html)
The foot platform is 12 feet high. I holds my 230lbs quite easily. Not an issue using Hill style bows out of either the homemade or store bought. The two from Dick's are their 15' ones with the open front. It's their lowest priced ones. I bought a foam seat pad from Walmart and all is good. It creaks a little on windy days but the wooden one is quieter than the metal ones.
Post by: Blaino on November 05, 2013, 08:17:00 AM
When the season goes out you can get thoes stands for around $50. That's pretty tough to beat.
Post by: Charlie Lamb on November 05, 2013, 08:59:00 AM
When shooting from a sitting position they can interfere if the animal is very close.
I use to dislike ladder stand as being too bulky and easy to see. I changed that attitude years ago and now they are my favorites. I feel much safer climbing up and down.
Commercially made ladder stands have a very minimal appearance and I don't think they bother anything.
Post by: far rider on November 05, 2013, 09:17:00 AM
Thanks guys,
Post by: bigb3303 on November 05, 2013, 10:24:00 AM
Post by: Hermon on November 05, 2013, 11:20:00 AM
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Originally posted by bigb3303:Is this a new model for him? Didn't know he was building a Hill style. Looking forward to pictures.
Ok so I ordered me a hill style bow from maddog archery, so I guess the hill bug got me! :) I shoot carbons right now, should I swich to wood to have a beter paradox around the bow?
Post by: bigb3303 on November 05, 2013, 11:57:00 AM
Post by: Bud B. on November 05, 2013, 12:18:00 PM
Pics please when you can.
Post by: Skates on November 06, 2013, 05:28:00 AM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 06, 2013, 07:37:00 AM
Serious is as serious does. Once you go Hill, you won't go back.
:bigsmyl:
Post by: bigb3303 on November 06, 2013, 08:30:00 AM
Post by: Blaino on November 06, 2013, 08:54:00 AM
Post by: bigb3303 on November 06, 2013, 10:10:00 AM
Post by: far rider on November 06, 2013, 10:50:00 AM
Ash, Hickory, and even shafts from purple heart or bloodwood can be found these days giving you a variety of weights and varying degrees of toughness.
Ron La Clair offers ash and hickory I believe, (unsure), as I'm sure other arrow builder sponsors on here.
I'm just saying that if you like woodies, but your timid about their ability to withstand punishment, there are options. Ash is a fine example, plus there are the Surewood shafts that are VERY tuff.
I'm like you, it just feels "more traditional" to use woodies, but I have to tell on myself a little when I say I've shot Gold Tip Traditional in my Wesley and they shoot REALLY good.
Post by: bicster on November 06, 2013, 05:54:00 PM
Post by: Mike Mecredy on November 06, 2013, 06:04:00 PM
I've only made a few straight longbows. Most of them have been pup sized longbows that I make for the Howard Hill Birthday giveaways.
Post by: Overspined on November 06, 2013, 06:37:00 PM
It's so easy, traditional, and great looking to stick to woodies!! Arrow, point, glue, heat. Hardwoods can be a lot more work too..
Post by: Butch Speer on November 06, 2013, 06:55:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 06, 2013, 08:21:00 PM
I have some as light as 8.5 GPP and just 1/2" longer than my draw and I have some 3" longer than my draw that come in at 12 GPP. I also shoot some that come in right around 10 GPP.
They are trusty, forgiving, accurate and extremely durable. I love carbons.
Post by: Bud B. on November 06, 2013, 08:43:00 PM
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Originally posted by Mike Mecredy:Good to know Mike.
I don't normally make straight limbed bows, but if a customer asks me to I'll try and accommodate what they want if it's with in my capability.
I've only made a few straight longbows. Most of them have been pup sized longbows that I make for the Howard Hill Birthday giveaways.
If you have some pics you don't mind sharing I'm sure many of us would love to see them.
Post by: bigb3303 on November 06, 2013, 08:46:00 PM
Post by: far rider on November 06, 2013, 10:04:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on November 07, 2013, 12:28:00 AM
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Originally posted by Brianlocal3:I guess if they were that easy to tune for me I'd like carbons more too. Endless possibilities means endless tuning when I hear it. :) They don't seem nearly as forgiving as wood or aluminum from Hill style bows. One day I think I have a combo tuned, and the next they are kicking again one way or another. Granted, I am a perfectionist. I'm sure it is an easy fix but I just gave up and went back to wood. I find it simple and only feel I give up durability when shooting in the woods at 3D as woodies will only take so much...i will say I love carbons from a curve though.
I'm a firm believer in carbons. I do have a couple dozen woodies here that I shoot occasionally but for me its hard to beat the ease of tunning, and endless possibilities with carbons.
I have some as light as 8.5 GPP and just 1/2" longer than my draw and I have some 3" longer than my draw that come in at 12 GPP. I also shoot some that come in right around 10 GPP.
They are trusty, forgiving, accurate and extremely durable. I love carbons.
Post by: Butch Speer on November 07, 2013, 12:15:00 PM
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Originally posted by Overspined:Overspined,
QuoteOriginally posted by Brianlocal3:I guess if they were that easy to tune for me I'd like carbons more too. Endless possibilities means endless tuning when I hear it. :) They don't seem nearly as forgiving as wood or aluminum from Hill style bows. One day I think I have a combo tuned, and the next they are kicking again one way or another. Granted, I am a perfectionist. I'm sure it is an easy fix but I just gave up and went back to wood. I find it simple and only feel I give up durability when shooting in the woods at 3D as woodies will only take so much...i will say I love carbons from a curve though. [/b]
I'm a firm believer in carbons. I do have a couple dozen woodies here that I shoot occasionally but for me its hard to beat the ease of tunning, and endless possibilities with carbons.
I have some as light as 8.5 GPP and just 1/2" longer than my draw and I have some 3" longer than my draw that come in at 12 GPP. I also shoot some that come in right around 10 GPP.
They are trusty, forgiving, accurate and extremely durable. I love carbons.
I hear ya. Some people just aren't into tinkering. If I could find straight bamboo at a decent price. That's all I'd ever use.
Post by: on November 07, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
Post by: bsv on November 07, 2013, 06:16:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on November 07, 2013, 06:17:00 PM
But all said and done give me my woodies back, I don't think they are any better but I like them more. If for no other reason than they just go with a Hill style bow.
As far as durability goes, Id like to know how people break wood arrows so easy. I shoot a lot of stumps and such and miss 3D targets as much as the next guy but I rarely break one. I've sent a woody into some horrific crashes and have seen others do the same, but they seem to survive just fine.
And the last reason, as insignificant as it may be, I make my own woodies and manage to get a few that look pretty decent. But you cant dress up a carbon or aluminum arrow, its like putting a gold earing on a hog.
Eric
Post by: Knawbone on November 07, 2013, 06:35:00 PM
An engine crankshaft turns true on it's axis and so does an arrow. If the ends align and the forward of center is sufficient, a bamboo or other arrow can have great flight as far as accuracy from point a to b. It may not spin or transfer it's energy as sufficiently as a straight arrow, but can make up for it in kinetic energy due to mass. (weight)
Post by: Rossco7002 on November 07, 2013, 06:44:00 PM
Post by: Stefan on November 07, 2013, 06:49:00 PM
a few pics of my new bow ,i build up three weeks ago,i love Hill style bows to shoot and build,
5 temp. bamboo lams,black glas on back clear on belly,
wenge grip and
1 indian penny from 1899 overlay,
65lbs at 28" and 27 NtN.
And pics from a new set of arrows i received today from "Snag" ore "wilderness costum arrows",
thats beautyful arrows with a good weight (surewood shaft) with nocktaper.
David is a great craftmen.
(http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy54/Stefanha/DSCF5432.jpg) (http://s777.photobucket.com/user/Stefanha/media/DSCF5432.jpg.html)
(http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy54/Stefanha/DSCF5434.jpg) (http://s777.photobucket.com/user/Stefanha/media/DSCF5434.jpg.html)
(http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy54/Stefanha/DSCF5439.jpg) (http://s777.photobucket.com/user/Stefanha/media/DSCF5439.jpg.html)
(http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy54/Stefanha/DSCF5431.jpg) (http://s777.photobucket.com/user/Stefanha/media/DSCF5431.jpg.html)
(http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy54/Stefanha/CameraZOOM-201311082424583261.jpg) (http://s777.photobucket.com/user/Stefanha/media/CameraZOOM-201311082424583261.jpg.html)
(http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy54/Stefanha/CameraZOOM-201311082425098281.jpg) (http://s777.photobucket.com/user/Stefanha/media/CameraZOOM-201311082425098281.jpg.html)
thanks Stefan
Post by: Stefan on November 07, 2013, 06:51:00 PM
Post by: Knawbone on November 07, 2013, 07:09:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on November 07, 2013, 07:22:00 PM
Dave, Indian head penny inlay.
Eric
Post by: Knawbone on November 07, 2013, 07:27:00 PM
Post by: Stefan on November 07, 2013, 07:27:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 07, 2013, 07:41:00 PM
Post by: TJK68 on November 08, 2013, 08:46:00 AM
Tom
Post by: two4hooking on November 08, 2013, 08:56:00 AM
Sagittarius makes meat from the ground on public land.
Post by: magnus on November 08, 2013, 09:36:00 AM
Post by: Green on November 08, 2013, 09:45:00 AM
Post by: far rider on November 08, 2013, 09:50:00 AM
Stefan,
That is a sharp Hill Style there. Love the 1899 connection to Hill history. Great idea.
Just an FYI, you can go back and edit your original post using the edit tab at the top you post. Keeps you from having to correct via a new post. Believe me...it is the most used tab I have at my disposal.
FR
Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 08, 2013, 10:03:00 AM
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Originally posted by Green:X2 Great job!
Congrats on that doe 2Fer! Let's see.....no camo, public land, HH bow, back quiver, white fletched arra's.....uh, can't be done. :clapper: :clapper:
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 08, 2013, 10:37:00 AM
Seriously good job
Post by: Wannabe1 on November 08, 2013, 01:36:00 PM
Post by: jsweka on November 08, 2013, 03:20:00 PM
(http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/Hunting2013/1108130953.jpg)
(http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/Hunting2013/1108130949a.jpg)
(http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/Hunting2013/1108130950.jpg)
Post by: Green on November 08, 2013, 03:34:00 PM
Post by: centaur on November 08, 2013, 03:38:00 PM
Post by: cahaba on November 08, 2013, 03:45:00 PM
Post by: Wannabe1 on November 08, 2013, 04:04:00 PM
Post by: TJK68 on November 08, 2013, 04:09:00 PM
Tom
Post by: Stefan on November 08, 2013, 04:34:00 PM
you are a top bowyer and hunter.
:thumbsup:
Post by: two4hooking on November 08, 2013, 04:44:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 08, 2013, 04:45:00 PM
Post by: Owlmagnet on November 08, 2013, 04:49:00 PM
Post by: Raminshooter on November 08, 2013, 05:07:00 PM
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Post by: jsweka on November 08, 2013, 08:30:00 PM
Last Saturday my brother-in-law (compound shooter, but we won't hold that against him) and I were hunting on a bench along a hillside we knew the deer liked to run. We were close enough we could see eachother. First thing in the morning he shoots a doe and I got to witness the whole thing and it dies right under my stand. Cool stuff and much better than watching someone kill a doe on the Outdoor Channel.
This morning, we were back in there and both of us were in the same trees and he got to watch me in action. The buck came walking directly at me and I stood up as soon as I saw him. As he was coming there was a big tree between me and him. I wasn't sure which way he was going to go around it so I wasn't sure which way to turn my body to prepare for the shot. So he comes out around the side to my left (which is good being a right handed shooter). Once he presented a shot I took it and I rushed it. Buck Fever I guess. I don't remember drawing, just the arrow striking him in front of his shoulder. I thought OH CRAP and he gimped his way up the Hill and out of site. I knew I didn't make a good shot and was pretty worried.
After about 45 minutes we got down, took our treestands to the truck, came back and started on the trail to see what the sign told us to do. There was a lot of blood and it was real steady so I started feeling better about the shot. But it kept going and going through a clear cut and into a golden rod/sapling thicket. After about 500 - 600 yards he finally bled out. I had my nose to the ground searching for blood and my brother-in-law actually saw him lying there dead before I did, but he didn't say anything. A few more steps and I finally saw him. Man it felt good to find him!!
After pictures and congratulations and such the work started. When I cleaned him out I found that I did nick the front part of one of his lungs and I think I also hit one of the arteries that run down the front legs. He was the heaviest deer I dragged and I'm glad I had my hunting partner with me for help.
I'm getting a European skull mount of him and he'll make a nice addition to my man room!
BTW - You can notice some writing on the upper limb of my bow. That's Ron LaClair's autograph that I acquired a couple years ago at Denton Hill. Just some added mojo on the bow.
Thanks for reading.
Post by: far rider on November 08, 2013, 09:07:00 PM
:thumbsup:
Post by: Owlmagnet on November 08, 2013, 09:34:00 PM
Post by: Centex on November 08, 2013, 10:48:00 PM
A picture from tonight's hunt.
Post by: ron w on November 10, 2013, 09:08:00 PM
Post by: nineworlds9 on November 11, 2013, 10:10:00 PM
if you've always wanted a Howard Hill Sirocco, now's your chance. I just put this up on the classifieds:
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=201;t=000346
Took the bow in as a partial trade. I felt it was the perfect bow for a Florida boy being nautical themed- teak riser, bamboo lams with center lam of cocobolo, whale baleen tip overlays and marlin inlay, but alas.. Despite the bow being rare and desirable the dished is grip just not for me and I have a new Bama headed my way by the end of the month, so better get this teak riser beauty while you can ;)
Post by: Jim Picarelli on November 12, 2013, 08:08:00 AM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2mozi8x.jpg)
Post by: ron w on November 12, 2013, 10:55:00 AM
Post by: smoke1953 on November 12, 2013, 11:30:00 AM
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/bhaukom/Agoodday.jpg) (http://s386.photobucket.com/user/bhaukom/media/Agoodday.jpg.html)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/bhaukom/As-we-found-it1.jpg) (http://s386.photobucket.com/user/bhaukom/media/As-we-found-it1.jpg.html)
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/bhaukom/Takingtheshot003.jpg) (http://s386.photobucket.com/user/bhaukom/media/Takingtheshot003.jpg.html)
Post by: Mudd on November 12, 2013, 11:39:00 AM
Congratulations!!!!!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: centaur on November 12, 2013, 11:40:00 AM
Post by: magnus on November 12, 2013, 11:47:00 AM
Whst mass on that thing. It's body is huge too. Way to go!
Post by: ron w on November 12, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
Post by: smoke1953 on November 12, 2013, 12:17:00 PM
Post by: Bob B. on November 12, 2013, 01:12:00 PM
Well done buddy! :archer:
Bob.
Post by: smoke1953 on November 12, 2013, 01:35:00 PM
Post by: Blaino on November 12, 2013, 02:35:00 PM
How many of you fellows do this?
Post by: two4hooking on November 12, 2013, 02:36:00 PM
Post by: Centex on November 12, 2013, 02:37:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on November 12, 2013, 03:00:00 PM
I also use the string touching my eyebrow as my 'psycho-trigger' for the shot sequence Joel Turner advocates and it works extremely well.
Post by: Mudd on November 12, 2013, 04:09:00 PM
Meet "The Amazon Queen"
(http://i.imgur.com/FbANJfW.jpg)[/IMG]
(http://i.imgur.com/9POkAuI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/xk4fyyB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/bKa9X4n.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/NJv0kyU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/lda8UMQ.jpg)
Thanks for looking!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: nineworlds9 on November 12, 2013, 04:53:00 PM
Post by: cahaba on November 12, 2013, 05:13:00 PM
Post by: Knawbone on November 12, 2013, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 12, 2013, 06:25:00 PM
David, the wait will be worth it for sure.
Post by: Moots on November 12, 2013, 06:34:00 PM
I'm waiting on a Vixen. I am very interested to hear how you like your Northstar, and how it compared to your Morning Star!
Post by: Green on November 12, 2013, 06:58:00 PM
Mudd - you and James have done it again!
Post by: far rider on November 12, 2013, 07:17:00 PM
Post by: RC on November 12, 2013, 07:50:00 PM
Nice bow Bro Mudd.RC
Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 13, 2013, 07:57:00 AM
Mudd - That Northstar is special. It is a looker.
Post by: Hermon on November 13, 2013, 08:59:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on November 13, 2013, 09:48:00 AM
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Originally posted by Ric O'Shay:Thanks Danny!!
Smoke - nice buck there my friend!
Mudd - That Northstar is special. It is a looker.
It feels like a bow that I've been shooting for months already.
I think this match is one I will relish for a long time to come.
I think you might have to wait until you get yours in your hand and fling about 3 arrows before the full depth of what I am so feebly trying to convey will come to you.
Thanks for all the kind words folks!!
I'm still grinning like a possum...lol
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Mudd on November 13, 2013, 09:53:00 AM
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Originally posted by Hermon:Thank you Hermon for reminding us.
Happy Birthday Howard!
I think Mr. Hill would be proud of what we're doing here to keep "Hunting the hard way" alive and well.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: smoke1953 on November 13, 2013, 10:36:00 AM
Post by: cahaba on November 13, 2013, 12:50:00 PM
Post by: Owlmagnet on November 13, 2013, 01:04:00 PM
This morning, I am reminded it is Howard's birthday....
Life is strange and wonderful.
Post by: Pat B. on November 13, 2013, 02:25:00 PM
And Mudd, your new JDB bow is a dandy !
Post by: far rider on November 13, 2013, 08:09:00 PM
How do you like the Wesley?
Post by: TJK68 on November 13, 2013, 08:27:00 PM
Smoke, that is a great buck, Congrats!
Tom
Post by: ron w on November 13, 2013, 08:48:00 PM
Post by: far rider on November 15, 2013, 09:32:00 PM
Post by: Bud B. on November 15, 2013, 09:42:00 PM
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Originally posted by far rider:Then here in the Piedmont I must be a bloomin' idiot Tim. They have my number this year, so far. :mad:
I sure love mine. Been trying to get it bloody this week, but alas, the deer are proving me an idiot.
Post by: far rider on November 15, 2013, 11:17:00 PM
The next evening I thought, I'll show you. I spent hours circumventing the area to put the sneak into the adjoining bedding area that they emerged from the night prior. Picked a hide that had me totally covered from their direction, only to have them cross a twenty acre pasture dead behind me.
I had no way of closing the distance in an open field, so all I could do was watch them disappear into the woodlot directly under the stand I was in the day prior.
:banghead:
Post by: centaur on November 16, 2013, 06:02:00 PM
Hill Cheetah, 55@28. Let's see some more Hill bow kills.
Post by: WESTBROOK on November 16, 2013, 06:54:00 PM
Eric
Post by: Mudd on November 16, 2013, 07:08:00 PM
Is that a whitetail, muley or cross?
I guess it doesn't really matter, it's still a nice buck.
Congratulations!!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: centaur on November 16, 2013, 07:12:00 PM
He is all whitetail.
Happy Birthday, BTW!
Post by: far rider on November 16, 2013, 07:40:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 16, 2013, 09:20:00 PM
Post by: cahaba on November 16, 2013, 10:56:00 PM
Post by: Blaino on November 17, 2013, 12:56:00 PM
(http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w539/richardrichardson1/bow%20harvest/103_0075_zps763c336a.jpg) (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/richardrichardson1/media/bow%20harvest/103_0075_zps763c336a.jpg.html)
Post by: Mudd on November 17, 2013, 03:57:00 PM
Congratulations!!
Nice Hill bow burger meat.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: 3Feathers on November 17, 2013, 04:43:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on November 17, 2013, 05:02:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 17, 2013, 05:32:00 PM
Post by: Blaino on November 17, 2013, 06:31:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rossco7002:That's right. Doing my best to be a one bow guy these days. Ya'll don't make it easy though!
Way to go man! Is that the same bow you brought to the Hog Hunt?
Post by: far rider on November 17, 2013, 06:54:00 PM
Diggin' the hat and threads sir.
Post by: Ryan Rothhaar on November 17, 2013, 09:31:00 PM
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/RyanRothhaar/2013MOBuck_zpsadaae2af.jpg)
Post by: centaur on November 17, 2013, 09:58:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on November 17, 2013, 10:01:00 PM
I am truly envious of all you guys that are posting hunting pics while dressed in a plaid shirt and jeans... Temps are well below freezing here and I was hunting in snow a week ago. It's painful - and 7 layers of wool and polypro doesn't make for very easy still hunting with all that bulk....
Post by: cahaba on November 18, 2013, 05:47:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 18, 2013, 08:20:00 AM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 18, 2013, 12:08:00 PM
Post by: Ron Roehrick on November 18, 2013, 01:26:00 PM
Post by: smoke1953 on November 18, 2013, 04:08:00 PM
Post by: far rider on November 18, 2013, 06:13:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 18, 2013, 07:35:00 PM
Post by: Bob B. on November 18, 2013, 07:51:00 PM
I believe in JD as well, but how many times have talked about how you do not like bamboo? :saywhat: I am dying to hear what you think of this one. I guess if anyone can make you a boo believer, JD is the man.
Good luck buddy ... post pics with a very complete review!
Bob.
Post by: Rossco7002 on November 18, 2013, 07:54:00 PM
Post by: far rider on November 18, 2013, 08:35:00 PM
Thanks
Tim
Post by: Ryan Rothhaar on November 18, 2013, 09:03:00 PM
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Post by: jwhitetail on November 18, 2013, 10:46:00 PM
Just curious. Thanks!
Post by: jwhitetail on November 18, 2013, 10:48:00 PM
Post by: TJK68 on November 18, 2013, 11:09:00 PM
Tom
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/TJK68/fa28500b-c613-4f7d-aa6e-d28498299ab1_zps87ae0b1e.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/TJK68/media/fa28500b-c613-4f7d-aa6e-d28498299ab1_zps87ae0b1e.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 18, 2013, 11:15:00 PM
Oh I know we have talked alot about me and the bamboo buzz I'm not found of, but what can I say I'm a Berry holic and ill take any I can fine ha.
Far rider,
My preferred cores are at the top of the list red elm and American elm. Honestly I love the feel of the two action wood cored bows I've owned. Hard rock maple is hard to beat for me just a little plain looking even under colored glass. I talked James into making my last bow of his (Northstar) with all yew limbs and really like it too.
Me and boo have just never gotten along at the release. Some twangy type feel that I don't get from the wood cored bows. I'm really interested in getting a black walnut cored bow sometime.
Post by: Bob B. on November 19, 2013, 12:30:00 AM
I look forward to a bow report Brian. Good on ya buddy.
Bob.
Post by: bicster on November 19, 2013, 04:40:00 AM
Post by: Knawbone on November 19, 2013, 04:50:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 19, 2013, 08:21:00 AM
I have wanted to drive up the street and go try one of Chucks Osage royals , just haven't had the time. Heck I was 2 miles from his shop on Sunday working.
I DID own the HHA crocodile (all Osage) and while it was stunning , it had the most Handshock of any bow I've owned. BUT you and Mudd really like the Osage royal hence my insistence on trying one
Post by: Mudd on November 19, 2013, 09:02:00 AM
Bob, you and Brian need to stop it!!!!
We should keep some things secret....lol
Chuck Jones might still be coerced with kind words and "dead presidential pictures" printed on green "paper-like" material into building another Osage Royale....lol
If we tell the world what they've been missing out on with the Osage Royale, Chuck will start falling behind on his "builds" because the orders might start pouring in.......lol
When I got mine, I bought it as my "old-age" bow.
It's only 43@28 and also serves as my training bow to keep "my form" where it needs to be so when whatever bow I shoot afterwards is more likely to hit what I want.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01968.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01968.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01963.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01963.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01964.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01964.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01957.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01957.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01962.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01962.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01961.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01961.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01965.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/DSC01965.jpg.html)
I really hope I have improved in my shooting form since this one was made...lol (click on it)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/th_MOV01967.jpg) (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Osage%20Royale%20by%20Chuck%20Jones/MOV01967.mp4)
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 19, 2013, 09:21:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on November 19, 2013, 09:30:00 AM
I only wish I had the forethought to paste a stencil or two on it so as it aged the image would have been forever visible after the stencil is removed.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Bob B. on November 19, 2013, 09:54:00 AM
Well I screwed up the other night, I was shooting at a leaf about 15 yards away, and hit it dead center. Being proud of my self, I figured why not do it again ... I split another beautiful wood arrow!! Dag-gum I am stupid sometimes! I am running low and will have to make another dozen or so in a little while. Anyway, man that Royale really shoots well ... and plenty hard to boot!
Brian, you should go see Chuck and ask to shoot one of his Royales, they are simply awesome.
Bob.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 19, 2013, 10:23:00 AM
Post by: ChiefStingingArrow on November 19, 2013, 01:57:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 19, 2013, 03:42:00 PM
Gee thanks alot , do you mind if I give my wife your address when I HAVE to have a bow with black walnut cores. Ha ha.
But seriously thanks for the info. I really want to try one.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 19, 2013, 03:57:00 PM
***NOTE**** don't mind the dirty Broadheads. I'm not HUNTING with them in this condition, my BH target is a dirt embankment .
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/null_zpse722ffe7.jpg)
When you have a set of finely tuned arrows I have found that it gives you quite a bit of leeway with the point weight you can use and this allowing you to adjust for conditions or have the ability to use whats laying around.
In this pic my primary hunting head is the 175 VPAs, but I got a great deal on the no mercys and deltas in the pic. So I now have about a dozen of each which come in around 180-190 grains with the inserts installed. The G5 small game head is 125 grains and the homemade "judo" is 160 grains. ALL of these arrows fly true and to my point of aim.
I contribute this to my arrows being tuned to the middle of the "bell curve" which allows me to do this,
These are for my Berry Northstar and I couldn't be happier!!
Here is the homemade "judo"
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/null_zps129903de.jpg)
This shot was taken at 45 yds shooting at the corn cob. One arrow is my 175FP the other is a 125 G5. As you can see it made little difference
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/null_zps9cdcc594.jpg)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 19, 2013, 03:58:00 PM
Post by: on November 19, 2013, 05:11:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 19, 2013, 05:46:00 PM
I have yet to find a head that flys so true with so many different set ups as the greenie
Post by: Bob B. on November 19, 2013, 06:33:00 PM
I had a long walker from Twotracks that had walnut cores. Man that bow just flat out shot! Eventually I got rid of it only because my elbow issues do no like locator griped bows ... Sadly I got rid of that marvelous bow. If that is not enough, many bowyers, including Dan Tolke love walnut as a bow core wood.
Cool pics of your homemade judo/small game heads.
Bob.
Post by: Moots on November 19, 2013, 06:47:00 PM
Have any of you owned a Kimsha Mattawoman? If so, how do they stack up next to JD Berry, David Miller etc.
Thanks!
Rob
Post by: Bowitis on November 19, 2013, 09:17:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on November 19, 2013, 09:53:00 PM
Because of that, I have kind of stayed away from deep core LB of all Osage. I'm thinking now that design can have a lot to do with it and I may have to give another a try. I love the dark aged look of Osage or yew.
Great deer everyone!!! I have had a rather rough season getting close to the right deer with the LB. It happens!
I can say with certainty that ground hunting tall grass in ASAT is a great way to go unnoticed by whitetails! I was 5 or 6 paces from a 2 yr old 8 pt the other day and thought he might join me in my little swail. I could have made that shot blindfolded...I think. The longer bows kind of blend right in too.
Post by: Bob B. on November 19, 2013, 10:27:00 PM
Kevin, Yeah, I miss that bow .. man it smoked an arrow and was so easy on the hand, so quiet ... and the yew with brown glass and rosewood riser ... so sexy! Why the hell did I sell that bow again?!?!
I am glad you are getting along so well with it. Send me a hero pic when you two connect on something. Steve makes a great bow eh?
Bob.
Post by: RC on November 19, 2013, 10:50:00 PM
Post by: Linwood Hines on November 19, 2013, 10:56:00 PM
Re arrow tuning - HELP! I've not been able to achieve consistency from all of a dozen arrow shafts (POR & DF), tho' recent DF shafts I've gotten have been the best/most consistent flying shafts I've had the privledge of shooting in 20 years (not to mention a name, but the shaft company's name starts with a S). Yea, I know that PART of this problem is the nut behind the string....
Post by: on November 20, 2013, 12:32:00 AM
Post by: Bob B. on November 20, 2013, 08:22:00 AM
Bob.
Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 20, 2013, 08:51:00 AM
Just so you will know, black walnut cores and forward handle bows go together like donuts and coffee. Here's mine. "Sweet Sue", I've had this bow since April 1992. I let Jim Belcher borrow it a few months back because he now has the original form this bow was made on. After shooting it, even Jim was amazed at the performance. Enjoy...
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_1576.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_1576.jpg.html)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_1575.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_1575.jpg.html)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_1572.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_1572.jpg.html)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_1578.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_1578.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 20, 2013, 10:23:00 AM
That's a "sweet" looking bow!!!! Thanks for the info. And that was kind of you to let Jim borrow your sweet heart
Post by: Mudd on November 20, 2013, 10:28:00 AM
Someone please tell me that I'm not just losing it and this photo at a glance this buck could pass for a Sika.
Nice shooting brother!!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: toddster on November 20, 2013, 10:34:00 AM
Post by: ron w on November 20, 2013, 11:02:00 AM
Post by: huntingarcher on November 20, 2013, 11:04:00 AM
I have had some of his bows and still have a LongHorn.I saw him about 3 years ago on a hunt in South Tx,he looked like the same ol Jeff and crazy as ever.
Post by: TJK68 on November 20, 2013, 11:26:00 AM
Congrats RC on the Buck! :thumbsup:
Tom
Post by: typical2 on November 20, 2013, 02:01:00 PM
That has to be one of the Killingest bows ever made. You built some luck into that thing for sure!
Eric
Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 20, 2013, 02:02:00 PM
Brian - Jim had called me about this bow, because he had received several inquiries about the old, forward handle bows that Jeff was famous for building. Jim wanted to use this one as a model for the new ones he was preparing to build.
Danny
Post by: on November 20, 2013, 02:10:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 20, 2013, 02:15:00 PM
You posted this just to brag didn't you HA HA.
Have fun, I wish I had the opportunity
Post by: Knawbone on November 20, 2013, 05:19:00 PM
Post by: Knawbone on November 20, 2013, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: lone hunter on November 20, 2013, 05:38:00 PM
Post by: ron w on November 20, 2013, 06:16:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 20, 2013, 06:18:00 PM
With friend like you who needs taxes to take your money, you know good and well once he gets the feel of that reverse handle he will have to have one, I love my reverse handled bows
Post by: Bud B. on November 20, 2013, 06:27:00 PM
Now to add,..... anyone out there know anything about a Hill style bow made by Holmes? I'm thinking Gary Holmes? of the former Shrew variety. I just wanted some input on the Hill styles he made that carry the name Holmes, or is it possible there is another Holmes??
Pics and input appreciated.
Thank you.
Post by: Moots on November 20, 2013, 07:19:00 PM
"Sweet Sue" looks like a keeper!
Rob
Post by: Centex on November 20, 2013, 08:03:00 PM
Post by: ron w on November 20, 2013, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 20, 2013, 08:45:00 PM
Maybe because I don't measure it the way your talking but I ALWAYS measure from the belly side of the shelve to the string for brace so I don't have a different brace on my Morningstar or Northstar than on my vixen or misty dawn. They all run around 6.5-6.25 BH
Post by: Knawbone on November 20, 2013, 10:26:00 PM
Post by: ron w on November 21, 2013, 11:33:00 AM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 21, 2013, 11:58:00 AM
Grounds rules here....you are prohibited from talking about or referring to a new to you Hill bow without including any pics! :bigsmyl:
Danny
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 21, 2013, 02:16:00 PM
Post by: ron w on November 21, 2013, 02:46:00 PM
Post by: Blaino on November 21, 2013, 04:35:00 PM
I don't understand all the concave/convex stuff :dunno:
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 21, 2013, 05:42:00 PM
The vixen has arrived. My post will follow
Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 21, 2013, 06:14:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on November 21, 2013, 06:48:00 PM
If you have any questions feel free to drop me a PM.
Brian - more pics!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 21, 2013, 06:52:00 PM
I made a post on the powwow. Full of pics!!
Post by: Linwood Hines on November 21, 2013, 07:34:00 PM
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Originally posted by ron w:WITHOUT PICS it didn't happen....
My new to me Hill Owl came to me today. 70" 50#@31", Brown glass on the back 3 lams of boo and Osage on the belly under clear glass. I only got to shoot it a few times before errands had to be taken care of, but it seems to be a real nice shooter. I think this bow is going to see a lot of time in the woods.
Post by: ron w on November 21, 2013, 07:45:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 21, 2013, 08:22:00 PM
At first glance I'd say most of them look similar but there are those subtle differences that stand out (speaking of same bouwer)
Post by: far rider on November 21, 2013, 08:33:00 PM
In regards to the convex, concave limbs. Isn't that what put O.L. and the ACS on the map? I thought he patented that design, or am I totally off base?
Post by: ron w on November 21, 2013, 08:35:00 PM
Post by: neargeezer on November 21, 2013, 08:38:00 PM
These aren't great pictures of Ron's Owl, but hopefully they'll keep him out of hot water!
Hope you don't mind Ron.
Terry K.
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/dageezer/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/serialnumberampweight.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/dageezer/media/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/serialnumberampweight.jpg.html)
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/dageezer/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/lamsonriser.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/dageezer/media/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/lamsonriser.jpg.html)
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/dageezer/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/stringfollowprofile.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/dageezer/media/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/stringfollowprofile.jpg.html)
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/dageezer/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/toposagelam.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/dageezer/media/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/toposagelam.jpg.html)
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/dageezer/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/bottomosagelam.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/dageezer/media/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/bottomosagelam.jpg.html)
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/dageezer/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/strungprofile.jpg) (http://s949.photobucket.com/user/dageezer/media/Howard%20Hill%20Owl/strungprofile.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 21, 2013, 08:39:00 PM
Far rider,
Howard patented the cc/cv before those guys. They altered it enough to repatened under their design
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 21, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on November 21, 2013, 08:44:00 PM
I'm probably too poor a shot to ever tell a difference like Howard could but I love the nostalgia factor - and it is indeed a very sweet shooter.
Post by: ron w on November 21, 2013, 09:17:00 PM
Post by: Knawbone on November 21, 2013, 09:48:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 21, 2013, 09:55:00 PM
So all the new bows are amazing!!!! Which actually leads me to this......
I knew string material has been covered on the HH part 1 thread BUT the arrival of my newest addition promps this.
I KNOW what James bows shoot like. I mean basically its all I shoot . All of my Berrys have a 14 strand FF+ string. This is the same string I make and use on any and EVERY bow that comes thru my door.
This particular bow came from the previous owner with an 18 strand B50 and just to get some shooting in I strung it up and shot four , yes only FOUR arrows from it before I ripped it off and got to work on building my string for it.
That string made this beautifully Shoooting bow feel like a mule. It greatly slowed the bow down and felt like it was a trampoline after release.
So do you shoot b50 or ff? Why? What do you "feel" from each material.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 21, 2013, 09:57:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on November 21, 2013, 10:11:00 PM
The bow is lighter in weight than an HHA bow. It is more slightly built with tiny tips, narrow limbs and a short riser section. The CC/CV construction also requires less boo in the limb to hit the desired draw weight so the physical weight of the limbs is reduced.
I may be in my head but I feel like it points faster. I know for certain it makes for a 'soft in the hand bow' which feels GREAT at the loose.
(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p485/Ross7002/image_zpse11e4ee1.jpg) (http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/Ross7002/media/image_zpse11e4ee1.jpg.html)
(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p485/Ross7002/image_zps9f139eb8.jpg) (http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/Ross7002/media/image_zps9f139eb8.jpg.html)
(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p485/Ross7002/image_zps3aea6022.jpg) (http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/Ross7002/media/image_zps3aea6022.jpg.html)
(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p485/Ross7002/image_zps6a75a0e6.jpg) (http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/Ross7002/media/image_zps6a75a0e6.jpg.html)
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on November 21, 2013, 10:26:00 PM
The thing I dont like about about Hill bows is..... They all look the same :saywhat:
Post by: Mudd on November 21, 2013, 10:48:00 PM
Isn't the only difference between my Miller "Hawk" and the "Expedition" the carbon backing on the bow?
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Rossco7002 on November 22, 2013, 06:17:00 AM
Post by: Centex on November 22, 2013, 07:33:00 AM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 22, 2013, 08:12:00 AM
Regarding your question about O.L. Adcock and his patent about the cc/cv limb; Howard Hill was building his personal glass bows with that design before O.L was even a gleam in his daddy's eye. O.L. claimed to have invented the design, but that has been debunked. I have not read the actual patent, so perhaps someone could tell us if it was the design or the process that was patented.
When Hill started producing his bow to be sold to the public, it took too long and was (at that time) too complicated to mass produce. That is when the flat glass design was utilized in order to cut production time. David Miller builds his cc/cv bows the old fashion way. One at a time.
Post by: Blaino on November 22, 2013, 08:20:00 AM
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Originally posted by Mudd:I don't get into all of the carbon stuff, just wondered if the concave/convex bow really was "all that" must be since that's what Howard used.
Am I wrong?
Isn't the only difference between my Miller "Hawk" and the "Expedition" the carbon backing on the bow?
God bless,Mudd
Carbon must be an upgrade... from his website:
Glass Model "The Expedition"
Three concave-convex tempered bamboo laminations with glass face and backed
combined with hardwood riser. The ultimate big game longbow.
I want another bow :help:
Post by: MikeM on November 22, 2013, 08:38:00 AM
Post by: two4hooking on November 22, 2013, 09:27:00 AM
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Originally posted by Brianlocal3:I prefer a heavy B-50 string. The biggest factor for me is quietness as I do not use puff balls or silencers. Schulz stated, a true Hill style bow has no need for silencers when a heavy hunting string - well waxed was used. I have also found this to be true.
Ok,
So all the new bows are amazing!!!! Which actually leads me to this......
I knew string material has been covered on the HH part 1 thread BUT the arrival of my newest addition promps this.
I KNOW what James bows shoot like. I mean basically its all I shoot . All of my Berrys have a 14 strand FF+ string. This is the same string I make and use on any and EVERY bow that comes thru my door.
This particular bow came from the previous owner with an 18 strand B50 and just to get some shooting in I strung it up and shot four , yes only FOUR arrows from it before I ripped it off and got to work on building my string for it.
That string made this beautifully Shoooting bow feel like a mule. It greatly slowed the bow down and felt like it was a trampoline after release.
So do you shoot b50 or ff? Why? What do you "feel" from each material.
Another reason I like B50 is the feel. The FF strings I had were ridged feeling. Like putting extra stress on the whole operation and loud as all get out. I kinda like the feel of the gentle dampened vibration of the limbs when a well released arrow is on it's way. It just screams forgiveness.
Yes, this type of string is not as fast as FF but speed will only help you miss faster. I think that the B50 is all about forgiveness....perfect for this type of bow.
Just my 2 cents.
Post by: Kelly on November 22, 2013, 10:18:00 AM
Basically, it looks like ((( with each mark representing a bamboo lam. Baboo basically is a hollow tube so when split it naturally has the CC/CV shape.
Post by: Tinbow on November 22, 2013, 11:27:00 AM
Post by: on November 22, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
Post by: far rider on November 22, 2013, 12:31:00 PM
I remembered reading an article when O.L. hit the market with his ACS bow. I just remember (ole memory) them mentioning a patent.
I did not however know about Howard's original bows, nor did I know about David Miller's limbs.
Thanks guys!
I sure have learned a lot about longbows over the last 1050+ pages of chit chat.
What ever happened to Nate? He used to post on here all the time, then he just quit. Anybody know if he's okay? Hope this isn't picking at a scab.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 22, 2013, 12:56:00 PM
Post by: Blaino on November 22, 2013, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 22, 2013, 02:25:00 PM
Post by: Moots on November 22, 2013, 02:31:00 PM
That "Mistress" is a beauty.
Post by: on November 22, 2013, 02:38:00 PM
Post by: Kelly on November 22, 2013, 03:39:00 PM
Post by: Owlmagnet on November 22, 2013, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: Bob B. on November 24, 2013, 07:15:00 PM
So,how about this ... what is your favorite limb wood core ( not bamboo - wood )?
Bob.
Post by: Bowitis on November 24, 2013, 07:42:00 PM
Post by: Bob B. on November 24, 2013, 08:34:00 PM
I am a YEW fanatic as well ... Figured you would be YEW crazy as well ... I am glad that Shelton is working so well for you.
Bob
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 24, 2013, 08:37:00 PM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on November 24, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on November 24, 2013, 09:01:00 PM
The Chuck Adams version... (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/TX22.jpg)
The one that makes me look as goofy as I really am. (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/TX21.jpg)
Post by: Charlie Lamb on November 24, 2013, 09:04:00 PM
:goldtooth:
Post by: Linwood Hines on November 24, 2013, 10:54:00 PM
The hog is pretty large too.
Post by: Charlie Lamb on November 24, 2013, 11:01:00 PM
Post by: Owlmagnet on November 25, 2013, 11:28:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on November 25, 2013, 11:50:00 AM
;)
He had a good thick shield on him and I'm sure that adds to the weight without adding to the bulk.
Post by: Owlmagnet on November 25, 2013, 12:28:00 PM
Mea Culpa.
Post by: MikeNova on November 25, 2013, 12:29:00 PM
Post by: far rider on November 25, 2013, 12:48:00 PM
You kill me Charlie.
:laughing:
Post by: Hermon on November 25, 2013, 02:08:00 PM
http://www.twotracksbow.com/store/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29850
Post by: bsv on November 25, 2013, 08:58:00 PM
Burt
Post by: Charlie Lamb on November 25, 2013, 09:04:00 PM
That's one of my own make longbows. Honduran Rosewood riser, bamboo core, and black belly and back.
Post by: Hermon on November 25, 2013, 09:42:00 PM
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Originally posted by bsv:I was waiting for him to put that bow up for sale! Went out of town hunting for the weekend and when I check TG I had missed it already. But like I said before, I don't have any extra money right now. Good pickup. That bow is gorgeous!
I recently made a trade with Pokerdaddy for a Echo,can't wait to get it.should be here Wednesday.
Burt
Let us know what you think about it.
Post by: Nala on November 26, 2013, 03:55:00 PM
Quick question. For someone that wants to buy a Hill bow, which Hill style is the most economical way to go? Assume USED is not an option.
Thank you for your time.
BD
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 26, 2013, 03:59:00 PM
Then with value figured in (considering veneers, glass, cores etc options ) JD Berry has a very affordable price without upcharges for options
Post by: TxAg on November 26, 2013, 07:31:00 PM
Post by: Centex on November 26, 2013, 11:36:00 PM
Post by: Green on November 27, 2013, 06:45:00 AM
Can't wait to see your Christmas present! Had to do some lookin' up on the Pynma......this should be a beautiful bow!
Post by: TxAg on November 27, 2013, 02:03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Green:
Jeff are you serious? :laughing:
Can't wait to see your Christmas present! Had to do some lookin' up on the Pynma......this should be a beautiful bow! [/QUOTE
]I'm serious, but I sold some others recently to fund it....plus i won that bet with my wife ;)
One or these days I promise I'm gona be a one-bow-guy haha
P.S. I think. I spelled it incorrectly...should be pyinma...little easier to google that way
Post by: bsv on November 28, 2013, 03:51:00 PM
Post by: Green on November 28, 2013, 05:27:00 PM
Post by: Jacquesbonin on November 30, 2013, 06:44:00 PM
Post by: far rider on November 30, 2013, 07:21:00 PM
Post by: TxAg on November 30, 2013, 07:41:00 PM
Post by: Green on November 30, 2013, 08:56:00 PM
Jacques - congrats on snagging the Schulz!
Post by: GregD on December 01, 2013, 09:18:00 AM
Post by: JohnI on December 01, 2013, 10:36:00 AM
Post by: on December 01, 2013, 11:36:00 AM
Post by: far rider on December 01, 2013, 12:01:00 PM
Tim
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 01, 2013, 06:26:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/null_zpsc112959c.jpg)
James shot this beautiful buck today, shooting a 66" 54@28 Morningstar. All day sit, with nothing showing itself untill this beaut appeared, 10 yard shot, but the buck was about 30 feet or so straight below in the bottom of a little ravine, perfect shot with an easy 100 yard recovery. Quick ,clean kill. Shooting cedars tipped with Bear razor heads.
(I paraphrased the story as relayed by James)
Post by: Bud B. on December 01, 2013, 06:32:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on December 01, 2013, 07:49:00 PM
You're welcome for the addition of the mojo I added to your bow...lol
God bless,Mudd
Post by: TxAg on December 01, 2013, 08:00:00 PM
Post by: Moots on December 01, 2013, 08:38:00 PM
I'm next up with James for a North Star. Originally I was going to get a Vixen, but I shot BHall's Morning Star and liked the reverse handle.
Post by: far rider on December 01, 2013, 08:44:00 PM
Tim
Post by: Irish Archer on December 01, 2013, 08:49:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on December 01, 2013, 09:26:00 PM
Post by: moebow on December 01, 2013, 10:55:00 PM
For a buck like that I will wait!
Arne
Post by: jwhitetail on December 01, 2013, 11:24:00 PM
Congrats and good pic. Also, glad you got away from the band saw, belt sander and spray room to get out and hunt! Very important to keeping it real and keeping those great bows great!
I'll be looking forward to some pepperoni! LOL
Post by: Pat B. on December 01, 2013, 11:28:00 PM
Looking good there...
Post by: cahaba on December 01, 2013, 11:33:00 PM
Post by: lone hunter on December 02, 2013, 09:39:00 AM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 02, 2013, 01:37:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 02, 2013, 03:08:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 02, 2013, 04:24:00 PM
Post by: smoke1953 on December 02, 2013, 05:10:00 PM
Post by: TJK68 on December 02, 2013, 06:10:00 PM
Tom
Post by: on December 02, 2013, 07:29:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 02, 2013, 07:51:00 PM
Post by: Blaino on December 02, 2013, 08:05:00 PM
Post by: on December 03, 2013, 09:30:00 PM
Post by: Centex on December 03, 2013, 10:55:00 PM
Post by: 2treks on December 04, 2013, 09:29:00 AM
The bow and the hat are cool too!
Congratulations.
CTT
Post by: JDBerry on December 04, 2013, 12:38:00 PM
Post by: moebow on December 04, 2013, 12:50:00 PM
I have been a BIG fan of Sitka Spruce and Douglas Fir shafts for about 20 years now. Sitka is lighter (like POC) and Doug Fir much heavier (for hunting).
Both are much tougher than POC IMO.
Arne
Post by: JDBerry on December 04, 2013, 03:46:00 PM
Post by: 2treks on December 04, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
Poplar, birch and spruce. No particular order.
cedar and fir is good.
Making up a half dz poplar now.
Stay tuned for pics
Post by: JDBerry on December 04, 2013, 06:53:00 PM
Post by: on December 04, 2013, 07:30:00 PM
Post by: Blaino on December 04, 2013, 08:04:00 PM
Post by: on December 04, 2013, 08:48:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 04, 2013, 09:03:00 PM
Pavan, the wait will be well worth it, I look forward to the pics for sure. I'm personally a huge fan of the JD Berry reverse handles
Post by: 2treks on December 04, 2013, 09:07:00 PM
I need to pick up some paint for my cap and crown tomorrow when I head to town, then I can start to fletch em up. I'll show ya some Pics
Post by: akbowbender on December 04, 2013, 10:11:00 PM
Make sure to post some photos of your arrows.
I have a couple dozen Sitka Spruce shafts on the way. Make great arrows. Will probably back taper them as I have a mess of 5/16" nocks I need to use up. Except for seven DF that I use for moose hunting, they are all I shoot out of my Hill style bows. My Misty Dawn especially likes 'em!
Post by: JDBerry on December 05, 2013, 12:12:00 AM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 05, 2013, 08:37:00 AM
Post by: Pat B. on December 05, 2013, 08:54:00 AM
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Post by: far rider on December 05, 2013, 10:05:00 AM
Since the subject has turned to arrows, I would love some good old fashioned schoolology (read; opinions)for a set of arrows for the upcoming Hill Gang Hog hunt and extravaganza in Gawga!
My set up is as follows: 68" Hill Wesley
Braced: 6 3/4"
55#@30
I'm currently flinging full length cedars that were marked (I do not own a spine tester) 60-65 spine and Zwickey 145 2 blades up front. They fly just okay, although they do hit straight (just never where I want them to)
What I want is something much heavier than the cedars, and pushing a set of 225gr Tuffheads.
What I do have to add is that I have a set of 55-75 Traditional GT with 125gr fields up front and they fly great.
I'm open to anything wood: Poplar, Ash, Hickory, Surewood, Spruce, as long as they fly great and hold up reasonably well.
Okay...what ya got?
As always, thanks in advance,
Tim
Post by: on December 05, 2013, 10:24:00 AM
However, if your release point, where the string leaves your finger tips, is shorter than you think, try a lighter spined, shorter shaft.
Post by: far rider on December 05, 2013, 12:40:00 PM
I feel like when my form settles down, I'll be somewhere between 29 and 30 (probably closer to 30), but probably not over it. I'm a shade over 6'3" and I have orangutan arms.
Unless I absolutely have to do it, I'm trying to avoid carbon or aluminum. Nothing against those who like them, I'm just a wood guy.
I have some 23/64 75-80s, and also some 11/32 80-85s that I purchased after trying Stu's calculator. That didn't work out so well with my Hills. Would either of these heavy spined arrows work better with the heavy 225gr broads since I last tried the 75-80s with 145gr up front?
I realize I can just go try them, but I'm just trying glean some wisdom from the Gurus on here to avoid buying 10 sets of incredibly expensive arrows to find a starting point.
Rose City offers a test kit starting at 50-70
and 60-80
I'm gathering that the latter would be the best kit to try.
Thanks,
Tim
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 05, 2013, 01:40:00 PM
I think Shultz and hill both recomend not worrying about arrow impact point or even flight at this point. You are changing alot right now, and if you adapt the bent arm like thy suggest you may very well nock off an inch or more draw.
If you REALLY want to learn the swing and utilize it to its fullest (something I cannot do so I shoot more static) them just focus on the swing draw right now
Post by: RC on December 05, 2013, 02:37:00 PM
Post by: on December 05, 2013, 04:31:00 PM
In any case, I would try to get your form stabilized first, then find what your draw length is in the shooting process, not just drawing the bow and marking an arrow. You can put marks on an arrow of different colors, than have someone watch and tell you which mark you drew to when you shoot. It is possibly different than the static measure that you are getting now.
Post by: Kelly on December 05, 2013, 04:46:00 PM
Nate Steen of Sunset Hill bows is same height as you and his true draw is just a tad over 27". Speaking of which your true draw( the draw length when you are actually concentrating on shooting and not just drawing the bow back to see how for you draw it) may/will be much shorter than you think. Only way to find this is have someone watch you while you are shooting-all you think about is form and shooting. Then after several arrows like 10 or more have that person tell you how much of the arrow is sticking out in front of your bow and that is your true draw.
That said, right now since you are working on the Hill/Schulz form do not pay any attention to your draw for quite some time. Then find some heavy field points to match those broadheads and put them on those 75# spined arrows and shoot them. If they do not work then find soem lighter points for those 60# spine arrows to see if that helps.
I'm guessing that when you find your true draw length and have arrows made according to that you will be somewhere in between those spines.
Post by: M60gunner on December 05, 2013, 05:32:00 PM
Far rider, I have had a similar experience this past week end with carbon arrows. Used one of my 500 spine carbon out of my Pete George longbow. I was surprised at how well it flew. My hand and wrist did not like it much.
Post by: Owlmagnet on December 05, 2013, 06:03:00 PM
Since I don't own a heatgun--and lack the necessary courage to appropriate my wife's hair drier--I tried to find something other than a propane torch or burning all the hair off my arms over the kitchen stove. I did.
I have a couple of Alladin kerosene lamps that I use during power outages. I discovered that the tall glass chimney can really focus heat where you need it, rather than trying to heat the whole shaft. I straightened some shafts that I could not, using normal methods, reasonably expect to save. Heat WORKS!! Compared to a normal shaft, get an area of that shaft almost too hot to work with bare hands, and you can suddenly work it like a wet noodle! Bends were pretty easy. Slight kinks were tougher, but to my pleasant surprise, I think I did OK.
I will almost certainly straighten them another time, or two, before I taper them, but I am confident that almost every one of them is going to fly.
My thanks to several Tradgangers,(those who no longer appear on this forum, and those who do), who have taught me, over the years, more than I ever expected to learn about arrow woods and arrow smithing. I am in your debt.
Post by: Rossco7002 on December 05, 2013, 07:26:00 PM
I would go with the heavier spined arrows you already have and just experiment with point weight til you set up is flying well for you. The 60-65s would likely be way weak if your drawing a true 30+.
As per Brian's comment use what you've got til you settle into your new form as you'll tie yourself in knots working on new arrows and a new shooting style at the same time. That's some very sound advice he's giving and I wish I'd heard it a while back myself! Lol
Post by: far rider on December 05, 2013, 07:32:00 PM
I appreciate all of the input on it. Point of interest though, regardless of type of draw (swing vs static or push pull), IF your griping the Hill properly, and drawing to you natural anchor....wouldn't the draw length be the same?
I do appreciate all of your inputs.
Tim
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 05, 2013, 07:38:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on December 05, 2013, 07:51:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:These are some solid pointers! I shoot RH & RW cock feather in, nock arrow over nock point, worry about form and not draw length or speed. You can make adjustments later but consistency is key. Adjust point weight... Nocking under the nock point and too low of a brace height MAY cause erratic flight. My local trad shop owner said 80% of his fixes for people to fix their bad arrow flight is raising the brace height after the string got shot in. That's it. A few twists and WOW it's shooting great again!
What was Hills arm spread? Whatever we read once, when we measured my son's arm spread it was one half inch less. According to my son that accounts for his one quarter inch shorter draw with the same bent arm. I believe that it was 76 inches. My son is well over 6 feet and he shoots 28 inches. If you could watch how tight he groups arrows at 30 yards, you would want to copy some of that. At this point in your form development, I would not worry about where the arrows are hitting. However, and this can be a tough one, it is extremely helpful if you have someone watch your arrow flight for you. A wood shaft out of Hill will first bend into the bow on release, then snake around the bow as it passes it. If you have a DVD of Hill shooting watch it super slow stop mode, you catch the arrow bending in. It make perfect that it needs to do that because the bow is not center shot and the string drives the arrow straight into the center of the bow, pushing on the arrow before it get moving. If the arrow is too stiff there is the tendency for the arrow to skate off the bow instead of going around it. Those arrows you already have may be flying just right. there may be other things you can do tuning wise to get better arrow flight. Like raise your knocking point to 3/16 inch above level, nocking under the arrow; give yourself a higher brace; turn you cock feather into the bow; bend your left arm and try for solid follow through at a shorter draw. Then have someon else watch the arrow flight as it comes off the bow. If the arrow did not miss the target and hit your garage, it was a good test.
In any case, I would try to get your form stabilized first, then find what your draw length is in the shooting process, not just drawing the bow and marking an arrow. You can put marks on an arrow of different colors, than have someone watch and tell you which mark you drew to when you shoot. It is possibly different than the static measure that you are getting now.
Post by: Jim Picarelli on December 06, 2013, 12:49:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rossco7002:Agreed. The 5575's are more in line spine-wise with the 75-80 woods you have. The big difference is the smaller diameter of the GT's...putting the shaft closer to center. With the right point weight, you could get those 23/64's to tune
Far Rider,
I would go with the heavier spined arrows you already have and just experiment with point weight til you set up is flying well for you. The 60-65s would likely be way weak if your drawing a true 30+.
As per Brian's comment use what you've got til you settle into your new form as you'll tie yourself in knots working on new arrows and a new shooting style at the same time. That's some very sound advice he's giving and I wish I'd heard it a while back myself! Lol
Post by: bicster on December 06, 2013, 06:41:00 PM
I am glad you mentioned the diameter of the arrows changing how close to center. I have mentioned this before and never seemed to get anyone to agree with me. I have found this to make a difference to me.
Post by: katman on December 06, 2013, 07:16:00 PM
Post by: David Mitchell on December 06, 2013, 08:21:00 PM
Post by: katman on December 06, 2013, 10:46:00 PM
I am sure they are all very fine bowyers making excellent products. Good for us. Just wanted to try a forward handle and talked with James first.
Can someone list the bowyers making these style bows to help feed this addiction?
Post by: Rossco7002 on December 06, 2013, 10:51:00 PM
For me, Dave Miller is The Man and I love a nice, gently used Schulz - no doubt. Having said that, JD Berry's bows look like they embody a number of the characteristics that I like to see in a Hill bow: tiny limb tips, narrow / deep limb cross-section, short riser with a deep grip and gentle dish. I can see the appeal.
If anyone has shot both a Berry and a Miller bow I'd be very interested to hear a comparison....
Post by: on December 06, 2013, 10:52:00 PM
Post by: far rider on December 07, 2013, 01:45:00 AM
As far as what gets hot next...I think the wait times are influencing that a lot. Craig at HHA is about 4-6 weeks out right now, and that's the longest I've heard from him. Dave is what...a year? Nate.....two years minimum if he'll put you on the list. I'm not sure what James' wait time is but I think Steve at Northern Mist is about the same as Craig. I would expect him to get hot next.
$.02 worth...I probably owe you change.
Tim
Post by: on December 07, 2013, 02:25:00 AM
Post by: Jacquesbonin on December 07, 2013, 02:36:00 AM
Post by: katman on December 07, 2013, 05:06:00 AM
Post by: Rossco7002 on December 07, 2013, 08:14:00 AM
I've got an Old Tom due sometime over the Christmas / New Year period. It'll be my second one and also my third Miller with the other being an Expedition. I love them!
I also have a brown glass Schulz which is a phenomenal shooter and did have one of his all bamboo Granpa.
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Post by: cahaba on December 07, 2013, 01:47:00 PM
Post by: far rider on December 08, 2013, 11:26:00 AM
I see some really good starting points here.
Form first.
Draw second.
Bow tune third.
Arrow tune forth.
I think I'll grab some field points in the same weight as the broadheads and put them on the heavier spined 23/64s and try those after my form settles down. Been raining for three days here, and I'll be out of town for the next three days (darn work)but I'll get on it ASAP. One thing for sure, I'm going to require a LARGE backstop. I will try to talk my son into videoing me as I presently shoot...with some marked arrows. Then I'll I'll post a link and wait for the constructive critiques.
I also spoke with a few other guys about it, and they're saying the same thing, and I may shorten my bow to a 66 or 67" and get away from the 68 and 70" bows I shoot now.
As always, thanks for the info, and standby for more questions.
Tim
Post by: Blaino on December 08, 2013, 12:46:00 PM
Post by: Kelly on December 08, 2013, 12:47:00 PM
That said, the above is all relative to each individual archer/bow combination.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 08, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rossco7002:Rossco,
I had observed the same thing myself Dave! Lol. I think we're lucky to have so many Hill style bowyers to choose from and when one of them hits critical mass it can seem like they're springing up everywhere.
For me, Dave Miller is The Man and I love a nice, gently used Schulz - no doubt. Having said that, JD Berry's bows look like they embody a number of the characteristics that I like to see in a Hill bow: tiny limb tips, narrow / deep limb cross-section, short riser with a deep grip and gentle dish. I can see the appeal.
If anyone has shot both a Berry and a Miller bow I'd be very interested to hear a comparison....
Having owned an old Tom and multiple Berrys I can say this much...when you get to the top of the game, and make no mistake they are both at the top alot of it then becomes personal preference of the shooter. For me personally, as is obvious , ill take a Berry over any other bow. Reason being is the level of refinement I find in James work and the little details. Shooting wise I feel the Berrys are gentler and seem to perform better pound for pound BUT again it boils down to fit for the shooter.
James limbs are comming in right at 1" at the fades ns 3/8-7/16" at the tips, I love the swoops and that beautiful trap on the belly. There is also not a straight line in James work, everything has a nice classy curve to it.
I liked my old tom alot, nothing I could complain about , it just did not steal my heart and should like my Berrys.
If you where to look hard at your Millers , there would be something that just "JUMPS" out at you that is just breathtaking or the way it sits in your hand. Something about Millers work has entranced you. And it's an amazing feeling when you pick up a bow that speaks to you
Post by: R.V.T.B. on December 08, 2013, 08:26:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on December 08, 2013, 08:49:00 PM
Although there are some distinctly different styling elements between a Berry bow and a Schulz or Miller there are also some very striking similarities in regards to the physical design of the bow. This really intrigues me and makes me think I'd get along well with JD's bows where I ever to try one....
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 08, 2013, 09:09:00 PM
The old tom was second hand. It was 53@27 and 68". The grip was a great size. And the bow shot great too. I Agee about the custom aspect. I feel it does make a difference too.x
Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 09, 2013, 11:13:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on December 09, 2013, 11:31:00 AM
I liked the bow but it went to a friend who I thought at the time, needed it. (long story)
I used to think that someday I might order another but I never have... too busy shooting my JD Berry bows.
God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Blaino on December 09, 2013, 12:48:00 PM
Post by: two4hooking on December 09, 2013, 01:04:00 PM
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Originally posted by David Mitchell:There will always be another.....it seems this thread has degenated a bit to "Bow of the week" or "check out my new bow" and very little anymore of substance in the act of shooting or hunting. Heck hunting season is still in and the only thing everyone is talking about is the bow I have on order....
Hmmmm, seems that this thread has seen several bowyers become the bowyer du jour for a while. Now James is sure getting lots of press. Howard Hill was getting lots of action for a while, then it was Dave Johnson, now nobody mentions Dave then Sunset Hills ran hot for a bit. Does this thing run in cycles? Anybody want to guess who'll be the next hot hand on here? :confused:
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 09, 2013, 01:36:00 PM
I don't think it was geared directly at you. It's the fact that this the thread has went away from Hill style for a bit. It happens every year this time, spring the style talks resume
Post by: two4hooking on December 09, 2013, 02:06:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 09, 2013, 02:11:00 PM
I too LOVE seeing the successful hunts, especially since I have not had an opportunity to hunt in the last two years, I mean I do with my children chasing any animal that's deaf and blind with those two bulldozers with me LOL.
I get to live vicariously thru other members.
I do miss watching Khardrunners progress in his search for that perfect Hill form.....
Post by: on December 09, 2013, 02:53:00 PM
Post by: canopyboy on December 09, 2013, 03:22:00 PM
I thought the arrow post was a nice technical item and just the opposite of what two4 was talking about. I see no reason to refrain from such posts. In fact, it is those type of posts that might be useful and interesting to many of us who are just as interested in shooting these bows as we are in acquiring and drooling over them.
Now where's a picture of that deer you're eating?
-Dave
Post by: typical2 on December 09, 2013, 03:22:00 PM
As you talk about advancements, I wonder what advancements Howard Hill would be taking advantage of. If he were here today I wonder what he would be shooting. Would he be using carbon or foam in his limbs? Would he be shooting carbon arrows? He advanced his bows with the new technology of fiberglass. How much technology would he have taken advantage of. R/D bows? Interesting for me to think about.
Post by: canopyboy on December 09, 2013, 03:29:00 PM
I'm no Howard expert, but I can't help but believe he would have tried the new materials available to him. I think he may have stuck with bamboo cores in his personal bows out an affinity for the material, but would have happily sold bows both ways. I don't think he would have hesitated to use carbon in his bows.
As for R/D, I think he would have tried them and found them more forgiving than the way he seemed to talk about recurves, but I don't think you would have changed his adherence to the basic Hill style bow.
I haven't made up my mind about where I think he'd stand on carbon arrows.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 09, 2013, 03:30:00 PM
I often think of the same things. Just from his books I gather he would still shoot straightlimbed bows, and I know he mentioned that shooting wood arrows felt like the true essence of longbows, but I wonder if carbons would have changed his mind??????
If he felt carbon backing was advantageous I'm sure he would have jumped all over it. Hill was a forward thinker and innovator
Post by: Blaino on December 09, 2013, 04:22:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:
I do not understand why I have more spine tolerance right handed than left with nearly identical bows. I want to shoot those 1918s out of my new Morningstar.
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Originally posted by Blaino:still my .02
pavan- i bet you get a cleaner release right handed.
Post by: on December 09, 2013, 04:27:00 PM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 09, 2013, 09:08:00 PM
To me, what is most interesting about the photo is that Howard is shooting a forward handle straight limbed longbow. The bow is at full draw and looks just like Berry's Morning Star at full draw.
Intuitively obvious is the fact that it is not a R/D design, but a straight limbed longbow, straight out of the 1950's. If I had a scanner, I would post the picture. Perhaps someone else can do that for me.
Post by: Bowitis on December 09, 2013, 09:14:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 09, 2013, 09:56:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/F3927152-6F7D-417F-8A15-F9F56672461A-8680-0000111FD808BF30_zps17288a14.jpg)
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Last picture caption. Read it.
There must be something good about these reverse handles for Howard to choose to shoot it at the 1st annual Hiward Hill Shoot.
I can say this without reservation.....I am a convert to the reverse handle wholeheartedly. My Morningstar and Northstar are my go to bows
Post by: Bowitis on December 09, 2013, 10:00:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 09, 2013, 10:03:00 PM
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Post by: Rossco7002 on December 10, 2013, 08:39:00 AM
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Day break:
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I'm out again this afternoon! Have a great day everyone!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 10, 2013, 10:19:00 AM
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Post by: Sant-Ravenhill on December 10, 2013, 06:21:00 PM
For me the semi-reverse/extra fadeout makes a more pleasing appearance than the straight reverse handle.
Thanks for the pictures!
Post by: Mudd on December 10, 2013, 06:45:00 PM
They are easy to shoot with a lot of the same traits as a reverse or forward handle bow.
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God bless,Mudd
Post by: Overspined on December 10, 2013, 10:24:00 PM
Pavan, I've been thinking about how to ramp up the arrow speed on a reverse handle bow and most the bowyers use a similar reflex in the limbs as the std hill style bow they make as far as I've seen. I'm not sure you could take that loss of draw length and make it up in velocity somewhere else in the build. I think it has to be a different limb design altogether.
Shooting Hill style bows doesn't mean we are into arrow velocity big time, but it would be a neat accomplishment for the forward/reverse handle bow to equal the performance of the standard.
Post by: Overspined on December 10, 2013, 10:33:00 PM
Post by: Bob B. on December 10, 2013, 11:49:00 PM
Great pics, great story ... too bad you did not connect ... keep at it man, I will cross my fingers for ya. Great looking bow by the way!!
Bob.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 11, 2013, 08:47:00 AM
I've heard the claims of reverse handles being slower, and honestly my Whisper was not the quickest, but I have also noticed the same to hold true for stringfollow bows, they seem to loose cast down the way. But with that said my JD Morningstar chronos 183 FPS with a 8.64 GPP arrow (my hunting arrow) and 179 FPS With my 9 GPP arrow, I'm not a speed freak at all but this is comming our of a 50@26" bow, I drew 26". Maybe mine is a fluke, or maybe the range who's chrono I used is not calibrated, but being the shooter behind the stick I can see the differede, and that speed and cast along with te other great attributes of James design moved the Morningstar quickly to my top shooter slot.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 11, 2013, 09:52:00 AM
You calling me a goose necker!!!! Those are scrapping words. LOL
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Post by: tg2nd on December 11, 2013, 03:09:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:pavan,
An odd observation we made concerning chronos and longbows. If one shoots a 27" draw with a locked up straight arm and then the same person shoots a 27" draw with a bent arm out of the same longbow. The bent arm shot will be a faster arrow. We had the same results with three guys and three different bows, although two of us already shot with bent bow arms normally. It all started with trying help a longbow newbie shoot his Hill better. I should add that he was trying to shoot his Hill three under and gunbarreling the arrow. A dead bow arm, head goose necked against his shoulder and with the drawing arm quite high. Getting to the split finger and corner of the mouth anchor gained nothing. Getting him to bend the bow arm, square up the shoulders and and get some snap to the release made a good difference in arrow speed and a good difference in his accuracy. With us it was just a couple of fps slower when shooting with a dead bowarm, but a consistent reading of a slower arrow with the straight arm versus the bent arm.
I think it's not about the elbow.
BUT:
With a bent elbow you don't loose as much back tension, as with a straight elbow.
Release over back tension will need an arrow 5# - 10# heavier in spine. Same thing for chrono results (but in fps).
Hope you understand what I'm writing. English is not my mother's language!
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Post by: Overspined on December 12, 2013, 01:27:00 AM
I'm not dead set on anything anymore. I like a variety of strings and nuances of shooting style. I can say that when I do it "right" (hill style), everything just comes together. His method of shooting is amazing and I'd love to master it. I am flawed, however.
Post by: Overspined on December 12, 2013, 01:36:00 AM
There are quiet curves, but still they don't match the silence of a longbow.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 12, 2013, 08:24:00 AM
You, the archer has to give the bow what the bow requires. You can't force it to do (perform) the way you want it to.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 12, 2013, 08:46:00 AM
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Originally posted by Ric O'Shay:No truer words have been spoken..... Great write up Danny
What I like about the true Hill style longbow is the fact that if you listen to, that is if you are in tune with the bow, it will tell YOU what you are doing be that either good or bad. I believe it takes a relationship between any archer and the bow they are shooting in order to produce a good shot. A "good shot" to me means that every action that produces a shot is perfectly choreographed and is repeated over and over again with each succeeding shot.
You, the archer has to give the bow what the bow requires. You can't force it to do (perform) the way you want it to.
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Post by: typical2 on December 13, 2013, 09:18:00 PM
Reverse handles with same brace as standard handle would of course show little difference.
I need a chronograph to play around with.
Post by: Gordon Jabben on December 13, 2013, 09:30:00 PM
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Post by: Overspined on December 15, 2013, 01:15:00 PM
Steve at Northern Mist said I shoot the 7 1/4 " brace on the 66" whisper too low, as he watched as I immediately swapped out the strings for a longer one I brought with me. That bow is a T/D so I lower the brace until I hear it's too low, then raise it a little. 7 1/4" is what it came to.
If I had a one piece like Typical 2 said, I'd lower it until it quit shooting for me. Haven't tried that yet.
Seems about right to me, 1"-2" different in brace. Reverse handles are probably even more forgiving at a higher brace like 2" higher than a classic Hill. So approx 8".
As I have said, the local trad shop owner said he fixes most "sudden" and panicked inconsistencies with just twisting up the strings of customer's trad bows. Apparently folks don't keep tabs on that very well.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 15, 2013, 01:54:00 PM
You bring up a perfect point. I hadn't shot my vixen in a while due to shooting the Morningstar and I noticed my arrow flight was funky a week or so ago, I meant perfectly tuned arrows acting silly, I put a couple twists on the string and viola, perfect flight. I don't measure brace I just eyeball 1/8" higher than fistmele, and that solved it.
Glad you brought that point up
Post by: on December 15, 2013, 04:15:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on December 15, 2013, 04:28:00 PM
If I get a couple of what I think should have been better hits it's the 1st thing I check.
I always feel better when it needs a twist or two also because then I don't have to take the blame...lol "It's that blasted string that stretched out a bit!"
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 15, 2013, 07:43:00 PM
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Post by: cahaba on December 16, 2013, 12:42:00 AM
Post by: Jim Picarelli on December 16, 2013, 07:02:00 AM
Post by: cahaba on December 16, 2013, 07:20:00 AM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 16, 2013, 07:33:00 AM
"You, the archer has to give the bow what the bow requires. You can't force it to do (perform) the way you want it to."
A "recommended" brace height from a bowyer is just that: "RECOMMENDED"
:bigsmyl:
Post by: ron w on December 16, 2013, 08:32:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on December 16, 2013, 10:09:00 AM
Every bow is different...and by every bow, I mean every bow, even if they appear to be identical in every way.
Don't be afraid to play with your brace height.
There is a "sweet spot" that is unique to your bow.
"Recommended" brace heights should get you in the "ball park" but now it's up to you to find your seat.
It ain't rocket science or brain surgery and it's fun......Have fun with it!!
Merry Christmas and God bless,Mudd
Post by: cahaba on December 16, 2013, 10:30:00 AM
Post by: RC on December 16, 2013, 10:50:00 AM
Post by: Kelly on December 16, 2013, 11:12:00 AM
Hill and Schulz both said to lower the BH till the string ticked your wrist-mind you they were both using B-50.
Lower BH creates more of a powerstroke, higher BH shortens the powerstroke. Personally I find the lower brace height shoots and feels so much better in my hands and just looks correct.
Sure the low BH makes for difficulty if using 5 1/2" fletch but I've stopped using those big feathers awhile ago. Been using 5" and now mostly 4" and getting very good flight. Of course I have lots of weight forward with 190 grain points on my wood shafts-think that helps-learned that from shooting high FOC carbons that had 260 grains up front. The more FOC the better they fly, IMO.
Post by: canopyboy on December 16, 2013, 11:33:00 AM
Measuring from the back instead of the belly side of the handle makes sense from a bow performance/consistency in measurement among various hand grips. But since my limit seems to be driven by the distance from my wrist to the string, the traditional way of meauring seems to be the way to go.
Post by: far rider on December 16, 2013, 11:47:00 AM
Details to follow.
:archer:
Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 16, 2013, 04:39:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by far rider:
Guys (gals) your killing me. Love the thread, but your killing me. Mudd, you in particular! It's like your the evil emperor using your dark Jedi mind tricks on my weak sub conscience. I go to sleep hearing "Luke......you need a bow" over and over again!!!! James....your a Sith as well I believe now.
Details to follow.
:bigsmyl: :bigsmyl: :bigsmyl:
Post by: MikeNova on December 16, 2013, 05:05:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 16, 2013, 05:28:00 PM
Post by: far rider on December 16, 2013, 06:02:00 PM
What's this?????
Post by: far rider on December 16, 2013, 05:59:00 PM
I gotta go to a thing at my son's high school. Back in a few.
Then the evil will be revealed!!!!!
Post by: on December 16, 2013, 07:32:00 PM
Post by: far rider on December 16, 2013, 09:01:00 PM
I awake night after night, sweating, dizzy and disorientated. What could the dream mean, what is this magical land called "northwest". Each day I busy myself with work, with chores. At night I drink coffee and dare the night to approach. It comes all the same and the dreams with it.
Night after night the dreams come until suddenly a message from this land called Missouri and with it the key to it all. Like the wishful guitarist who stands at the crossroads anticipating Ole' Scratch, I await the offering.
As I awake one starry night I realize it's not a dream, but reality and opportunity. KNOCK, KNOCK, KNOCK comes the pounding on my door. Who am I to resist such temptation? How is a mere mortal to withstand the constant onslaught? "Come in, Come in" says I.
Then, as if the fog lifts, the moon steps aside and the "North Star" shines with all the answers there revealed in wondrous lines of symmetry and glorious form.
(http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/4d0d1f91-9a29-4adb-acb9-f78e087e01c1.jpg) (http://s894.photobucket.com/user/timwsmith/media/4d0d1f91-9a29-4adb-acb9-f78e087e01c1.jpg.html)
(http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac144/timwsmith/PC150028.jpg) (http://s894.photobucket.com/user/timwsmith/media/PC150028.jpg.html)
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North Star takes its place along side such greats as Wesley, Halfbreed, Redman, and Cheetah.
Tim (http://s894.photobucket.com/user/timwsmith/media/PC150026.jpg.html)
Post by: antler chaser on December 16, 2013, 09:43:00 PM
I'm curious,while we are on the brace height subject, I have always pondered if you have a longer draw if your bh is higher? 31'' plus.I seem to run 6''3/4 to 7 so how about you long draw HH shooters, what do you run for a bh?
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 16, 2013, 10:00:00 PM
Now that is a bow introduction, but I must say you may want to leave the egg nog alone for a little while. LOL. You have picked up an absolute stunning bow. Those limbs are mesmerizing.
Post by: Mudd on December 16, 2013, 10:38:00 PM
Your "Morning Star" not only has beauty but it has added "Mojo" from two of us.
It is true that it's total deer numbers has been diminished by one but there's a bunch left it for the future.
Enjoy!!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: RC on December 16, 2013, 11:04:00 PM
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Post by: far rider on December 17, 2013, 12:33:00 AM
Good question there Steve. I draw long and am interested to see the answers.
Brian, you can't imagine how lucky I was on this one. Just fell out of the sky....no pun intended.
Tim
Post by: Overspined on December 17, 2013, 12:34:00 AM
PAVAN, 20 fps for 1" of brace??? Really? Cut your bow nocks in backwards on any longbow and I doubt you lose 20! :archer2:
Post by: Overspined on December 17, 2013, 12:36:00 AM
Post by: on December 17, 2013, 12:41:00 AM
Post by: on December 17, 2013, 01:08:00 AM
To get the maximum efficiency, the bow should never be braced higher than 6" nor less than 5&3/4" fistmele. A higher bracing can cause a loss in speed of up to 20 fps. The nocking point should be approximately 1/16" above horizontal.
Post by: cahaba on December 17, 2013, 02:08:00 AM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 17, 2013, 08:36:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 17, 2013, 08:41:00 AM
The deer have joined ranks and are official putting you on the terrorist watch list in the swamps. You are like the Carlos Hathcock of the swamps
Post by: Blaino on December 17, 2013, 09:26:00 AM
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Originally posted by antler chaser:I draw right at 30" and shoot my 70" Wesley at 6"... started out around 6.75" and backed it down until the bow said "right there" and that turned out to be 6"
Good looking bow far rider!
I'm curious,while we are on the brace height subject, I have always pondered if you have a longer draw if your bh is higher? 31'' plus.I seem to run 6''3/4 to 7 so how about you long draw HH shooters, what do you run for a bh?
Don’t worry with number until your bow is set up the way it wants to be shot and then write them down for later reference.
Post by: Gordon Jabben on December 17, 2013, 09:31:00 AM
Post by: smoke1953 on December 17, 2013, 09:45:00 AM
Post by: far rider on December 17, 2013, 10:44:00 AM
When you guys reference brace height as a certain measurement "fistmele" what are you saying. Is it a point of reference such as deepest part of the grip, or a certain way of measuring?
Tim
Post by: Ric O'Shay on December 17, 2013, 10:51:00 AM
Different bowyers have different reference points for their own brace height. Some measure the deepest part of the grip to the string, some measure from the belly of the bow to the string and others measure from the back of the bow to the string. Most bowyers will tell you where and how they measure.
It's all good, you just need to know if you are talking about apples or oranges or fruit cakes. :saywhat:
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 17, 2013, 10:54:00 AM
In reference to your new Berry, measure from the belly side of the shelf to your string
Post by: far rider on December 17, 2013, 11:21:00 AM
Tim
Post by: SlowBowinMO on December 17, 2013, 11:30:00 AM
Made sense to me since the bow is at the end of its power stroke by the time it hits the brace height adjustment, whereas its at the peak of its power when you add an inch of draw length.
Obviously a proper brace is huge during tuning for proper shooting qualities though.
FWIW.
Post by: Nattybumppo on December 17, 2013, 11:34:00 AM
Finally... The longest running thread I have ever seen on any forum... I finally get to get in on it!!!
This is my first HIll bow. Howard HIll Archery Cheetah. 66" 44# @ 28". Right now I am shooting some old Buckbuster 45/60s out of it with inserts and 140 gr Magnus. And it's shooting good. I am enjoying it. Definite shooting style change for me. But the bow is so light and easy to carry and FUN!
Post by: Overspined on December 17, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
Besides arrow velocity and all, it's curious how I have given the low brace a go without success, yet others can pull it off.
It must have something to do with follow through and finger release characteristics/torque where the arrow's paradox aligns just right and allows for clean arrow flight. I would bet the string/arrow reaction to the loose may be quite different from shooter to shooter. I tend to torque the string a little by pulling my ring finger outward a bit, I do notice when I clean that up arrow flight and accuracy is super clean.
I remember when I heard of a few shooters having success with low brace heights, I experimented until I was really frustrated and added some twists.
I haven't ever noticed large differences in arrow speed for brace adjustments, but I'm sure that could be different between bows/designs.
Post by: centaur on December 17, 2013, 11:54:00 AM
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/efadbbc3-7823-4a94-8347-cab38a7893dc_zps83c96e0f.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/efadbbc3-7823-4a94-8347-cab38a7893dc_zps83c96e0f.jpg.html)
Love the look of juniper.
Post by: far rider on December 17, 2013, 11:55:00 AM
Great catch!
Tim
Post by: Jacquesbonin on December 17, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
Post by: Overspined on December 17, 2013, 11:58:00 AM
With all the variables that we are able to change, what does the clan here think has made the biggest difference in accuracy using Hill style bows?
What about bow performance?
Post by: David Mitchell on December 17, 2013, 12:03:00 PM
Post by: far rider on December 17, 2013, 12:10:00 PM
So, it would stand to reason (at least in my brain, scary), that a properly tillered bow for a certain length when braced perfect would expend it's peak energy into the arrow at the the perfect moment of the arrow leaving the string. So a higher than optimal brace would have the arrow leaving the string during the upward energy trend and prior to peak energy moment, and a low brace would be worse as the bow has now lost energy and the arrow is "pulling" the string for an instant.
Am I anywhere near the mark?
Of course there is also the variable of arrow weight, spine, and point weight. Seems that would change with different setups.
Tim
Post by: Dave Thaxton on December 17, 2013, 01:17:00 PM
Not new to Hill bows...just going home!
Post by: canopyboy on December 17, 2013, 01:32:00 PM
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Originally posted by Nattybumppo:Darn tootin'!
...and FUN!
Post by: canopyboy on December 17, 2013, 01:34:00 PM
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Originally posted by Dave Thaxton:For awhile that was definitely the case. But I thought a few people have recently had them come in very close. If it were important to me, I would express my concerns to Craig over the phone when I placed my order and get his opinion. Otherwise, if you order down a few pounds and he nails it, you've got a bow lighter than you wanted... (Not always a bad thing.)
Very interesting reading the brace height thoughts and processes. Please allow me to divert attention for just a moment. Within the next week I will be ordering a new bow from Craig. Am I correct that the concensus is that the majority of Ekin Hills come in 4-5 #'s heavier than marked? Just wanting to be sure about this before placing an order. Thanks for your reply.
Not new to Hill bows...just going home!
Post by: on December 17, 2013, 02:18:00 PM
About brace adjustments. On some bow designs,recurves, brace heights will not show as much speed differences. Far Rider is correct. Another odd thing that I have noticed. Bows that shoot nice with a lower brace, shoot a faster arrow than a longbow that needs a higher brace, even if both bows are set at the same brace height. I think it has to do with the timing of when the limb is dumping its energy. Many times when guys need a higher than average brace for a particular bow, the culprit is arrow spine. They may have either chosen too stiff an arrow or their release is softer which requires a lower spine. As an example, I have two identical bows. The right hand one likes 1918s cut to 27" bop with anything from 125 screw ins to 160s glued onto glue-in adapters, which happen to be just a few grains heavier than 145 screw target points on the arrows with the screw-in insert. The left hand bow only likes the 125 grain screw-ins if I make certain that my release is as hard as I can make it when I am in my back yard. When I go out stump shooting and I am shooting at 45 yard stuff, both bows like the same shaft set ups. In my back yard, I tend to shoot a bit soft left handed, even though when shooting a much heavier left/right hand bow I feel stronger left handed. My point is that there is a physical reason for everything. If you want to squeeze out some more speed and your bow is one of those that shoots a faster arrow with a lower brace, the problem could perhaps be solved by going to a softer arrow. I think that I get by with more tolerance with net length cedars than with aluminum or graphite arrows cut longer. My former Schulz would shoots everything from extra heavy for the spine tapered cedars from 75 pound spines all the way down to 60 pound spines. If I broke off a point I would just put on a blunt and I would still get good arrow flight with either arrow. When tried to set up a net length aluminum, I had to drop way down to a 2016 and then find much heavier points to make it work. The weight spread from target point to broadhead was too much, considering that the broahead arrows were 2018s with 160 grain broadheads, so I went back to cedars. Some bows shoot nice with a B50 string and some are horrible. When I find a bow that shoots nice with a B50, even if there are things that I like about what a fast flight does for it, I tend to prefer the B50. If I have a bow that will only shoot just good enough with a fast flight and is just horrible with a B50, the temptation to attack it with a file and sandpaper is at times overwhelming.
How about that for a rant.
Post by: typical2 on December 17, 2013, 03:08:00 PM
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Post by: Overspined on December 17, 2013, 09:38:00 PM
Pavan, good point on the bow scales. They often aren't calibrated. The last two HHA bows I had were 50/50. One was good, the other 4# heavier than stated. They will fix it if a mistake was made.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 17, 2013, 11:13:00 PM
I rarely take an exact measurement on my BH actually. I set it a touch above my fistmele to start. From there I tune up my arrow and head weight of choice. If I see something in flight I don't care for I will raise or lower my BH accordingly. Wherever it lands , it lands and I don't think anymore into it. I'm more concerned with optimal arrow flight and ill adjust accordingly,
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 17, 2013, 11:16:00 PM
Post by: far rider on December 18, 2013, 01:47:00 AM
Hey guys, I may be WAY off here, as my post is far more of a question than advice or opinion. When I throw my two cents in, I usually owe somebody some change.
Tim
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Post by: jsparky93 on December 18, 2013, 10:35:00 PM
Shedua riser with Carmelized boo under clear glass 66" 55# @26".
(http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy182/jsparky93/010.jpg) (http://s790.photobucket.com/user/jsparky93/media/010.jpg.html)
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Post by: cahaba on December 18, 2013, 10:51:00 PM
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Post by: Green on December 19, 2013, 05:33:00 AM
Post by: David Mitchell on December 19, 2013, 09:54:00 AM
Post by: far rider on December 19, 2013, 11:49:00 AM
Another bow I should have kept and hunted and never bought another one....derp.
Tim
Post by: Overspined on December 19, 2013, 01:00:00 PM
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Originally posted by far rider:So funny. There are a couple out there I wish I had back as well! Always seems like a good idea at the time...
The Big 5 I had (sold to GRS) was probably the most accurate and well tuned bow I had, so naturally it would make sense to sell it. I like that carmel boo, nice, nice.
Another bow I should have kept and hunted and never bought another one....derp.
Tim
Post by: Richard Rounds on December 19, 2013, 02:14:00 PM
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Post by: Linwood Hines on December 20, 2013, 11:50:00 PM
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Post by: Dan bree on December 21, 2013, 08:55:00 AM
Post by: Bud B. on December 21, 2013, 10:01:00 AM
(http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg331/lshines/IMG_0742_zps7fb8201c.jpg)
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Post by: Dan bree on December 21, 2013, 11:06:00 AM
Post by: Linwood Hines on December 21, 2013, 12:41:00 PM
Yes, yew over bamboo. I think it's classic gorgeous!
This bow shoots QUICK! Smooth tho! There's a "snap" that seems to accelerate the arrow, not just a linear acceleration that I'm use to - or maybe it's just my excitement with a new bow. The Surewood Shafts that I got seem to work well with all three HHstyle bows I have - AND the weather here is superb - 70+ degrees - and I'm going stump shooting! Merry Christmas!
Post by: SlowBowinMO on December 21, 2013, 01:05:00 PM
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Post by: jsparky93 on December 21, 2013, 01:50:00 PM
Post by: Ken Babicky on December 21, 2013, 02:09:00 PM
I have been struggling for the last month between getting the Redman or the Cheetah. I stayed pretty basic but went with a Redman, LH, 68”, 55# @28”, clear glass, cocobolo riser, large locator grip with laced elk hide. My first Hill was a 70" Wesley which I still have, the 2nd a 66" Big Five. Now the wait, which isn't bad. With the Holidays he said it would probably be about four weeks.
Tick tock tick tock...
Post by: jsparky93 on December 21, 2013, 02:30:00 PM
Post by: SlowBowinMO on December 21, 2013, 03:02:00 PM
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Originally posted by jsparky93:I saw on another site they were priced about the same as most, $550.
That is a nice looking bow. I had looked at those before but he doesn't list any base prices on the web site. I guess I just like to know what im getting into before I make a call. None the less that's a beauty!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 21, 2013, 03:03:00 PM
What's the shelve cut to?
Post by: far rider on December 21, 2013, 03:47:00 PM
No time presently to shoot it. Gonna run some arrows through it this evening or tomorrow, and she's headed to the woods Monday to see if I can put some Mojo in it!
Tim
Post by: jsparky93 on December 21, 2013, 03:49:00 PM
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Originally posted by Braveheart Archery:Now that you mention it I remember seeing that post. Anyway I emailed Joel & recieved an answer in less than 1/2 an hour.Base price $550. Koa wood in the handle is an additional $30.
QuoteOriginally posted by jsparky93:I saw on another site they were priced about the same as most, $550. [/b]
That is a nice looking bow. I had looked at those before but he doesn't list any base prices on the web site. I guess I just like to know what im getting into before I make a call. None the less that's a beauty!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 21, 2013, 04:12:00 PM
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Originally posted by far rider:Tim,
JD Berry North star in the house......more to come!
No time presently to shoot it. Gonna run some arrows through it this evening or tomorrow, and she's headed to the woods Monday to see if I can put some Mojo in it!
Tim
Glad to hear it made it. I know the holidays slowed it il up a bit for ya. Look forward to hearing how you like the reverse handle.
Post by: Mudd on December 21, 2013, 06:22:00 PM
I look forward to pictures and your take on how it works for you.
Congratulations!!
Merry Christmas and God bless, Mudd
Post by: Paul_R on December 22, 2013, 12:59:00 PM
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20131222_093344.jpg)
Left: Big River, 66" 50#@28"
Right 7 Lakes, 68" 49#@28"
Got both of these right here in the TragGang classifieds. The Big River has even been pictured in this very thread by it's previous owner! :D
I put new grip leather on both of these. I like a rim at the top, especially with a straight grip and I used leather to build depth to fit my XL hand. And I like a clean seam with no laces.
Kinda proud of how the 7 Lakes turned out, I added 1/4" of depth on that one (leather strips on back and belly under the wrap).
Before at 1 7/8" deep
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/null_zps7d85bb12.jpeg)
After at 2 1/8" deep
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 22, 2013, 02:02:00 PM
I love how you did the rim up top.
It would be great for you to do a little tutorial on how you did it (with pics) for others who may like to duplicate that.
Again congrats
Post by: Paul_R on December 22, 2013, 02:38:00 PM
Tutorial (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000052)
The only thing I did different was cement leather strips the length and width of the grip to the back and belly of the bow. I feathered the edges in place with a sanding block. A belt sander is a lot faster if you're skilled (and brave).
Post by: bsv on December 22, 2013, 03:17:00 PM
Burt
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 22, 2013, 03:34:00 PM
Thanks for the link.
Post by: Bud B. on December 22, 2013, 11:56:00 PM
Post by: jwhitetail on December 23, 2013, 12:27:00 PM
Tim, have fun with that NorthStar.
Post by: Knapper on December 23, 2013, 04:14:00 PM
Thanks
Tom
Post by: far rider on December 23, 2013, 05:18:00 PM
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Originally posted by Knapper:http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=128184
When is the HH hunt in Georgia? Where is information?
Thanks
Tom
There ya go Tom
Post by: Blaino on December 23, 2013, 08:57:00 PM
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Post by: sticksnstones on December 24, 2013, 07:08:00 AM
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Originally posted by Blaino:Hey Blaine, I'll have mine at the hog hunt next month. Bring arrows and shoot it all you want. It's the yew string follow, RH 69" 51@29.
Them Jet bows have gotten my attention! Nice bow Linwood.
Now it's time to go climb a tree, Merry Christmas everyone!
Thom
Post by: subsonic on December 24, 2013, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: Dan bree on December 25, 2013, 11:27:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on December 26, 2013, 08:55:00 AM
I think she was a hit!!
(http:// [url=http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo_zpscd47f6a7.jpg.html] [img]http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo_zpscd47f6a7.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]
Happy New Year!!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: on December 27, 2013, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: katman on December 27, 2013, 01:50:00 PM
Still on the fence between the Morning Star and North Star, anyone have/shot both and could post there thoughts? I am on JD's build list but have some time to go AARRGG. :help:
Mudd, a direct hit I would say. :thumbsup:
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 27, 2013, 01:55:00 PM
Get in the woods!!!!!!!! You can be sick when the sun goes down :)
Katman,
I own both the Morningstar and the Northstar. It's not a fair comparison on my side as the MS is 68" and 50@26 and the NS is 62" and 54@26 BUT they are both AWSOME.
What it will boil down to is if you prefer backset or stringfollow. Myself, I'm a backset fan. I like the feel on draw and release a little better, the Northstar is softer at the beginning of the draw and softer on release. They both handle and shoot great. The stringfollow is easier to string :) .
I would trade either. The Northstar was ordered for some of my tighter hunting areas and the Morningstar is my everything from hunting to 3D to indoor 300 bow.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 27, 2013, 02:11:00 PM
To much traveling for this family man. I have my new job scheduled to start in the next few weeks back home so I am taking some well needed family time this weekend. Monday the kids are back to school and mama is working so I will be wondering around the woods for the first time in 2 seasons.
the JD Berry Morningstar has be selected as starting lineup and if all goes well I may be able to put some fur on the ground. If not, then the solitude of the woods with my straightlimbed bow will be reward enough.
Took some shots this morning with my broad heads and were looking spot on out to 30 so all that awaits is a critter who deaf and blind to let me get close enough.
Post by: katman on December 27, 2013, 02:14:00 PM
So the northstar can be had in a shorter length than the morning star and still be a stable shooter without finger pinch?
JD and I will talk this over since I draw 29. Need to find some to shoot.
Post by: Rossco7002 on December 27, 2013, 02:28:00 PM
I'm out for my last whitetail hunt of the season tomorrow. Set to be a beautiful day in the woods!
Post by: far rider on December 27, 2013, 02:37:00 PM
Tim
Post by: Mudd on December 27, 2013, 02:54:00 PM
Good on you brother!!
Pavan I expect to see some blood.
God bless and Happy New Year, Mudd
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 27, 2013, 02:56:00 PM
James specifically designed the Northstar for people wanting to shoot straightlimbed bows and maintain the balance point ability smoothness etc that we all love in this style but want them shorter for right quarters and tree stands,
Well I'm hear to say he nailed it
Post by: on December 27, 2013, 08:04:00 PM
Post by: Green on December 27, 2013, 08:15:00 PM
Post by: far rider on December 27, 2013, 09:08:00 PM
I have no idea how long she has been there or if she has been preceded by others that I am yet unaware of. I do my best impression of a tree for the moment and she seems satisfied enough to continue her stroll into the wood lot on a path that I hope will bring her within crock pot range.
My Redman is across my lap, my arrows close enough, so I quickly pluck a Zwickey tipped cedar, nock it and resume my vigil. There are more now, seven in total that I know of, milling around and nibbling on grass.
Did I mention that I quickly grabbed my arrow? Well, maybe a little too quickly. As I'm watching them graze, one or possibly more have been watching me. I wasn't hid nearly as well as I thought, and they let me know it by waving bye, bye as they returned from whence they came.
Oh well, it was still an awesome day, and an appreciated departure after more than two weeks hiatus, the holiday rush, working on Christmas day, and a bad cold. Woo hoo!
By the way, for those that have not E. Donnall Thomas Jr.'s book, it is an excellent read.
Tim
Post by: katman on December 28, 2013, 03:04:00 PM
Keep at it Pavan and good luck to you.
Farrider, Love Mr. Thomas's writing also. The deer get quite skiddish at season s end. At least you saw deer during daylight. Keep at it and make some meat with that Northstar.
Post by: Swamp Yankee on December 28, 2013, 03:52:00 PM
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll48/danking49/Superior1.jpg) (http://s285.photobucket.com/user/danking49/media/Superior1.jpg.html)
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll48/danking49/Superior2.jpg) (http://s285.photobucket.com/user/danking49/media/Superior2.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 28, 2013, 03:58:00 PM
Post by: threeunder on December 28, 2013, 04:09:00 PM
I know this is purely subjective, but was wondering how different the draw feels between a HH Big 5 and the Wesley Special.
Is there a gain in smoothness with that 5th lamination?
I've got a 66" Big 5 and am thinking about ordering a 68" Wesley Special in hopes of getting a bit smoother draw. I draw 27 1/2" and realize I probably need a 68" bow.
I own 2 68" NM bows (Classic and Shelton) and the draw on the Shelton will spoil a fellow...LOL
I really, REALLY like the Big 5 I have, but the draw just isn't hardly as smooth as I'd like.
Thanks
Ken
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 28, 2013, 04:25:00 PM
I have a misty dawn (stringfollow) and vixen (backset) and the stringfollow is smoother on draw
Post by: threeunder on December 28, 2013, 04:57:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on December 28, 2013, 05:02:00 PM
Post by: Gordon Jabben on December 28, 2013, 05:27:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 28, 2013, 05:59:00 PM
What's the specs on your new superior (which is an r/d bow)?
I had one, bocote riser and tips. 56@28 wondering if its my old one
Post by: Gordon Jabben on December 28, 2013, 06:04:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 28, 2013, 06:13:00 PM
If you search it you will see some pics I posted.
Post by: Gordon Jabben on December 28, 2013, 06:23:00 PM
Post by: far rider on December 28, 2013, 07:56:00 PM
As Rossco stated, Craig will build any of his bows with up to 1" of string follow, or swing it the other way with 1" of backset.
Tim
Post by: far rider on December 29, 2013, 07:33:00 PM
One thing I noticed immediately was how narrow the limbs and tips are as compared to other ASLs I've owned. The tips are so small that I had trouble using my stringer, as it was stretched to fit my Hills.
Deep, thin, straight grip, that took a little getting used to. Not in a bad way, just different than my HHAs.
I'm gonna need some new cedars though as these are a little light in spine. The accuracy was better with the 55/75 GTs with the same 145 up front, but created a bit more noise. Not sure how the total weight compares on the two, but I would guess the cedars to be a bit heavier overall.
Very smooth on the draw which I would expect from a forward riser string follow bow, but the different grip was causing me some torquing issues until I figured it out. Its marked 56@29, but draws like a 50#.
I definitely need to spend more time with it and get it tuned properly, and probably need to go up one spine on a set of woodies.
It has a B-50 the previous owner made up, but I feel like it would respond a little better to a FF.
I think I'm going to get along with it just fine when I get it tuned up.
Tim
Post by: on December 29, 2013, 11:39:00 PM
Post by: far rider on December 30, 2013, 02:08:00 AM
That sounds very much like the grip on my North Star. Very thin, and just felt very different than the Hill grips I'm used to. Not in a bad way, just different. I did like it though, but it took me a little while to "come to grips" with it....uh, yeah? I couldn't believe how much narrower the limbs and tips are beside my Hills.
I'm not ready to jump ship from my Hills yet, but it definitely has my attention.
Tim
Post by: Rossco7002 on December 30, 2013, 10:15:00 AM
Post by: on December 30, 2013, 11:51:00 AM
Post by: cahaba on December 30, 2013, 12:22:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 30, 2013, 02:46:00 PM
Here is a pic I managed to get before my fingers froze off..
The Morningstar in its native habitat
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/DSCF0972_zps1007ffa6.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/DSCF0972_zps1007ffa6.jpg.html)
Post by: Rossco7002 on December 30, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
Post by: on December 30, 2013, 06:12:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 30, 2013, 07:29:00 PM
You are very very correct. Our ideas of brutally cold are very different. Lol. But it was too cold for me for sure. You would haw probably been in shorts and a Hawaian shirt ha
Post by: Rossco7002 on December 30, 2013, 08:56:00 PM
This season, we've been consistently at -20F or lower for most of December. It was not cool (pardon the pun).... Layer after layer of clothing. Drastically reduced game movement... Painful stand sits and impossible to still hunt. Demoralizing.
My trip to the Hog Hunt in Georgia last February pretty much confirmed what I already knew. Milder temps and the chance to tread the woods, Hill bow in hand with light wool and flannel really is the way to go. 12 years til retirement.... Lol
Post by: Green on December 30, 2013, 09:29:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 30, 2013, 09:52:00 PM
That is one of the hundreds of Osage Oragnes that dominate this particular woodlot. They get to doing some crazy grows. When it warms up I'm gonna take the kids for a hike and do a pictorial of all the different Osage trees and their gnarly shapes on this land.
Post by: Overspined on December 30, 2013, 10:23:00 PM
A lot of shooters really don't like the sharp grip on the belly side of the bow, and it can be too sharp if the bowyer isn't careful, but you do get used to a good one in a little time and it's easy to see why it's so good at reducing torque with a normal Hill style bow. My favorite is not quite 2" deep and maybe an 1" wide, with a thicker back than belly in a nice wedge. I think there are those that can shoot any grip, but many folks benefit with certain designs that promote good form, as Pavan explained why he has a preference.
BTW, Good luck out there Brian, it's absolutely frigid in MI and I'm sure where you are as well!
Post by: on December 31, 2013, 12:00:00 AM
Post by: RC on December 31, 2013, 01:13:00 AM
I built the first with Action -boo and I`m thinking about building one from either maple or elm. I also will try to get it to come out with maybe 1/2" of backset. My first was string follow and shoots good but it is not a speedy one for sure. I have owned near a dozen Hill bows so I do have a feel of how swift one should shoot.I know speed don`t kill but an arrow of the same weight going faster will penetrate best.
Here is my questions...Do you guys see a difference in cast from maple,red elm or boo?
Also does anyone have any idea how much string follow takes away from performance compare to a backset of the same pounds. Thanks,RC.
Post by: on December 31, 2013, 01:37:00 AM
Post by: David Mitchell on December 31, 2013, 09:13:00 AM
Post by: ron w on January 02, 2014, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 02, 2014, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 02, 2014, 05:40:00 PM
the uniform of the day was JD Berry Morningstar with western larch shafts and my new hip quiver. (hip quiver will be a story of its own) (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/quiver/null_zpsb5b6f9d0.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/quiver/null_zpsb5b6f9d0.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 02, 2014, 05:43:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0981_zpscf136d5d.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0981_zpscf136d5d.jpg.html)
we got a fresh 3" last night, i got to woods around 11 and this was practically the only tracks I found after walking thru 25 acre of land. Not much was moving
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0982_zps61e8ca8d.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0982_zps61e8ca8d.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0979_zps41a5e85d.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0979_zps41a5e85d.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 02, 2014, 05:47:00 PM
this is right at the entrance to the woods. Corn field behind there. This mound of dirt was one of my victims. (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0993_zpsf58bcd43.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0993_zpsf58bcd43.jpg.html)
same mound, different angle. Shot was 45 yards (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0998_zpsbea28e39.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0998_zpsbea28e39.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0992_zps57d4af9e.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0992_zps57d4af9e.jpg.html)
this shot from 15 yards (http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0999_zps79de4535.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0999_zps79de4535.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 02, 2014, 05:48:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0997_zpsc70f6332.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0997_zpsc70f6332.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF1001_zps2c4723eb.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF1001_zps2c4723eb.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 02, 2014, 05:50:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF1002_zpsd9f1b682.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF1002_zpsd9f1b682.jpg.html)
This quiver has answered my prayers on finding the perfect hunting/3d quiver.
silent when moving, doesn't hang up on anything, you can slip thru the thickest of thickest and it just rides along. Arrows do not rattle one bit. I have found quiver nirvana.
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF1003_zpsb34ab641.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF1003_zpsb34ab641.jpg.html)
Post by: RC on January 02, 2014, 05:51:00 PM
I really am starting to like those reverse handle bows. I may try to throw one together sometime.RC
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 02, 2014, 05:53:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0988_zps222a4053.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/stump%20shoot%202014/DSCF0988_zps222a4053.jpg.html)
Thanks RC. You really should, I think you will be very happy with the outcome.
Post by: katman on January 02, 2014, 06:52:00 PM
Post by: Green on January 02, 2014, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: ron w on January 02, 2014, 07:15:00 PM
Post by: Paul_R on January 03, 2014, 11:08:00 AM
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140103_074437.jpg~original)
And I think it likes me too, look how well it did with the first four shots at 18 yards using the set up exactly as it came out of the box (good job Mike Walker and thanks again!)
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140102_165138.jpg~original)
Post by: on January 03, 2014, 12:13:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 03, 2014, 01:50:00 PM
Post by: far rider on January 03, 2014, 04:40:00 PM
It appears to have found a forever home, and looks as if it has settled in quite well!
:archer:
Tim
Post by: cahaba on January 03, 2014, 11:02:00 PM
Post by: ChuckC on January 04, 2014, 08:08:00 PM
ChuckC
Post by: WESTBROOK on January 04, 2014, 10:24:00 PM
Eric
Post by: Austin Brown on January 05, 2014, 02:55:00 PM
Post by: katman on January 05, 2014, 03:28:00 PM
Post by: ChuckC on January 05, 2014, 07:37:00 PM
low 6 is where I have it. I am used to 8" on my other bow and I was questioning the set up.
ChuckC
Post by: on January 07, 2014, 02:34:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on January 07, 2014, 03:47:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 07, 2014, 05:44:00 PM
My Morningstar tends to like shafts stiffer than one would think, but admittedly I'm not much of a woodie shooter.
The videos of me shooting the Morningstar are with carbons that come in at 8.34 GPP , and it is SILENT, a heavier shaft will only help matters. :)
Post by: lone hunter on January 07, 2014, 07:20:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 07, 2014, 08:05:00 PM
Post by: Jim Picarelli on January 07, 2014, 08:37:00 PM
Post by: far rider on January 07, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
All my ASLs are quiet, but this one takes it to a new level.
More tuning to come.
Tim
Post by: Paul_R on January 08, 2014, 02:48:00 PM
Post by: smoke1953 on January 08, 2014, 03:58:00 PM
Post by: Austin Brown on January 08, 2014, 04:00:00 PM
Post by: Green on January 08, 2014, 04:27:00 PM
Post by: JDBerry on January 08, 2014, 05:09:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 08, 2014, 05:16:00 PM
Those Morningstars are a very well designed bow. I absolutly love mine, and it quickly took first place in my stable. Smooth, quiet, quick point able. What's not to like!!
I shoot mine with .500 carbons with 175 up front for a total of 438 grains (8.34 GPP) and it is still extremely quiet and well behaved. No need to weigh it down with heavy arrows to get it to behave.
Post by: on January 08, 2014, 05:21:00 PM
Post by: katman on January 08, 2014, 07:35:00 PM
Post by: centaur on January 08, 2014, 07:43:00 PM
Post by: nineworlds9 on January 08, 2014, 08:11:00 PM
This is the result.
Meet the 'Werewolf'. Lefty Bama Tribute, 69" 94@29, wenge riser with wenge overlay, black glass, black phenolic tips, and black leather laced locator grip, 4 lams of bamboo:
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps65a0b0c4.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps4de7bb79.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zpscc392b0f.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps9be10655.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps255da34d.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps73dcc0cf.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps5f5e2f5f.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/null_zps3647c7ec.jpg)
Shot her tonight with my heavy wood arrows at 15 and 20 yds. My brother measured my draw, I'm pulling her to 28 3/4", so 93#?? LOL. She shoots like a dream. SO quiet. Selfbow quiet. ZERO handshock of any kind. Just a real faint bump. Actually one of the most, if not the most well mannered Hills I have shot to date. The locator grip is perfect. Nate built it to the dimensions I requested. He was great to work with, very friendly and made it his mission to make the bow just how I wanted. He normally does not stock wenge and he made it a point to be willing to build a wenge bow on my request and find a really pretty piece for me. It looks way more brown than it is in the bright light. It is darker in person, I love the black streaks.
The bow is a winner and my chosen Hill. Thanks Nate!
Post by: Paul_R on January 08, 2014, 08:24:00 PM
Post by: katman on January 08, 2014, 08:45:00 PM
Post by: J.T. on January 08, 2014, 09:16:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/FA57iv3.jpg)
70" [email protected] Northern Mist Classic Walnut riser Ash cores under green glass with a straight grip. Shoots like a dream no hand shock and very quiet loves 800 grain woodies. Full story and more pics here http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=134774
Post by: Paul_R on January 08, 2014, 09:29:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 08, 2014, 09:46:00 PM
Some heavy hitters
Post by: katman on January 08, 2014, 09:48:00 PM
Post by: nineworlds9 on January 08, 2014, 10:13:00 PM
JT- that NM is awesome!!
Post by: Rossco7002 on January 08, 2014, 10:18:00 PM
;-)
Post by: nineworlds9 on January 08, 2014, 10:30:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rossco7002:"is this setup good enough for... blue whale?"...bahahaha, LMAO
Wow! Those are two awesome looking set ups guys - congrats. At those draw weights and draw lengths I don't think I'll ever see those bows featured in a "is this set up good enough for ......?" threads. Lol
;-)
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 09, 2014, 09:33:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Rossco7002:1957 Cadillac engine blocks? Abandoned refrigerators? Blacksmith's anvils? :saywhat:
Wow! Those are two awesome looking set ups guys - congrats. At those draw weights and draw lengths I don't think I'll ever see those bows featured in a "is this set up good enough for ......?" threads. Lol
;-)
Post by: Overspined on January 09, 2014, 09:58:00 AM
Post by: ron w on January 09, 2014, 10:56:00 AM
Post by: 2treks on January 09, 2014, 11:52:00 AM
I am working on one right now that might not hurt as bad as that 75@31. Its a classic and I know she will rip a log thru a barn. plus that walnut is to die for. I would love to find a barn full of it.
Some nice bows posted lately. Congrats guys.
CTT
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 10, 2014, 01:03:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by JDBerry:I found out from James that you have to be "SLY" in order to talk him out of a personal bow that is like no other.
Ric O SLY just nailed my new morning star, I miss her already ....jAmES
This new Morning Star arrived this morning. I have no pictures as yet. That is because I can't put her down long enough to pick up a camera. The fade outs on this bow are absolutely awesome. Tissue paper thin. You have to look twice to see where they start or stop.
"Old School" design. Black glass back and white glass on the belly, beautifully grained macassar ebony riser that is double encased with black and white glass. Unique dark bamboo core that is the natural color, not stained. Color resembles English Walnut. Limb tips as fine as frog hair and fitted with double limb tip wedges.
I've been involved in archery since 1953. I've shot a lot of different bows and seen many more than I've shot. I can honestly say that I have never witnessed this level of pure craftsmanship in another bow. James Berry has taken this bow to a place where others can only dream about going.
Post by: on January 10, 2014, 01:12:00 PM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 10, 2014, 01:18:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 10, 2014, 01:21:00 PM
You are sly.
Everyone of James bows I have seen have impressed me. It is unreal what he can do with wood and fiberglass. I am looking forward to seein the pics
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 10, 2014, 03:50:00 PM
:bigsmyl:
Post by: Green on January 10, 2014, 04:14:00 PM
Post by: far rider on January 11, 2014, 11:31:00 AM
Uh.....Saturday.....PICS PLEASE!!!!
Come On Man! :campfire:
Tim
Post by: bculberson on January 12, 2014, 01:20:00 PM
I'm starting too feel like a kids before Christmas!
Post by: Moots on January 12, 2014, 02:06:00 PM
Post by: bculberson on January 12, 2014, 03:13:00 PM
Post by: Paul_R on January 12, 2014, 04:32:00 PM
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140112_124950.jpg~original) (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140112_125017.jpg~original) (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140112_125126.jpg~original)
To give an idea how thick 7oz leather is:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140112_125247.jpg~original)
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 13, 2014, 07:41:00 AM
Did I not tell you that I'm a dairy farmer? I'm gonna "milk" this one out. :saywhat:
Danny
Post by: on January 13, 2014, 03:11:00 PM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 13, 2014, 05:01:00 PM
I talked to JD this morning. He told me all about you..... :saywhat:
Now, let's get down to some pretty bow business.
Meet my new Morning Star. 66" 50# @ 28" Macassar ebony, black & white glass and natural bamboo that looks like walnut.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_2038_zps999cc0e3.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_2038_zps999cc0e3.jpg.html)
Double wedge in the tips.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_2032_zpsc4e67fff.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_2032_zpsc4e67fff.jpg.html)
Fade outs as thin as tissue paper.....thinner!
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_2030_zpsc3073721.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_2030_zpsc3073721.jpg.html)
:bigsmyl:
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 13, 2014, 05:12:00 PM
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_2029_zps0770154d.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_2029_zps0770154d.jpg.html)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/bard9l/IMG_2034_zps7b7d92c7.jpg) (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/bard9l/media/IMG_2034_zps7b7d92c7.jpg.html)
Hope these were worth the wait.....
Post by: far rider on January 13, 2014, 05:27:00 PM
Hard to be disappointed with that kinda eye candy. Can't I blame you for "milking it" for all she's worth!
I had the pleasure of speaking with Mr. Berry today, and I do mean pleasure. What a great guy! I can't think of anything we didn't hit on at least a little bit. I would've brought up your name Danny, but I feared what lay beneath the surface of ole Ric O'Sly!!! :saywhat:
As per normal, that's a sweetie of a Morning Star you have there.
So tell me, how's she shoot (like I don't know that answer)?
:archer:
Tim
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 13, 2014, 05:33:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 13, 2014, 06:15:00 PM
Now that is a gorgeous bow!!!! I love all the little details added to the bow, without detracting from the classic lines of the American semi-longbow.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 17, 2014, 07:33:00 AM
Hope you know how to shoot right handed.
:saywhat:
Post by: Overspined on January 17, 2014, 08:37:00 AM
Post by: far rider on January 17, 2014, 09:43:00 AM
I spoke with James yesterday? Oops!
Sorry Pavan!
Post by: JDBerry on January 17, 2014, 10:03:00 AM
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Post by: katman on January 17, 2014, 10:29:00 AM
What is the stats on that nockout morningstar?
Post by: 2treks on January 17, 2014, 10:35:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0E0ynyIUsg
Post by: JDBerry on January 17, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
Post by: JDBerry on January 17, 2014, 10:50:00 AM
Post by: far rider on January 17, 2014, 10:52:00 AM
Brian is whipping up a FF. Raised that brace to 6 5/8", and set the nock. Big difference even with the B-50.
Thanks for the time yesterday.
Tim
Post by: far rider on January 17, 2014, 10:53:00 AM
New sales technique. Instead of having stock bows or even orders, just tell them you finished a new bow for yourself......SOLD!
Tim
Post by: on January 17, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
Post by: katman on January 17, 2014, 11:37:00 AM
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Originally posted by JDBerry:Nope, just a quick learner. :biglaugh:
Katman, are you Ric O Slys brother?...James
Post by: on January 17, 2014, 12:21:00 PM
or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORW7suyvPNk.
Post by: Mudd on January 17, 2014, 12:40:00 PM
Happy Birthday my friend!!
God bless,Mudd
BTW: Every bow you've been making seems to turn out prettier than the one before.
Post by: on January 17, 2014, 01:21:00 PM
Post by: hawaiiarcher on January 17, 2014, 01:28:00 PM
Aloha and have a great day :) ,
George
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 17, 2014, 01:37:00 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!
From: The Sly One :saywhat:
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 17, 2014, 01:37:00 PM
Tim, you will like the string .
Oh pavan is probably shaking with excitement now
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 17, 2014, 01:40:00 PM
I'm sure you've heard the saying, "Once an adult, twice a child."
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 17, 2014, 01:50:00 PM
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Originally posted by JDBerry:James, I didn't mention any bow....only hoped pavan could shoot right handed. :saywhat:
pavan, glad your a lefty, I now have a knock out righty Morning star!! Shooting it yesterday, One in a million!!!!! Mr. Ric O Sly..What bow?....James
:archer2:
Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 02:06:00 PM
Arne
Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 02:08:00 PM
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/IMG_03881_zps396c9289.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/IMG_03881_zps396c9289.jpg.html)
Arne
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 17, 2014, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 02:10:00 PM
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/IMG_03911_zpsfae1a49a.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/IMG_03911_zpsfae1a49a.jpg.html)
Arne
Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 02:20:00 PM
Do you know how hard it was to get him to do an "old news print" finish?
First a picture of the attention to detail on the string nocks -- they are works of art.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/IMG_03921_zps023822d9.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/IMG_03921_zps023822d9.jpg.html)
Another picture of the news print finish:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/IMG_03931_zps80346d08.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/IMG_03931_zps80346d08.jpg.html)
His artistry never fails to amaze ...
OH WAIT think I just discovered something...
Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 02:24:00 PM
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/IMG_03951_zps4b3f1258.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/IMG_03951_zps4b3f1258.jpg.html)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/IMG_03961_zpse8d0fb72.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/IMG_03961_zpse8d0fb72.jpg.html)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/IMG_03981_zps37e431d1.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/IMG_03981_zps37e431d1.jpg.html)
THANK YOU James -- OUTSTANDING!!!!
Arne
Post by: hawaiiarcher on January 17, 2014, 02:47:00 PM
Good looking bows and they look really cool! Can you do a close up of the white glass?
George
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 17, 2014, 02:55:00 PM
I like how you did the together pictures, really neat
Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 03:18:00 PM
Here you go, best I can do for now.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/e0fea6a6-5b0a-43cd-a0f8-ddba8a52d41f_zps14d34771.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/e0fea6a6-5b0a-43cd-a0f8-ddba8a52d41f_zps14d34771.jpg.html)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae274/moebow1/DSC_00201_zps66b278c8.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/moebow1/media/DSC_00201_zps66b278c8.jpg.html)
The marks, that I didn't notice at first are just from the newspaper wrapping, came right off with a little Pledge and a paper towel.
Arne
Post by: Paul_R on January 17, 2014, 03:33:00 PM
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The marks, that I didn't notice at first are just from the newspaper wrapping, came right off with a little Pledge and a paper towel.Are you saying the finish rubbed right off?
Arne [/QB]
;)
:D
Post by: Mudd on January 17, 2014, 03:36:00 PM
Both are beautiful works of art that will most likely kill stuff.
God bless,Mudd
PS: Pavan has the 1st lady done something to you that you would wish my singing on her?...lol Actually I wouldn't waste my time being two faced at how I feel toward all adult residents of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. In other words I wouldn't do it if I could.
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 17, 2014, 03:37:00 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_R:The lamp black ink use in newsprint rubbed off on the bow. It does come back off very easy.
QuoteThe marks, that I didn't notice at first are just from the newspaper wrapping, came right off with a little Pledge and a paper towel.Are you saying the finish rubbed right off?
Arne [/b]
;)
:D [/QB]
Danny
Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 03:42:00 PM
Absolutely NOT! In the first "glass" picture, you can see a couple smudges that were JUST from being wrapped in the newspaper. Pledge took the smudges off, NO FINISH was harmed -- as they say in the movie disclaimers.
Mudd, If you are implying that your singing causes "discomfort" SING away for the current White house.
Arne
Post by: on January 17, 2014, 03:46:00 PM
Post by: Paul_R on January 17, 2014, 03:47:00 PM
JD's finishes are impeccable :thumbsup:
Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 03:48:00 PM
Arne
Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 03:49:00 PM
Arne
Post by: far rider on January 17, 2014, 04:06:00 PM
Tim
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Post by: moebow on January 17, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Is that a "girly" bow joke?? :goldtooth: REALLY just kidding!! I got these two as the lightest Hill style bows I have. I intend them for my instructional sessions and for others to try.
PLUS, they will "hunt" well -- If I'm not using one of the other 13 Hill styles I have that range up to 70#. Pretty good weight spread for an "old" guy. :laughing: :laughing:
Arne
Post by: cahaba on January 17, 2014, 04:44:00 PM
David
Post by: cahaba on January 17, 2014, 04:47:00 PM
Post by: Paul_R on January 17, 2014, 04:55:00 PM
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Originally posted by moebow:We all love our Hills that's for sure! Your new Berrys are beauties BTW.
Posting at the same time Paul. No wonder the "Hill" thread is on it's second go around.
Arne
Post by: J.T. on January 17, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
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Post by: katman on January 17, 2014, 07:06:00 PM
I guess with all the birthdays James has had he has learned and he 'don't make no ugly bow' :shaka:
Post by: Rossco7002 on January 17, 2014, 08:03:00 PM
Post by: jwhitetail on January 17, 2014, 09:00:00 PM
Happy B-Day Mr. Berry. Maybe a gift I'll let you beat me at the Snow-Shoot...LOL
Post by: on January 19, 2014, 01:58:00 PM
Post by: Paul_R on January 19, 2014, 02:11:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:Resistance is futile....
I notice that more threads concerning Hill style bows are posted on individual threads. I suppose some believe their post needs individual attention, but keeping it all in a tighter pile may have more people seeing it.
Post by: on January 19, 2014, 02:24:00 PM
Post by: Bud B. on January 19, 2014, 04:15:00 PM
I have seen many on here try to answer any and all questions but some individual questions do not get a reply and slip by.
Here things can get lost in the crowd, but not intentionally.
Respectfully.
Post by: MikeNova on January 19, 2014, 04:22:00 PM
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Post by: on January 20, 2014, 03:47:00 AM
“Nothing in this world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity,”
Post by: bculberson on January 21, 2014, 10:44:00 AM
This was shooting in the dark and with a temporary masking tape nock....
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5492/12062525616_b0fe8b3053_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/94508623@N07/12062525616/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/94508623@N07/12062525616/) by bruce culberson (http://www.flickr.com/people/94508623@N07/) , on Flickr
Post by: WarDancer on January 21, 2014, 10:49:00 AM
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Post by: bculberson on January 21, 2014, 12:56:00 PM
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/94508623@N07/12061980903/) by bruce culberson (http://www.flickr.com/people/94508623@N07/) , on Flickr
I'll look again. Maybe it's under one of the cardboard tip protectors....
Post by: on January 21, 2014, 03:03:00 PM
Oh, one more thing, the phone rang, 'Santa Claus is coming to town'.
Post by: bculberson on January 21, 2014, 03:51:00 PM
HHA does have a quick turn around time. Only a couple days over a month from when I called & ordered until I got my bow, even with shipping to Canada!
Now I just need more practice......
Post by: Paul_R on January 21, 2014, 04:16:00 PM
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Originally posted by bculberson:I can vouch for that. Just ordered a Redman this morning and was told 2-3 weeks. :thumbsup:
HHA does have a quick turn around time. Only a couple days over a month from when I called & ordered until I got my bow, even with shipping to Canada!
Now I just need more practice......
Post by: kestimator on January 21, 2014, 08:39:00 PM
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Post by: far rider on January 22, 2014, 04:13:00 PM
Tim
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 22, 2014, 04:59:00 PM
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Post by: far rider on January 22, 2014, 05:29:00 PM
Tim
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 22, 2014, 05:39:00 PM
Post by: far rider on January 22, 2014, 05:57:00 PM
Brian, envelope arrived today, but too dark to give it a run. Tomorrow for sure! Love those tight loops. Thanks man!
Tim
Post by: Ric O'Shay on January 22, 2014, 08:02:00 PM
Think I'm gonna call it my Mocha MorningStar. :saywhat:
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 22, 2014, 08:09:00 PM
I really enjoy how James does the two different colored browns too. Gives it a very unique look.
Tim,
Glad it arrived safely. I pre stretched the string, you should see those loops before they get on a bow, lol
Post by: far rider on January 22, 2014, 08:15:00 PM
Tim
Post by: bculberson on January 23, 2014, 12:08:00 PM
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Originally posted by Dan bree:The sleeve on mine fits very tight. Took two people to get out apart the first time. It's starting to break in now though.
...... . I have 20longbows , and this one is the only one that gives me the fits 66inch 50at28 black back red belly .sleeves didn't fit had to take a file to them . Sorry for the rant.
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(http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab283/pavanldb/DSCN0884_zps2ab429b9.jpg) (http://s872.photobucket.com/user/pavanldb/media/DSCN0884_zps2ab429b9.jpg.html)
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 23, 2014, 08:32:00 PM
James sure made you a work of art there bud. The greet thing is James's bows shoot and feel better than yet look and they look darn good :) .
My Morningstar is an absolute joy to shoot, and encompasses everything you could want in a straightlimbed bow. Let us know how it goes when it warms up for ya
Post by: Green on January 23, 2014, 08:35:00 PM
Post by: Pat B. on January 23, 2014, 08:48:00 PM
You guys are tempting me, lol..
Post by: on January 23, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
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Post by: katman on January 24, 2014, 12:55:00 AM
Very good looking bow pavan, enjoy.
Post by: cahaba on January 24, 2014, 01:21:00 AM
James is at the top of his game.
Post by: far rider on January 24, 2014, 08:08:00 AM
Tim
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Post by: cahaba on January 25, 2014, 07:46:00 AM
I have been shooting my Shelton for 3 months now and we are getting along well.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/cahabarivr/100_0886-Copy.jpg) (http://s238.photobucket.com/user/cahabarivr/media/100_0886-Copy.jpg.html)
Post by: Mississippi bow hunter on January 25, 2014, 07:57:00 AM
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Post by: Mudd on January 25, 2014, 08:22:00 AM
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Originally posted by pavan:Woot! Woot!! I finally get to say it ...."I told you so!"...lol
Today I turned my new bow into a used bow, nice weather and 300 shots. I twisted about a 1/8" more brace, moved my nocking point up 1/16", perfect. It feels odd that my search for my one, go to left hand bow is over. Nothing to do now except shoot and fix arrows.
Post by: cahaba on January 25, 2014, 09:35:00 AM
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Post by: TxAg on January 25, 2014, 04:25:00 PM
I'm feeling a little more hand shock than I used to. I think I'm not using enough heel. I can feel the vibration running into the base of me neck. Maybe a little more bend in my elbow would help.
Any suggestions?
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 25, 2014, 05:13:00 PM
Post by: TxAg on January 25, 2014, 05:23:00 PM
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Originally posted by Brianlocal3:We could spend days on my bad habits :)
Post up a video for us txag
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 25, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
I don't think your feeling the thump from not heeling the bow, check your bow arm. You may be locking it out, and that will jar ya pretty good on these bows
Post by: MikeNova on January 25, 2014, 10:28:00 PM
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Post by: bsv on January 26, 2014, 08:42:00 AM
Post by: Hermon on January 26, 2014, 08:54:00 AM
I am thinking that this bow is just a little too long for my style/form and a 66" bow may solve the issue. 64" is the longest bow I have previously shot (a r/d bow) and never have noticed this happening with it.
Post by: cedar on January 26, 2014, 09:06:00 AM
Post by: TxAg on January 26, 2014, 03:14:00 PM
I moved the brace a quarter inch and put a bit more bend in the elbow. It helped quite a bit.
Post by: on January 26, 2014, 03:38:00 PM
Post by: Hermon on January 26, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
I don't feel I shoot a "target" style. I shoot low wrist on my other longbows with a canted bow. Haven't ever shot a bow straight vertical unless a specific shot called for it.
Had nice weather today to get outside and shoot it more. Wasn't as noticeable today but still had it happen a few times. I still feel that I would be better served by a slightly shorter bow. Thanks.
Post by: frassettor on January 26, 2014, 05:37:00 PM
I'm looking at ordering a Hill. I was looking at the Wesley Special, but just out of curiosity for those who know so much more about theses then I do. What's the difference between the models they offer besides the amount of bamboo laminations?
Post by: typical2 on January 26, 2014, 05:47:00 PM
Eric
Post by: frassettor on January 26, 2014, 05:55:00 PM
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Originally posted by typical2:What are these?
All models can come backset, straight, or string follow. Also they can make any in a reverse handle.
Eric
Post by: far rider on January 26, 2014, 06:22:00 PM
The difference in the 3 primary bamboo models goes a little farther than just the number of lams. The Tembo has 3 lams with 2 lams on the back of the riser, and the 3rd lam or belly lam is designed to come up over the fades onto the belly of the riser.
The Big 5 has 4 lams of bamboo all on the back side of the riser. That is why most Big 5 models you see have black or brown glass to cover the fades without any bamboo there.
The Wesley is more like the Tembo design with 4 lams on the back of the riser and 1 lam over the fades on the belly.
There are of course variations to this by custom order, but that is the way those 3 are designed.
The Redman is all yew, 3 on the back side and 1 on the belly.
The Halfbreed, Cheetah, and Owl are a combo of yew, juniper or osage outer lams, then 2 lams of bamboo, then a final lam of yew, juniper, or osage on the belly of the riser. Most of the models with bamboo cores mirror this design. He makes an all osage limbed bow that is typically like the Redman, except with osage orange.
That's about it. You can of course custom order in many different wood combos. Carbon can be added as well as actionboo cores etc.
Craig will build them straight, backset up to an 1" or string follow up to an 1". He will also make a forward riser variation on request.
Each of these bows have unique characteristics.
Tim
Post by: frassettor on January 26, 2014, 06:41:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 26, 2014, 07:19:00 PM
Shooting some amazin Doug fir that I received from one of our members. Now these woodies fly great and if I could get the skills down to craft woods like this id shoot them more.
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/null_zpse54beaeb.jpg)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/null_zps8dd61dd4.jpg)
Post by: far rider on January 26, 2014, 11:25:00 PM
Nice arrows Brian. Been frigid here plus I had a business trip that kept me away until this evening. Busy week coming up, so trying to get some time to work with the FF. Hoping this weekend.
Post by: Green on January 28, 2014, 07:10:00 AM
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Post by: WESTBROOK on January 28, 2014, 07:07:00 PM
Eric
Post by: Green on January 28, 2014, 08:04:00 PM
I've built and shot a few B55 strings over the past few months. I like that material quite a bit better than B50 as it settles in quickly and stays much more stable after the initial shooting. It also doesn't give up much in performance over my D10 strings.
Post by: on January 29, 2014, 06:20:00 PM
Post by: Paul_R on January 30, 2014, 02:54:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:I understand your concern and I say why risk it? I'll give you a fair price for the bow and you can rest assured that it won't help my sloppy form at all! :bigsmyl:
.... What I wonder about is, if shooting a bow that corrects all of my faults will encourage me have sloppy form.
Post by: on January 30, 2014, 03:23:00 PM
Post by: bsv on February 02, 2014, 05:43:00 PM
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x353/bsv1960/northstar/996A8439-1948-42CB-BCF0-5B4F8E488E2B.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bsv1960/media/northstar/996A8439-1948-42CB-BCF0-5B4F8E488E2B.jpg.html) (http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x353/bsv1960/northstar/C3565A31-EBE1-42F7-86E4-429763A330F0.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bsv1960/media/northstar/C3565A31-EBE1-42F7-86E4-429763A330F0.jpg.html) (http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x353/bsv1960/northstar/9BCA32C2-5B76-4B04-851E-CE1FBA4ACC46_1.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bsv1960/media/northstar/9BCA32C2-5B76-4B04-851E-CE1FBA4ACC46_1.jpg.html)
What a wonderful,very knowledgeable man,thank-you for taking time for me on a Sunday morning James.I adjusted the brace like you suggested and BINGO,VERY SWEET!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 02, 2014, 07:03:00 PM
Outstanding looking north star. That bows has classy down pat!!
Put her to good use
Post by: Mississippi bow hunter on February 02, 2014, 07:27:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 03, 2014, 10:51:00 PM
So I have not been able to shoot much since two Sundays ago due to my wonderful coworker giving me the flu which turned into a sinus infection and bronchotis.
On top of that I have been focusing on my JD Berry taipan since it's my 3d bow for the season . I got some great wood arrows not long ago (I love my carbons) to try an persuade myself to shoot in the trad longbow division at the worlds this year. And I must say when you get a great set , it proved that there is better than "wood arrow straight" these bad boys are "carbon straight"
I have since set out on a mission to learn to straighten arrows like this . I have gathered one of the two main parts needed to do it according to Rob Greens YouTube video. I'm waiting on my spinner to show up now. I also need to get a good taper tool.
My Morningstar got brought out in full swing tonight and was stacking the woodies one on top of another.....
When it comes to a straightlimbed bow I don't see how it can get better. I haven't shot but 6-10 arrows from it in over a month is say and it is just dead on target from the get go.
I hope yall are getting some shooting in
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Post by: centaur on February 04, 2014, 07:36:00 AM
Post by: Bob B. on February 04, 2014, 08:12:00 AM
I had a 68 inch 49 at 28 pounds Shrew Hill. It had 4 lams tempered boo, a brown glass back and white ( antiqued ) belly, with a myrtle riser. Why I ever let Mudd talk me out of it I will never know! All that bow did was make me smile, and hit nearly everything I ever pointed it at. I killed both deer and hogs with mine. I shot that bow so often, I would dream about it and could "feel" the shot in my sleep. Man I am an idiot!
So, the Shrew Hill is a wonderful bow. I found mine to not be the fastest or the prettiest, but dang I could hit with it and it always drove that arrow deep. It was also spooky quiet. Mine was a straight grip with wedge on the belly that was pretty sharp, that took a bit of getting used to for me, but once there ... well it just fit.
Please post a picture of your bow. If you enjoy Hill style bows, you are in for a treat ... I bet Green will regret trading his bow away.
Good luck sir.
Bob.
Post by: Mudd on February 04, 2014, 10:19:00 AM
We could work something out.....lol
An arm or leg maybe?
God bless,Mudd
Post by: tg2nd on February 04, 2014, 12:39:00 PM
:biglaugh:
Post by: bicster on February 04, 2014, 07:08:00 PM
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Post by: Kris on February 06, 2014, 03:26:00 PM
I always alter my handles to fit my hands exactly, which means they are contoured and shaped like the palm of my hand, not a square block.
I like the tradition of a Hill handle and like how they look for some odd reason but to me they are NOT the epitome of a grip that I truly find desirable.
Kris
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 06, 2014, 03:31:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 07, 2014, 01:50:00 PM
May the cold just has the infection laying dormant
Post by: ron w on February 07, 2014, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 07, 2014, 02:26:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on February 07, 2014, 02:32:00 PM
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May the cold just has the infection laying dormantCold..heck it got up to 16 here, I'm outside shootin instead inside chatin. 5 degrees, clear sky,moonlight and snow you can shoot all night...
Eric
Post by: on February 07, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
Mine is: We were out killing dandidlions and scaring ground squirrels in the grass field adjacent to an area golf course. I found an orange golf ball. Threw it over hand, fairly high and hard. Swung up my 89@27" Big 5 and at about 25 or maybe more yards, the blunt clinked off the the golf ball. I will never try it again so I can remain 100% on self tossed orange golf balls.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 07, 2014, 03:18:00 PM
Both contestants were with the Morningstar.
First was out stumping, it was about. 20 degrees and windy as could be . I saw the opening of a 12" culvert at about 80 yards, so I drew , and released , just poking and hoping and my arrow struck home in the opening, hitting the side wall about 6" in. I too am still 100% on that shot :) .
This is my other one
http://youtu.be/2VPTaxSl5L0
Post by: David Mitchell on February 07, 2014, 07:12:00 PM
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Post by: katman on February 07, 2014, 07:39:00 PM
Great shooting Brian.
Post by: Ric O'Shay on February 07, 2014, 10:44:00 PM
Two years ago at the Stickbow Round-up in Chester, TX about 20 folks were at the range shooting and warming. Folks were calling their shots and then would promptly miss and everyone would laugh at them. One of the bag targets was set out about 20 yards and supported by a wood stake. About 1 inch of the stake was sticking above the back of the bag. I was challenged shot the top of the stake. My arrow flew straight to the stake, hit and split the stake. I quietly walked down, removed the arrow, placed it back in my quiver and walked away smiling.
The second was when I was shooting with a friend. His aluminum arrow hit the bag and fell down vertically barely hanging from the tip. I asked him if he wanted to pull his arrow he said "No, you can't hit it anyway." I drew and center punched the shaft about 3" below the point. He still has that arrow hanging on a whitetail rack at his house.
Post by: Dan bree on February 07, 2014, 11:53:00 PM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on February 08, 2014, 12:01:00 AM
Hunting Javelina in south Texas I jumped A sounder of the little stink pigs in thick cactus and mesquite.
Several of them squirted through an opening in the cover and I got ready as I spotted the last one in line following the same path.
I swung the 70# longbow up as I came to anchor and let fly as the Javie entered the opening. The shot was away and almost immediately deflected on an unseen stick or something. The 2219 arrow impacted a little far back.
The little pig spun around in a tight circle and I slapped another arrow on the string.
Suddenly the Javie and headed toward me tusks clacking in the still air.
I don't think it was charging me. It was just trying to get away and I was in it's way.
At about 6 or 7 feet I drew and shot. The Simmons Intercepter struck the Javelina just above the eye and entered the brain cavity dropping it in it's tracks.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/Javieandme.jpg)
Post by: Bob B. on February 08, 2014, 10:17:00 AM
Bob
Post by: mike g on February 08, 2014, 10:56:00 AM
On Saturday the club pres came up with an idea to make money for the club.
A 3" pancake on the 50yd bale, you paid a doller for two shots, If you hit the pancake ya got free breakfast Sunday morning....
I was watching people take shots from my booth and I decided I would give it a try, So I walked down, paid my dollor, and I thought to myself, I'm going to do my best impression of Mr Hill.
So I nocked an arrow and just stood and stared at that pancake and did a swing draw to anchor and let loose, Almost dead center and I got my free breakfast....
Post by: katman on February 08, 2014, 11:52:00 AM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 08, 2014, 04:43:00 PM
I'm practicing with fully painted shafts, seeing how they turn out.
Here is my cobalt blue shaft. Needs another round of finish
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/70E4BCED-E02F-4D15-A4B9-BAF6E297924B_zpsmwnige2l.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/70E4BCED-E02F-4D15-A4B9-BAF6E297924B_zpsmwnige2l.jpg.html)
Here is my yellow shaft
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/D62725BF-1067-499D-A68D-F1D2BE6C8E7A_zpsxfwofvxu.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/D62725BF-1067-499D-A68D-F1D2BE6C8E7A_zpsxfwofvxu.jpg.html)
Post by: Tradcat on February 08, 2014, 04:47:00 PM
Post by: goobersan on February 09, 2014, 03:13:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 09, 2014, 07:46:00 PM
Here is my less gaudy arrow. All I have on hand was some lime green feathers
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/25C24267-A767-4703-89F2-DE6ACD7B2098_zpsfjg6zndr.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/25C24267-A767-4703-89F2-DE6ACD7B2098_zpsfjg6zndr.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 09, 2014, 07:47:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 09, 2014, 07:47:00 PM
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Originally posted by Brianlocal3:(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/6FC25E6A-2362-4BE4-A75C-DD5E3FF91994_zpsjw2k5rk3.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/6FC25E6A-2362-4BE4-A75C-DD5E3FF91994_zpsjw2k5rk3.jpg.html)
Here is a bright yellow and lime green stumper
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 09, 2014, 07:50:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/D220607B-397C-4205-96BE-A57D2A72B880_zps7v9ry4il.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/D220607B-397C-4205-96BE-A57D2A72B880_zps7v9ry4il.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 09, 2014, 07:50:00 PM
My cobalt arrow
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 09, 2014, 07:51:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on February 10, 2014, 01:02:00 AM
I added another bow to the rack, another NM Classic, but this one is a TD. At 70" and only about 46#, it is a real pleasure to shoot. Like I was afraid of when I bought it, I'm having so much fun shooting this lighter draw weight, I'm starting to ignore the heavier draw weight bows!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 10, 2014, 07:03:00 AM
These are some poplar shafts a friend gave to me a year ago. I have a doz hildenbrand Sitka spruce in the mail for my serious arrows.
And as far as lighter weight goes, I know what you mean. My 45 and 47 lbr get shot a lot, the 50 too, but for some reason the 54 pound bow sits a lot :)
Post by: Blaino on February 11, 2014, 06:00:00 PM
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=211;t=000012
Post by: katman on February 11, 2014, 06:03:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on February 11, 2014, 06:34:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 11, 2014, 06:51:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on February 12, 2014, 12:08:00 AM
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/Bow%20Stand/20140211_193118_zpsouhkam5h.jpg) (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/finnish-archer/media/ArcheryPhotos/Bow%20Stand/20140211_193118_zpsouhkam5h.jpg.html)
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/Bow%20Stand/20140211_192358_zpsmfnvyqub.jpg) (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/finnish-archer/media/ArcheryPhotos/Bow%20Stand/20140211_192358_zpsmfnvyqub.jpg.html)
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/Bow%20Stand/20140211_192407_zpsyzmq0wz4.jpg) (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/finnish-archer/media/ArcheryPhotos/Bow%20Stand/20140211_192407_zpsyzmq0wz4.jpg.html)
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/Bow%20Stand/20140211_192416_zpslb93akid.jpg) (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/finnish-archer/media/ArcheryPhotos/Bow%20Stand/20140211_192416_zpslb93akid.jpg.html)
I like this better than hanging my bows from pegs, etc.
BTW: The bow on the left is the to me NM Classic TD that I picked up from Terry Keeney (neargeezer.) Thanks, Terry. It is sitting alongside my other Classic, a Dave Johnson and a JD Berry.
Post by: on February 12, 2014, 01:01:00 AM
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Post by: Pat B. on February 12, 2014, 09:05:00 AM
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Post by: neargeezer on February 12, 2014, 11:20:00 AM
That's a very nice looking bow stand for just being "whipped up"!
Glad the classic fits your grip better than mine. It looks like it has some mighty fine company to reside with on that stand!
Terry K.
Post by: jsweka on February 12, 2014, 07:20:00 PM
I think me and this bow are going to get along great.
(http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/Longbow2014/SAM_1575.jpg)
(http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/Longbow2014/SAM_1578.jpg)
(http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/Longbow2014/SAM_1577.jpg)
(http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/Longbow2014/SAM_1584.jpg)
Post by: goobersan on February 12, 2014, 07:23:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 12, 2014, 08:10:00 PM
Post by: Green on February 12, 2014, 08:40:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on February 13, 2014, 12:08:00 AM
:archer:
Post by: akbowbender on February 13, 2014, 12:16:00 AM
Terry: The grip on the Classic is the same depth as on the Dave Johnson, 2", so it fits me real well. The other two are at 1-7/8". I don't think I'd like anything more than 2".
Post by: cahaba on February 13, 2014, 05:49:00 AM
Post by: katman on February 13, 2014, 07:13:00 AM
Post by: Paul_R on February 13, 2014, 12:35:00 PM
:clapper:
Post by: Centex on February 13, 2014, 12:59:00 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_R:I am waiting on my new halfbreed to arrive this week.
Just got off the phone with Craig, my HHA Redman is done and should be in the mail today! Pics will follow.....
:clapper:
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Post by: 58WINTERS on February 13, 2014, 05:25:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 14, 2014, 05:07:00 PM
I used a red this time and really like it too
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/DB871BEB-AB14-481D-A4B8-30C39213321C_zps5gxdm5y1.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/DB871BEB-AB14-481D-A4B8-30C39213321C_zps5gxdm5y1.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/73BCACBB-D317-4A03-9E94-92C26627FB58_zpswrxuoe0a.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/73BCACBB-D317-4A03-9E94-92C26627FB58_zpswrxuoe0a.jpg.html)
Post by: woodslinger on February 14, 2014, 06:24:00 PM
I am a dyed in the wool recurve man and this will be first experience with a long bow so please pass on any shooting advice also.
Thanks
Post by: Overspined on February 14, 2014, 10:03:00 PM
Feel free to ask more specific questions and there are many happy to try to help. Grip can be a huge part of these bows.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 15, 2014, 09:10:00 AM
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Originally posted by woodslinger:You could make the 2117 work easily, but you will have to keep them a little long .
Hey guys I have recently just reacquired an older model Big 5 that draws 60#'s @ 28". My dad drew 29.5" and had great luck with the old xx75 2117. I draw 27.5" and need a starting point for some shafts to try out at my draw. Wood is preferred but aluminum or carbon will also work.
I am a dyed in the wool recurve man and this will be first experience with a long bow so please pass on any shooting advice also.
Thanks
I would choose a 2018 if i were choosing an alum for that bow
Post by: Paul_R on February 15, 2014, 05:18:00 PM
Chechen riser & tip overlays, moose leather grip wrap, and yew limbs. 68" 50#@28". The grip is deep and wide for my freakish big hands. 2 1/8" deep to be exact and - 1/8" dish. Thanks Craig ya nailed it! :notworthy:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/DSC_0349.jpg~original) (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/DSC_0345.jpg~original) (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/DSC_0344.jpg~original) (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/DSC_0347.jpg~original) (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/DSC_0351.jpg~original) (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/DSC_0353.jpg~original)
Post by: David Mitchell on February 15, 2014, 05:51:00 PM
Post by: slayer1 on February 15, 2014, 06:17:00 PM
Post by: katman on February 15, 2014, 06:45:00 PM
A real beauty you got there Paul.
Post by: slayer1 on February 15, 2014, 07:23:00 PM
Post by: MT Longbow on February 15, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
Search for my posts you will find it. It was beautiful !
Post by: Centex on February 15, 2014, 10:53:00 PM
HHA Halfbreed w/ 5 lams (3 yew 2 boo)
68" 50@29
Alternating lams, clear face, white belly
2" Deep straight grip
(http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r792/Centex7/6ded31051a35c53e0a88e2e0d5594783_zps3592a6bf.jpg)
(http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r792/Centex7/95b5c6dfb7820b547e5be660c9b0c50c_zpsc317c793.jpg)
(http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r792/Centex7/9fdb2a5115a6f5e3a1406c22f9ab8665_zps14cc3f9f.jpg)
Post by: Mudd on February 16, 2014, 06:39:00 AM
Bow porn at it's best!!
Thanks for sharing!!
:archer:
Post by: Green on February 16, 2014, 08:27:00 AM
Post by: lan91 on February 17, 2014, 09:30:00 PM
Post by: moebow on February 17, 2014, 11:02:00 PM
I have one and it's a great bow. You won't be sorry.
Arne
Post by: lan91 on February 17, 2014, 11:36:00 PM
Post by: mike g on February 18, 2014, 10:20:00 AM
If you order a bow and don't specify grip style, What would the stock grip be like....
Post by: Tradcat on February 18, 2014, 01:18:00 PM
Post by: Paul_R on February 18, 2014, 01:35:00 PM
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Originally posted by mike g:Undefined. :readit:
Question about a Hill Grip.
If you order a bow and don't specify grip style, What would the stock grip be like....
Post by: David Mitchell on February 18, 2014, 03:44:00 PM
Post by: centaur on February 18, 2014, 03:47:00 PM
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Post by: mike g on February 18, 2014, 04:44:00 PM
I was just curious about the size, mostly depth of grip, so I can play around with a piece of wood to see what I like....
Post by: David Mitchell on February 18, 2014, 05:04:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 23, 2014, 09:00:00 PM
Not special tools, it's quick and well just easy., it does not give when you hold it so you can actually GRIP it to get a good feel of how it sits in your hand
Post by: cahaba on February 24, 2014, 01:15:00 PM
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on February 28, 2014, 08:54:00 PM
If I miss it I sure will miss it. ;)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/2012ksjake3.jpg)
Post by: Mudd on March 01, 2014, 07:10:00 AM
Charlie you have my prayers for a quick and complete recovery.
God bless,Mudd
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Post by: centaur on March 01, 2014, 12:54:00 PM
I hope all goes well with your surgery, and that you are terrorizing gobblers in a month or two.
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Post by: Rossco7002 on March 02, 2014, 05:05:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 02, 2014, 05:23:00 PM
The new TBH mag has a good article on the old school way of Doing it.
Post by: on March 02, 2014, 06:16:00 PM
Post by: JDBerry on March 02, 2014, 06:43:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on March 02, 2014, 06:51:00 PM
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=116898#000000
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 02, 2014, 07:36:00 PM
I do not, but plan on picking one up sometime
Thanks for the link
Post by: Paul_R on March 02, 2014, 08:12:00 PM
In case any admin types are reading this, I think that link should be in the how to section.
Post by: Charlie Lamb on March 02, 2014, 08:40:00 PM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on March 02, 2014, 09:42:00 PM
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/BigFive1.JPG)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/BigFive2.JPG)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/BigFive4.JPG)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/BigFive5.JPG)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/BigFive6.JPG)
Post by: on March 03, 2014, 09:50:00 AM
I bought tapered ancient arrows for my wife, the taper runs most of the length of the shaft when they are cut to 27" bop. They are less than 18/64" at the nock. They are magic, she fired two of them through a buck. I attempted to copy that 26" taper last year. With a belt sander and a jig on a lathe, it takes a perfect shaft to pull it off. Out of the dozen cheap cedars only 6 did not have flared grain. I ended up with 4 shafts that look okay, but have not fletched them yet.
Post by: centaur on March 03, 2014, 09:57:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on March 03, 2014, 12:42:00 PM
This bow was ordered for me back in the 80's by a guy that must have thought I was a bull... I traded work for it.
30" was my draw length with a recurve and didn't realize the conversion back then. I shoot 28" with a Hill style bow and at that draw length the bow pulls 75#.
At 75# it was right in the ball park of the recurves I was shooting in those days.
Here are a couple of pictures of it in action.
Shot a hundred ground squirrels with it one day. The picture only shows half of what my buddy and I got that day. He got 120 with his compound.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/Ahundredsquirrels.jpg)
Hunting jackrabbits in the winter. Western Wyoming. (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/squatdraw1.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/corralljack1.jpg)
Post by: Mike Mongelli on March 03, 2014, 07:06:00 PM
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Post by: Rossco7002 on March 03, 2014, 08:15:00 PM
(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p485/Ross7002/image_zps19193aae.jpg) (http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/Ross7002/media/image_zps19193aae.jpg.html)
Post by: MT Longbow on March 03, 2014, 10:00:00 PM
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Post by: on March 07, 2014, 12:42:00 PM
The other thread is looking for pics, I have never seen pics or reports about a Hill Cougar. They should make me one so I can tell everyone about it.
I am playing around with setting up some arrows that will shoot Hill elephant broad heads to shoot a deer with. Matching head weights, so far the Alaskan tapered graphite shaft seems the likely carrier of my elephant heads.
Post by: Goshawkin on March 07, 2014, 01:15:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on March 07, 2014, 02:31:00 PM
I didn't think to ask about the grip. I just assumed it would be similar to my Misty Dawn which is 1 7/8" deep and is widened to fill my palm. This one is narrow and is 2 1/4" deep. Fits me just fine, though.
I started of with a 6" bh. Was ok, but it bumped it up a bit to see if there would be any improvement. The arrow flight got a bit wobbly, so I dropped it down to 5 7/8". Much better. Nudged the nocking point up a bit and got perfect flight. I think I'm going to have fun with this bow!
Welcome back, Nick!
Post by: Jim Picarelli on March 07, 2014, 03:56:00 PM
(http://i57.tinypic.com/3167mtl.jpg)
Post by: akbowbender on March 07, 2014, 04:04:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 07, 2014, 09:03:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 07, 2014, 09:04:00 PM
Post by: slayer1 on March 07, 2014, 09:17:00 PM
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Post by: akbowbender on March 07, 2014, 10:51:00 PM
I have a half-dozen Sitka Spruce arrows drying with their last coat of poly.
These ones are for my NM Classic TD. I back-tapered them the old school method you brought up a few days ago. I've compared the tapered and parallel shafts, and I definitely can see a difference in flight. The tapered shafts just fly nicer. Don't know if they just recover quicker, or there is better clearance, but they just work better for me.
Post by: Goshawkin on March 08, 2014, 09:06:00 AM
Thanks Chuck, I usually slack off a bit on shooting once falconry season starts, I had a little medical issue thrown in this year as well,but I've been shooting more and more now and hopefully I'll be ready to go after the gobblers in a couple months.
Post by: mike g on March 08, 2014, 10:32:00 AM
I can shoot my HH without string slap, But ya got to pay attention to how ya hold the bow....
Keep your wrist straight with your Arm.
I do wear one of my Armguards just in case, I lax my grip....
Post by: centaur on March 08, 2014, 10:37:00 AM
Post by: Rossco7002 on March 08, 2014, 11:04:00 AM
Post by: Paul_R on March 08, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
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Originally posted by centaur:That's good thinking! :thumbsup:
If you stiff arm the bow, prepare to get slapped, but if you have the recommended slight bend in your elbow, I haven't had the problem. I still wear an armguard just in case, but it mainly works as a strop for my knives and broadheads.
Post by: akbowbender on March 08, 2014, 12:01:00 PM
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Post by: slayer1 on March 08, 2014, 03:13:00 PM
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Post by: soap creek on March 08, 2014, 09:34:00 PM
Post by: lbshooter on March 09, 2014, 04:31:00 AM
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Originally posted by slayer1:I don't consider it a problem and havev always gotten a light hit on the wrist. I also prefer a low brace heigh that is exactly on my fistmele.with my Hill bows. I use an arm guard.
Anybody have problem with string slap on a HH?
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 14, 2014, 07:54:00 AM
So I took it to the grinder and it is now just at 1" wide, and I added a 3/16" dish to it. The belly of the grip is tapered to a tight wedge and this alteration has just revived the Vixen back to full life!!!!!!
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/new%20grip/16C1478D-97A6-49A3-AD02-E86961EE0C0B_zpsfqg1ztbj.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/new%20grip/16C1478D-97A6-49A3-AD02-E86961EE0C0B_zpsfqg1ztbj.jpg.html)
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(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/new%20grip/F7DEF6AE-94C4-4169-A287-9F1368F97016_zpsn33sofx9.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/new%20grip/F7DEF6AE-94C4-4169-A287-9F1368F97016_zpsn33sofx9.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 14, 2014, 07:55:00 AM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 14, 2014, 07:57:00 AM
Post by: Paul_R on March 14, 2014, 09:55:00 AM
Post by: two4hooking on March 14, 2014, 10:23:00 AM
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Originally posted by Brianlocal3:I do. .
So how do you fellow ASL shooters taper your arrows?
The new TBH mag has a good article on the old school way of Doing it.
This is how I do it…..
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I built my simple jigs out of a scrap piece of 2x4 lumber and a couple scrap pieces of angle iron. Use some wing nuts and bolts and glue on a couple strips of 1 inch sanding belts to the inside surfaces. I drilled a hole for a “stop” about 12 inches back on each.
I use my 5/16th inch drill bit to size the stop end and use the shaft itself to set the entrance gaps.
The process is simple. Chuck the shaft into your drill and spin it through the gap in the angle iron. I made a jig for rough sanding with course paper, and one for finish sanding with fine/medium paper.
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/20140305_125414_zps3cc61ebb.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/20140305_125414_zps3cc61ebb.jpg.html)
If you order your shafts 1 inch longer you can cut off the compressed part that was chucked in the drill…..but you end up tapering them anyway which usually takes care of the damaged area.
I went through 18 shafts in my 1 hour lunch break.
Anyway, it is another method and I feel spinning the shaft helps to get a good even taper and avoid oblong or misshapen areas.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 14, 2014, 05:20:00 PM
Paul,
Yes I had to refinish it. I have used Formbys tung oil before and it blends really well , you just need to feather it in well z
On this one I sanded down the entire bow and refinished it in high gloss lacquer as I really enjoy a high gloss bow
Post by: mike g on March 17, 2014, 10:49:00 AM
What's up guys, I have never had to look up this thread on the second page before....
Post by: centaur on March 17, 2014, 03:17:00 PM
Post by: NBK on March 17, 2014, 03:56:00 PM
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Originally posted by centaur:Does that mean I can buy your cheetah?!
I'm thinking about ordering another Hill, so I called Craig today. I was thinking of getting a reverse handle, and he pretty much talked me out of it. He said that performance wise, all other things being equal, a reverse handle won't have the cast of a standard handle. I asked for his personal preference, and he told me that his best performer is the Redman, and that is what he shoots for his personal bow. Since he knows a thing or two about his bows, my next bow may very well be a Redman.
Post by: centaur on March 17, 2014, 04:05:00 PM
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Originally posted by NBK:Does that mean I can buy your cheetah?! [/QB][/QUOTE]
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No, but I do have a Shrew Hill that may go on the auction block.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 17, 2014, 09:36:00 PM
First off, I'm sure Craig knows his products better than anyone so if he says his reverse handles lack performance I'm sure they do, he is the craftsman.
I don't think this applies to all reverse handles as my JD Berry Northstar and Morningstar shoot right with my standard risered American Semi- longbows. And my Morningstar outperforms every standard riser ASL I have owned in similar specs. James has tweaked his design to achieve optimal performance, shoot ability and feel.
With that said I have not owned a HHA reverse.
Post by: arrow flynn on March 17, 2014, 10:19:00 PM
Post by: on March 17, 2014, 11:31:00 PM
I should point out that my yew and my yew/bamboo are not really Hills. They are from Hill blanks and have been tweaked quite a bit to perform at my draw.
Post by: JDBerry on March 18, 2014, 12:23:00 AM
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Post by: centaur on March 18, 2014, 02:58:00 PM
Post by: Green on March 18, 2014, 03:05:00 PM
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/JD%20Berry%20Morningstar/DSCN0925.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/JD%20Berry%20Morningstar/DSCN0925.jpg.html)
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/JD%20Berry%20Morningstar/DSCN0921.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/JD%20Berry%20Morningstar/DSCN0921.jpg.html)
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/JD%20Berry%20Morningstar/DSCN0923.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/JD%20Berry%20Morningstar/DSCN0923.jpg.html)
Post by: on March 18, 2014, 03:52:00 PM
Post by: centaur on March 18, 2014, 04:04:00 PM
I doubt that will be a problem! My prospective 'backups' are somewhat numerous (understatement intended).
My Cheetah is my current go to bow, and since it will probably be around the whitetail rut before I get my hands on a Morningstar, I hope that a few more critters may be in trouble prior to its' arrival.
Post by: Blaino on March 18, 2014, 04:32:00 PM
I'm asking because I just got a really light recurve for my wife to try. It's right at 40# for my 30" draw and so much fun to shoot until it's making me want a Hill at around 45#@30".
This isn't a heavy/light thing.... just wanting to hear from guys that have used that weight in the style of bows we love.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 18, 2014, 05:02:00 PM
You will be very happy with yoyr decision and I couldn't say it any better than what Rob had said
Post by: Bob B. on March 18, 2014, 06:35:00 PM
45 pounds is plenty for deer ... Heck years go most guys shot under 50. At 30 inches of draw you have quite a power stroke. I doubt you need to shot 10 grains per pound of draw, but if you do, boy howdy, you are really set man.
Shot placement is everything ... Tune well and use a od sharp 2 blade head and start filling tags.
Lastly, I have a buddy who has shot though hogs with 45 pounds and heavy arrows. I think you will be fine, good luck.
Bob.
Post by: akbowbender on March 18, 2014, 06:59:00 PM
Post by: MikeNova on March 18, 2014, 10:38:00 PM
Post by: David Mitchell on March 19, 2014, 10:12:00 AM
Post by: Blaino on March 19, 2014, 02:25:00 PM
Most guys that shoot the mid 40#s are shooting recurves or r/d longbows. I'm more interested in guys shooting that same weight with Hill type bows.
I have never hunted with anything less than 55#'s. But shooting my wife's bow the other day and having all the fletching touch each other from 30 yards has me thinking..... I like being that accurate!
My gut feeling is everything would be fine. That feeling could be me just wanting another bow also...
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Post by: JDBerry on March 19, 2014, 06:36:00 PM
Post by: David Mitchell on March 19, 2014, 09:19:00 PM
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Originally posted by JDBerry:Now that right there is funny, James. :biglaugh:
Blaino, 65# is a good way to impress your friends, But I have not got many so I like 47#...JameS
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 19, 2014, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on March 19, 2014, 10:29:00 PM
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Originally posted by David Mitchell:James is a funny man. I can't help but have a smile on my face for 30 minutes after I get off the phone with him!
QuoteOriginally posted by JDBerry:Now that right there is funny, James. :biglaugh: [/b]
Blaino, 65# is a good way to impress your friends, But I have not got many so I like 47#...JameS
Centaur- here is a little eye candy for your looking pleasure -
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Post by: centaur on March 19, 2014, 10:52:00 PM
Post by: MikeNova on March 20, 2014, 10:44:00 AM
Light bows for pigs Owen always recommended shooting a heavy a bow as you could comfortably shoot . On those pigs he shot you have to consider he is a heck of a shot and has the experience and patients to wait for the perfect shot .
Post by: Steve Clandinin on March 20, 2014, 10:48:00 AM
Post by: mike g on March 20, 2014, 11:37:00 AM
And I was thinking of Grey glass back and white belly.
Anyone have that combo, I would like to see it....
Thanks in advance to all....
Post by: jwhitetail on March 20, 2014, 09:15:00 PM
My Morning Star is read and turkeys are gobbling!
(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b530/jwhitetail/IMG_0778_zps029860a8.jpg) (http://s1290.photobucket.com/user/jwhitetail/media/IMG_0778_zps029860a8.jpg.html)
(- and speaking of friends, James - I work at the shop on Sunday at 11:00 in the morning, but I can take your dollar if I get out there and get to it by 7:30!)
Post by: mellonhead on March 22, 2014, 10:33:00 PM
Toby
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 23, 2014, 09:00:00 AM
Glad to see your excitement, these straight sticks have a way of drawing you in and making you step back..
The mystical is a very mild r/ d correct ?
Post by: mellonhead on March 23, 2014, 09:13:00 AM
Toby
Post by: Rossco7002 on March 23, 2014, 09:57:00 AM
Post by: CHENRYIV on March 24, 2014, 08:46:00 PM
My dilemma is I’m having so much fun shooting my HHs that I want to hunt with one this fall. Since most if not all my hunting is done from a treestand, I’m thinking that I should have Craig build me a 60” or 62” “Big five”. I spoke with Craig the afternoon and we discussed possibly a 62” with stringfollow and increase my poundage to 56# @ 25”. I draw 25” on my HH bows. I’d like to hear your options on the pros and cons before I pull the trigger on another bow.
Post by: WESTBROOK on March 24, 2014, 09:29:00 PM
Eric
Post by: kestimator on March 24, 2014, 10:20:00 PM
That isn't helping this recovering Hill-O-Holic :) LOL!!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 25, 2014, 06:49:00 AM
I agree with Westbrook on this. I'm not sure about HHA bows but James at JD Berry designed the Northstar specifically for guys wanting to shoot American semi-longbows , and have a shorter bow and all I can say is he nailed the design perfectly.
Mine is 62" 54@26- and is as smooth and stable as any 68" bow I've shot.
Post by: mike g on March 25, 2014, 10:34:00 AM
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Post by: mellonhead on March 26, 2014, 05:47:00 PM
Toby
Post by: bsv on March 26, 2014, 08:50:00 PM
Burt
Post by: Horserod on March 26, 2014, 10:09:00 PM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on March 27, 2014, 07:29:00 AM
Post by: Kmurray on March 27, 2014, 05:10:00 PM
I got my HHA Bobcat about a week ago... and I've been having so much fun with it, I've only just now got around to posting. It's a real sweet bow!!! Very underrated, if I do say so... by HHA and most shooters... if your a small person looking for a great bow please do not discount the Bobcat!
When Jason took my order, I had him build me a bow similar to the "legend stick" I've seen so many pictures of... I loved the combination of woods and white glass... and I was not at all disappointed in the product I received.
I'll have to see if I can post pictures... probably won't work the first time so bear with me.
(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j345/kmurray72/Bow/20140323_191834.jpg) (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/kmurray72/media/Bow/20140323_191834.jpg.html)
It's Bamboo limb lam's (I had an extra lam added for security ha ha), with Bocote riser and white glass on the belly, clear glass on the back... 60", and 45@26" which is my draw length I'm sorry to admit ha ha...
(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j345/kmurray72/Bow/20140323_192114.jpg) (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/kmurray72/media/Bow/20140323_192114.jpg.html)
It has blueish/grey grip with the "dished" profile... which I find very comfortable. May be because I've not tried other profiles to compare, but it's still very natural in my hand.
One impressive thing is the amount of back set that was in the bow:
(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j345/kmurray72/Bow/20140324_094621.jpg) (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/kmurray72/media/Bow/20140324_094621.jpg.html)
The riser is about 1/2" off the table here... and the bow is still very easy to string, and for my amateur/beginner skill level very easy to shoot..
Having just barely started, I can consistently place my arrows in a milk jug from about 12/14 yrds (depending on where exactly the sun is ha ha. I have to adjust my position to get out of this AZ sun.) ... Not epic accuracy, but I think it's not half bad for never shooting a traditional bow, let alone never shooting a Hill bow...
My journey has just begun! But I want to thank TradGang for the inspiration and education to make this a much more enjoyable start than my introduction to wheel bows so many years ago... A special thanks must go out to MoeBow for his videos on YouTube, which I've watch so many times over and over.... I truly think they have helped me get started in longbow shooting with a good basic idea of what I was getting into.
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Post by: Ric O'Shay on March 28, 2014, 08:26:00 AM
Congratulations on the bow. I purchased a Bobcat for my grandson and he loves the bow. I've shot his bow and it performs nicely! It is much lighter than yours though.
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Post by: hunthold on March 28, 2014, 10:24:00 PM
(http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k578/hunthold/efe23e5c9f46f4f9f720329f48a4db05.jpg)
Post by: akbowbender on March 28, 2014, 11:34:00 PM
We've had a nice stretch of weather here lately....clear, warm and mostly calm, so I 've been getting a lot of shooting time in after work.
I usually take out 2-3 bows and give them a workout. Today was particularly nice, and I was feeling well rested, so I brought out all of my bows out:
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/20140328_162743_zpsoepiqbza.jpg) (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/finnish-archer/media/ArcheryPhotos/20140328_162743_zpsoepiqbza.jpg.html)
l'm guessing I shot around 200 arrows, which is a lot for me. I was shooting extremely well. Surprised that I only broke one nock.
I could have kept going, but I figured I shouldn't over do it as it looks like it is going to be a real nice weekend. Why can't it be moose season now!
Post by: on March 29, 2014, 01:48:00 AM
I have yet to draw my Morningstar simultaneously with a similar length bow or one that is two inches longer. Drawing that much over100 pounds is hard on my sprained wrist. I hurt more than my hip when I slipped on the ice, when that nasty poopy cedar wax wing landed on my bow while it was minding its own business just hanging in my apple tree.
Post by: Stump Buster on March 29, 2014, 08:48:00 AM
Would ya mind giving us the makes and models of those babies please?
NICE collection and variety!!!
Post by: akbowbender on March 29, 2014, 12:12:00 PM
Lt to Rt: 70" NM Classic TD, 66" JD Berry Misty Dawn, 68" NM Classic, 66" JD Berry Morning Star, 66" Dave Johnson
BTW: I like your ghillie!
Post by: jeffg on March 29, 2014, 07:39:00 PM
I was wondering what the lowest brace height would be for this bow.
(http://i.imgur.com/y3xIreY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RQ1PFD0.jpg)
Post by: Stump Buster on March 29, 2014, 09:40:00 PM
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Originally posted by jeffg:Where it's set in that pic is pretty low...I'd bring it up just a little bit more. :D
Just got me a Northern Mist Superior 63#@28 from a fellow TG and lovin it.
I was wondering what the lowest brace height would be for this bow.
(http://i.imgur.com/RQ1PFD0.jpg)
I'm sure someone here will help ya quickly, but if it shoots quiet at fistmele, you can start there.
THANKS for the info on your bows AKBB!!! The ghillie is just extra parts I cut off of a Rancho Safari suit to cover my shoulders. The Rancho Safari hat is laced onto a desert tan boonie cover and is just enough to break up the human silhouette while still allowing me to draw without string interference. That pic was taken by my father a long time ago on a hunt we shared. Didn't get a deer, but had a great time together in the woods.
Thanks Again,
Stump
Post by: WESTBROOK on March 29, 2014, 09:51:00 PM
Eric
Post by: alex321 on March 30, 2014, 04:31:00 PM
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Originally posted by akbowbender:Hi, I am just curious how you like your take down? I am researching Hill 2 piece take downs and there seem to be a lack of choice and maybe some problems with the handle. How do you find it?
Thanks, Stump Buster.
Lt to Rt: 70" NM Classic TD, 66" JD Berry Misty Dawn, 68" NM Classic, 66" JD Berry Morning Star, 66" Dave Johnson
BTW: I like your ghillie!
thanks and enjoy what is left of the weekend.
Alex
Post by: MikeM on March 30, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
Post by: MikeNova on March 30, 2014, 06:23:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 30, 2014, 07:55:00 PM
Shooting at 50 yds for some "shooting the line" practice.
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/DF12C66C-C30C-4F12-AA1D-F002C0037F27_zpsqzigmmln.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/DF12C66C-C30C-4F12-AA1D-F002C0037F27_zpsqzigmmln.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/9939AF00-EBA8-4D9B-90CC-C6A2AC784F45_zpsgyeilble.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/9939AF00-EBA8-4D9B-90CC-C6A2AC784F45_zpsgyeilble.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/497DB57B-A625-4AF7-B820-06124551B843_zpsbpxqbutv.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/497DB57B-A625-4AF7-B820-06124551B843_zpsbpxqbutv.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jd%20viper/AF691273-3817-46B3-BE33-7F964526E74B_zpsx1z5ugrq.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jd%20viper/AF691273-3817-46B3-BE33-7F964526E74B_zpsx1z5ugrq.jpg.html)
I have been giving my time to the JD Berry Morningstar lately, but this ol vixen is as sweet as she has ever been. Honestly is she made it even remotely a challenge to shoot well I would probably shoot her more but alas she seems to make It too easy to be accurate :)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 30, 2014, 07:57:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/vixen/D695B11C-2929-4CE8-8383-E3DB4C9BC1BE_zpsds4fnzjj.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/vixen/D695B11C-2929-4CE8-8383-E3DB4C9BC1BE_zpsds4fnzjj.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 30, 2014, 08:05:00 PM
http://youtu.be/BzEHEZw4p_Y
http://youtu.be/uyYJnND3Qik
http://youtu.be/eHRLf9AqvE4
http://youtu.be/w1Bb-Skeu9Q
Post by: Bob B. on March 30, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
Great shooting! Your child did a great job videoing, I especially liked the narrative on the last one!
Bob.
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Post by: Goshawkin on March 31, 2014, 11:35:00 AM
(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc156/goshawkin/Mobile%20Uploads/photo_zps2622a470.jpg) (http://s216.photobucket.com/user/goshawkin/media/Mobile%20Uploads/photo_zps2622a470.jpg.html)
Post by: Ric O'Shay on March 31, 2014, 12:03:00 PM
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Post by: Green on March 31, 2014, 03:50:00 PM
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Post by: Stump Buster on March 31, 2014, 04:38:00 PM
Of course it's raining like crazy right now, but maybe it will settle down after they arrive so I can shoot them a little this week.
I'll have details and pics after they get here.
Stump
Post by: Goshawkin on March 31, 2014, 05:48:00 PM
Pavan, I figured I may as well sell them to somebody that will use them,they were all just hanging on the rack for a while now.
StumpBuster , way to go man,you gotta love a guy that orders 2 bows at once!!!!
Post by: kestimator on March 31, 2014, 05:55:00 PM
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Originally posted by Green:Made me have impure thoughts :)
That's like a Cabaret right there!
What a lovely bunch for sure!!
Post by: Stump Buster on March 31, 2014, 06:28:00 PM
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Originally posted by Goshawkin:Holy Cow Goshawkin'...I shoulda gone back a page before I posted!!! THAT's a collection!!!
Sold off all my other bows ( except for an old Browning Cobra and a couple bowfishing beaters) and only have and shoot American Semi longbows now. Here's my collection with my daughter's little 7Lakes bow all the way to the right.
(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc156/goshawkin/Mobile%20Uploads/photo_zps2622a470.jpg) (http://s216.photobucket.com/user/goshawkin/media/Mobile%20Uploads/photo_zps2622a470.jpg.html)
I'll try to catch up, but you're gonna tough to beat!!! I do have a JD Berry Vixen and a Yellowstone Renegade on order too, so there IS hope for me yet. THANKS for sharing your pic...it's gonna be my wallpaper for a few days to help ease the waiting pangs!!! ;)
Post by: Goshawkin on March 31, 2014, 07:53:00 PM
You only go around once,you may as well be happy!
Post by: jeffg on April 01, 2014, 06:10:00 PM
Post by: Kevin Hansen on April 01, 2014, 09:32:00 PM
I'm wondering if those of you with experience would expound on a question that was asked several pages back and only partially answered. The previous poster (don't recall his name) asked for opinions on the two-piece takedown versions of the Hill style longbows. I, too, would be very interested in hearing from people that like them, and those that don't. I've never had a takedown longbow, but am considering getting the feature on my next bow. One thing that makes me hesitate on getting one is the question as to whether or not the two piece feature compromises the longbows performance characteristics? Another thing I wonder about is will the fit on the takedown sleeve still be good and tight in 10 or 15 years? Really, the only reason I am considering a takedown is for airline travel and part of me thinks I could just endure the extra hassle and travel with my one piece longbow.
Thoughts? Experiences? Opinions? Insights?
Thanks.
Post by: neargeezer on April 01, 2014, 11:59:00 PM
I don't think any of the takedown systems create any loss in performance, at least I have never noticed it.
The metal sleeve takedown stays tight as long as it is kept waxed with the wax from the wax ring for a bathroom stool. I don't like that much metal close to my hand on cold days.
The connexion hinge is a good solid system, comes apart quickly and doesn't have the wax to deal with. It can be a little cold but the correct leather wrap can greatly reduce that feeling.
My current favorite is the bow bolt as Dan Toelke installs it. He uses a micarta riser for strength and with a leather grip I don't think it feels any colder than a wood riser. It comes apart with a quarter turn and slips it apart. I haven't found any negatives with this system on my Super-D.
You might have someone do a carbon sleeve which would be just about as warm as wood. They still require a little wax now and then, but it didn't seem like as much.
I don't think you'll ever regret getting a takedown.
Terry K.
Post by: David Mitchell on April 02, 2014, 12:06:00 AM
Post by: soap creek on April 02, 2014, 10:46:00 AM
I want to thank you for selling me that Redman. I shoot it better than any bow that I own including my recurve. I think its the smoothest drawing longbow I've ever shot. If I'm ever out your way I'll give you a holler, maybe we can do some stump shooting.
Post by: neargeezer on April 02, 2014, 11:15:00 AM
Glad the Redman is working out for you, I know it was hard for me to admit that it was a little to much bow for me and actually sell it. It always helps to know that it went to someone that appreciates it.
Stump shooting would be great. I have a pretty good area about a mile from the house that I could use some help with.
Terry K.
Post by: soap creek on April 02, 2014, 04:01:00 PM
Last Sat. our church had an outing for the men. We gathered at one of the members property for some clay shooting and some archery fun.
After the clay shooting was done, the men gathered together for the archery end of it. One guy set 3 clays on a big round bale, that was just under 20yrds to shoot at with his compound and release. I was shooting my HH Redman. Well with everyone watching he took aim at the 1st clay and shot hitting right beside it. I couldn't resist so I shot at it too, hitting right next to his arrow. He shot again with the same result, then I shot breaking the clay. Some of the guys laughed and he just looked at me and nocked another arrow for the 2nd clay. He shot at the 2nd hitting right beside it, I shot and broke it. Now the guys are starting to pay a little more attention. Well he nocked another arrow to shoot the 3rd clay and again hit right beside it. I shot and broke the 3rd clay. The guys were laughing and he looked at me and I just smiled back. I don't think when we started anyone thought I had much of a chance against a wheelie guy. To be honest I didn't either. It was just a friendly competition, but it sure felt good walking away, knowing I gained the respect of the on lookers that day, with just a stick and a string.
Post by: 4dogs on April 02, 2014, 04:06:00 PM
Post by: Kevin Hansen on April 02, 2014, 07:39:00 PM
Thanks for your thoughts on takedown Hills.
I'm curious if there is anyone who prefers the one-piece Hills and if so, why?
Thanks.
Kevin
Post by: akbowbender on April 02, 2014, 11:58:00 PM
I think Terry passed on some good mojo on this one too. While I haven't gone head to head with a wheelie shooter like Greg, I've turned a few heads at the range!
Post by: soap creek on April 03, 2014, 07:06:00 AM
As for me and the wheelie guy, that was one of those days everything was just clicking for me.
I don't claim to be a great shot but it worked out that day.
Post by: neargeezer on April 03, 2014, 10:38:00 AM
Being that the bows are now in the hands of good shooters, they probably have no wrong left in them.
By the way, great shooting Greg!
Terry K.
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Post by: Paul_R on April 03, 2014, 09:30:00 PM
I wanted one with the tall, deep, wedge type grip and I got the exact opposite! Pictures can be sooo deceiving and shame on me for not asking for dimensions.
But.....
It's got an almost imperceptible locator grip with a coke bottle profile. The only Hill bow I've ever seen this on is my Kramer and I gotta say, once I made it mine by wrapping it in beaver tail this lil thing rocks! I like it! Well done Mr Berry!
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140403_175840.jpg) (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140403_175849.jpg) (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140403_175856.jpg)
Post by: jsweka on April 05, 2014, 07:10:00 PM
I finally got my European mount of the buck I killed last fall with a Hill style bow of my own making. It makes a nice addition to the man room.
(http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/Hunting2013/SAM_1663.jpg)
Post by: JDBerry on April 05, 2014, 07:25:00 PM
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Post by: Paul_R on April 06, 2014, 10:27:00 AM
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Originally posted by JDBerry:Thank you James!
Nice job with the beaver tail wrap Paul!...James
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Post by: mellonhead on April 06, 2014, 06:55:00 PM
Toby
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Post by: mike g on April 07, 2014, 10:41:00 AM
My big 5 has what Craig calls his small take down, with slight dish....
My bow is not a take down, it just has the grip.
Post by: Paul_R on April 07, 2014, 11:12:00 AM
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Post by: mellonhead on April 08, 2014, 07:52:00 PM
Toby
Post by: alex321 on April 09, 2014, 03:28:00 PM
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Originally posted by mellonhead:Toby, now that you know, maybe you could enlighten us too with a picture? That would be much appreciated.
I called HHA tonight and they told me it was a wedge grip. This is my first HHA bow and only my second Hill style bow. I really like the grip. It really locates the hand well. I was struggling with the grips on these bows for awhile and the wedge style helped me locate my hand better. My extreme nock high issue is gone. Its now back to my same old nock high issue I was born withh!!!!!! It has been a bit if a journey learning how to shoot these bows, but I'm determind to make them work.
Toby
Cheers
Alex
Post by: Kmurray on April 10, 2014, 07:35:00 PM
First week was full of fletching cutting my knuckle on my bow hand; And my forearm, wow.. it was ABUSED! However a few modifications to my grip and now I only get a slight "kiss" when I do something wrong. Great training aid!! ha ha!! (learning how to fletch an arrow resolved the knuckle issue on my bow hand)
Anyway, here's a little group in my back yard.. it's only about 12/13yrds but at least I can now get my arrows to fly well and go where I want them to (generally speaking).
(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j345/kmurray72/Bow/20140410_120154.jpg) (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/kmurray72/media/Bow/20140410_120154.jpg.html)
I'm shooting XX75's that are too stiff, (500's) but it's all my local shop had that was close to being adequate for my short draw and light bow.I ordered some 175gr field points and trimmed them to 26.75" and they fly pretty pretty damn impressive when I do my part... I can't see nothing but nock when it all comes together..
Post by: katman on April 13, 2014, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: Shinken on April 13, 2014, 05:04:00 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_R:That is a *great* lookin' LH Morning Star Paul! You did good with that beaver....
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140403_175840.jpg) (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140403_175849.jpg)
I can barely wait for James to glue up my LH Morning Star!
Keep the wind in your face!
Shoot straight, Shinken
:archer2:
Post by: Goshawkin on April 15, 2014, 08:44:00 AM
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Originally posted by Kmurray:Guess everyone is different, when the string hits my arm guard at my wrist, I know I did it right.
However a few modifications to my grip and now I only get a slight "kiss" when I do something wrong.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 15, 2014, 05:58:00 PM
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Originally posted by katman:be aware that if there is *ANY* snake in the unbraced limbs it is *NOT* an american flat longbow in the "hill tradition".
Just giving a heads up, Kirk at Bigfoot bows is about to start #001 in the Stealth bow in about a week or so. This is something that has been in the works a while and will look much like a classic hill strung but give better performance. Plan on a build along on a separate thread showing the details of what goes into this design to make it so. I am also posting this in the r/d D bow thread. Thanks and keep an eye out for the build along.
afl limbs can only be dead straight, or slightly reflexed, or slightly back set. anything else will instantly make the bow a hybrid r/d.
i will add ...
the mild r/d longbow that braces to a classic longbow "D" shape has been around for many years. the first commercial one was "the edge" built by jim & buddy of 21st century longbows (i had two). this bow was a bonafide "ringer" that won the ifaa *traditional longbow* world champs, and should never have been allowed in the competition. its performance was a light year beyond all the hill styles used competitively.
these dayze, there are lots of mild r/d classic "D" longbows available. none have anything to do with afl hill longbows.
Post by: katman on April 15, 2014, 06:45:00 PM
Just wanted to make sure all the 'hill' lovers also new about this.
Thanks for the info on the edge.
Post by: Paul_R on April 15, 2014, 07:59:00 PM
So let it be written! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bQnxlHZsjY)
Post by: katman on April 16, 2014, 06:50:00 AM
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 17, 2014, 09:07:00 AM
this thread is not about hybrid longbows.
if yer unsure about what constitutes a howard hill american flat longbow, words and images are available in this article - www.tradgang.com/docs/trad.html (http://www.tradgang.com/docs/trad.html)
in the spirit of this thread, please temper your posts accordingly. thank you.
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Post by: katman on April 17, 2014, 01:07:00 PM
Post by: on April 18, 2014, 12:15:00 AM
http://youtu.be/Z1iQhBhngD8
Post by: katman on April 18, 2014, 07:47:00 AM
I started out with an afl design many years ago and am anxiously awaiting to have a non snaky bow again.
Post by: Mudd on April 18, 2014, 07:52:00 AM
I need a second and third opinion from those who watch this.
If I am seeing correctly Mr Howard is using his middle finger as his anchor.
Years ago I switched from using the same finger to using my index finger because I thought it brought the arrow closer to my eye and I thought I had read where Mr Howard shot this way.
I guess I got some misinformation.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: on April 18, 2014, 10:26:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on April 19, 2014, 07:33:00 AM
I guess I had it correct on both counts...woohoo! That doesn't happen very often.....lol
I shot yesterday using the middle finger, it felt strange after years of using the index finger.
The resulting conclusion is....both ways work.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Orion on April 19, 2014, 05:42:00 PM
They both work, of course. If one anchors in the same place, the index finger to the corner of the mouth has the effect of lowering the rear sight so to speak, i.e., placing the arrow nock lower on the face vis-a-vis the middle finger to the corner of the mouth.
Post by: Trad Longbow Joe on April 19, 2014, 07:50:00 PM
Post by: Blaino on April 19, 2014, 08:41:00 PM
Post by: Blaino on April 19, 2014, 08:53:00 PM
Look at all of Hill's photos and all of the old timers for that matter....... The string is touching the outside of the eyebrow. Once I made the effort to make brow contact along with middle finger anchor my accuracy improved greatley!
Give it a try. I'm sure you'll agree....
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Post by: Overspined on April 20, 2014, 07:06:00 AM
I'm sure Howard could do whatever he wanted without a problem, but I definitely noticed a difference.
Post by: Rossco7002 on April 20, 2014, 07:24:00 AM
Jeff Schulz passed that little gem my way and I owe him for it.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 20, 2014, 07:55:00 AM
Post by: Dan bree on April 21, 2014, 03:55:00 PM
Post by: lbshooter on April 22, 2014, 07:52:00 AM
(http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/ag252/caputo_art/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbe29f463.jpg) (http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/caputo_art/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbe29f463.jpg.html)
Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 22, 2014, 08:10:00 AM
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Post by: bsv on April 22, 2014, 07:18:00 PM
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x353/bsv1960/2014-04/Howard%20Hill/B8E7336A-6E97-46D9-AE72-37D3D69079A9.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bsv1960/media/2014-04/Howard%20Hill/B8E7336A-6E97-46D9-AE72-37D3D69079A9.jpg.html)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x353/bsv1960/2014-04/Howard%20Hill/E6C3E9DE-C28F-46CD-8435-8A7F9DD1926B.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bsv1960/media/2014-04/Howard%20Hill/E6C3E9DE-C28F-46CD-8435-8A7F9DD1926B.jpg.html)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x353/bsv1960/2014-04/Howard%20Hill/F0D69BAF-B4F3-49EF-B466-838F533D2C05.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bsv1960/media/2014-04/Howard%20Hill/F0D69BAF-B4F3-49EF-B466-838F533D2C05.jpg.html)
Burt
Post by: JDBerry on April 22, 2014, 09:49:00 PM
Post by: cahaba on April 23, 2014, 12:45:00 PM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/cahabarivr/100_0927.jpg) (http://s238.photobucket.com/user/cahabarivr/media/100_0927.jpg.html)
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/cahabarivr/100_0926.jpg) (http://s238.photobucket.com/user/cahabarivr/media/100_0926.jpg.html)
Post by: Green on April 23, 2014, 01:20:00 PM
:D
Post by: Paul_R on April 23, 2014, 02:34:00 PM
Post by: Kmurray on April 23, 2014, 03:24:00 PM
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Originally posted by Goshawkin:Goshawkin,
QuoteOriginally posted by Kmurray:Guess everyone is different, when the string hits my arm guard at my wrist, I know I did it right. [/b]
However a few modifications to my grip and now I only get a slight "kiss" when I do something wrong.
Sorry for the delayed reply.
Mind you I'm brand new and still learning... for a while now that has been true; no wrist slap, and arrows on target... however...
Just recently I've discovered that my drawing arm elbow tends to stick outward at full draw... I recalled somewhere here on TG, a diagram of someone's draw with a line superimposed on the photo, showing how the drawing forearm is in line with the arrow (as opposed to being at an obtuse angle, as my elbow has done).
I attempted to "tuck" my elbow back behind me so that it was "more" inline, and made yet a new discovery... My arrows group tighter, I've increased my "draw length" by almost a full inch (my arrows are almost too short now, as the field points now stop on the shelf) and I do in fact get a gentle kiss at the wrist.
So I'm still learning, discovering, and strongly considering a wrist guard, as an hour of shooting does tent to get tender now.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 24, 2014, 06:08:00 PM
btw, here's the 23" big mouth back quiver i built last week for the st jude auction - it'd compliment any hill style longbow, for sure!
(http://www.tradgang.com/rob/quiver/IMGP0378.JPG)
Post by: kybownut on April 24, 2014, 08:37:00 PM
Post by: Shinken on April 24, 2014, 11:53:00 PM
I have shot / owned many RH & LH Hill-style bows, but right now I have only ONE Hill-style in my stable - a LH HHA REDMAN - and it is smooooooth on the draw and shock-free on the release. I am really thankful to the Trad Ganger who parted with it...I have been blessed! You will definitely be shooting a great longbow!
Having said that, I am looking forward to getting my first Morning Star from James and shooting what sounds to be like a terrific Hill-style!
Keep the wind in your face!
Shoot straight, Shinken
:archer2:
Post by: on April 25, 2014, 12:31:00 PM
However, Tuesday, I was out. I set up in a nice cluster of basswoods and called. Then I noticed a small buck, dead in the creek bottom, with a shredded carbon arrow and a mangled mechanical broadhead in his neck. I can almost hear the excuse. "I couldn't find my pins through the peep, so I took a guess and fired." I stood up to go examine the deer and then move and there it stood, not 30 yards away, a tom. He never made a sound. With no arrow on the string, all I could is watch him bust. Wondering about the what could have been, I put a judo pointed arrow on my Morningstar, took a quick aim at little white flower where Mr. Tom was before and fired. If I had known I was going to hit it, I would have shot at something else. How do turkey's always have such lucky timing like that?
Post by: Bluegoose on April 25, 2014, 08:50:00 PM
I'm settled in for a long wait on a Vixen and a short wait on a HH Half Breed.
Post by: soap creek on April 26, 2014, 09:05:00 PM
Things are lookin up.
Post by: Paul_R on April 29, 2014, 09:44:00 PM
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/Mobile%20Uploads/20140429_143219.jpg)
Another perspective. Believe it or not I've shot turkeys from that porch. There's pigs and deer around too but those little coastal Blacktails are so rank and tick infested I just leave em alone.
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/Mobile%20Uploads/20140429_143800.jpg)
Post by: Dan bree on April 30, 2014, 01:34:00 PM
Post by: centaur on April 30, 2014, 02:18:00 PM
My Cheetah is my most liked bow (at least for now). You know that you need another bow to compliment that Shrew Hill. It's only money!
The Cheetah juniper is a nice compliment to a whitetail's looks, don't you think?
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/2dd99e5a-fc1d-477e-95d2-1dde0399cf52_zps5d29a0a5.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/2dd99e5a-fc1d-477e-95d2-1dde0399cf52_zps5d29a0a5.jpg.html)
Post by: TxAg on April 30, 2014, 02:31:00 PM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on April 30, 2014, 06:45:00 PM
Danny
Post by: Dan bree on April 30, 2014, 11:45:00 PM
Post by: Bluegoose on May 01, 2014, 06:23:00 AM
Now I'm kicking myself again for selling my Cheetah last year.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 02, 2014, 01:38:00 PM
Post by: centaur on May 02, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
Somebody has to do it. I'm just glad to be able to sacrifice. I bet you will like the Cheetah.
Pat
Post by: cahaba on May 02, 2014, 05:08:00 PM
Post by: Bud B. on May 02, 2014, 05:51:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:Can you post up some build-along pics, Rob? Mike is 40 minutes from my house. I have not mustered the grit to try to do one of his blanks. Maybe your prodding thru pics will tilt me over.
It's good to get back to basics yet again, and at last - 7 Lakes string follow bow blank ordered. This could be real fun.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 02, 2014, 06:19:00 PM
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Originally posted by Bud B.:yessir, will do.
QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:Can you post up some build-along pics, Rob? Mike is 40 minutes from my house. I have not mustered the grit to try to do one of his blanks. Maybe your prodding thru pics will tilt me over. [/b]
It's good to get back to basics yet again, and at last - 7 Lakes string follow bow blank ordered. This could be real fun.
this will be a 68" string follow longbow (carolina night), actionboo limbs under black glass, tips internally braced with a sliver of carbon fiber to best handle hmpe string fibers, no overlays anywhere, dark ipe riser with a slim locator grip. 42-44@29 = real lightweight so i can shoot a few hundred arrows all day long at the trad events.
mike will cut in the limb nocks, cut and radius the shelf and arrow plate, tillered out to the desired weight range for a split finger shooter.
just gonna take a buncha sanding and scraping, i think, i'll see. for sure, before finishing, i'd like to see if i can amber aniline dye stain the 'boo edges for a more aged and "caramelized" look.
final finish will be a two-part auto enamel clear finish that my pro airbrush buddy will spray on. BUT, i might just opt for a simple polyu wipe on clear finish.
then i'll cut out a leather grip and lace it on.
fun stuff, eh? ;)
Post by: MikeNova on May 02, 2014, 06:43:00 PM
Post by: Bluegoose on May 02, 2014, 06:52:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:Sounds like a great project Rob. It will be great to see how it goes.
It's good to get back to basics yet again, and at last - 7 Lakes string follow bow blank ordered. This could be real fun.
Post by: Green on May 03, 2014, 05:31:00 AM
Looking forward to your work on the blank Rob.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 04, 2014, 10:31:00 AM
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Originally posted by Ric O'Shay:i wish it was a true build-along, it's just gonna be a finish-up. ;)
I'll follow Rob's build along closely. This will be fun. :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on May 06, 2014, 09:15:00 AM
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 06, 2014, 09:26:00 AM
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Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:i ask that same question. :bigsmyl:
Looking forward to following your project Rob. What's taking so long?
;)
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Post by: centaur on May 12, 2014, 11:41:00 AM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:x2
i prefer to nock under a string nock point because it's the middle finger (split finger) or pointer finger (3 under or 2 under) that should be carrying the lion's share of the string load at full draw.
I find it just as fast to nock under than how John Schulz says to do it with nock over. Probably what you get used to, so if you practice nocking without looking at the nock point, you can get adept at it, no matter if you nock under or over.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 12, 2014, 12:12:00 PM
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Originally posted by centaur:x3 :D
QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:x2
i prefer to nock under a string nock point because it's the middle finger (split finger) or pointer finger (3 under or 2 under) that should be carrying the lion's share of the string load at full draw.
I find it just as fast to nock under than how John Schulz says to do it with nock over. Probably what you get used to, so if you practice nocking without looking at the nock point, you can get adept at it, no matter if you nock under or over. [/b]
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Post by: two4hooking on May 12, 2014, 03:33:00 PM
I set the top of my nock 1/8th above zero.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 12, 2014, 04:40:00 PM
with that in mind, i set a dacron tied on nock point with its bottom "edge" 1/2" from the 90* mark. i shoot some arrows (that will be used with that bow) at that setting for evaluation at 10, 20 and 30 yards. then i move the np down and up in 1/16" increments, shooting the same arrows at those same distances, to see where that nock point really belongs.
Post by: David Mitchell on May 12, 2014, 05:45:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on May 12, 2014, 07:03:00 PM
Believe it or not, most or all of that goes away if you nock over the nocking pt on the string. You will find that spine becomes a bit less critical and any porpoising goes away.
My guess is Hill and others figured this out and just did it that way.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 12, 2014, 07:08:00 PM
as a split finger shooter, i am *ALWAYS* conscious of applying the most amount of string pressure to the middle "pluck yew" finger. in doing so, i want that finger snug to the arrow's nock and not the nock point.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on May 13, 2014, 07:19:00 AM
you can just use overhand knots, or do a whipping, or do both, but both methods need to be finished off with a few drops of quality water thin cya, and allowed to harden. the resulting nock poing is both light and durable, and will last the life of the bow string.
knotted bowstring nock point (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000101)
Post by: soap creek on May 16, 2014, 09:40:00 PM
Thanks "Mudd" for letting me shoot yours. Echo's are pretty nice bows for sure.
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Post by: ScouterMike on May 21, 2014, 10:16:00 AM
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Originally posted by soap creek:I hate to mention this but I also got an Echo on order and looks like you will have to wait for Chuck to build it first, sorry. I ordered it about five days after picking up a used Echo 68in 53@28. A walnut core string follow bow was too interesting not to try. I am very impressed with this bow, it compares well in all aspects with the Northern Mists, Hill, and Miller that I have and I will be hunting with an Echo this season. This is a must try for any ASL fan, Chuck does great work.
Talked to Chuck at Two Tracks today. Got an Echo on order, 68in. 52@28 can't wait, but I guess I'll have to. Chucks a good guy to deal with.
Thanks "Mudd" for letting me shoot yours. Echo's are pretty nice bows for sure.
Post by: kawika b on May 21, 2014, 04:52:00 PM
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Post by: ScouterMike on May 21, 2014, 10:44:00 PM
(http://www.outdoorsden.com/bow/echo1.jpg)
(http://www.outdoorsden.com/bow/echo2.jpg)
(http://www.outdoorsden.com/bow/echo3.jpg)
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Post by: Stump Buster on May 23, 2014, 01:57:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:Pavan,
A fellow longbow shooter noticed my tradgang cap while was out of town getting my car serviced. He told me that he acquired an old Tembo, but did not want to shoot it because it had a cut in the string groove. He borrowed a car from the dealer and ran home to get it. It looked like it had a short strand in the top loop that cut into the lams. He agreed to let me fix it. I filed cam string grooves both top and bottom, sanded it off nice, put a drop of super glue in the string grooves and gave it three coats of Minwax. That bow shot very much the same with my 3 ply b50 string as it did with a fast flight, I left the new b50 on it for him. He said it shot with less hand shock than before and had a smoother draw. Okay, sometimes cam string grooves and sanding off the belly corners can have that effect. What I wonder is how often does a string with a short strand cut into a bow like that?
I don't have an answer to your question, but I just wanted to say that was very generous of you and another example of why I believe most archers are among the "giving'est" folks around.
Kudo's Buddy!!!
Stump
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 23, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
Well James at JD Berry archery has listened for sure. His standard bows are an 1" wide at the fades , narrow little tips and just an amazing flat sided deep wedge grip. And as it's no secret I am a huge fan of his work.
James sent me some pics of his new riser he is offering to match the old looks and risers of days past. The new riser has very steep sweeps and a riser length of 11-13". It looks great.
I thought I'd share with my fellow ASL enthusiasts
The bow with the brown grip is His vixen and it has the new riser shape
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/new%20riser/D2A24DE7-223A-4733-A34B-1484444023B7_zpsdkd61yvl.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/new%20riser/D2A24DE7-223A-4733-A34B-1484444023B7_zpsdkd61yvl.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/new%20riser/2CCAE468-E4E7-470A-A481-F1CBE6E45144_zpsebsafo6y.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/new%20riser/2CCAE468-E4E7-470A-A481-F1CBE6E45144_zpsebsafo6y.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/new%20riser/F7141224-F264-4353-8754-ED683D297A22_zpsebfjxldp.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/new%20riser/F7141224-F264-4353-8754-ED683D297A22_zpsebfjxldp.jpg.html)
Post by: David Mitchell on May 23, 2014, 09:21:00 PM
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Post by: Mudd on May 23, 2014, 10:08:00 PM
Thanks for sharing Brian.
God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Green on May 24, 2014, 09:19:00 PM
Brian - thanks for posting those pics of the steep/short riser. I couldn't see them that well on my phone.....lots of new ideas for next time.
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Post by: kawika b on May 25, 2014, 02:04:00 PM
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Originally posted by Brianlocal3:I like the looks... the encasement functions as?
That's his encasements that James does on his bows. Full riser wraps.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 25, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
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I expected my Mornongstar to be a bit slower because of the reverse riser. It most definitely is more forgiving and accurate, but it shoots a hard arrow. I draw mine to about 54 pounds at 26.25", my wood arrows, 48 to 50 pound spine, cut to 27" bop, had to be shortened and I had to drop my head weight. For my aluminums, 1918s, I expected to need to go to 200 grain screw in up front at 27" bop. I found that was also too much and had to reduce that by 40 grains. It shoots the same arrows the same distance as my 52@26" 62" Robertson, which shoots the same arrows te same distance as my 60@28" drawn to 26" Super Kodiak with a fast flight. In other words fast enough and smooth enough.
For left hand shooting on the ground the only bow for me is the Mornigstar, right hand on the ground my super from the blank Halfbreed, if I ever get caught in a tree stand I can go to my 62" Robertsons twins. If I know that I will be in a particular situation where going back to right hand shooting will be a better choice I will do so, otherwise the only bow going out 95% of the time will be the Morngstar. Thanks to James I am done buying bows.
For those who want to make like Howard Hill with a short riser longbow like the beautifull examples above, now is the time. The list that James has is not getting shorter.
Post by: katman on May 25, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 25, 2014, 05:33:00 PM
I'm pretty happy this go around.
Last coat went on , now to let it cure for a couple days and I'll polish it out from there.
http://youtu.be/NZAxJUL3CHQ
Post by: Stump Buster on May 25, 2014, 08:44:00 PM
I'm going to ask JD if he can do a really nice high polish on my Morning Star (Yep... Changed from the Vixen to the Misty Dawn to the Morning Star). Too much influence you guys have around here to try out the forward handle bows!
Stump
Post by: Green on May 25, 2014, 08:50:00 PM
Beautiful work Brian!
Post by: JDBerry on May 25, 2014, 09:24:00 PM
Post by: Stump Buster on May 25, 2014, 09:36:00 PM
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Originally posted by JDBerry::D :D :D
Stump Buster, its gone to take a while to figure out what you have on order. ....samej
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 25, 2014, 09:56:00 PM
And you cannot go wrong with any of James's bows, the Morningstar will serve you very well
Post by: katman on May 26, 2014, 06:39:00 AM
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Originally posted by Green:
It's almost impossible to have James call you to talk about shipping without immediately throwing your name back on the list. Can't 'splain it, just the way it goes. :bigsmyl:
Post by: Jim Picarelli on May 26, 2014, 03:00:00 PM
Post by: Green on May 26, 2014, 03:52:00 PM
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Originally posted by Jim Picarelli:Happy, Happy!
Seeing the reverse handle bows really got me intrigued about them but I couldn't get over the "strung backwards" look. Well I did it...one came up in the right spec's so it's shipping tomorrow. Berry Morningstar, 66" 53#@28"....looking forward to shooting it!
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Post by: Jim Picarelli on May 29, 2014, 03:42:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 29, 2014, 04:50:00 PM
That just screams shooter.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 29, 2014, 04:54:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/George%20hill%20vixen/479EE5B2-536E-4F22-A7D3-F765EE316DBD_zpshjesg4tb.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/George%20hill%20vixen/479EE5B2-536E-4F22-A7D3-F765EE316DBD_zpshjesg4tb.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/George%20hill%20vixen/768AD7FC-06E1-4F30-B308-DDF0BB5D0125_zpscq1aug8d.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/George%20hill%20vixen/768AD7FC-06E1-4F30-B308-DDF0BB5D0125_zpscq1aug8d.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/George%20hill%20vixen/705D2CF4-AACF-4D00-8308-2D7E414A2E79_zpscbrrqiex.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/George%20hill%20vixen/705D2CF4-AACF-4D00-8308-2D7E414A2E79_zpscbrrqiex.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/George%20hill%20vixen/705D2CF4-AACF-4D00-8308-2D7E414A2E79_zpscbrrqiex.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/George%20hill%20vixen/705D2CF4-AACF-4D00-8308-2D7E414A2E79_zpscbrrqiex.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/George%20hill%20vixen/6927A43C-58C0-4E13-AB5E-E975E84BC872_zpsqspjpvej.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/George%20hill%20vixen/6927A43C-58C0-4E13-AB5E-E975E84BC872_zpsqspjpvej.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 29, 2014, 04:56:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/George%20hill%20vixen/63CDAC54-A89E-44D1-B2B6-8669579F3562_zpshvfhnrap.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/George%20hill%20vixen/63CDAC54-A89E-44D1-B2B6-8669579F3562_zpshvfhnrap.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/George%20hill%20vixen/07C35F39-9937-4561-8A45-46D610ABF0FB_zpsudbb2zis.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/George%20hill%20vixen/07C35F39-9937-4561-8A45-46D610ABF0FB_zpsudbb2zis.jpg.html)
Post by: Green on May 29, 2014, 05:00:00 PM
I'm all over that narrowly swept Vixen for my next masterpiece. Nicely done as always James!
Post by: Stump Buster on May 29, 2014, 05:20:00 PM
Both Bows are Beauties!!! CONGRAT's GUYS!
I spoke to JD Today and talked to him about my model changes. He told me most guys chance their orders at least 3-6 times before the bow is ever started. SO I'm "normal" apparently. I also told him I've been trying to find every pic posted online of his bows to help with the decision making process. We agreed the Morning Star would be good first bow from his shop. Not sure how far out I am because he left his order book in the house... I told him he was just probably spending too much time in the spray booth. We may need an intervention. :D
These pictures both help and make the wait harder!
More Good news as I heard from Rich Wormington and my Yellowstone Renegade should be leaving his shop today!
Thanks for posting Pics Jim and Brian!!!
Jim and George... please let us know how they shoot, as those were the first and last models on my Berry order.
Stump
Post by: Moreammo on May 29, 2014, 05:35:00 PM
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Post by: Overspined on May 29, 2014, 09:45:00 PM
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/A00DC3BA-C6DE-44EC-BFC6-5A6DA01C3583.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/A00DC3BA-C6DE-44EC-BFC6-5A6DA01C3583.jpg.html)
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/2E3D078D-9C13-458D-BB6E-B897A22253B2.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/2E3D078D-9C13-458D-BB6E-B897A22253B2.jpg.html)
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/74304A49-59CA-477F-97C2-162C95BE9C28.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/74304A49-59CA-477F-97C2-162C95BE9C28.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 29, 2014, 09:51:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on May 29, 2014, 09:52:00 PM
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/9302CEFC-5070-4DAA-A4FB-FF9D382CE8F4.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/9302CEFC-5070-4DAA-A4FB-FF9D382CE8F4.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 29, 2014, 10:00:00 PM
I'm getting envious .....
Post by: Overspined on May 29, 2014, 10:07:00 PM
I received permission to thin the deer herd this year after the farmer's hunting son counted 50 deer in the hay field at once a couple weeks ago. Way too many. I've killed them there with the Hill bow in previous years, but protecting their antlers via QDM has kept me out, even from killing does. Antler hunting is terminating permission all the time...ugh. They are a challenge to kill because they are highly pressured, look in trees, and tend to trot out 100 yds in the field before relaxing.
So I will wear a ghillie and hide in the hay and along the sprinklers out in open fields with a quiver full of arrows! Should be fun.
Quiver I made for a friend's son, 8 yrs old. Said he wears it all the time, which is exciting to hear! He's having a ball shooting trad.
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/EA204E2D-81E0-44AB-B33B-13A782CF4048.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/EA204E2D-81E0-44AB-B33B-13A782CF4048.jpg.html)
Post by: cahaba on May 30, 2014, 03:58:00 AM
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Post by: cahaba on May 30, 2014, 10:18:00 AM
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/cahabarivr/100_0940.jpg) (http://s238.photobucket.com/user/cahabarivr/media/100_0940.jpg.html)
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/cahabarivr/100_0938.jpg) (http://s238.photobucket.com/user/cahabarivr/media/100_0938.jpg.html)
These are the third set I have ever made. I don't have a crester yet. If you look at the barred ones you will see one has more cresting than the others. I found it to hard and time consuming to do a fancy crest free handed.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 30, 2014, 10:40:00 AM
Post by: Green on May 30, 2014, 01:40:00 PM
Post by: cahaba on May 30, 2014, 02:39:00 PM
I really need to make a cresting jig. Does anyone know a site to order a motor from?
I used to always purchased my wood arrows or shot aluminum and then carbon. Then I got to reading some of the great tutorials on here and decided to try making some.
I really enjoy making them and if I had a few more tools it would probably become an addiction!
Post by: cahaba on May 30, 2014, 02:40:00 PM
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Post by: Green on May 30, 2014, 08:01:00 PM
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Originally posted by JDBerry:He's telling you no more running off and winning IBO shoots while leaving him home! Don't disrespect any dog that outweighs you! :D
Pluto had a party the other day, nailed a 1/2 dz. 55-60s, good thing he is bigger then me. ..James
Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 30, 2014, 08:09:00 PM
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Originally posted by Green:That and then he leaves him another weekend to go win the Washington State Championships in traditional longbow division, so twice this year he's left the poor defenseless 200 lbs dog while he goes out and brings home trophies :)
QuoteOriginally posted by JDBerry:He's telling you no more running off and winning IBO shoots while leaving him home! Don't disrespect any dog that outweighs you! :D [/b]
Pluto had a party the other day, nailed a 1/2 dz. 55-60s, good thing he is bigger then me. ..James
Pluto is just telling him he can't eat trophies. Lol
Post by: Jim Picarelli on May 30, 2014, 08:45:00 PM
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Post by: Overspined on May 31, 2014, 06:32:00 AM
Thanks James, I love making arrows but now I have to shoot them because my woodie pile is getting too big to justify making more.
Post by: mike g on May 31, 2014, 09:58:00 AM
With shipping both ways, I had my bow back in 2 weeks....
Post by: David Mitchell on May 31, 2014, 10:59:00 AM
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Post by: mike g on June 01, 2014, 10:29:00 AM
I'll be looking for another Hill style bow.
As far as the lambs go, which woods would be best....
Which wood is best for compression, which I guess would be the belly. Osage. and which one for the back....Yew ?....Bamboo core..?
I'm thinking on the lines of a Tembo, Less lambs, less glue lines etc....
And I'm not discounting JD Berry's bow's.
I'm also thinking....
Forward handle.
String follow.
Back set.
I can't afford a lot of bows, so I would like the best of everything in one bow....If that's possible....
Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 01, 2014, 11:00:00 AM
Howard Hill Archery is fast on delivery and dependable bows of high quality.
It would be hard to beat a J.D. Berry bow in any configuration. I'd call and pick his brain regardless.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on June 01, 2014, 11:09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:perfect. i'll take it, but with a slight loccator grip. :D
... if it was me, I'd chose a bamboo core and forget about the veneers, solid color glass (black or brown) ... and a little backset w/regular handle in string follow. ...
Post by: Bluegoose on June 03, 2014, 12:28:00 PM
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy101/rflinnlpc/IMG_0699_zpse2f8b933.jpg
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy101/rflinnlpc/IMG_0716_zps41d9c822.jpg
Post by: centaur on June 03, 2014, 12:56:00 PM
Post by: on June 03, 2014, 01:46:00 PM
Post by: centaur on June 03, 2014, 01:52:00 PM
I know that the one I have shoots where it is pointed, with zero handshock, and tosses arrows with authority. That's about as technically astute as I care to get.
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Post by: cahaba on June 03, 2014, 04:32:00 PM
Post by: WarDancer on June 03, 2014, 10:27:00 PM
Post by: centaur on June 03, 2014, 10:39:00 PM
Post by: WarDancer on June 03, 2014, 11:15:00 PM
Post by: WarDancer on June 03, 2014, 11:16:00 PM
Post by: ron w on June 04, 2014, 09:11:00 PM
Post by: Jim Picarelli on June 05, 2014, 08:15:00 AM
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2hxvrt2.jpg)
Post by: Jacquesbonin on June 05, 2014, 10:07:00 AM
Post by: jhk1 on June 05, 2014, 01:26:00 PM
Post by: two4hooking on June 06, 2014, 12:31:00 PM
Post by: CHENRYIV on June 09, 2014, 10:14:00 PM
(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/Bows/9B770563-847C-4BA6-A8B0-7BC5C7891EBA_zpszsvwsjvj.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/Bows/9B770563-847C-4BA6-A8B0-7BC5C7891EBA_zpszsvwsjvj.jpg.html)
(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/Bows/743F7790-F5E8-4994-BE06-FA69117A34A2_zpsodbei9br.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/Bows/743F7790-F5E8-4994-BE06-FA69117A34A2_zpsodbei9br.jpg.html)
(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/Bows/4BCAB8C8-042E-4A54-A298-EFEE239A6E4D_zpsipzgoyom.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/Bows/4BCAB8C8-042E-4A54-A298-EFEE239A6E4D_zpsipzgoyom.jpg.html)
(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/Bows/A770F5A6-A00E-457B-B8E0-AFCE6F87D7B4_zpsmgigxzux.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/Bows/A770F5A6-A00E-457B-B8E0-AFCE6F87D7B4_zpsmgigxzux.jpg.html)
Post by: Shinken on June 10, 2014, 12:04:00 AM
:clapper: :clapper: :clapper:
Beautiful piece of bacote!
Steve makes great longbows!
Enjoy!
Shoot straight, Shinken
:archer2:
Post by: cahaba on June 10, 2014, 03:22:00 AM
Great arrows two4hooking. I think I will fully paint my next batch.
Post by: NBK on June 10, 2014, 04:50:00 AM
Post by: Sam McMichael on June 10, 2014, 09:06:00 AM
Post by: ScouterMike on June 10, 2014, 10:22:00 AM
Post by: ScouterMike on June 10, 2014, 10:32:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on June 10, 2014, 11:09:00 AM
Post by: katman on June 10, 2014, 06:16:00 PM
Post by: Green on June 10, 2014, 06:49:00 PM
Mr. Henry - that's beautiful. Hope you have as much success with it as you do with your other bows!
Post by: Sam McMichael on June 11, 2014, 08:17:00 AM
Post by: CHENRYIV on June 11, 2014, 09:03:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by ScouterMike:ScouterMike,
Yes, beautiful bow Crispin. How do you like the elm limbs with the Shelton performance wise? I have tried other NM bows with elm and really liked them but only bamboo with the Shelton.
This is my second NM and first Shelton, but what I can say is that it appears to shoot as solid as my recurves and with absolutely on hand shock. I wish I could convince Steve to make a 64" Shelton to treestand hunt with. For now, I'll just have to treestand practice with my 66" before the season starts. :archer2:
Post by: ArrowPlane on June 11, 2014, 08:14:00 PM
Craig did such a stellar job on it...
(http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q717/dthielen82/HHA%20Hemingway/20140609_183823_zpsdca36ec6.jpg) (http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/dthielen82/media/HHA%20Hemingway/20140609_183823_zpsdca36ec6.jpg.html)
(http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q717/dthielen82/HHA%20Hemingway/20140609_183852_zpsef0318ff.jpg) (http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/dthielen82/media/HHA%20Hemingway/20140609_183852_zpsef0318ff.jpg.html)
(http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q717/dthielen82/HHA%20Hemingway/20140609_184157_zpsd8d94f21.jpg) (http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/dthielen82/media/HHA%20Hemingway/20140609_184157_zpsd8d94f21.jpg.html)
(http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q717/dthielen82/HHA%20Hemingway/20140609_183925_zpsc407ddff.jpg) (http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/dthielen82/media/HHA%20Hemingway/20140609_183925_zpsc407ddff.jpg.html)
(http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q717/dthielen82/HHA%20Hemingway/20140609_183910_zps9334bc43.jpg) (http://s1355.photobucket.com/user/dthielen82/media/HHA%20Hemingway/20140609_183910_zps9334bc43.jpg.html)
Post by: Green on June 11, 2014, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: Hermon on June 11, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
Post by: katman on June 11, 2014, 09:02:00 PM
Post by: Caboo on June 11, 2014, 09:22:00 PM
Post by: TexasKing on June 11, 2014, 09:42:00 PM
is it a straight grip, hard to tell from the pic, but very sweet..
Are you a Hemingway junkie also?
Post by: TexasKing on June 11, 2014, 09:49:00 PM
I just picked up an early 90's Jerry Hill bamboo express...
but when I was unboxing it the first thing I see is a whopping 2 1/4" backset.
At 75# you can only imagine the velocity, but it is surprisingly smooth, accurate, and easy to shoot.
Have y'all ever seen such extreme backset? Was that common place back in those days? Do you think its a mistake?
Post by: Paul_R on June 11, 2014, 09:53:00 PM
Post by: on June 11, 2014, 10:37:00 PM
Post by: on June 11, 2014, 10:42:00 PM
Post by: Shinken on June 11, 2014, 10:54:00 PM
Craig did some most-excellent work right there!
Enjoy!
Shoot straight, Shinken
:archer2:
Post by: ArrowPlane on June 12, 2014, 12:56:00 AM
It's a dished grip, but you can't tell in those pics because the grip leather was too thick, had to thin it down some. One of the only complaints I have is that the dish is almost V-shaped, not especially consistent in the curvature.
It's a Big Five, of course, to fit with the African theme, so the outer lams are amberboo.
And the riser/tip overlays are kudu horn, which I had to get shipped in from South Africa (along with the grip leather). Took longer to get the materials than it took Craig to make the bow!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on June 12, 2014, 06:46:00 AM
Post by: Paul_R on June 12, 2014, 09:34:00 AM
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Originally posted by ArrowPlane:Gotta love that! :thumbsup:
Took longer to get the materials than it took Craig to make the bow!
Post by: Chops on June 12, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
Post by: centaur on June 12, 2014, 09:51:00 PM
Post by: ron w on June 12, 2014, 09:55:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on June 12, 2014, 10:37:00 PM
Post by: Dan bree on June 12, 2014, 11:52:00 PM
Post by: Green on June 13, 2014, 06:40:00 AM
Post by: katman on June 13, 2014, 07:31:00 AM
What specs/woods do you guys come up with?
Post by: centaur on June 13, 2014, 07:42:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 13, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
Nate had related how in a discussion he'd had with John Shulz, John admitted that he used shorter bows than what people normally thought of when choosing his style of bows. John was using 64" longbows of his own make.
Nate had tried bows of that length and was impressed by both their smoothness of draw and their speed.
I went an inch shorter. This bow is 63" ntn and 55#@28" draw. So far it seems to be a sweet-heart.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty1.JPG)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty2.JPG)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty3.JPG)
Post by: Hermon on June 13, 2014, 02:59:00 PM
Post by: Paul_R on June 13, 2014, 03:06:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on June 13, 2014, 03:10:00 PM
how's the limbset - straight, reflexed, back set? nice 'n' smooth to 28", i'd expect.
i've tried 66" with a 29" draw in a number of hh style longbows, some worked well, others were dogs and stacked. there's got to be something in the design to be able to go down 2" from the "standard" for a given draw length.
Post by: Mudd on June 13, 2014, 03:32:00 PM
I look forward to seeing how it fairs for you in the field.
Good hunting and "Hunt Sharp" !!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: ScouterMike on June 13, 2014, 04:05:00 PM
Yes, what limb profile? I have 66in bows from HH and N Mist with deflexed/string follow limb profiles that are fine to my 29in draw but have found very few straight or reflexed 66in ASLs that wanted to go that far smoothly. Miller built my string follow Old Tom at 67in and it is perfect.
Surprisingly I remember helping set up a 64 Redman that I would be happy shooting, although it was a low draw weight, so the design and or limb core must have something to do with it.
Post by: on June 13, 2014, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on June 13, 2014, 05:17:00 PM
And looking forward to seeing your bow centaur
Post by: Caboo on June 13, 2014, 05:34:00 PM
Post by: MikeNova on June 13, 2014, 05:43:00 PM
Post by: Green on June 13, 2014, 06:15:00 PM
Post by: MikeNova on June 13, 2014, 07:31:00 PM
Post by: JDBerry on June 13, 2014, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 13, 2014, 10:13:00 PM
I pre-stressed the core on a heavy backset form and then add the glass and riser on an almost dead straight form. It's very smooth out to 28".
I sure didn't know what to expect but am very pleased with her manners.
Mudd... I'll be heading west next week for some ground squirrel and rock chuck action. I'll let you know how it goes.
Heck, I'm going to be spending the night of the 18th in Columbia. Maybe we can hook up for a while.
Scouter Mike... hope I answered your questions in the previous answers.
Caboo... Nate did mention John's draw length and I believe it was 26". Certainly not more than that.
Mike Nova... Fiddleback Myrtle.
James... thanks for the compliment. Means a lot coming from you.
Yes, that's a picture of me an my mom. We lost her this past Christmas. She was a special lady.
Post by: killinstuff on June 14, 2014, 08:57:00 AM
Post by: cmh on June 14, 2014, 11:07:00 AM
Post by: centaur on June 14, 2014, 11:16:00 AM
Post by: Green on June 14, 2014, 11:24:00 AM
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Originally posted by cmh:Go up to the top of the Pow Wow and find the first section....1000 pages of posts. There's a whole lot buried in there. But to be honest with you, grab a HH or HH style bow and shoot nothing but that for two days, then come back and give us your impressions. :D
127 pages of post...... Could someone help me along and explain what is so special about a Howard Hill style longbow? I don't mean that smart aleck either...... Must be something pretty special about them for so many to shoot them. Only longbow I ever had was a Mohawk and found I shot them better than recurves...... Thanks in advance ;)
Post by: on June 14, 2014, 01:41:00 PM
Post by: Paul_R on June 14, 2014, 02:22:00 PM
Post by: Homebru on June 14, 2014, 09:26:00 PM
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Originally posted by cmh:This thread (and the previous one) are what's known as "therapy" for those who are afflicted with.....well..... Hill envy. I say that because every time I look at this thread, I think "you guys need therapy".
127 pages of post...... Could someone help me along and explain what is so special about a Howard Hill style longbow? I don't mean that smart aleck either...... Must be something pretty special about them for so many to shoot them. Only longbow I ever had was a Mohawk and found I shot them better than recurves...... Thanks in advance ;)
homebru
Post by: ron w on June 14, 2014, 09:37:00 PM
Post by: cmh on June 15, 2014, 11:54:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on June 15, 2014, 12:59:00 PM
Maybe "dirty bambo " is what he calls it
Post by: Paul_R on June 15, 2014, 01:13:00 PM
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140615_100810.jpg) (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/pjriss/20140615_100831.jpg)
Post by: cmh on June 15, 2014, 02:44:00 PM
Post by: Shinken on June 16, 2014, 11:23:00 PM
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Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:OOOOooooooooohhhhhhh.........
In a recent discussion of bow length with my friend Nate Steen of Idaho I decided to experiment a little.
Nate had related how in a discussion he'd had with John Shulz, John admitted that he used shorter bows than what people normally thought of when choosing his style of bows. John was using 64" longbows of his own make.
Nate had tried bows of that length and was impressed by both their smoothness of draw and their speed.
I went an inch shorter. This bow is 63" ntn and 55#@28" draw. So far it seems to be a sweet-heart.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty1.JPG)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty2.JPG)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty3.JPG)
NOW that is SIMPLICITY! Beautiful SIMPLICITY!
Would luv to run a few arras through a LH model.....
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Shoot straight, Shinken
:archer2:
Post by: tg2nd on June 18, 2014, 12:48:00 PM
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Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:Charlie,
In a recent discussion of bow length with my friend Nate Steen of Idaho I decided to experiment a little.
Nate had related how in a discussion he'd had with John Shulz, John admitted that he used shorter bows than what people normally thought of when choosing his style of bows. John was using 64" longbows of his own make.
Nate had tried bows of that length and was impressed by both their smoothness of draw and their speed.
I went an inch shorter. This bow is 63" ntn and 55#@28" draw. So far it seems to be a sweet-heart.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty1.JPG)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty2.JPG)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/fatty3.JPG)
if RDS is reading this you will get banned!!
SACRILEGE!!!
HERESY!!
You know I wrote this in the first HH-Thread and RDS didn't agree! Nate offered him to build an AFL-Bow/HH-Bow to his specs (THIS SHORT!!)!
But it never went this way!!
Because what works/functions will work/function ever!!!
There's no progress/advance in bow building or bow hunting!
Post by: tg2nd on June 18, 2014, 01:26:00 PM
The bow in his video was 64", 14" riser.
I builded HH-style bows (all of them stringfollow) in 62"-66" for 25" - 26" DL (depending on the grip).
In my opinion:
HH's rule (DL + 40") shouldn't be changed by more then 2" +/-. For a reverse handle or stringfollow bow max -2".
If you go below this bow length, you will loose the advantages of an HH-style bow (forgiveness, stabillity, etc.).
Just my 2 cents.
Post by: on June 18, 2014, 05:42:00 PM
Post by: ChuckC on June 19, 2014, 08:54:00 AM
I have said it before and really feel this way. I shoot a recurve a bit better than I do a longbow, but I am much happier shooting a longbow, for some reason.
It has nothing to do with increased difficulty or any known (to me) features, it is just... me !
Seems the Hill style bows do that to a lot of folks.
ChuckC
Post by: Mudd on June 19, 2014, 10:16:00 AM
I have always said it isn't so much as how the bow feels when I shoot it..... as it is how the bow makes me feel when I shoot it.
There more than a few bows out there that I can shoot well with but unless they "take" me to "Sherwood" when I put my hand to it, I won't be shooting it much.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Dan bree on June 19, 2014, 11:14:00 AM
Post by: on June 19, 2014, 04:08:00 PM
Post by: Blaino on June 19, 2014, 04:55:00 PM
To take it a step further I struggle with my shooting in Howard's fashion if I think about the shot. When I just draw, get a solid anchor for a split second and drop the string without my string hand leaving my face is when I'm at my best. The American semi-longbow allows me to shoot that way better than any other bow.
Hunting season is still far away though :archer2:
Post by: on June 19, 2014, 05:09:00 PM
Post by: Green on June 19, 2014, 09:05:00 PM
Post by: Mississippi bow hunter on June 21, 2014, 10:51:00 AM
Post by: on June 21, 2014, 12:49:00 PM
Post by: Mississippi bow hunter on June 21, 2014, 01:38:00 PM
God Bless
Post by: Jabar on June 21, 2014, 02:23:00 PM
Post by: cmh on June 22, 2014, 11:36:00 AM
Post by: cahaba on June 25, 2014, 09:08:00 AM
Here is a 5 shot group at a measured 20 yards.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/cahabarivr/100_0948.jpg) (http://s238.photobucket.com/user/cahabarivr/media/100_0948.jpg.html)
I shot my Shelton some this morning too. I haven't shot it in a while. But it sure shoots great. Steve did a trapezoid design on this bow with the back being narrower than the belly. It shoots smooth and accurate too.
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/cahabarivr/100_0946.jpg) (http://s238.photobucket.com/user/cahabarivr/media/100_0946.jpg.html)
Post by: Mississippi bow hunter on June 25, 2014, 09:15:00 AM
Post by: ChiefStingingArrow on June 25, 2014, 04:42:00 PM
What kind of release did Howard have?
did he relax his fingers and just let it go
or did he pull through the shot?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1iQhBhngD8 at
Post by: arrow flynn on June 27, 2014, 12:48:00 PM
Post by: cmh on June 27, 2014, 08:57:00 PM
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on June 29, 2014, 07:27:00 AM
(http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m518/chrislovesjean/DSCN1070.jpg) (http:// [url=http://s1129.photobucket.com/user/chrislovesjean/media/DSCN1070.jpg.html) ]web page[/URL]
(http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m518/chrislovesjean/DSCN1069.jpg) (http:// [url=http://s1129.photobucket.com/user/chrislovesjean/media/DSCN1069.jpg.html) ]web page[/URL]
(http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m518/chrislovesjean/DSCN1066.jpg) (http:// [url=http://s1129.photobucket.com/user/chrislovesjean/media/DSCN1066.jpg.html) ]web page[/URL]
(http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m518/chrislovesjean/DSCN1080.jpg) (http:// [url=http://s1129.photobucket.com/user/chrislovesjean/media/DSCN1080.jpg.html) ]web page[/URL]
Post by: Bud B. on June 29, 2014, 08:00:00 AM
(http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m518/chrislovesjean/DSCN1069.jpg) (http://s1129.photobucket.com/user/chrislovesjean/media/DSCN1069.jpg.html)
Nice build Chris! How deep and wide is that grip??
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on June 29, 2014, 08:07:00 AM
The bow is 69" ntn, 58 @ 28", 1" fades straight tapering to 3/8" tips, basically an ALB. The grip is 2" x 4" by 7/8" wide. It was made from a 3/4 x 6 x 40 deck board scrap end. All held together by TB3 wood glue. Even the splice.
Post by: Bud B. on June 29, 2014, 08:16:00 AM
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on June 29, 2014, 08:19:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on June 29, 2014, 08:39:00 AM
:archer:
Post by: Bud B. on June 29, 2014, 08:39:00 AM
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Originally posted by PEARL DRUMS:(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/Equismith/ChrisHelp.png) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Equismith/media/ChrisHelp.png.html)
I cant get this stupid Photobucket thing figured out Bud? I tried.
The bow is 69" ntn, 58 @ 28", 1" fades straight tapering to 3/8" tips, basically an ALB. The grip is 2" x 4" by 7/8" wide. It was made from a 3/4 x 6 x 40 deck board scrap end. All held together by TB3 wood glue. Even the splice.
Like so...
(http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m518/chrislovesjean/DSCN1070.jpg) (http://s1129.photobucket.com/user/chrislovesjean/media/DSCN1070.jpg.html)
Hope this helps a little. You have to copy each link for each pic then paste them (one at a time) into the thread. I usually have two windows open and switch back and forth until I get all the pics into a particular post.
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on June 29, 2014, 08:47:00 AM
Post by: Green on June 29, 2014, 08:51:00 AM
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on June 29, 2014, 09:00:00 AM
Post by: Caboo on June 29, 2014, 09:37:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on June 29, 2014, 10:39:00 AM
Post by: Ric O'Shay on June 29, 2014, 05:12:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on June 30, 2014, 12:25:00 AM
This is a photo of the 1st 4 arrows out of the bow about 20 minutes after it arrived.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo1_zps3518e68f.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo1_zps3518e68f.jpg.html)
Here is a video I took this afternoon just to show the GN in action.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Favorites/th_SundayMorning_zps6410835f.jpg) (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Favorites/SundayMorning_zps6410835f.mp4)
God bless,Mudd
Post by: cahaba on June 30, 2014, 06:27:00 PM
Post by: Hermon on June 30, 2014, 10:45:00 PM
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc452/ghermon/Mobile%20Uploads/20140630_213755.jpg) (http://s1212.photobucket.com/user/ghermon/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140630_213755.jpg.html)
Post by: dhermon85 on June 30, 2014, 10:54:00 PM
Post by: NBK on July 01, 2014, 11:27:00 AM
Nice looking Great Northern. Mind elaborating a bit on its shooting characteristics compared to other Hill styles you've shot?
Post by: Mudd on July 01, 2014, 01:51:00 PM
God bless,Mudd
Post by: on July 01, 2014, 03:27:00 PM
Post by: NBK on July 01, 2014, 03:46:00 PM
Post by: cmh on July 01, 2014, 05:37:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on July 01, 2014, 06:16:00 PM
Mine is just one person's appraisal of my bows. Someone else shooting the same bows might rank them totally differently than I did.
God bless,Mudd
PS: Thanks for the kinds words guys.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 12:16:00 AM
I love a good high gloss on a bow.
http://youtu.be/NZAxJUL3CHQ
Post by: Steve Clandinin on July 02, 2014, 01:19:00 AM
Post by: Stump Buster on July 02, 2014, 02:22:00 AM
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Originally posted by Brianlocal3:Hey Brian,
Don't remember If I've shared this or not, but I refinished my JD Berry Vixen a month or so ago.
I love a good high gloss on a bow.
http://youtu.be/NZAxJUL3CHQ
Nice job on the re-finish!!! :thumbsup:
I watched your most recent video too and if you want to break that skateboard, ya don't have to keep jumping on it, just take it to a band-saw... or shoot a couple broadheads into it. :biglaugh:
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 07:41:00 AM
Well , a fat man trying to re-live his more agile and invincible days. It's a fun . Ha
Post by: Dan bree on July 02, 2014, 08:43:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 09:09:00 AM
4 coats. I sanded with 320 in between coats, after last spray I went to 600 grit. , then after it cured for a couple days I went to 1000 , then 1500 , then 2000 with polishing compound and a final buff with compound z
All the higher grits took maybe 30 min for all of it, not as time consuming as it sounds written out
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 09:12:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on July 02, 2014, 09:21:00 AM
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Originally posted by Brianlocal3:Brian I have worked hard at getting this body down to just being a "fat man".....lol (it's an improvement over "morbidly obese")
Lol
Well , a fat man trying to re-live his more agile and invincible days. It's a fun . Ha
50 lbs gone but another 50 to go.
BTW:Your refinish job is awesome!!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: ron w on July 02, 2014, 03:26:00 PM
Post by: Jacquesbonin on July 02, 2014, 04:16:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on July 02, 2014, 04:28:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on July 02, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
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(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo3_zps7bf0cbe5.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo3_zps7bf0cbe5.jpg.html)
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Nice find!!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Green on July 02, 2014, 05:54:00 PM
The refinish job that Brian has shown is real easy to do. I sanded my Morningstar with 180 grit this afternoon, wiped it down with denatured alcohol, and hung it to dry. Went back over it with 220 to clear off some very visible scratches in the shelf area from my poor technique, then wiped/dried again and sprayed the first two coats of Rust Oleum Gloss Auto enamel on about an hour apart.
I'll follow Brian's advice and knock the finish down a bit with 400 between subsequent coats, and then go up through the grit ranks till I get to polishing compound. The Rust Oleum gives a deep gloss finish to the wood, and everything was found at Wally World. Hey, if I can do it.....
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 06:19:00 PM
Glad the refinish is coming along good for you. I look forward to seeing the finished product!!
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps20ec6431.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps20ec6431.jpg.html)
ill be posting my adventure today in a bit.
here is a teaser pic
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 06:21:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 06:29:00 PM
I got to get out to do some stump shooting today, and with my newly altered HHA Back quiver , JD Berry Vixen and a quiver full of odds and ends arrows to include poplar, doug fir, western larch, and aluminums I decided to slay the forest.
the fields are chest/head high
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But the access road has been cleared
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First thing i see is a ground hog hightailing it off the trail
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Next was a fox but no pic was taken.
Bordering both sides are chest high stinging nettles (itch weed)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps8c5497bf.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps8c5497bf.jpg.html)
Post by: Mudd on July 02, 2014, 06:36:00 PM
I'll post the pictures but I'll let Jacques tell you about the bows.
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(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo4_zpsdd06a863.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo4_zpsdd06a863.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo3_zpsc14ca682.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo3_zpsc14ca682.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo2_zpsdb0e1058.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo2_zpsdb0e1058.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo1_zpsb6d5b2fb.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo1_zpsb6d5b2fb.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo1_zpsb53effd2.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo1_zpsb53effd2.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo2_zpsb976a568.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo2_zpsb976a568.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo3_zps0d790ba6.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo3_zps0d790ba6.jpg.html)
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Mudd on July 02, 2014, 06:37:00 PM
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God bless,Mudd
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 06:39:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps9f879160.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps9f879160.jpg.html)
this stump was my first target
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and a success
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another glory shot, because i like them
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one of the many ogres
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a success full kill. this one was 50 yards
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good penetration
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 06:43:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/47A6D343-C8BF-4060-ADFC-814D54E67A05_zpsykyyvbes.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/47A6D343-C8BF-4060-ADFC-814D54E67A05_zpsykyyvbes.jpg.html)
I found a buddy to accompany me
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and a little forest art as the Hinterland rovers like to call it
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(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zpsf5e0b894.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zpsf5e0b894.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zpsf15ce73d.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zpsf15ce73d.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 06:48:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps118f5d2b.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps118f5d2b.jpg.html)
aiming for dark hole on this one
little low left
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this is back down from the way i came
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i just liked this
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once on top i thought id be clear, I was wrong
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 06:49:00 PM
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Fear not Maiden, the troll is slayed
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 06:55:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps07ab9bc2.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zps07ab9bc2.jpg.html)
I see where I want to go
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even the mighty poplar looses sometimes
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other ridge, you should be able to see the stumps I'm after.
60 yards
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Ill call it a go, even though I'm lower than id like to be
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(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zpsec873006.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/July%202%20stump%20shoot/file_zpsec873006.jpg.html)
this was only a 15 yard shot, but I couldn't pass up aiming for the knot hole
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shot from previous spot 25 yds
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 06:58:00 PM
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Shooting at rootball at end of blow down I missed and lost an arrow
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Im posting this one from a different angle because I want to brag on my luck. 32 yards at the knot hole, first one makes it, so I send another, and then another!!! 3 in the hole at 32 yards. EVERYONE gets lucky now and then LOL
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 06:59:00 PM
Sorry to take up so much room, but since it was Back Quiver and american Semi-longbow I figured it would be well appreciated in this thread.
I hope ya'll enjoyed it.
Post by: Jacquesbonin on July 02, 2014, 07:01:00 PM
Next is Howard Hills personal bow! Which was constructed as an English longbow complete with staghorn tips, 70"82@28plus, this bow was built in late 1926 and finished in 1927, this took place in Opa Locka, Florida! Howard used this bow to take his first alligator and a bobcat which he wrote about in "Hunting the Hardway" this bow was also a star in the manuscripts written by Don Carson, alias "Chief little Goat", the story was about Howard, alias "Chief One Feather" and their adventures in the Everglades! I feel very fortunate to have these historic pieces in my collection! Mudd thanks for posting! Humbly Jacques
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 07:09:00 PM
My favorite shot of the day. the "loop" is a water vine maybe 60 yards
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First two dropped low
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Next three center punched it. That was fun, and finally a good clear spot
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Broken warrior
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The aftermath after using my bow as a machete to knock down all the weeds
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Litterally 15 seconds of polishing
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I will polish it up real good later and get it back to its former glory
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Post by: Mudd on July 02, 2014, 07:29:00 PM
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Originally posted by ron w:All I know is what's written on the bow and it says "Great Northern Traditional Longbow".
Hey Mudd........what model Great Northern is your bow? It's a nice one!!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Mudd on July 02, 2014, 07:37:00 PM
Did you take out any chiggers or ticks?...lol
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 07:51:00 PM
Post by: cmh on July 02, 2014, 08:21:00 PM
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Originally posted by Brianlocal3:Thank you for taking me along for your trip to the woods. I can't remember the last time I just walked in the woods and listened..... Guess it's about time I get back again ;)
I covered myself in OFF deep woods . Seemed to do the trick, I'm tick freee
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 08:31:00 PM
If Anderson is anywhere near Nobelsville , I'm gonna be in Nobelsville this weekend.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 08:41:00 PM
Since I do not own a video camera this is the only shooting I got on film today
Post by: JDBerry on July 02, 2014, 09:36:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 02, 2014, 10:47:00 PM
Post by: cahaba on July 03, 2014, 12:48:00 PM
Jacquesbonin awesome bows!
Post by: MikeNova on July 03, 2014, 09:51:00 PM
Post by: Linwood Hines on July 03, 2014, 10:33:00 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_R:I'm catching up - not able to read posts daily. I like this - "I'm a Hillhead"...and, I guess, after this last year of shootin' 'em, I am too.
In my younger days I shot recurves. Self taught and as I later learned, making pretty much every mistake in the book. And yet I shot pretty well (or so I thought). After a decades long break from archery I picked up a longbow, a bear Montana somebody was practically giving away on Craigslist. I'd long since forgotten my bad habits and with the help of some great YouTube videos and forums like this one I learned a whole lot and in the process, I've collected about a dozen Hill bows and with few exceptions, I can't shoot a recurve to save my life now! Hill bows just seem to fit me and I enjoy reading everything I can about them. I'm a hillhead and apparently I'm not alone! :knothead:
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 03, 2014, 11:27:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 04, 2014, 09:35:00 AM
I've always loved the looks of a wrapped grip like on the Harrison's and Ferguson bows, I already wrapped the vixen a while back, but now I got enough leather to do all my bows plus x
Here is the Morningstars new grip. It's already dirty lol
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/Morningstar/A70E4E50-FD3B-4CD5-9977-BC03347731FE_zpspqs07yb4.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/Morningstar/A70E4E50-FD3B-4CD5-9977-BC03347731FE_zpspqs07yb4.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/Morningstar/503F5A6B-E510-4C9E-AAA0-51C2D1DA116E_zpsco9wq9ew.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/Morningstar/503F5A6B-E510-4C9E-AAA0-51C2D1DA116E_zpsco9wq9ew.jpg.html)
This leather wish the super thin stuff that they line wallets and gloves with, really strong, bet doesn't change the grip when applies
I'm loving it
Post by: Paul_R on July 04, 2014, 09:55:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 04, 2014, 11:07:00 AM
Post by: mike g on July 04, 2014, 11:50:00 AM
Post by: Jacquesbonin on July 06, 2014, 09:40:00 PM
138 out of 150! Very pleased with this bow! The second half I couldn't help myself! I choose to shoot "Doc Hill's" longbow " Old Reliable" hasn't been shot since 1961! Note Doc is Howard Hill's older brother! Everyone thought I was crazy to shoot something they thought should mounted on the wall! Just the same I had to shoot it! I shot a 132 out of 150! Awsome bows! The English is 65"60@25" great performer, had confidence from the word go! Doc's bow is 69"60@30" which at my draw is 48 pounds! Now don't let the light weight throw you! This bow throws an arrow with authority! I will take a deer with it this fall! I just can't help myself! Later Jacques
Post by: JDBerry on July 06, 2014, 10:07:00 PM
Post by: Jacquesbonin on July 06, 2014, 10:41:00 PM
Catch you later Jacques
Post by: Green on July 07, 2014, 04:54:00 AM
Post by: lbshooter on July 07, 2014, 06:10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Jacquesbonin:Great shooting Jacques! I agree about the shooting qualities of the older Hill bows. The Green Dragon, made in the early 50's pulls around 50# and i find it has the same qualities you have found with Docs bow. If they are in good shape, I can't see a problem shooting them, particularly in the lighter draw weights.
The second half I couldn't help myself! I choose to shoot "Doc Hill's" longbow " Old Reliable" hasn't been shot since 1961! Note Doc is Howard Hill's older brother! Everyone thought I was crazy to shoot something they thought should mounted on the wall! Just the same I had to shoot it! I shot a 132 out of 150! Awsome bows! The English is 65"60@25" great performer, had confidence from the word go! Doc's bow is 69"60@30" which at my draw is 48 pounds! Now don't let the light weight throw you! This bow throws an arrow with authority! I will take a deer with it this fall! I just can't help myself! Later Jacques
Post by: Jacquesbonin on July 07, 2014, 07:41:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 07, 2014, 01:33:00 PM
I went out stumping today with my MorningStarin the 97 degree heat we got here this morning and was having a blast until I inadvertently pick a stump that was home so some very feisty hornets.
So today I learned it is possible to run full bore thru the woods, with a 68" bow , back quiver and Muck boots. I also found out I scream like a three year old , and beg hornets to stop when they are chasing me. Lol
Post by: ScouterMike on July 07, 2014, 02:54:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 07, 2014, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: Green on July 07, 2014, 03:58:00 PM
So.....did you donate your arrow to the hornets?
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 07, 2014, 04:30:00 PM
That was my favorite stumper.
Post by: Caboo on July 07, 2014, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on July 07, 2014, 04:45:00 PM
I know I'd have been stung since there aren't many things that I can outrun..lol
Jacques it sure sounds like you've been blessed when it comes to good looking and good shooting bows.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: soap creek on July 07, 2014, 08:09:00 PM
Post by: Hermon on July 07, 2014, 08:41:00 PM
Post by: Killdeer on July 08, 2014, 01:12:00 PM
That's OK. I got quite a good video in my head from your description. Hornets can sting you several times apiece, and suffer no ill effects from it. I would have been greatly saddened if they had been honeybees, the poor dears.
Killdeer :p :smileystooges: :wavey:
Post by: on July 08, 2014, 01:50:00 PM
Post by: far rider on July 09, 2014, 01:21:00 AM
:scared:
Post by: on July 13, 2014, 12:10:00 AM
It is odd how a bat can find the tiniest hole to get into your house, but cannot find the open door to get out.
Brown bats are not protected in Iowa, but they make a challenging indoor target.
Post by: ScouterMike on July 13, 2014, 09:50:00 AM
Post by: JDBerry on July 13, 2014, 10:41:00 AM
oom(decoy) Tip over couch and use as ground blind. ....mE
Post by: JDBerry on July 13, 2014, 10:44:00 AM
oom(decoy) Tip over couch and use as ground blind. ....mE
Post by: JDBerry on July 13, 2014, 10:56:00 AM
Post by: on July 13, 2014, 11:26:00 AM
Post by: Jacquesbonin on July 13, 2014, 08:21:00 PM
Post by: far rider on July 13, 2014, 10:16:00 PM
:thumbsup:
Post by: cahaba on July 14, 2014, 01:14:00 AM
Post by: lbshooter on July 14, 2014, 07:22:00 AM
Post by: Jacquesbonin on July 14, 2014, 12:26:00 PM
[email protected]
Post by: lbshooter on July 14, 2014, 01:21:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 15, 2014, 07:44:00 AM
My Jerry hill arrived today, and wow is it a beaut. Had a busy day so not a whole lot with it yet.
It arrived without a string so after the kids baths I whipped one up real quick cause i had to sling some arrows from it.
She shoots well and is equally quiet and well behaved 3U as she is split. I was shooting in the dark at 15 yards and they were all in the middle of the bag target, not real tight but center mass. Shooting 50-55 and 55-60s.
My plans of cutting it down and re shaping may not come to fruition as at the fades the bow is 1" wide, 1/2" at nocks, 1/2" deep core.
The grip is a slight dish and only 13/16-7/8" wide which is very very nice. The back of the grip is squared off with a wedge on the belly.
Even the tiller is perfect for me at 1/16", I'm gonna give it a while to think about and I may still cut it down but for now it will stay as is.
It's two lams of action wood for the core with black glass back and belly.
But it is a pain in the behind stringing that 69" lol.
Overall great shooter and I am very impressed. I just wish it was 66". Looks like one lam is a parallel and te other is a taper but I'll look closer tomorow .
1 3/4" backset
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jerry%20hill/CC8A5EDE-F583-416A-BABC-73E5E45E2F3A_zpshug95df0.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jerry%20hill/CC8A5EDE-F583-416A-BABC-73E5E45E2F3A_zpshug95df0.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jerry%20hill/63C582BE-A7B8-48CF-AB26-3B33AB6D77A3_zpsfrxj52rp.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jerry%20hill/63C582BE-A7B8-48CF-AB26-3B33AB6D77A3_zpsfrxj52rp.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/jerry%20hill/683491E5-9C4E-45BF-A209-A99D50C2A9B0_zpshl5qmtlv.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/jerry%20hill/683491E5-9C4E-45BF-A209-A99D50C2A9B0_zpshl5qmtlv.jpg.html)
Post by: far rider on July 20, 2014, 11:20:00 AM
Quiet week for the Hill thread.
Post by: Jim Picarelli on July 21, 2014, 04:50:00 PM
Post by: Blaino on July 21, 2014, 07:34:00 PM
Post by: far rider on July 22, 2014, 05:24:00 PM
Tim
Post by: lbshooter on July 22, 2014, 06:21:00 PM
Check the makers dates on Dick Wightman site
http://www.dickwightman.com/howardhill/identifyinghills/identifyinghills.html
Post by: far rider on July 22, 2014, 08:52:00 PM
Tim
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 22, 2014, 09:22:00 PM
I shoot it equally well as my Taipan and Viper BUT the ASLs seem to be more finicky of form flaws for me than the Taipan so I opted to increase my odds shooting it.
The MS is stacking them in tight out to 30 yards with the occasional big flyer so my goal is to focus solely on it from here on out and shoot it all next 3D season in hopes of shooting it in the Worlds next year .
Post by: Green on July 23, 2014, 05:14:00 AM
Post by: Jim Picarelli on July 23, 2014, 06:48:00 AM
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2n6rux1.jpg)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/259ineu.jpg)
(http://i57.tinypic.com/24ce6ja.jpg)
(http://i59.tinypic.com/124jvuo.jpg)
(http://i62.tinypic.com/1fbmde.jpg)
Post by: far rider on July 23, 2014, 02:45:00 PM
:archer2:
Post by: Mudd on July 23, 2014, 02:48:00 PM
Can't wait to see some action or hero shots with it.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Jim Picarelli on July 23, 2014, 02:49:00 PM
(http://i60.tinypic.com/1zhiqg.jpg)
Post by: Mudd on July 23, 2014, 03:30:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 23, 2014, 09:00:00 PM
Good find, I love my reverse handle models
Post by: ChiefStingingArrow on July 23, 2014, 10:53:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 25, 2014, 07:44:00 AM
JD Berry Morningstar, paired with some of Rob Greens amazing arrows.
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/Morningstar/9FE21389-3246-4C16-9F2A-D44D61FE82FA_zpsa58ynork.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/Morningstar/9FE21389-3246-4C16-9F2A-D44D61FE82FA_zpsa58ynork.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 25, 2014, 07:45:00 AM
Plus my new hunting pack lol
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/Morningstar/5C28DBC1-B939-40EF-8963-1EA8399066B3_zpsmdd6jkrd.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/Morningstar/5C28DBC1-B939-40EF-8963-1EA8399066B3_zpsmdd6jkrd.jpg.html)
Post by: two4hooking on July 25, 2014, 08:25:00 AM
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/Trad%20Know%20How/2014-07-22163811_zps95d0ce14.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/Trad%20Know%20How/2014-07-22163811_zps95d0ce14.jpg.html)
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/Trad%20Know%20How/20140722_164044_zpsedecf3a1.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/Trad%20Know%20How/20140722_164044_zpsedecf3a1.jpg.html)
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/Trad%20Know%20How/20140723_215554_zps62917c65.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/Trad%20Know%20How/20140723_215554_zps62917c65.jpg.html)
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/Trad%20Know%20How/20140723_215645_zps28d669c1.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/Trad%20Know%20How/20140723_215645_zps28d669c1.jpg.html)
Post by: kestimator on July 25, 2014, 08:27:00 AM
Post by: Bowitis on July 25, 2014, 08:45:00 AM
Post by: SportHunter on July 25, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 25, 2014, 10:22:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on July 25, 2014, 12:32:00 PM
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Bud B. on July 25, 2014, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: SportHunter on July 25, 2014, 03:28:00 PM
I let dry out really well then treated the leather with some Dr. Martins leather protectant. Maybe that will keep some of the moisture out for next time.
Post by: far rider on July 25, 2014, 11:19:00 PM
Post by: SportHunter on July 26, 2014, 12:40:00 AM
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Originally posted by far rider:Not a chance, that one is waiting for you...
Oh no Paul, I hope it wasn't that gorgeous Tembo?
This was about a Northern Mist Shelton I've been using quite a bit in the field.
Post by: far rider on July 26, 2014, 10:26:00 AM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on July 26, 2014, 02:59:00 PM
a 7 lakes archery sf (string follow) carolina night longbow u-finish arrived yesterday - 68", 46@29 (so far), action boo limbs under black glass, i think the riser is ipe. mike did all the really hard work and it's up to me to sand it down, contour the handle, and spray on the finish.
i had ordered it sans any overlays, for that classic "poor boy" olde tyme longbow look, but after getting it i decided to add back and tip overlays. at my request, mike had already added a thin reinforcement strip of phenolic 'tween the core layers at the tips. not having any fancy hardwood lying around, i ripped a plank of red oak and made some overlays that are now in the glue-up stage.
(http://i.imgur.com/UvHyxvJ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/2Y9As9r.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WZvcKnF.jpg)
Post by: Green on July 26, 2014, 04:05:00 PM
Post by: Paul_R on July 26, 2014, 08:35:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on July 27, 2014, 09:10:00 AM
It's purely a treat to watch how inspiration and perspiration come together.
:archer:
Post by: Rob DiStefano on July 27, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/L7aVACN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/qX677qd.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ecTCCYY.jpg)
Post by: Bud B. on July 27, 2014, 11:46:00 AM
Post by: far rider on July 27, 2014, 12:44:00 PM
Post by: Paul_R on July 27, 2014, 02:08:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on July 27, 2014, 02:51:00 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_R:being very careful. :D ;)
I don't see a speck of dust on those reloading dies. How do you manage that???
Post by: Rob DiStefano on July 28, 2014, 06:36:00 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/AM1z0Gj.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/5LGI0zn.jpg)
Post by: cahaba on July 28, 2014, 01:04:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on July 28, 2014, 06:24:00 PM
more sanding to do, and those string nocks need some inside bevelling to insure the string loop will slope toward the limb center lines.
(http://i.imgur.com/uEpHLhc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vNSTpbc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/396rsUw.jpg)
Post by: ron w on July 28, 2014, 09:21:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on July 30, 2014, 05:49:00 AM
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Originally posted by ron w:after sanding the entire bow down with 600 grit abrasive, i put on the first "massey" coat (epoxy and acetone, 1:5) to the riser and limb tips, as a sealer. i'll buff that out with 0000 steel wool and do it again. this is basically to seal the open ipe wood riser grain, and also because most hardwoods won't accept more conventional finishes without sealing.
Coming along nicely...... :thumbsup: What are you going to put on for a finish?
the limb string nock grooves and been sanded smooth to 600 grit and had water thin cya wicked in to all of the tip wood, to harden it.
the epoxy has almost no uv protection so i'll probably do some light spray coats of min-wax helmsman spar varnish as the final finish.
coming along nicely, so far. before finishing, i spun up a bcy d'02 endless string @ 65.5" and got the brace height to 6.75". i shot some heavy 660 grain woodies out of it and i'm Very impressed with the smooth 'n' fast performance, and zero hand shock. an excellent longbow design and quality of materials and build. kudos to mike @ www.7lakesarchery.com (http://www.7lakesarchery.com) - highly recommended!
Post by: lone hunter on July 30, 2014, 08:28:00 AM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on July 30, 2014, 11:05:00 AM
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Originally posted by lone hunter:
Very nice Rob. When you did the riser and tip overlays what glue did you use?
quality slow set epoxy
Also, was the bow pre-tillered when you received it or did you have to do that also?
pre-tillered to perfection
Post by: Mudd on July 30, 2014, 03:42:00 PM
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/487_zps2199235f.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/487_zps2199235f.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/486_zps0f27fd57.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/486_zps0f27fd57.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/485_zps5c9ccfe8.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/485_zps5c9ccfe8.jpg.html)
Post by: Jacquesbonin on July 30, 2014, 08:48:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on July 31, 2014, 07:35:00 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/m7Nnj84.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/EoSypJj.jpg)
Post by: Bud B. on July 31, 2014, 07:41:00 AM
Post by: Jim Picarelli on July 31, 2014, 07:47:00 AM
(http://i59.tinypic.com/rjiaki.jpg)
Post by: lone hunter on July 31, 2014, 09:45:00 AM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on July 31, 2014, 09:56:00 AM
so, what i've done for finishing is to wick in water thin cya to the limb tip grooves and overlay, to strengthen and harden, then seal all the exposed wood with the massey finish, then perhaps 3 coats of minwax helmsman spar varnish (a urethane) over the entire bow. all applied coats of cya, massey and varnish get 0000 steel wool light buffing for each coat. i'll probably buff down the last coat to kill the shine, too.
hope this helps.
Post by: jhk1 on July 31, 2014, 10:12:00 AM
Looks great. What do you use to thin the Helmsman Spar Urethane?
Post by: Rob DiStefano on July 31, 2014, 10:41:00 AM
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Originally posted by jhk1:mineral spirits, about 5% to 10% cut.
Rob,
Looks great. What do you use to thin the Helmsman Spar Urethane?
Post by: Jacquesbonin on July 31, 2014, 11:37:00 AM
Post by: Bob B. on August 01, 2014, 01:32:00 PM
Bob
Post by: far rider on August 01, 2014, 10:49:00 PM
I have no experience with them personally, but I looked around the site tonight Great looking bows. What's the limb cross section like?
Tim
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 02, 2014, 08:56:00 AM
Post by: Bob B. on August 02, 2014, 10:49:00 AM
The limbs on the one I have shot were nearly a 1/2 inch deep, with 4 Lams of Yew. It looks like there is a very slight trap to the back. The back and belly are nearly identical in width, about 1 1/16 at the fades transitioning to about 1/2 inch at the tips. The riser is about 13 1/2 inches from fade to fade. I was surprised at how nicely the bow shot as I really do not care for backset bows. However, my elbow did fine after a half day of shooting. It was accurate and fast, with just an almost imperceptible buzz at the end of the power stroke. The bow felt good to shoot. Both draw and release were very smooth.
Bob.
Post by: far rider on August 03, 2014, 06:20:00 PM
Would you say they are very similar to Craig's Hills?
Post by: Bob B. on August 04, 2014, 09:00:00 PM
Well, at a casual glance, I would say yes. However, Joel's bows are unique unto himself. His Leopard, even wih a little backset, is nearly dead in the hand. I have never shot one of Craig's that was this gentle (and I love shooting the Cheetah ).
I don't really know how to compare them, sorry.
Bob
Post by: far rider on August 04, 2014, 11:16:00 PM
Tim
Post by: David Mitchell on August 05, 2014, 08:34:00 AM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 05, 2014, 02:14:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/sPPGJNP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/r6bLBWr.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hyTPjHK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/g69430j.jpg)
Post by: far rider on August 05, 2014, 03:15:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on August 05, 2014, 04:21:00 PM
It made you a very handsome, good shooting bow.
:archer:
Post by: Green on August 05, 2014, 06:43:00 PM
Post by: cmh on August 05, 2014, 07:42:00 PM
Post by: cmh on August 05, 2014, 08:10:00 PM
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Originally posted by Bob B.:Checked out his website very nice bows...... Dumb question guy here..... What's meant by 1/2" backseat or 3/4" backset? Thanks
Well, this page is near the bottom, so II will ask a question to the gang, what do you think about Jet longbows? I have been talking with Joel about his Leopard, a, 3/4inch backset 68 inch bow with Yew limbs. Has anyone had any experience with these bows?
Bob
Post by: David Mitchell on August 05, 2014, 09:10:00 PM
Post by: cmh on August 05, 2014, 09:13:00 PM
Post by: Scott E. Thomas on August 06, 2014, 01:15:00 AM
Post by: bsv on August 07, 2014, 09:30:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 07, 2014, 09:54:00 PM
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Originally posted by bsv:when the released arrow makes too much noise, it weighs too little. either that or yer so close to dry firing that the string pops. ;)
can you guy's tell me what the minimum gpp on a hill style bow? not that I would go there ,just curious.thanks Burt
most hill style (american flatbows) like 10gpp and up, same as any other trad bow. all bows are unique, as are their archer-masters - find out what yer bow likes best.
Post by: on August 08, 2014, 12:47:00 AM
Post by: bsv on August 08, 2014, 09:53:00 AM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 08, 2014, 10:01:00 AM
was is "too light mass arrow weight"? i think much under 8gpp yer gambling, though the bow and its holding weight may dictate otherwise.
some folks feel just fine 'n' dandy going a few numbers below my personal too-light criteria, and i wish them all the luck in the world.
Post by: on August 08, 2014, 10:20:00 AM
Post by: bsv on August 08, 2014, 02:17:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on August 08, 2014, 10:07:00 PM
Weedeater line does bump up the mass but it can make the arrows noisy.
Post by: ron w on August 08, 2014, 10:37:00 PM
Post by: cmh on August 09, 2014, 12:03:00 AM
Post by: Green on August 09, 2014, 07:01:00 AM
http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/slideshow/Miller%20Sage
:archer2:
Post by: centaur on August 09, 2014, 07:55:00 AM
Post by: mike g on August 09, 2014, 10:24:00 AM
What are the no's.
Post by: Green on August 09, 2014, 10:49:00 AM
Post by: far rider on August 09, 2014, 11:07:00 PM
Post by: toddster on August 12, 2014, 04:14:00 AM
Post by: Bob B. on August 12, 2014, 07:59:00 AM
Bob.
Post by: akbowbender on August 12, 2014, 09:31:00 PM
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/OpeningDay2014/QuiverInAction_zpsb2f2b6b2.jpg) (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/finnish-archer/media/ArcheryPhotos/OpeningDay2014/QuiverInAction_zpsb2f2b6b2.jpg.html)
Like last year, I'm using my Misty Dawn.
I was close to a small bull, but I think he was a bit too small, so I didn't take a shot. I did get this grouse:
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/OpeningDay2014/Grouse_zpse200f705.jpg) (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/finnish-archer/media/ArcheryPhotos/OpeningDay2014/Grouse_zpse200f705.jpg.html)
All in all, it was a great day in the woods!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 12, 2014, 10:12:00 PM
Thanks for the pics and good luck on the moose
Post by: far rider on August 12, 2014, 11:37:00 PM
Post by: two4hooking on August 13, 2014, 08:18:00 AM
Post by: ron w on August 13, 2014, 05:40:00 PM
Post by: smoke1953 on August 13, 2014, 05:59:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on August 13, 2014, 07:02:00 PM
The Thermacell works great! I spent a fair amount of time sitting, so I'd fire it up before I put up the seat. Once it got warmed up an the mosquitos were gone, I took off the head net. Did I say tha there are a lot of mosquitos? Sure is nice not having to wear that net all the time!
I haven't tried it on the move, but I imagine I would mostly be wasting fuel.
Post by: MikeNova on August 14, 2014, 12:02:00 PM
Post by: toddster on August 14, 2014, 08:36:00 PM
Post by: MikeM on August 15, 2014, 03:40:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 15, 2014, 03:43:00 PM
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Originally posted by MikeM:pure aesthetics, though a glossy bow reflection can be a hunting deal breaker.
What are the pro's and con's of the gloss finish on Howard Hill Archery bows by Craig Ekin?
Post by: lbshooter on August 15, 2014, 05:52:00 PM
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Originally posted by MikeM:Many believe its a better looking bow with a gloss finish. The reflective surface can be easily dulled with paste wax or camo face paint for hunting.
What are the pro's and con's of the gloss finish on Howard Hill Archery bows by Craig Ekin?
Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 15, 2014, 06:08:00 PM
If I want to dull it, paste wax does it in a few seconds
Post by: Green on August 15, 2014, 06:20:00 PM
And once the goober above started texting pics and vids around of his refinish work, I realized it isn't as hard as it looks to get a great gloss finish. I just finished redoing my Morningstar in gloss and love it. With suggestions and help from Brian and Moreammo, I used Citistrip to remove the old finish and then did 1/2 dozen coats of Formby's Gloss Tung Oil finish over about 5 days.
I know from building arrows that a gloss finish is the hardest, so I'm sure a little added protection can't hurt. As said above, paste wax, Limbskinz from Onestringer, or other covering options can hide the shine.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 15, 2014, 06:45:00 PM
this 7lakes longbow i just finished with helmsman spray spar varnish came out pretty glossy, but it won't take too long to dull it down for the hunt. :D
Post by: toddster on August 15, 2014, 07:13:00 PM
Post by: on August 15, 2014, 08:35:00 PM
Post by: MikeNova on August 16, 2014, 03:10:00 PM
Post by: TxAg on August 20, 2014, 08:27:00 PM
The bow pulls smooth and easy. I can see myself going up 5# or so in weight, though.
I'll get pics up in the next day or so. Bow has a verawood riser and nude colored moose wrap with (of course) the juniper lams.
I know it's sinful, but I shoot carbons. I tinkered a bit today...but I'm open to suggestions if anyone has an idea on spine, length, and point weight. (I haven't ruled woods out)
Post by: Green on August 20, 2014, 08:39:00 PM
Post by: TxAg on August 20, 2014, 08:46:00 PM
Post by: on August 20, 2014, 09:04:00 PM
Post by: Blaino on August 20, 2014, 09:44:00 PM
Long story short, Unless you are going to hunt waterburffalo or something huge I'd stick with that smooth drawing 54# and give them Texas deer and pigs heck!
Post by: TxAg on August 20, 2014, 11:32:00 PM
GT Trad 55/75s cut to 29" with 200 gr tip and standard 18 gr insert and 12 gr nock with 3 5" feathers. I like to use 1" of aluminum footing as well but have never noticed that to affect arrow flight. Overall, right about 10 gpp
The string that came with appears to be a FF type material. It is 8 strand but has some thickness. Eventually, I'd like to ahoot an 8 strand SBD d-10. They work so well on all my bows.
Thoughts?
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 21, 2014, 06:00:00 AM
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Originally posted by TxAg:if yer bow can handle modern hmpe string fibers ("dyneema", "vectran", "spectra", etc) then that's surely be the way to go for a bowstring and will be much better than any polyester ("dacron" = b50, b500, b55) bowstring in more ways than one.
Although fletched arrow flight is looking good so far (i will bareshaft soon) these seem like they "should" be a little stiff
GT Trad 55/75s cut to 29" with 200 gr tip and standard 18 gr insert and 12 gr nock with 3 5" feathers. I like to use 1" of aluminum footing as well but have never noticed that to affect arrow flight. Overall, right about 10 gpp
The string that came with appears to be a FF type material. It is 8 strand but has some thickness. Eventually, I'd like to ahoot an 8 strand SBD d-10. They work so well on all my bows.
Thoughts?
the rest of the string's design is purely personal, so if at all possible, test out a variety of different hmpe string materials, strand counts, and flavors (flemish and endless). brace heights and nocking point heights are more critical than the strand count and type of hmpe fiber. enjoy!
Post by: TxAg on August 21, 2014, 06:39:00 AM
Post by: Green on August 21, 2014, 06:46:00 AM
And yes, put a FF string on that bow....you'll quickly relieve your shooting of any handshock and most of the noise. Start your brace height out about 6 3/8" with the FF and no silencers....then go from there.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 21, 2014, 07:17:00 AM
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Originally posted by TxAg:carbons are known for having a very high dynamic spine range, as opposed to their listed static spine range. when compared to woodies or even alums, carbon static spines are just too high - at least that's my evaluation after too much testing. no wonder they're typically listed in 20# ranges per static spine. as a result, i realized that going down at least one static spine range was the ticket.
I agree Rob. Ay thoughts on that arrow set up? It seems like it should be stiff, but so far so good. Just gota keep tinkering
so for carbons, i use cheap beman bowhunters, 500 spine, 29" long from depth of nock to the end of the insert, with 250 to 350 grains of point and adapter up front for a 510 to 590 grain arrow. feathers are either 5.25" shield helical 3-fletch or 4.25" banana offset 4-fletch. they've worked just fine for me.
Post by: ScouterMike on August 21, 2014, 08:25:00 AM
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Originally posted by TxAg:2x what Rob said, with carbons go low on spine with an ASL. I would even suggest scrounging up a few 2016 aluminums which will fly perfect and give you a good baseline of what you can do with the bow.
I agree Rob. Ay thoughts on that arrow set up? It seems like it should be stiff, but so far so good. Just gota keep tinkering
I learned the hard way, selling a great Hill because I thought I could not shoot it well. I was shooting only carbon arrows. The new owner let me try it after it was setup with arrows it liked and I was sick. I set those carbons on the swap table with a free sign and walked away from them.
Also like Green said start at a low brace with a bare string and you will find a sweet spot with very little noise and vibration. Consider starting below 6in if your form allows it. I have two 66in Hills and they both tune out between 6 and 6 1/4 and get vibration above 6 1/2.
I actually prefer a Dacron string on an ASL but that is another subject.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 21, 2014, 08:34:00 AM
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Originally posted by ScouterMike:try keeping the strand count the same with an hmpe string as you have with yer polyester/dacron string. the inherent functional benefits of hmpe are something worth having.
... I actually prefer a Dacron string on an ASL but that is another subject.
Post by: on August 21, 2014, 12:16:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 21, 2014, 12:27:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:if the strand count is 10 or under for endless strings i add 2 strands, and for flemmish i'd add a minimum of 6 strands. all padded strands are always polyester/dacron.
If the strand count is the same with hmpe material, does it need padding for a Hill with the wedged tips?
Post by: jhk1 on August 21, 2014, 01:01:00 PM
For anyone thinking about getting rid of a Hill-style longbow because of issues with handshock and shootability-- if you're shooting the bow with a Dacron string, do yourself a big favor and try an HMPE string (should probably go with Dacron-padded loops) before you get rid of it. You may end up loving the bow.
Post by: ScouterMike on August 21, 2014, 03:46:00 PM
I will say this though, the last b50 string I purchased (for a bow I was selling) from a major supplier was way too long for the marked length and only available in one strand size, a little too heavy for the intended bow. It would not settle in (sizing issue) and weighed 40 grains (over 25%) more than the b50 string it was replacing. If this was my only experience with b50, I would not use it period.
Actually, now that I am thinking about, I do not know where I could order a proper b50 string for a bow less than 60lb (say 14 strand as I use my ASLs). I guess I would have to try to order it from custom string builder as few even list it as available, must not be very popular.
Post by: TxAg on August 21, 2014, 04:06:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 21, 2014, 04:15:00 PM
Post by: NBK on August 21, 2014, 04:57:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:X2 on the beman 500's
QuoteOriginally posted by TxAg:carbons are known for having a very high dynamic spine range, as opposed to their listed static spine range. when compared to woodies or even alums, carbon static spines are just too high - at least that's my evaluation after too much testing. no wonder they're typically listed in 20# ranges per static spine. as a result, i realized that going down at least one static spine range was the ticket.
I agree Rob. Ay thoughts on that arrow set up? It seems like it should be stiff, but so far so good. Just gota keep tinkering
so for carbons, i use cheap beman bowhunters, 500 spine, 29" long from depth of nock to the end of the insert, with 250 to 350 grains of point and adapter up front for a 510 to 590 grain arrow. feathers are either 5.25" shield helical 3-fletch or 4.25" banana offset 4-fletch. they've worked just fine for me. [/b]
just learned the hard way that I was overspined and my set up now is almost exactly like Rob's.
500 spine cut to 29 3/4" with 300 gr. up front. out of a 60@28 Liberty English drawn to 28ish.
Post by: Hermon on August 21, 2014, 05:29:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:What weight bow are you shooting these out of Rob?
so for carbons, i use cheap beman bowhunters, 500 spine, 29" long from depth of nock to the end of the insert, with 250 to 350 grains of point and adapter up front for a 510 to 590 grain arrow. feathers are either 5.25" shield helical 3-fletch or 4.25" banana offset 4-fletch. they've worked just fine for me. [/QB]
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 21, 2014, 06:48:00 PM
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Originally posted by Hermon:38# to 53# @ 29" - i pull the back of the head (insert) to the front of the arrow shelf.
QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:What weight bow are you shooting these out of Rob? [/QB]
so for carbons, i use cheap beman bowhunters, 500 spine, 29" long from depth of nock to the end of the insert, with 250 to 350 grains of point and adapter up front for a 510 to 590 grain arrow. feathers are either 5.25" shield helical 3-fletch or 4.25" banana offset 4-fletch. they've worked just fine for me. [/b]
Post by: WESTBROOK on August 21, 2014, 10:55:00 PM
TxAg, your quite stiff with those 55/75's
I shoot them, 31" w/300g out of a 58 @ 29 NM Classic
Post by: Centex on August 22, 2014, 01:50:00 PM
Post by: Paul_R on August 22, 2014, 01:53:00 PM
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Originally posted by Centex:That's been my recipe for success with carbons. :thumbsup:
TxAg 400 spine is way too much. I doesn't make sense to me but only 500s will fly from my hill bows 48-55 lbs. I currently shoot the 3555s full length standard insert with 175-250 upfront.
5575's don't fly right for me with much less than about 65# behind 'em.
Post by: two4hooking on August 22, 2014, 03:41:00 PM
Post by: MikeNova on August 22, 2014, 04:06:00 PM
Post by: on August 22, 2014, 05:28:00 PM
"The Hill style of shooting is quite simple, but it is exacting." - John Schulz
Keeping it simple makes it more fun.
Post by: TxAg on August 22, 2014, 05:40:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 22, 2014, 05:49:00 PM
i'll always build 'em and shoot 'em, but they're individually far more unique and overall less consistent, particularly after shooting, than those other shaft materials.
newbies and those working on form should stick with carbon or aluminum shafted arrows and avoid woodies - one less variable to be of concern.
Post by: ron w on August 22, 2014, 07:16:00 PM
Post by: on August 22, 2014, 07:32:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 22, 2014, 09:58:00 PM
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Originally posted by ron w:yeah, sometimes erratic at best. :eek: :rolleyes: :wavey:
Nothing shoots like wood........ :wavey:
but i loves 'em! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: on August 22, 2014, 10:22:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on August 22, 2014, 11:06:00 PM
I am not against carbon, I shoot em a little, but wood is so forgiving, quiet, and even fly straight when bent...and there are a million different choices in shaft material now days available to order. I've seen the enjoyment of shooting come and go with the arrow choice, esp in inexperienced shooters trying to tune carbons. Keep it simple seems to work.
Then when you are having fun with normal, easily measured alum or wood arrows, start messing around with carbons and inserts, heavier inserts, even heavier points, nocks too tight on the string, make another string so they fit, turning the nocks, add weights that screw into the back of the inserts, add another insert on the nock, figure out how you will glue your broadheads on another set of head inserts, try and end up with the right grain weight, and don't ever short draw by an inch or it might kick again, realize they are cut too short, add weight tubes which often affect spine...FUN!
Post by: TxAg on August 22, 2014, 11:27:00 PM
I do appreciate all the reaffirming comments. This is a really fun and informative thread. I like to read hunting and financial forums....never seen a thread anywhere as cool as this Hill appreciation thread.
Post by: on August 23, 2014, 01:18:00 AM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 23, 2014, 06:03:00 AM
matching a set of 12 woodies will always be hit or miss - they will NEVER EVER be as perfect as those "non-traditional" shaft materials. it's folly to think otherwise because of the inconsistency limitations of the unique organic medium, which has a mind of its own and is highly susceptible to the environment AND usage.
back when i built arrows with better than decent wood shafts (can you say "acme" circa the 1950's and 60's?), matching a dozen was a bit better than today because the poc of yesteryear was simply THAT good as compared to ANY of the woods commercially sold today.
however, these dayze i find myself building and shooting woodies far more than carbons. it's mainly from an aesthetic perspective, but for me it's also a "stability" thing. big 'n' heavy wood, with big fletching and with far less foc. like long range big caliber single shot rifles, slow 'n' steady can be a very good thing when flinging 11 to 13 gpp logs at sane shooting distances.
i see no need to mess with aluminums - they just don't have the durability i can get out of a cheap carbon shafted arrow.
now, when it comes to working on shooting form, the better precision of carbon or alum arrows makes far better sense than using wood arrows. i like to know that *I* missed, not the arrow.
those archers who just can't seem to get a carbon arrow to fly well are almost always using a shaft that 1 to 3 spines too stiff, even after loading up the front end. i doubt there's a typical stick bow in the 40# to 55# @ 28" range that can't get a tweaked 500 spine carbon to fly well outta it.
a handsome feller amongst a bunch dullards. :saywhat: :D
(http://i.imgur.com/abvuo9s.jpg)
ain't da wood just so purty? :wavey:
Post by: on August 23, 2014, 10:30:00 AM
My biggest challenge with wood arrows is to get them the same weight, for years I was getting extra heavies from Rogue River. They are tougher than an average cedar and shoot nice, but tough to duplicate. As the numbers dwindled down over time I do get some old arrows that do not match my current set up. They make good pheasant and rabbit arrows, I have a hard time shooting alumnums and graphites at pheasants, with old cedars, I don't give it a second thought.
I just finished up a dozen Acme cedars. The heaviest one is 521 grains and the lightest one is 516 grains, they have really straight grain lines, no flare outs and they needed no straightening. I think that I am keeping them for myself.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 23, 2014, 10:53:00 AM
all the talk about making a great set of well matched woodies is just fine and dandy. been there, done that. with lots of care a reasonably matched set for spine and weight can be created. howwever, once born, woodies are far more influenced by their environment and the stresses of release and landing than those other non-trad shaft materials, and consistency does suffer.
it's great to love woodies, i do, big time. i actually build and shoot them now more than i've ever had, and that's going back *over* 60 years. but to think they're in the same consistency league as alums or carbs is just wishful thinking. believe, me i have those same wishes, but facts is facts. there is no "ymmv" applicable here, sorry.
Post by: lbshooter on August 23, 2014, 11:21:00 AM
I have had no problem with the current availability of excellent hand matched POC shafts from Kustom King. I have found that they give up little or anything to carbons or aluminum for my purposes. These shots are typical performance 20,30 and 40(2 right angled arrows) yards with my Miller Split Bamboo. I also use them with my Schafer Silvertip which shoots them perfectly. I have sometimes wondered if it's just my passion for wood arrows that gets them to shoot so well for me.
Post by: on August 23, 2014, 11:23:00 AM
Out of that gross of RC shafts, there was over a 50 grain variance in weight if I remember right, and if the spine tester that he had for sale was accurate, a 20 pound variance in spine, even though they were all suppose to be 50-55. I could understand that if someone was assuming those would shoot consistently from a Hill style longbow and just make them up without checking, they would be in for a challenge.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 23, 2014, 11:32:00 AM
for the very most part, at the typical short distances we hunt game, woodies are just fine, at least for me. understanding woodie limitations is just part of the game.
(http://i.imgur.com/HxLm3MS.jpg)
Post by: Paul_R on August 23, 2014, 11:52:00 AM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 23, 2014, 05:31:00 PM
As far as carbons go. A simple bareshaft test will answer all questions quickly and absolutely.
I'll take a new bow/arrow set up, and just follow Byron Ferguson's or the black widow bs video and your golden
Post by: LongStick64 on August 23, 2014, 06:22:00 PM
I shoot wood arrows and will accept the associated limitations. But human history as proven that the good old wood arrow has carried us pretty well up to this point. Other arrow materials have a long way to go to overtake the accomplishments of the wood arrow.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 23, 2014, 07:04:00 PM
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Originally posted by LongStick64:a completely impossible task since man made arrow shafting came eons after wood and cane. :D
...Other arrow materials have a long way to go to overtake the accomplishments of the wood arrow.
but seriously, who in their right mind really cares? :wavey: :campfire:
Post by: ron w on August 23, 2014, 09:06:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 23, 2014, 09:50:00 PM
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Originally posted by ron w:that's exactly what i mean. :cool:
I guess I must be not of right mind.......history of this sport means a lot to me. And I just like to see the old ways continue.
Post by: WESTBROOK on August 23, 2014, 09:54:00 PM
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Originally posted by ron w:X2
I guess I must be not of right mind.......history of this sport means a lot to me. And I just like to see the old ways continue.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 24, 2014, 05:58:00 AM
whilst it's great nostalgic fun to happily wax and pine about continuing the "ways of old", anyone entering that euphoria with a good dose of common sense should prevail.
imho, employing woodies is not a trad bow hunting prescription for all.
knowing yer tackle, and shooting woodies with any reasonable modicum of accuracy and consistency should be of prime concern when killing game is the goal.
and then there's one's hunting woodsmanship level of expertise to be considered.
other than that, fling away mates! :campfire:
woodies are unique, i give each a different crest. like my kids, each one is different it their own way. :)
(http://i.imgur.com/Zp74JTx.jpg)
Post by: Rossco7002 on August 24, 2014, 09:58:00 AM
The fly in the ointment is KNOWING that your woodies are in the proper range.
Right now I'm shooting a Miller Old Tom 60@26 (drawing about 26.3) with Axis Traditional 500 spine arrows - 27.5 inches, 75gr insert and 225gr head. Great bareshaft flight with this set up so today I'm going out to test a 125gr Grizzly broadhead mounted on a 100gr steel adaptor shooting out to 40 yards.
All things being good I'll send that arrow through a mule deer in a weeks time (when I'll be travelling to Idaho for my first western bowhunt)!
Post by: LongStick64 on August 24, 2014, 11:24:00 AM
Post by: ron w on August 24, 2014, 11:34:00 AM
Post by: ScouterMike on August 24, 2014, 02:31:00 PM
I do stay pretty much permanent on Turay's list also, its just easier that way. Should be seeing another Shelton sometime this fall.
Bows are an investment, right?
Post by: WESTBROOK on August 24, 2014, 03:13:00 PM
Mike, yes they are :thumbsup: A good one or bad one? :dunno:
Post by: ron w on August 24, 2014, 03:22:00 PM
Post by: Centex on August 24, 2014, 04:10:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 24, 2014, 04:19:00 PM
heck, i freely admit to have been shooting it more than my sparrowhawk! heresy!! :scared: :campfire:
Post by: ron w on August 24, 2014, 04:27:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 24, 2014, 04:30:00 PM
but dang, this 7lakes is just SO special ...
Post by: WESTBROOK on August 24, 2014, 04:44:00 PM
Post by: ScouterMike on August 24, 2014, 04:56:00 PM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:Yes Rob there is hope for you, welcome to life beyond r/d. I really want to try a Seven Lakes with the string follow limb profile..
for a hill style afl, the 7lakes that mike just made for me is SOOOO nice. it's got action boo limbs sandwiched with black glass, and a slightly induced string follow. for me, it's all about the limbs for function. the grip is all about the process, and i rasped and sanded mine just right.
heck, i freely admit to have been shooting it more than my sparrowhawk!
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 24, 2014, 05:10:00 PM
Post by: ScouterMike on August 24, 2014, 05:33:00 PM
I started archery about '73 and by then it was all recurves with compounds soon to go mainstream. It was the '90s before I got my hands on a hill style bow. So much wasted time, but then again I would not trade all those years with a Shakespeare target recurve and then a Martin Hunter. They were/are great bows.
Post by: toddster on August 25, 2014, 08:01:00 PM
Post by: TexasKing on August 25, 2014, 09:05:00 PM
I am expecting my Jet Wolverine to be delivered tomorrow, AND My long awaited Miller Old Tom is about a week behind it! Life is very good!
Post by: ron w on August 25, 2014, 09:08:00 PM
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Post by: Mudd on August 30, 2014, 04:57:00 AM
It looks like another fine piece of Chuck's work that I'm betting will be difficult to pry out of your hands.
:archer:
PS: Just so everyone knows, I've already tried to talk about a possible trade for this one and was shut down immediately...lol
Post by: Bluegoose on August 30, 2014, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: Green on August 30, 2014, 07:04:00 PM
Bluegoose - Looking forward to seeing this one in your hands!
Post by: soap creek on August 30, 2014, 08:28:00 PM
Post by: ron w on August 30, 2014, 08:38:00 PM
Post by: Centex on August 30, 2014, 09:33:00 PM
Post by: TxAg on August 30, 2014, 10:22:00 PM
I know a few of yall shoot NM Classics...what brace height do you like? I heard they are a bit higher than normal.
Post by: Bluegoose on August 31, 2014, 12:12:00 AM
Post by: soap creek on August 31, 2014, 07:33:00 AM
Post by: Centex on August 31, 2014, 10:42:00 AM
Post by: TexasKing on August 31, 2014, 05:51:00 PM
My NM Classic shoots great at 6 1/4, anything less I get a little more smack than I like..but shoots the same down to 5 7/8
Did you get a new addition?
Post by: WESTBROOK on August 31, 2014, 06:26:00 PM
Post by: TxAg on August 31, 2014, 08:41:00 PM
I will try it at 6 and go from there. I had it at 6 3/4 based on some other recommendations but I'm not happy with it there and tinkered a 1/4" up and down....need to try a little lower sounds like.
Post by: Bluegoose on August 31, 2014, 10:18:00 PM
BTW, I ate chicken Thursday how about you!
Post by: TxAg on August 31, 2014, 10:51:00 PM
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Post by: Mudd on September 01, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
:archer:
Post by: soap creek on September 01, 2014, 01:29:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 01, 2014, 02:27:00 PM
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Originally posted by Mudd:Or get back on! Whichever, but we'll have no more of that! :nono:
Pavan....get off the meds buddy!!!....lol
:archer:
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Post by: Vesty on September 03, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
Post by: 2treks on September 03, 2014, 11:15:00 AM
I am happy you, A fellow Michiganiac, got it done and wish you the best of luck this fall. Keep me updated on your hunts.
BTW, I just sprayed two more Echos, one with Some pretty fantastic veneers. Stay tuned for pics.
Post by: Vesty on September 03, 2014, 11:58:00 AM
Post by: ScouterMike on September 03, 2014, 12:08:00 PM
The Echo is a great bow. I am sure the one I have ordered will be as smooth as the one I have been shooting this summer. Walnut limb cores anyone? Once you try them, you just can not stop with one bow.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 03, 2014, 01:09:00 PM
Post by: 2treks on September 03, 2014, 01:19:00 PM
(and your patience are outstanding! Thank you)
Ron, 600gns will be sweet from that bow I bet(was it 51#?)
Thanks Ron and Mike. Grip Stitching time.
Post by: Vesty on September 03, 2014, 01:47:00 PM
Post by: cmh on September 03, 2014, 02:10:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on September 08, 2014, 07:01:00 PM
Finished my elk bow and leave soon for CO with Homebru and a couple other friends! We had several close encounters last yr and hope to have some more as the aspen turn gold.
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 08, 2014, 07:16:00 PM
Post by: two4hooking on September 09, 2014, 07:53:00 AM
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/20140906_074557_resized_zpsba051d86.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/20140906_074557_resized_zpsba051d86.jpg.html)
Post by: Jacquesbonin on September 09, 2014, 11:11:00 AM
Post by: mike g on September 09, 2014, 06:31:00 PM
How many here have that combo....?
Post by: Overspined on September 09, 2014, 09:33:00 PM
Black belly
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/DSCN1798.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/DSCN1798.jpg.html)
Post by: mike g on September 09, 2014, 11:15:00 PM
The Grey and White would be 3D only....
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 10, 2014, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: mike g on September 10, 2014, 09:15:00 AM
Maybe by the time I get the funds he will have Grey again....
If not plan B.
Post by: typical2 on September 11, 2014, 06:31:00 PM
It is black glass with a 12" black and white ebony riser. 12" doesn't show much of this beautiful wood so I added some overlays. I called it Mephitis which is the genus and species name for the black and white common skunk. Hopefully I get the skunk off this bow EARLY! It is a thick stack (.670"),narrow(just over an inch at fades and .400" at tips). At 69" it came in at 58@28.
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140911_163135_329_zps4hc8xahz.jpg) (http://s1072.photobucket.com/user/typical2/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140911_163135_329_zps4hc8xahz.jpg.html)
Post by: typical2 on September 11, 2014, 06:35:00 PM
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140911_162931_666_zps7tkrajys.jpg) (http://s1072.photobucket.com/user/typical2/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140911_162931_666_zps7tkrajys.jpg.html)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140911_162940_420_zps9z057rni.jpg) (http://s1072.photobucket.com/user/typical2/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140911_162940_420_zps9z057rni.jpg.html)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140911_162957_289_zpsge3pboww.jpg) (http://s1072.photobucket.com/user/typical2/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140911_162957_289_zpsge3pboww.jpg.html)
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 11, 2014, 06:36:00 PM
I'd like to get a good look at that one. :thumbsup:
Post by: typical2 on September 11, 2014, 06:37:00 PM
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140911_163050_172_zpsknxwjw0t.jpg) (http://s1072.photobucket.com/user/typical2/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140911_163050_172_zpsknxwjw0t.jpg.html)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141011_033552_357_zps4rt4oqas.jpg) (http://s1072.photobucket.com/user/typical2/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141011_033552_357_zps4rt4oqas.jpg.html)
Post by: typical2 on September 11, 2014, 06:47:00 PM
If I ever cut a shelf on the wrong side and leave the grip the size of a 2x4 i'll let you have it. :)
Post by: bicster on September 11, 2014, 07:28:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 11, 2014, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: MikeNova on September 11, 2014, 07:57:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 11, 2014, 08:42:00 PM
That IS a stack of Boo..
Beauty...Real nice work
Post by: ScouterMike on September 11, 2014, 08:54:00 PM
Post by: typical2 on September 11, 2014, 09:13:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by ScouterMike:I draw it up with straight lines from fades to nock. I draw it wider at the tips though(.600) then skinny up the tips and blend that in to about the mid limb point. So...it is somewhat close to parabolic I suppose. Can't tell to look at though. I think that being wider at mid limb helps the bow to be more stable.
Beautiful bow, what limb profile did you use?
Post by: Overspined on September 12, 2014, 04:05:00 AM
Post by: Green on September 12, 2014, 06:04:00 AM
Post by: 2treks on September 12, 2014, 08:22:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on September 12, 2014, 08:56:00 AM
:archer:
Post by: Rob DiStefano on September 13, 2014, 04:07:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by typical2:
Here is the bow I built for this fall.
It is black glass with a 12" black and white ebony riser. 12" doesn't show much of this beautiful wood so I added some overlays. I called it Mephitis which is the genus and species name for the black and white common skunk. Hopefully I get the skunk off this bow EARLY! It is a thick stack (.670"),narrow(just over an inch at fades and .400" at tips). At 69" it came in at 58@28.
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140911_163135_329_zps4hc8xahz.jpg) (http://s1072.photobucket.com/user/typical2/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140911_163135_329_zps4hc8xahz.jpg.html)
Post by: kestimator on September 13, 2014, 10:53:00 PM
Post by: typical2 on September 15, 2014, 10:10:00 PM
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20140915_212630_594_zpsbh6sfdxb.jpg) (http://s1072.photobucket.com/user/typical2/media/IMG_20140915_212630_594_zpsbh6sfdxb.jpg.html)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20140915_212704_392_zpsoyvk9mx0.jpg) (http://s1072.photobucket.com/user/typical2/media/IMG_20140915_212704_392_zpsoyvk9mx0.jpg.html)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20140915_212811_736_zps7tbl852j.jpg) (http://s1072.photobucket.com/user/typical2/media/IMG_20140915_212811_736_zps7tbl852j.jpg.html)
The pecky etimoe veneer on this thing is sweet.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 16, 2014, 10:50:00 AM
Post by: typical2 on September 16, 2014, 11:33:00 AM
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20140413_124652_331_zpslr1wcdjf.jpg) (http://s1072.photobucket.com/user/typical2/media/IMG_20140413_124652_331_zpslr1wcdjf.jpg.html)
Post by: tg2nd on September 16, 2014, 11:43:00 AM
Post by: WarDancer on September 16, 2014, 11:50:00 AM
please, no buying-selling-trading anywhere but the classifieds.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 16, 2014, 01:08:00 PM
Post by: typical2 on September 16, 2014, 01:51:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on September 16, 2014, 06:53:00 PM
Post by: ron w on September 16, 2014, 07:44:00 PM
Post by: on September 16, 2014, 09:34:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on September 16, 2014, 11:58:00 PM
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Mudd on September 17, 2014, 12:00:00 AM
Post by: Green on September 17, 2014, 04:50:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 17, 2014, 07:06:00 AM
Post by: Hermon on September 17, 2014, 08:39:00 AM
Post by: JDBerry on September 17, 2014, 09:19:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on September 17, 2014, 09:30:00 AM
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=139797;p=1#000006
Post by: mike g on September 19, 2014, 02:54:00 PM
Anyone have pictures of your Bow with Caramelized Boo....
Post by: MikeNova on September 19, 2014, 08:53:00 PM
Post by: centaur on September 19, 2014, 09:49:00 PM
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/P1030484.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/P1030484.jpg.html)
Post by: Jacquesbonin on September 20, 2014, 12:00:00 AM
Post by: mike g on September 20, 2014, 10:16:00 AM
Nice Bow and Buck..
Post by: CHENRYIV on September 20, 2014, 05:09:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 21, 2014, 11:32:00 PM
http://youtu.be/f618iJT-hzE
Post by: Mudd on September 22, 2014, 01:17:00 AM
Thank you!
:archer:
PS: I am hoping that I'll get to try one of Mr Berry's dual-flex bows in the not too distant future.
Post by: ron w on September 22, 2014, 07:11:00 PM
Post by: Bob B. on September 22, 2014, 08:30:00 PM
Bob.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 22, 2014, 08:47:00 PM
Post by: Dan bree on September 23, 2014, 12:36:00 PM
Post by: Dan bree on September 23, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
Post by: wisconsin wood butcher on September 25, 2014, 06:24:00 PM
Post by: wisconsin wood butcher on September 25, 2014, 09:35:00 PM
Post by: mike g on September 26, 2014, 11:09:00 AM
Post by: wisconsin wood butcher on September 26, 2014, 08:59:00 PM
Post by: mike g on September 27, 2014, 07:37:00 PM
How many here are waiting on a Bow from HHA....?
Post by: Mudd on September 29, 2014, 06:03:00 PM
Mostly Hill style longbows.
Thank you Soap Creek!
I enjoyed you and your lovely wife's comapny.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo2_zps406ee969.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo2_zps406ee969.jpg.html)
God bless,Mudd
Post by: soap creek on September 29, 2014, 06:31:00 PM
Had a good visit buddy.
Gods speed
Greg
Post by: 2treks on September 29, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
Post by: Caboo on September 29, 2014, 09:57:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on September 29, 2014, 10:27:00 PM
He's shooting my Northern Mist Sheldon.
We also were shooting Mr Berry's Northstar and Vixen.
Greg will have to identify the bow on the barrel since I can't remember the name.
I do remember it was 60" and 48@28 and a nice little bow.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 29, 2014, 11:01:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 30, 2014, 04:28:00 AM
Post by: soap creek on September 30, 2014, 07:07:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 01, 2014, 11:03:00 PM
Initially I'd named her "Second", but somehow that name just didn't fit such a beautiful bow. However after some thought and much handling I decided that the name "Foxy" fit much better. So here she is.
I took off the original arrow plate and replaced it with one that covers more area for when I'm sloppy about getting the arrow on the bow.
Not my best application, but it works.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/jdberry1.jpg)
The handle from the back side showing a little of the brown glass.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/jdberry2.jpg)
Here's one showing the fiddleback pattern of the Myrtle... gorgeous!
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/jdberry3.jpg)
Specs
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/jdberry4.jpg)
Someone needs to talk to the man about his penmanship.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/jdberry5.jpg)
Long lean and beautiful
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/jdberry6.jpg)
Well, I screwed up the orientation of the photos. But it is what it is. My bad.
Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 01, 2014, 11:07:00 PM
It's with me in the woods this year.
You can also see a white line around the grip. That's the remains of paste wax. I just gotta shine a great bow and make it glisten.
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 02, 2014, 09:56:00 AM
1) Smooth
2) good speed (I know, I'm not looking to shoot lasers but I like a flat arrow out to around 20 meters or so)
3) Good price - used is an option but even still a used bow cam still be pricey
4) good for begining/learning hill style bows
I'm considering a montana, but id like to maybe avoid factory churn out if I can. So any good starting points?
Post by: Centex on October 02, 2014, 10:26:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 02, 2014, 11:20:00 AM
I'd forgotten just how sweet yew is. James puts it to it's best use and of course it just can't be beat for looks.
Cavscout... Yes, this thread is 155 pages and worth every minute it takes to read, but if you go to the top of the page you'll see the first chapter of this thread. I'm not sure you'll find any other resource with as much information as these two threads.
For a starter that is made just for you I doubt you'll find a better deal than Howard Hill Archery.
They have many options, are easily contacted for collaberation on your bow, their prices are as reasonable as anyone and their turn around time is fantastic so you can be shooting your own longbow in a reasonably short amount of time.
If you've got more time then you can't do better than J.D.Berry as shown above. You'll find he has a very loyal following...for good reason.
Any other questions you might have just tap into this resource for a lot of no nonsense advice.
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 02, 2014, 12:52:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on October 02, 2014, 04:29:00 PM
The new name sure fits for such an elegant but deadly piece of handiwork of Mr Berry's.
I look forward to some "hero" shots as this season progresses.
Thanks for sharing....not only your photos but a small tidbit of your vast knowledge.
The advice you gave is about as sound as granite.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: centaur on October 02, 2014, 04:37:00 PM
I gotta ask; as an old Cav Trooper myself, are you stationed at Ft. Rucker? I spent some time there a 'few' years ago.
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 02, 2014, 05:56:00 PM
Post by: centaur on October 02, 2014, 06:31:00 PM
Post by: ChiefStingingArrow on October 02, 2014, 10:17:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 03, 2014, 09:41:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on October 03, 2014, 10:54:00 AM
You have no idea just how true your statement is.
I wish this information had been available when I started my search for the bow that "did it!" for me.
I bought and sold more bows than I care to admit before either by accident or by fate I purchased my 1st Hill bow(Big 5)used from a young man from Montana.
The moment I put my hand to it I knew immediately that this was the style of bow for me.
There are variations within the style and there are variations in bows of the same style,name, and woods.
I found that for me every bow had it's own personality(if that's what it can be called)and I love that about them as well.
Something so simple and yet so intricate. They certainly aren't complicated and yet they are....I'm not a wordsmith so I leave it here and wish you all the best in finding your way in determining how they will fit for you.
When I put my hand to a bow it had better transport me to "Sherwood" or it won't be at "Casa De Mudd" any longer than it takes to find it a new home.
Good luck and God bless,Mudd
Post by: ChiefStingingArrow on October 03, 2014, 10:54:00 AM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 03, 2014, 08:51:00 PM
Post by: Blaino on October 03, 2014, 10:16:00 PM
Post by: centaur on October 04, 2014, 07:16:00 AM
If your Berry is anything like mine, you will have started out at the top of the ASLs. James makes a great bow, and you won't be disappointed. Your drawlength may well shrink, and as Blaino stated, ASLs are different from other bows, so enjoy that differenece.
Congrats on entering into the realm of ASLs; it is a disease that once contracted, can't be cured. As should be obvious by the number of posts on this thread (and the previous HH thread), these bows are addictive. Have fun, and post pictures!
"If you ain't Cav, you ain't…well, you know the rest.
Post by: Green on October 04, 2014, 07:23:00 AM
Post by: ChiefStingingArrow on October 04, 2014, 08:01:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on October 04, 2014, 09:47:00 AM
Curious minds want to know...lol
God bless,Mudd
PS: Yes, of course there will be photos required once you have it in hand.
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 04, 2014, 10:58:00 AM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 04, 2014, 10:59:00 AM
Post by: Sam McMichael on October 04, 2014, 11:30:00 AM
Post by: Green on October 04, 2014, 04:22:00 PM
Post by: mcbowguy on October 04, 2014, 06:24:00 PM
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/1149cc14c07353d18046ab455179b9c0?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/02f484f5b384a364f544642ef6869377?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/b2517bae0998d92394d20b49cf0440bf?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/3b4f9ffb1da8f44b5da17b7fe896405c?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 04, 2014, 07:19:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 04, 2014, 07:22:00 PM
You are going to find that vixen takes you to a new level of fun and enjoyment in your archery. Just an absolute pleasure of a bow. hands down the vixen is the bow that sold me on ASL's, the Morningstar showed me perfection and literally shaped my archery preference to forward risers, on all designs to include r/d, hybrid, and recurred.
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 04, 2014, 08:07:00 PM
Mcbowguy- that is a great looking bow, I can see the love that went into it!
Post by: Cecil on October 04, 2014, 08:37:00 PM
Post by: ron w on October 04, 2014, 08:43:00 PM
Post by: mcbowguy on October 04, 2014, 08:51:00 PM
Post by: shick on October 05, 2014, 06:09:00 AM
Shick
Post by: soap creek on October 05, 2014, 10:05:00 AM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 06, 2014, 07:26:00 PM
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah128/cavscout9753/4FA70E8F-70F2-42B9-A121-98915AFB3FCE_zpslrxahcra.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/cavscout9753/media/4FA70E8F-70F2-42B9-A121-98915AFB3FCE_zpslrxahcra.jpg.html)
So, as some know I started with recurves, then found R/D longbows, and always was afraid of the HH style bows. Dunno, just seemed like something the "old timey masters" used and was beyond my ability. But when she arrived today it wasn't intimidation that I felt holding her the first time, more like excitement. I wish I could tell you "I strung her up and we were hitting where we were lookin'", but alas she didn't give up the prize so easy. First, the push pull method was a learning curve. Whew! But I got the hang of it. Luckily I ran my doug firs through the spine calculator and it came out 54 to 54.1. Though I did have to raise the brace up a but from where brian had it. In the end I think I will add some point weight to get it perfect but flight was good on the shots I managed to control my form. Being 50# @ 27" it was a small bump in weight for me but a totally new grip. With the shaped grip on my curves or R/D, the bow settles into draw. With the Vixen it is "go" right out the gate, but I can see and feel the advantage of it. Torque was also an issue at first as I was grilling the handle as if it were a venomous snakes neck. Again, a little intimidating to me at first. Once I got how to keep just my fingers controlling the back of the bow grip things went easier. I definitely felt how snap shooting comes to be - some shots, when I got to anchor it just went - poof! Haha. I still have some tweaking to do, but first will come my form. I will break my body of its old ways and re-teach it the hill bow ways. One thing, Brian was absolutely correct, this Vixen is mild mannered to the core. No jumping, no odd humps in the draw, no weird post-shot rocking or kicking, just like cutting butter with a draw. I will contribute more down the road as I fully understand that a guy who has shot one hill bow for 2 hours of his life doesn't get to make too many claims, haha. Thank you all for your posts of wisdom and if you get a chance to "chat" with Brianlocal3, take it. A+ type fella.
Post by: Green on October 06, 2014, 07:37:00 PM
Post by: JDBerry on October 06, 2014, 08:14:00 PM
ps Never ever let Brain or Green know that you like them, its in your interest, belive me! ..OE
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 06, 2014, 08:27:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 06, 2014, 08:42:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 06, 2014, 08:57:00 PM
Post by: JDBerry on October 06, 2014, 09:36:00 PM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 07, 2014, 12:04:00 AM
I skidded her out to the location where I took the picture which explains the dirt. If I had known the tongue was sticking out I'd have fixed it... I hate that. I'll have to blame the camera person... my wife.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/2014doen1.jpg)
Post by: Mudd on October 07, 2014, 12:09:00 AM
I love the camo!!
:archer:
Post by: Green on October 07, 2014, 03:04:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 07, 2014, 06:50:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 07, 2014, 09:04:00 AM
;)
Post by: Blaino on October 07, 2014, 09:20:00 AM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 07, 2014, 09:46:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 07, 2014, 09:53:00 AM
Post by: mike g on October 07, 2014, 10:21:00 AM
From order to delivery 15 days....
66" 45@29" Caramelized Boo with locust Riser.
She is called Ambi, I plan on shootin her from both sides....
Taking her to the local indoor range today to try her out....
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 07, 2014, 10:29:00 AM
http://youtu.be/T4kIpsoi6oY
John Shultz video
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 07, 2014, 10:30:00 AM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 07, 2014, 11:17:00 AM
Post by: JDBerry on October 07, 2014, 06:41:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 07, 2014, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: ny state land on October 07, 2014, 09:44:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 07, 2014, 10:04:00 PM
Post by: CHENRYIV on October 07, 2014, 10:05:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 11, 2014, 09:37:00 PM
of ASL bows. Taking the Vixen to the woods monday morning but i'll have to keep my shots below 18 yards as currently that is my limit of comfort. Another couple of weeks and I should be at my usual 20-25 yard bubble.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 12, 2014, 09:10:00 AM
Post by: jwhitetail on October 12, 2014, 11:13:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 14, 2014, 07:32:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/Morningstar/91A20B1B-5560-4BB0-AAAE-392CE04C9844_zpsjrous7je.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/Morningstar/91A20B1B-5560-4BB0-AAAE-392CE04C9844_zpsjrous7je.jpg.html)
Post by: Green on October 14, 2014, 08:04:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 15, 2014, 08:40:00 AM
Post by: CHENRYIV on October 18, 2014, 05:19:00 PM
(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/2014%20Trad%20Season/98EED89C-E886-473C-9562-5CEDB5DCBA04_zpsbhchryuq.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/2014%20Trad%20Season/98EED89C-E886-473C-9562-5CEDB5DCBA04_zpsbhchryuq.jpg.html)
Post by: Green on October 18, 2014, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: ron w on October 18, 2014, 06:08:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Green:Indeed!!! :thumbsup: :notworthy:
Very well done, Mr. Henry!
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 18, 2014, 06:35:00 PM
I thought you killed off all the deer last year...
Post by: JDBerry on October 18, 2014, 08:19:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 18, 2014, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 18, 2014, 08:31:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 18, 2014, 08:33:00 PM
Post by: Stump Buster on October 18, 2014, 08:36:00 PM
Oh yeah... I'd love to hear the story behind the pic too!
Stump
Post by: Mudd on October 18, 2014, 10:16:00 PM
Post by: Blaino on October 18, 2014, 10:16:00 PM
Post by: T-Bowhunter on October 19, 2014, 06:46:00 AM
Post by: Mud_Slide_Slim on October 19, 2014, 08:03:00 AM
Post by: ScouterMike on October 19, 2014, 08:35:00 AM
Post by: typical2 on October 19, 2014, 09:45:00 PM
Post by: cahaba on October 19, 2014, 09:55:00 PM
Post by: dhermon85 on October 19, 2014, 10:01:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 19, 2014, 10:02:00 PM
cant wait to hear about this one..
Post by: typical2 on October 19, 2014, 10:03:00 PM
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141019_191511_439_zpsyzpv6s86.jpg) (http://s1072.photobucket.com/user/typical2/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141019_191511_439_zpsyzpv6s86.jpg.html)
Post by: typical2 on October 19, 2014, 10:09:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 19, 2014, 10:37:00 PM
Well done Eric :thumbsup:
Post by: ron w on October 19, 2014, 10:45:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on October 20, 2014, 12:04:00 AM
Post by: Stump Buster on October 20, 2014, 12:59:00 AM
Post by: Green on October 20, 2014, 04:53:00 AM
Post by: frank bullitt on October 20, 2014, 07:09:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 20, 2014, 07:10:00 AM
Post by: Overspined on October 20, 2014, 10:43:00 AM
Post by: typical2 on October 20, 2014, 05:08:00 PM
Here is a video of the bloodhounds tracking the deer. If it works...
http://s1072.photobucket.com/user/typical2/media/Mobile%20Uploads/VID_20141019_192517_706_zpstgfea9ev.mp4.html
Post by: Bob B. on October 20, 2014, 07:35:00 PM
Super job with your kids!
Bob.
Post by: Okie man on October 20, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
Post by: centaur on October 20, 2014, 09:50:00 PM
Post by: CHENRYIV on October 20, 2014, 10:07:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on October 20, 2014, 11:17:00 PM
God bless,Mudd
Post by: cahaba on October 21, 2014, 12:57:00 AM
Post by: toddster on October 23, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 23, 2014, 10:45:00 AM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/Morningstar/C2F82C50-060F-474C-BD12-BD13431E69E7_zpsw3029tvr.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/Morningstar/C2F82C50-060F-474C-BD12-BD13431E69E7_zpsw3029tvr.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/Morningstar/61620FBC-FDE7-4953-AEAE-EA369E4CD5DD_zps17qugfzk.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/Morningstar/61620FBC-FDE7-4953-AEAE-EA369E4CD5DD_zps17qugfzk.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/Morningstar/BA447B88-C560-4107-AFFD-F16B4F800DF5_zpszpcb4a5m.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/Morningstar/BA447B88-C560-4107-AFFD-F16B4F800DF5_zpszpcb4a5m.jpg.html)
These arrows are flying great as are my Simmons tipped western larchs
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 23, 2014, 10:47:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on October 23, 2014, 01:20:00 PM
Here's a short video of the 1st arrow out of my "new-to-me" Howard Hill "Halfbreed 68" and 44@28 by my scales.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/th_IMG_0131_zps4b5891f2.mp4) (http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/IMG_0131_zps4b5891f2.mp4)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo1_zpsfc1d6d06.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo1_zpsfc1d6d06.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo2_zps9f40a499.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo2_zps9f40a499.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo3_zps37af2b89.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo3_zps37af2b89.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/photo4_zpsc807f1e1.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/photo4_zpsc807f1e1.jpg.html)
Thanks for looking.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 23, 2014, 01:30:00 PM
It's a pretty one that's for sure
Post by: Mudd on October 23, 2014, 03:02:00 PM
It shoots sweet but once you're truly hooked on Mr Berry's bows... well you're just about ruined...lol
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 23, 2014, 03:25:00 PM
Post by: Butch Speer on October 23, 2014, 04:52:00 PM
How come you didn't show the target? Saw you reach for the camera & that was it.
Post by: Mudd on October 23, 2014, 05:20:00 PM
Take a look for yourself and you'll see what I mean.
The 1st group out of the new-to-me "Half Breed"
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Halfbreed1stgrouping_zps29205dc0.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Halfbreed1stgrouping_zps29205dc0.jpg.html)
About 15 yards.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Butch Speer on October 23, 2014, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: pokeanhope on October 23, 2014, 07:42:00 PM
Post by: JDBerry on October 23, 2014, 09:55:00 PM
Post by: mcbowguy on October 24, 2014, 03:58:00 AM
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/9da02c7b8cf2e8be5cfaeeade4d1baf8?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/d8abb35199de69c6ba70ac0f3a2724b1?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/4710d6ee05fc001f4bfb35540447c536?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/022b67d1d646c3fab82a0ababb93cb23?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/640669c635084370205096dd2a813af0?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
Post by: Mudd on October 24, 2014, 07:52:00 AM
Thanks for sharing!!
:archer:
Post by: Okie man on October 24, 2014, 08:25:00 AM
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Post by: Stone Knife on October 24, 2014, 03:00:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 24, 2014, 04:07:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 25, 2014, 09:53:00 PM
Shows the JD Berry MorningStar very well enjoy
http://youtu.be/mFkWDoy_sHE
I'm hoping to put up hero shot this week
Post by: Mudd on October 25, 2014, 10:01:00 PM
Thanks for sharing.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: pokeanhope on October 26, 2014, 09:13:00 AM
Post by: Tradcat on October 26, 2014, 12:22:00 PM
Post by: pokeanhope on October 26, 2014, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 26, 2014, 05:23:00 PM
Is it uploaded to YouTube!
Post by: pokeanhope on October 26, 2014, 10:31:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 26, 2014, 10:34:00 PM
You make it? Specs?
It's a pretty one that's for sure!!! Like to see some strung and unstrung profiles too!!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 26, 2014, 10:35:00 PM
Sent from my iPhone
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 26, 2014, 10:36:00 PM
Post by: pokeanhope on October 26, 2014, 10:41:00 PM
Post by: cmh on October 27, 2014, 07:27:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 27, 2014, 07:49:00 AM
Post by: cmh on October 27, 2014, 08:09:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 27, 2014, 05:02:00 PM
http://youtu.be/URgaBGTHPkA
Post by: Cavscout9753 on October 27, 2014, 08:58:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on October 29, 2014, 10:14:00 AM
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/Arquilla%20Creek%20Archery/167E1C5C-9F19-4809-9A6C-AE615D543099.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/Arquilla%20Creek%20Archery/167E1C5C-9F19-4809-9A6C-AE615D543099.jpg.html)
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/Arquilla%20Creek%20Archery/B02DC44D-8D39-4EE6-AFC9-762DE063DD70.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/Arquilla%20Creek%20Archery/B02DC44D-8D39-4EE6-AFC9-762DE063DD70.jpg.html)
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/Arquilla%20Creek%20Archery/EE0BEC83-4855-45B2-913F-CEAB8452AC8F.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/Arquilla%20Creek%20Archery/EE0BEC83-4855-45B2-913F-CEAB8452AC8F.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 29, 2014, 10:32:00 AM
That is beautiful
Post by: Mudd on October 29, 2014, 10:43:00 AM
I bet that dude is lighter than a goose feather in your hand.
I know one of my lightest in the hand bows is my "Dave Johnson" which also uses Eastern Red Cedar.
:archer:
Post by: Overspined on October 29, 2014, 02:20:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 29, 2014, 04:40:00 PM
The lightest mass weight longbows I've had are the Cedar limb'd bows made by Dave Johnson. Love the cast and smoothness he and that Cedar make together.
Post by: cmh on October 29, 2014, 05:48:00 PM
QUOTE]Originally posted by Overspined:
Finished a couple ASL's and thought this was a little different. Aromatic cedar. I have some really knotty stuff and used clear cedar for the cores. I thought it might come in light but hangs with bamboo and walnut cores, which I like to use too. I traded some myrtle for zircote with Typical 2 and put some on this bow. Almost black.
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/Arquilla%20Creek%20Archery/167E1C5C-9F19-4809-9A6C-AE615D543099.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/Arquilla%20Creek%20Archery/167E1C5C-9F19-4809-9A6C-AE615D543099.jpg.html)
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/Arquilla%20Creek%20Archery/B02DC44D-8D39-4EE6-AFC9-762DE063DD70.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/Arquilla%20Creek%20Archery/B02DC44D-8D39-4EE6-AFC9-762DE063DD70.jpg.html)
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/Arquilla%20Creek%20Archery/EE0BEC83-4855-45B2-913F-CEAB8452AC8F.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/Arquilla%20Creek%20Archery/EE0BEC83-4855-45B2-913F-CEAB8452AC8F.jpg.html) [/QUOTE]
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 29, 2014, 07:23:00 PM
Post by: typical2 on October 29, 2014, 08:09:00 PM
That is......ok...... :biglaugh:
Post by: Homebru on October 29, 2014, 09:29:00 PM
homebru
Post by: Overspined on October 30, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-10/191BB944-445D-4F20-832D-D04A26F97903.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-10/191BB944-445D-4F20-832D-D04A26F97903.jpg.html)
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-10/C19578BB-EAEB-4450-80E1-716D17E96484.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-10/C19578BB-EAEB-4450-80E1-716D17E96484.jpg.html)
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-10/DF7E152D-DD86-4FF6-BA8B-0D62027C339E.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-10/DF7E152D-DD86-4FF6-BA8B-0D62027C339E.jpg.html)
Post by: toddster on October 31, 2014, 07:19:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 31, 2014, 09:06:00 AM
Post by: ChiefStingingArrow on October 31, 2014, 10:58:00 AM
Post by: Overspined on October 31, 2014, 09:27:00 PM
Post by: cmh on October 31, 2014, 10:48:00 PM
Post by: Sirius Black on November 01, 2014, 10:23:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 01, 2014, 12:23:00 PM
Post by: typical2 on November 02, 2014, 07:07:00 PM
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20141101_182017_960_zpsxxa3kuo3.jpg) (http://s1072.photobucket.com/user/typical2/media/IMG_20141101_182017_960_zpsxxa3kuo3.jpg.html)
I call this stand the "Femoral Artery" stand (FA stand) because a friend shot a doe in the back leg there and the thing ran 60yds and piled up.
Well...it took me a while to get the second stand positioned. The strap had pine sap in the strap from the last tree it was in. 10 minutes in I finally chewed and sucked on the strap and got it to tighten. Put an arrow on my bow and hung it up. I took a couple of pictures and while taking the second pic I had 4 deer run by me at high speed. I couldn't even get the bow in my hand. They stopped about 40 yards past me, up wind, and turned around to look my way. I thought they had winded me or my brother and freaked out. I felt pinned down and couldn't reach for my bow. Less than a minute later I heard a grunt. I couldn't figure out where it came from but I soon found out. A deer came trotting from where the does come from. It was a buck and a good one. He was already within 40 yards. I fumbled to grab my bow and get the arrow holder off as he headed to my left. He then changed direction and came right by my stand at 10 yards. I tried to stop him by grunting at him but that barely slowed him down. I drew and swung on him and just before I released the arrow I hit the tree with my elbow. This pushed my arrow back and it hit in front of the back legs. As he ran I could see the arrow sticking out the other side. I thought paunch hit and felt sick. He ran off and stopped and stood about 100 yards away. He stayed there for 15 minutes. Then I lost him. I looked down to text my buddies and then he was gone. I slipped out at dark and waited until this morning to track him. It was a rough night but the one thing I was thinking was why did that arrow not pass all the way through. Maybe I hit more than just guts.
Expecting a long day of searching my brother and I walked down the pipeline I was hunting off of and 1 minute into it I stumbled over what looked like a rock on the edge of a small pond. It was the buck. So nice when caution pays off. This is my nicest buck to date with any weapon.
And yes...I caught the femoral artery. Shot a trotting deer that I would have had no chance at with a wheel bow. Shot with a Hill style I made this summer.
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w364/typical2/IMG_20141102_134748_516_zpsatucrpvg.jpg) (http://s1072.photobucket.com/user/typical2/media/IMG_20141102_134748_516_zpsatucrpvg.jpg.html)
Post by: WESTBROOK on November 02, 2014, 07:17:00 PM
Dandy Buck Eric :thumbsup:
Post by: typical2 on November 02, 2014, 07:33:00 PM
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Post by: ny state land on November 02, 2014, 07:55:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 02, 2014, 08:17:00 PM
Great bow you built, both of you'
Post by: Overspined on November 02, 2014, 09:15:00 PM
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/B6055E78-C939-4FC5-AA89-B7292EA3F0E0.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/B6055E78-C939-4FC5-AA89-B7292EA3F0E0.jpg.html)
Post by: Bob B. on November 02, 2014, 09:36:00 PM
The arrow past through part of the shoulder blade, through both lungs and liver and out through the last rib on the off side. The deer died in about 50 yards, just under maybe 10 seconds. I was hunting with my buddy Notso from this site. He took a 5 pointer this morning also. I hope he will post his deer latter on.
It is still such a rush to shoot a deer so close - eye to eye and be able to draw on them without being seen. Trad gear on the ground is the best!
(http://i.imgur.com/mPuytCk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WH23pDg.jpg)
Bob.
Post by: typical2 on November 02, 2014, 09:55:00 PM
Eric
Post by: far rider on November 02, 2014, 10:03:00 PM
Tim
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 02, 2014, 10:07:00 PM
Way to get it done!
Post by: Green on November 03, 2014, 04:32:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on November 04, 2014, 01:49:00 AM
You did yourself and Mr Berry proud.
:archer:
Post by: JDBerry on November 04, 2014, 09:52:00 AM
Post by: Green on November 04, 2014, 04:09:00 PM
I am always impressed with the butter smoothness of his bamboo limb designs and this one is no exception....even with about 5/8" of backset. I was rather disappointed in that it took me a whole 5 arrows to get the dang'd thing tuned, but sometimes these bowyers make us work for our supper. :D
Myrtle riser with white wedges and unknown wood for the elegant encasements. The grip is a perfect 2" X 1" before the leather, and has just a hint of a flat belly such as his reverse handled bows do. The bow rests perfectly in the hand each and every shot. Specs: 68"....48#@28".
Thank you my friend for a truly wonderful bow!
Slideshow
http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/slideshow/JD%20Berry%20Vixen?sort=6
Post by: Bob B. on November 04, 2014, 04:54:00 PM
Bob.
Post by: ron w on November 04, 2014, 05:23:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 04, 2014, 05:59:00 PM
Oh how do you choose!!
Post by: centaur on November 04, 2014, 06:48:00 PM
Brian, white bellies are cool. And your taste is perfect if you add the brown back.
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/22424986-6bd7-4011-bd10-2f99d603a838_zps1c22df96.jpg)[/URL
[URL=http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_0114_zps65b201e5.jpg.html] (http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_0114_zps65b201e5.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/22424986-6bd7-4011-bd10-2f99d603a838_zps1c22df96.jpg.html)
Post by: Green on November 04, 2014, 07:03:00 PM
Post by: centaur on November 04, 2014, 07:10:00 PM
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_0222_zpsb4d7ddad.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_0222_zpsb4d7ddad.jpg.html)
Post by: JDBerry on November 04, 2014, 07:11:00 PM
Post by: JDBerry on November 04, 2014, 07:17:00 PM
Post by: Green on November 04, 2014, 07:44:00 PM
This Vixen tuned up super with some heavy Doug Fir as well as Ash. Zips them heavy boogers right down there. Took another 8 arrows to get that done.....why you make me work so hard?
Gonna be good pig medicine. :D
Post by: JDBerry on November 04, 2014, 08:53:00 PM
Post by: ron w on November 05, 2014, 06:15:00 PM
Post by: ron w on November 05, 2014, 06:16:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by ron w:
The classifieds.....time well spent today. I just bought a Wesley Special 45# @ 28" 68" long and....it's a take down. Cocobolo riser and tips and clear glass......never had a T/D Hill before. I will look good next to Owl and my other Wesley Sp. I'm excited....... :jumper: :jumper:
Post by: ron w on November 05, 2014, 06:20:00 PM
Post by: alex321 on November 06, 2014, 02:10:00 AM
I was tempted by that myself, but at my short draw length I thought 68" is too long.. Let us know how it goes.
ALex
Post by: cahaba on November 06, 2014, 07:26:00 AM
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Post by: Bob B. on November 06, 2014, 11:50:00 AM
Bob.
Post by: Dan bree on November 06, 2014, 01:02:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 06, 2014, 08:40:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/arrows/B14C1F99-D7DF-4658-8095-464CD1FBF129_zpsqto47amt.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/arrows/B14C1F99-D7DF-4658-8095-464CD1FBF129_zpsqto47amt.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/arrows/050E0B16-3543-4F83-806C-A6DF26949672_zpshtc3iif3.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/arrows/050E0B16-3543-4F83-806C-A6DF26949672_zpshtc3iif3.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/arrows/81D34AAA-110C-46ED-AB5A-F4B59FCC6BFE_zps7aqowhrj.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/arrows/81D34AAA-110C-46ED-AB5A-F4B59FCC6BFE_zps7aqowhrj.jpg.html)
Also bought a doz economy western larch from kootenai river archery.
Same specs but weigh in at 675 grains. I am NOT use to arrows this heavy, but they sure Rock a target
First couple shots at 15. All seemed well enough. THEN went back to 25 and dropped them in the dirt LOL.
I'll see what I decide on. The heavies are good for gap shooting but I don't think I can jump back and forth.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 06, 2014, 10:05:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/arrows/FCA411F2-72E1-45B6-AE57-74259CC68CD3_zps39zdbtze.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/arrows/FCA411F2-72E1-45B6-AE57-74259CC68CD3_zps39zdbtze.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/arrows/7BB8C638-2138-472C-962C-70212864D36A_zpskgoeueua.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/arrows/7BB8C638-2138-472C-962C-70212864D36A_zpskgoeueua.jpg.html)
Post by: Green on November 07, 2014, 04:28:00 AM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on November 08, 2014, 03:04:00 PM
Edit: my bad. I guess I made my post a new thread by mistake. Mea culpa.
Post by: ron w on November 08, 2014, 04:02:00 PM
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Post by: centaur on November 08, 2014, 05:34:00 PM
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/efadbbc3-7823-4a94-8347-cab38a7893dc_zps83c96e0f.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/efadbbc3-7823-4a94-8347-cab38a7893dc_zps83c96e0f.jpg.html)
Post by: Cavscout9753 on November 08, 2014, 05:55:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 11, 2014, 01:07:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/Morningstar/B541546C-B479-47E4-8056-2E6E82AFECC8_zpsszamkgzf.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/Morningstar/B541546C-B479-47E4-8056-2E6E82AFECC8_zpsszamkgzf.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/Morningstar/0F8E2079-4B0F-4FE3-A8CB-6D4A544EEB39_zpsie4xkite.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/Morningstar/0F8E2079-4B0F-4FE3-A8CB-6D4A544EEB39_zpsie4xkite.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 11, 2014, 01:29:00 PM
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Post by: TJK68 on November 13, 2014, 04:27:00 PM
Tom
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 13, 2014, 04:39:00 PM
Thanks.
Post by: two4hooking on November 14, 2014, 10:23:00 AM
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/20141106_161006_zpsfe74b356.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/20141106_161006_zpsfe74b356.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 14, 2014, 04:35:00 PM
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Post by: two4hooking on November 17, 2014, 02:39:00 PM
After an initial hit to the hind quarter the lethal arrow was delivered at 83 steps with a Ace Standard tipped Spruce arrow out of a Schulz built Tembo. Entered at the last rib and exited under the armpit.
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/IMG_1184_zps137bc0ce.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/IMG_1184_zps137bc0ce.jpg.html)
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/20141115_142344_zps4a301944.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/20141115_142344_zps4a301944.jpg.html)
Post by: bsv on November 17, 2014, 04:32:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 17, 2014, 04:59:00 PM
And beautiful bow Butt, if guess cocobolo but that's all I could do is guess
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Post by: JDBerry on November 21, 2014, 09:35:00 PM
Nice going Crispin. Congrats!! ..OE
Post by: akbowbender on November 21, 2014, 10:25:00 PM
I like your quiver. Looks like it gives you some finger clearance when carrying your bow, something the Solo Stalker I used this year doesn't provide. On the plus side, the Solo Stalker weighs next to nothing.
Post by: Cavscout9753 on November 22, 2014, 12:08:00 AM
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Post by: far rider on November 22, 2014, 11:33:00 PM
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Post by: frank bullitt on November 23, 2014, 10:53:00 AM
Your making the "Hill" shooters, proud!
Good shootin to ya!
Post by: Cavscout9753 on November 23, 2014, 12:05:00 PM
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Post by: BIG GAME on November 24, 2014, 10:38:00 PM
I am limping back to the cabin after a long two years of work and family life. My family finally made the decision to move to Jordan, MT. and help with the family farm and raise our children. I have no regrets accept the fact that I got away from shooting a bow. I shot a Wesley (with the help of Brian "Brianlocal3") and felt something I hadn't felt in a long time. But knowing that I didn't have the time to fully commit I backed away from hunting and archery for awhile, but now I am can finally catch my breath and enjoy the great outdoors once again. I have been reading the "HH Bug got me" posts and want to know what it is about these bows that has such a tremendous following. I called Jason today and had a long talk about what I really am looking for and he told me to start shooting as many Hill bows as I can get my hands on and decide what grip works best and what length feels the best at my 30" draw. I am leaning toward shooting only 70" bows but want to know what you guys think.
Thanks for having me,
Traver Hunter
Post by: MikeM on November 24, 2014, 11:01:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 24, 2014, 11:24:00 PM
Long time brother!! You made your priorities, good on you. Glad you can get back to this enjoyable addiction, I mean pastime lol.
With that draw length, and you stay with HHA Id surely say 70". You can talk to other bowyers and ask them what they suggest for their bows also. Some will alter their builds to match your DL (JD berry, and Northern Mist I know for sure)
Also the reverse/forward handles ,(my current favorite) will accommodate a longer DL.
Post by: BIG GAME on November 24, 2014, 11:47:00 PM
Post by: arrowbuster on November 25, 2014, 09:12:00 PM
Anyways guys you will be seeing me on here more this is what a trad bow is supposed to be.
Post by: Fletcher on November 25, 2014, 10:20:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on November 25, 2014, 11:46:00 PM
Try cock feather in or out, make any difference? Changing point weights is easy, watch the arrow, then change to a 125 gr. Any difference? How long did you cut your arrows?
My guess is your initial arrows are weak, not strong, assuming a standard hill style bow.
Post by: arrowbuster on November 26, 2014, 05:54:00 AM
Post by: Dan bree on November 26, 2014, 10:44:00 AM
Post by: frank bullitt on November 26, 2014, 12:26:00 PM
And as Dan says, check the weight, also.
Post by: arrowbuster on November 26, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
Post by: Rossco7002 on November 26, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
I take what the spine charts say, then set up arrows with broadheads and field tips, step back to 30 or 40 yards and shoot / adjust arrow length until they group together and fly clean. Job done.
Post by: Overspined on November 27, 2014, 01:22:00 AM
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Post by: Bernd on November 30, 2014, 05:23:00 AM
Just ordered a classic from Steve Turay.
~48*@28" yew and bamboo combination in the limbs, bubinga handle.
I've always been drawn to the looks and simplicity of a hill-style bow, but after reading through more than 1000 pages of HH Bug posts, I was convinced that this design is exactly what I want.
So I'm really looking forward to August 2015... .
Post by: TexasKing on November 30, 2014, 06:46:00 PM
Post by: Centex on November 30, 2014, 08:13:00 PM
My Halfbreed took a sow over Thanksgiving Holidays
Post by: Brianlocal3 on November 30, 2014, 08:31:00 PM
Post by: BIG GAME on November 30, 2014, 09:51:00 PM
Post by: Centex on November 30, 2014, 10:34:00 PM
I had a 70" Wesley and now a 68" Halfbreed shooting at 29". The 70" was smooth but the 68" feels quicker. I have a Jet on order that will be 69" on Joels recommendation.
Post by: mike g on December 01, 2014, 10:58:00 AM
Craig told me there's a 5" per sec difference.
Post by: Stone Knife on December 01, 2014, 12:27:00 PM
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Post by: Cavscout9753 on December 01, 2014, 07:32:00 PM
Post by: BIG GAME on December 01, 2014, 08:02:00 PM
I am looking to spend around $300-$350.00 to practice all winter long. I don't care what model but I don't want to over bow myself when I am going to be working on form. Has anyone ever bought a bow just to practice on form and use for stumping, so you can build up to hunting weight?
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 03, 2014, 06:45:00 AM
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Post by: Blaino on December 03, 2014, 09:09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Cavscout9753:Juat a little info on shooting with a "Hill Style" if that is what you want to do. So, just take it for what it's worth....
Pavan, where does he anchor? Still corner of the lip? Thats crazy he's so big and only draws under 28". I don't think I have the strength to bow my arm that much, haha. Im pretty new to ASLs so I probably still use (too much?) back tension. I don't lock my arm out but I do open my body up when I settle into the anchor. Perhaps like you said after time my form will settle into something a little different. I admit I don't attempt to emulate anyone(s) form. I just try to do repeatable and fluid.
I'm 6'4" with a 78" wing span and draw dead on 28" shooting hill style. Howard was a tall guy and I think he had a 78" wing spans also with a 27" or 28" draw. I draw 31" when I shoot a recurve with what Hill would call "target style"....
Nate Steele explained it best for me. The style/form is just like wing shooting with a shotgun. You lean into the shot, swing up, shoot and follow through in one motion.
I won't tell you this is the only way they can be shot because everyone has there own style. But form is form and back tension is still back tension ect...
Post by: BIG GAME on December 03, 2014, 10:22:00 AM
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Post by: Cavscout9753 on December 03, 2014, 11:49:00 AM
Post by: two4hooking on December 03, 2014, 03:45:00 PM
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Originally posted by BIG GAME:I bought an identical bow 10 pounds over my draw weight to practice with and build up to. I still hunt with the lighter bow, but practicing with the heavy weight makes the light one feel easy.
My original question was not very clear...I am looking at which bow length to choose 70" or 68"
I am looking to spend around $300-$350.00 to practice all winter long. I don't care what model but I don't want to over bow myself when I am going to be working on form. Has anyone ever bought a bow just to practice on form and use for stumping, so you can build up to hunting weight?
Post by: Green on December 03, 2014, 04:08:00 PM
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Post by: frank bullitt on December 06, 2014, 11:54:00 AM
Post by: frank bullitt on December 12, 2014, 07:55:00 AM
Tippit has some Dave Johnson bows collecting dust.
Hmmmm!
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Post by: BAPilot2 on December 14, 2014, 01:11:00 PM
I just purchased a used Howard Hill Tembo, 70", 73@28, it arrived to my door yesterday. It is a beautiful bow but I have one concern and a question that maybe you guys can answer. The grip on this bow is very narrow and knife edged and while drawing and shooting it kinda makes my thumb go numb.
My question is twofold; Is this a normal grip configuration for a HH bow? Can the grip be me reworked and modified to fit better?
I look forward to y'all's thoughts.
Post by: mike g on December 14, 2014, 01:23:00 PM
And Yes, you described a wedge style grip.
Post by: BIG GAME on December 14, 2014, 01:37:00 PM
Post by: BAPilot2 on December 14, 2014, 02:04:00 PM
Post by: mbugland on December 14, 2014, 02:28:00 PM
Pick up the best you can get in your price range, 68 or 70... You will be fine, just getting one in hand, there is always another guy out there willing to trade left right or sideways to try one out.... I traded my 68 for two other bows, both nice.... But only ones has been into the woods, and that was short lived. Came right back around to that Wesley, she just feels wonderful (even through this crazy east coast brush... Can't wait to get home and play.
My 2cents... And that's about all it's worth.
Post by: on December 14, 2014, 03:16:00 PM
Post by: BIG GAME on December 14, 2014, 03:16:00 PM
Thanks that helps a lot, I have been trying to find someone that was willing to give up a used 68" or 70" in a lighter poundage 40-50# to work on form. My experience is limited on these bows, all I know is that I shot one last winter and never wanted to put it down.
Did you notice any performance difference between the 68" and 70"?
Post by: on December 14, 2014, 05:57:00 PM
Post by: mbugland on December 14, 2014, 06:30:00 PM
I put a lot on the handle. I wouldn't change what I started with, the original 2x4 feeling block handle, it really made all the advice on palm pressure make sense. I really had to work with that bow to get my form right. Once form was good, the locator grip was super comfy and helps me to maintain the right feel. Still wish I had kept that one around.... Stupid R/D lured me in, plus an old recurve to sweeten the deal. Hopefully the kids enjoy them..... I didn't.
Post by: Rossco7002 on December 14, 2014, 08:26:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on December 14, 2014, 11:03:00 PM
I am very agreeable, however that some folks have physical features that mix, or don't, with different styles. A bud of mine can't bend his hand to shoot a low wrist without a locator. Physically it's impossible. We are all different!
Dish makes my hand just sink and collapse into the bow, unless very mild. Not my favorite. That said, they all exist for a reason!
Most folks who can't shoot a hill aren't functionally shooting them correctly. I've seen it time after time.
I agree with Pavan, error on the long side for hill style. I remember selling all my 66" bows years ago once I started with 68" bows. My draw is 26.5-27" like pavan. 29/30" draw around 69". Longer go 70".
Post by: BAPilot2 on December 15, 2014, 12:58:00 AM
One thing is for sure... It's a completely different feel than Bear and Shakespeare recurves.
Post by: Overspined on December 15, 2014, 01:50:00 AM
Post by: mike g on December 15, 2014, 09:39:00 AM
Grip wise, My first Hill my Big has a small take down grip even though it's not a take down, I was at a local shoot talking to Bob Burton and I held his Hill bow and liked the grip, It was the small take down, So when I ordered my Bow I mentioned Bobs grip, And Craig said no problem....
My newest Hill Is a Tembo and it has a 2" deep wedge....
Post by: mbugland on December 16, 2014, 07:26:00 AM
I would definitely say, call and talk to Craig or Jason, they are awesome folks and will walk you through everything. Not sure where you are at, but it could be worth a trip to Hamilton to do a little more hands on question and answer.
Also, wou would be amazed what people have laying around that they are willing to trade for stuff you have laying around... I actually made my trade off of one of the online "list" classifieds. Lots of watching and patience, sometimes a little drive. Think I took a 150 mile road trip to pick that 70 up used, the guy picking up my 68 came up through some pretty rough traffic, only 60 miles, but took him a couple hours. I watch the Bozeman ads quite a bit and have seen them pop up over the years, I am back in the area every couple months and have been looking for a bow to keep in my house out there.
Good luck! It's an addiction, I have convinced myself that my monogamy is helping my accuracy, but am on the hunt for the next one at the right deal.
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Post by: Mudd on December 18, 2014, 10:02:00 AM
Thanks for sharing.
Merry Christmas and God bless,Mudd
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Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on December 19, 2014, 01:47:00 AM
,,,,,Sam,,,,,
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Post by: GREASEMAN on December 20, 2014, 07:32:00 PM
I have one just like and Luv it.
Smooth as silk and very fast and stable in the hand
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 20, 2014, 08:22:00 PM
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Post by: BIG GAME on December 20, 2014, 11:18:00 PM
Traver
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Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on December 21, 2014, 08:27:00 PM
( Kramer built ) 70" 60# @ 30" , I pull it 29 to 30 inches depending on what I'm doing with my style. Stopped at my good friends house this morning and he gave me a super nice HH quiver that I'm about to get ready for action. I'm going to put some work into this and see what happens. Where is the best place to buy a HP string for my bow and what should I get I'm shooting B50 now and just want to see and feel the difference myself.......
,,,,,Sam,,,,
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 21, 2014, 09:18:00 PM
Luke, that vixen is looking well at home with you and your refinish looks great
Post by: WESTBROOK on December 21, 2014, 09:18:00 PM
Eric
Post by: kestimator on December 22, 2014, 02:15:00 PM
BTW...Sam thanks again for coming by yesterday!! You saved or cursed me to more time behind a Hill bow :) Those arrows you left were just the ticket!!
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Post by: kestimator on December 22, 2014, 09:44:00 PM
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on December 22, 2014, 09:44:00 PM
,,,Sam,,,
Post by: kestimator on December 22, 2014, 10:12:00 PM
I'd say...for me...#2 proper arrow for the specific bow...then #1 as Howard said something like "at the shot both hands do nothing"....meaning for me...the bow hand (most importantly) and the release hand stay steady with commitment to the shot...pretty rock steady follow through...#3 I guess would be after seeing that you can "do this"...staying confident and committed to seeing growing success with this type of tackle and style...
...hope you don't mind me listing out of order :)
I don't mean to start a hoorah or nothing...but for me...shooting Hill style requires more focus and concentration on form than shooting other types of LBs and RCs....contrary to what Howard and others have espoused...
I'd offer that once some amount of proficiency is reached the "rewards" will match or surpass the effort involved...
Post by: Looper on December 23, 2014, 12:38:00 AM
Post by: cahaba on December 23, 2014, 01:25:00 AM
Like kestimator developing a rock solid bow hand has helped me the most. Many times you can make a bad release or other shooting mistake and still make a good hit if your bow arm is steady enough.
The second thing for me would be spending time on the blank bale. It helped me develop a better swing draw. Mr. Hill shot blank bale a lot his whole shooting career for a reason.
Third thing would be making sure I have proper back tension on each shot.
Post by: on December 23, 2014, 02:40:00 AM
Post by: Blaino on December 23, 2014, 08:43:00 AM
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Originally posted by SAM E. STEPHENS:Look at pictures of Hill at full draw. The bowstring is making contact with his eyebrow. Joel Templin of JET Archery pointed this out to me. It made a big differance for me.
If you could give the top 3 things that helped improve your shooting of HH bows what would they be. I have been reading through part one ( about half way done ) and have read all of part two of this thread. I know how to shoot a bow just wondering what helps you as an individual as I like to try stuff to see if some of it might help my shooting along......
,,,Sam,,,
Post by: two4hooking on December 23, 2014, 04:37:00 PM
#2 - Shoulder in line with the target, back and low
#3 - See number 1!
Post by: ron w on December 23, 2014, 04:46:00 PM
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Originally posted by two4hooking:And.......#1 grip, #2 grip, and #3 grip
#1 Stay flexible and fluid - especially the bow arm elbow..a bend. Do not lock it!
#2 - Shoulder in line with the target, back and low
#3 - See number 1!
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Post by: Jim Picarelli on December 24, 2014, 07:36:00 AM
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Post by: kestimator on December 24, 2014, 02:49:00 PM
Even better group of arrows jammed in that target!!! :) Good shooting!!
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Post by: Ray Lyon on December 27, 2014, 06:15:00 AM
I'm hoping to visit Steve at his shop in a month when I'm up there to watch my oldest daughter compete in a couple of cross country skiing races not far from Steve's shop. I think I need another bow rack for Iongbows!!! :p ;)
Post by: MikeNova on December 28, 2014, 12:39:00 AM
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on December 28, 2014, 12:48:00 AM
,,,,Sam,,,,
Post by: on December 30, 2014, 04:00:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on December 30, 2014, 05:27:00 PM
Shooting my JD BERRY MorningStar, ABSOLUTLY wonderful time. I did not spend time editing so it's a rough video, sorry
http://youtu.be/EUmwzkECRGI
Post by: Gordon Jabben on December 30, 2014, 06:31:00 PM
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 30, 2014, 07:44:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:that's the way to do it, but do it in reverse - wrap first, then wick in a quality water thin cya just to the wrap area. the cya will get sucked into the sliver and hold it and the thread quite fast. can leave as is or wipe on a thin coat of polyu.
I got a phone call, I do not know if he is a TGer or not. Anyway, he had a sliver pop out on one of his all bamboo bows. I do not know which make it was, he has them from several different bowyers. I told him to glue it down with the running kind of super glue and maybe pinch that down with wraps of tape. Then maybe mask off short sections, sand and then serve it with something like light Fireline that is coated with epoxy. Did I tell him right or did I tell him wrong?
not sure if the cya will penetrate into that sliver of 'boo? press a thumb and forefinger together as tight as yer muscles will allow. with a toothpick grab a teeny drop of quality (hobby shop grade) water thin cya about the size of a small pin head, then put that drop anywhere that those fingers meet. wait five seconds. you ain't gettin' those fingers apart without the aid of a liberal amount of acetone. the cya wicked completely to both compressed surfaces of those fingers. :)
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Post by: Green on December 31, 2014, 06:14:00 AM
Oh, and by the way, Mr. McBroom is building one heck of a nice string follow Hill style. Great value, performance, looks, extremely smooth to shoot, and dead in the hand at the shot.
Post by: GREASEMAN on January 01, 2015, 12:14:00 PM
Looks like ya had a lot of fun!
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Post by: Mudd on January 05, 2015, 09:27:00 AM
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Originally posted by Hermon:X's 2.... Hermon "nailed it" !!!!
Unless you just want a new bow, your Wesley Special will work just fine. Remember it is the person behind the bow more than the bow itself.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: mike g on January 05, 2015, 09:57:00 AM
They should have a longbow class, you won't compete against recurves....
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Post by: Green on January 05, 2015, 02:32:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:Rob a bank, maybe? :laughing:
It is January 5. On your marks, get set, count your change jars, call gramma and tell her she one of your favorite grammas, sell the chickens, pick up pop cans, and... there is something I am forgetting.
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Post by: mcbowguy on January 08, 2015, 01:06:00 AM
This is a String Follow with the 2 piece option with a wonderful cocobolo riser and elk antler tips.
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/5b1b31dfccd0b07826eb034ac6bb7f79?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/099025ac7078bd464c154086aff33909?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
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Post by: mcbowguy on January 08, 2015, 01:06:00 AM
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/51b466638e9aa850f69d2adcd27b7c13?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
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(http://nebula.wsimg.com/ac9730b3eef74495fdb24d2dabb4bcff?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/d40408ebd2f864e4d24a207091c56546?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/64ea8ab336678879b8e40d5b4d964797?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/e493b0d6663d47ff95b61e5afe26299a?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
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Post by: mcbowguy on January 08, 2015, 01:17:00 AM
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Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 08, 2015, 03:04:00 PM
Here is a doe I shot this morning with my new gear , did a story in the PowWow.....
(http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac45/samstephens71/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/CD67296B-EE15-4594-9B3C-5A1CF87CFC4F_zpshf8vstg7.jpg) (http://s884.photobucket.com/user/samstephens71/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/CD67296B-EE15-4594-9B3C-5A1CF87CFC4F_zpshf8vstg7.jpg.html)
(http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac45/samstephens71/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/8B882483-483F-4B17-99C5-D354F5128AE8_zps9dfyp5xe.jpg) (http://s884.photobucket.com/user/samstephens71/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/8B882483-483F-4B17-99C5-D354F5128AE8_zps9dfyp5xe.jpg.html)
Post by: Green on January 08, 2015, 03:19:00 PM
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Post by: kestimator on January 08, 2015, 07:15:00 PM
Well done my friend!! Well done!! :)
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Post by: Moreammo on January 08, 2015, 09:22:00 PM
Nice bows Brian! I dig both but have fond liking to that two piece :)
Excellent work !
Jon
Post by: Moreammo on January 08, 2015, 09:34:00 PM
Nice bows Brian! I dig both but have fond liking to that two piece :)
Excellent work !
Jon
Post by: Ray Lyon on January 08, 2015, 09:47:00 PM
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Originally posted by Vesty:Ron, final choice is pending. I shot and really liked Roger Norris whisper at camp this fall while Steve Turay was visiting and really liked it. Also thinking about a Shelton. I'll be visiting Steve in a couple of weeks at his shop and will finalize things then.
I have a Baraga and Whisper, Ray. Steve's bows are special as I'm sure you know. I'm partial to my Whisper for no particular reason. Which model did you order?
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 08, 2015, 09:48:00 PM
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 08, 2015, 10:37:00 PM
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I think I'm liking this Hill stuff....
,,,,Sam,,,,
Post by: BIG GAME on January 08, 2015, 11:10:00 PM
Congrats that's some good meat...Hill style
Post by: Ray Lyon on January 09, 2015, 04:15:00 AM
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Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 10, 2015, 02:15:00 AM
,,,,Sam,,,,
Post by: on January 10, 2015, 05:28:00 AM
You can file both sides down and hit them with a RADA sharpener. I paid $5 for one two years ago.
I had a Hill sharpener that was two metal flats wielded across with the carbide wheels, I lost it somewhere and cannot find a replacement, but it worked.
I have used buffing and grinding tools with my Dremel tool. I come up a riffley super sharp edge that will easily cut hair.
I have used nothing more than the common chain saw file on standard Hills, not shaving sharp but probably more deadly on a Hill. Lots of Hill guys use this method.
I have followed the advice as given on the Hill brochure that Craig put out. I use a Grizzly file, the file the Elburgs suggested to sharpen the original Grizzly broadhead. I find that its round sides can be used like a steel and this leaves the file teeth come to an abrupt edge which will give a very fine serration.
I have used the Tom Mussato method that is on here somewhere, it takes some time but it works well.
We have killed deer with all of these methods and cannot tell which one works better than the other with Hill heads. Other than our single bevel versions getting more blood on the ground and sooner than file sharpened standard Hills done the Hill way, the end result is about the same. I would advise with Hill heads, if your shaving sharp goal is not absolutely hair cutting sharp go with a serration method and then there is a difference from merely being a rough edge to a very keen rough or serrated edge. It should easily cut leather.
Many years ago I filed on a 140 till I wrecked two cheap but new files, they were very hard, that is when I used the Diamond hone attachment of my Dremel tool.
My first Hills many years ago I tried to sharpen just like a Bear or a Zwicky. Louis Armbruster showed me his method by pulling the narrow flat side of a standard file reversed and pull filing from back to front on all sides and making sure that a very sharp bur gets pulled up on each edge from the same direction to match your fletching. I killed my first 9 deer using this method.
Post by: Overspined on January 10, 2015, 09:05:00 AM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 10, 2015, 10:32:00 PM
Great video on sharpening a Hill head by Green
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 11, 2015, 12:05:00 AM
,,,,Sam,,,,
Post by: Green on January 11, 2015, 08:02:00 AM
I picked up another bunch after this video was done, and the steel seems a bit harder than the previous ones, so I ended up stroking the file as much across the blade as I did forward with each stroke in order to raise the burr. I have also done away with using the larger file as the shorter/narrower file seems to offer the best cutting ability.
Post by: on January 11, 2015, 10:40:00 AM
Post by: Overspined on January 12, 2015, 09:16:00 PM
Pavan, those hills are great, if you get em sharp, which I gave up on...the shape of the head is just so difficult to work and the steel is like the old Griz, super hard.
I haven't measured penetration as you mentioned, but the amount blood and short trails have been hard to mistake. Before, deer would die, but run farther and seemed to bleed very little. I Don't think its only a Grizzly head thing, I thing the low edge angle and ridiculously sharp edge is the key, which can be achieved with many heads. The single bevel is gravy if the studies are true as I hunt with bows under 53#.
Post by: kestimator on January 12, 2015, 10:59:00 PM
Good video Rob!! Your archery talents/skills remain impressive :)
Post by: jeffg on January 14, 2015, 09:20:00 AM
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Post by: on January 14, 2015, 11:14:00 AM
The Hill that got grabbed when I had my heart arrhythmia by some idiot, killed the first 7 squirrels and rabbits that I shot at without a miss. My wife said, 'knock it off, I am sick of cooking squirrels." It has been my experience if a bow can kill small game for you very consistently, use it for everything else as well.
Post by: Ray Lyon on January 14, 2015, 12:12:00 PM
Post by: David Mitchell on January 14, 2015, 01:20:00 PM
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Originally posted by jeffg:Jeff, it has sort of run in cycles on this looooong thread. At various times different bowyers have been hot. At one time it was Dave Johnson and lots of guys were ordering them. Now you never hear of those bows on this thread. At various other times it has been Northern Mist, Howard Hill, etc.
why don't you hear much about Craig's Howard hill bows? There is a lot about JD Berry and other makes.
Post by: lbshooter on January 14, 2015, 01:50:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ray Lyon:John built bows for HH from the late 60's to the mid 70's. All the Shulz made Hills uniquely have 5 numbers in the serial number. I have a late 60's Tembo that looks and shoots great.
Still have my first HHA bow (Tembo)from 1978 when Ted and Betty were running the company. Used to have a hand written note from Betty regarding their stock bows at the time and switching over to their new bowyers (mine might be an old Schulz model as he was just leaving and I elected to take a stock bow). Had a few that I traded away. Great bows.
Post by: Ray Lyon on January 14, 2015, 02:25:00 PM
Post by: lbshooter on January 14, 2015, 04:03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ray Lyon:That's so ironic Ray! I think that may have been the same article that also inspired me to buy a Hill longbow. Did it have Howard with his elephant on the front cover?
Thanks Art, I'll check out the serial number. I just remember the note saying we're transitioning from our former bowyer to new bowyer(s) so there will be a delay if you order a custom weight and length. Of course back then everything was done through the mail. By the way, it was late 77 when I ordered the bow and it was after seeing the Feb 1977 article in Bow Hunter magazine about Howard Hill Archery and John Schulz and Ted Ekin.
Post by: Ray Lyon on January 14, 2015, 04:22:00 PM
Here's the article. I remember the cover of the magazine had the 'Rigid Compound Bow' which was super short for it's day (and now the norm). Anyway, traditional articles were few and far between then so I enjoyed reading that one and it inspired me to get my first Howard Hill bow.
Article on John Schult in Bow and Arrow magazine (http://archerytalkblog.com/?p=3052)
Post by: lbshooter on January 14, 2015, 05:08:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ray Lyon:Thanks Ray, That was a different article from the one read, It's a great article. You could see many of John Shulz's views that ultimately made there way into his book, Straight Shooting" one of my favorite reads.
Art,
Here's the article. I remember the cover of the magazine had the 'Rigid Compound Bow' which was super short for it's day (and now the norm). Anyway, traditional articles were few and far between then so I enjoyed reading that one and it inspired me to get my first Howard Hill bow.
Article on John Schult in Bow and Arrow magazine (http://archerytalkblog.com/?p=3052)
Post by: stik&string on January 14, 2015, 06:32:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:I'm excited to see what this new offering will be. I sold my Robin Hood limited edition because it was only 75# and I regret it almost everyday.
I am on the list for the new limited edition from Craig that is coming soon.
Post by: daveycrockett on January 14, 2015, 06:43:00 PM
Thanks
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 14, 2015, 07:01:00 PM
Because Steve turay had a hot streak, but really he still is having one as his waiting list is still long and staying steadily long. JD berry has closed his books temporarily until his list shrinks up and still has people calling daily to try and get on the list as soon as it's opened.
Dave Johnson slowed his list down to ghe point of he stopped building due to helping his wife.
The good builders will stay steadily busy I think. The hot streak happens when something new comes along.
Craig's new bow will be a hot streak also, and rightfully so... I wanna know more too
Post by: lbshooter on January 14, 2015, 07:15:00 PM
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Originally posted by daveycrockett:My Howard Hill "SIMBA" Very dark caramelized bamboo and myrle.
Could someone post pics of carmalized bamboo?
Thanks
(http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/ag252/caputo_art/8aa56ec68ade8c90f278627b1e18d7d3_zps248ed958.jpg)
Post by: jeffg on January 14, 2015, 07:18:00 PM
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Originally posted by jeffg:Thanks
(http://i.imgur.com/pSH2b78l.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tkY8e3ll.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zmsknYul.jpg)
This is caramelized Bamboo
Post by: jeffg on January 14, 2015, 07:52:00 PM
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Post by: Sirius Black on January 15, 2015, 09:24:00 AM
used, but it looks just like the pictures above.
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Post by: on January 15, 2015, 11:16:00 AM
I had been shooting longbows for some time when that article came out. A friend took one look at the cover and ordered a rigid compound. He first tried to shoot it with fingers and then went to one of those non mechanical string hooks. That is when the rule started that everyone had to be well behind the shooter and hiding behind something sturdy. I have never seen so many accidental releases. He ran out of whole set of arrows flinging them to who knows where with his first point at the sky draw. When the thing flew apart, we were all relieved, he then bought a nice 55 lb. Tembo built by Kramer and never looked back.
Post by: Ray Lyon on January 15, 2015, 11:23:00 AM
I had been shooting recurves for about 5-6 years when that article came out, but it reminded me so much of my Ben Pearson lemonwood self bow with a leather tennis wrapped handle(the bow broke after a couple of years when I put a new string on it), that I had to get one of those Hill bows. Shot my first deer and my first black bear with that HH Tembo.
Post by: Ray Lyon on January 15, 2015, 09:24:00 PM
#6877-022
68" 57#@28"
Not sure how to tell if it's a Schulz, Kramer or Meigs built bow. As mentioned above I bought it as a stock bow in latter part of 1977.
Post by: Ray Lyon on January 15, 2015, 09:33:00 PM
#6877-022
68" 57#@28"
Not sure how to tell if it's a Schulz, Kramer or Meigs built bow.
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Post by: lbshooter on January 16, 2015, 01:11:00 AM
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Originally posted by Ray Lyon:Ray,
So I looked at the serial number on the bow. Markings are as follows:
#6877-022
68" 57#@28"
Not sure how to tell if it's a Schulz, Kramer or Meigs built bow.
Your bow was made by Tim Meigs, always four numbers followed by three numbers. He made bows for HH from 1977-1992. This info came from Craig Ekin about a dozen years ago.
Art
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 16, 2015, 01:51:00 AM
(http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac45/samstephens71/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/3A9C9318-E18E-4D23-9D96-ED40714B110A_zpsmncom3wt.jpg) (http://s884.photobucket.com/user/samstephens71/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/3A9C9318-E18E-4D23-9D96-ED40714B110A_zpsmncom3wt.jpg.html)
(http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac45/samstephens71/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/2D2A8AC9-0758-4A19-A885-217E35AB202F_zps6wj927k7.jpg) (http://s884.photobucket.com/user/samstephens71/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/2D2A8AC9-0758-4A19-A885-217E35AB202F_zps6wj927k7.jpg.html)
Post by: centaur on January 16, 2015, 07:21:00 AM
I like that Texas cedar country, by the way. Wish it wasn't all private.
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Post by: Ray Lyon on January 16, 2015, 01:23:00 PM
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Originally posted by lbshooter:Thanks guys. I figured it was length year and #of bow produced. How do you tell the Schulz and Kramer bows? (forgive me if this is discussed already, I'm only 1/2 way through all the part 2 posts and still have to read all the part one posts)
QuoteOriginally posted by Ray Lyon:Ray,
So I looked at the serial number on the bow. Markings are as follows:
#6877-022
68" 57#@28"
Not sure how to tell if it's a Schulz, Kramer or Meigs built bow.
Your bow was made by Tim Meigs, always four numbers followed by three numbers. He made bows for HH from 1977-1992. This info came from Craig Ekin about a dozen years ago.
Art [/b]
Post by: lbshooter on January 16, 2015, 02:06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ray Lyon:Ray, Schulz bows have 5 numbers only. The Kramer bows have 2 or 3 letters. It's a Kramer bow if the last letter is a K. The letters are thn followed by 4 or 5 numbers. Both Lee and Ted Kramer made bows for Hill.
QuoteOriginally posted by lbshooter:Thanks guys. I figured it was length year and #of bow produced. How do you tell the Schulz and Kramer bows? (forgive me if this is discussed already, I'm only 1/2 way through all the part 2 posts and still have to read all the part one posts) [/b]
QuoteOriginally posted by Ray Lyon:Ray,
So I looked at the serial number on the bow. Markings are as follows:
#6877-022
68" 57#@28"
Not sure how to tell if it's a Schulz, Kramer or Meigs built bow.
Your bow was made by Tim Meigs, always four numbers followed by three numbers. He made bows for HH from 1977-1992. This info came from Craig Ekin about a dozen years ago.
Art [/b]
Art
Post by: Ray Lyon on January 16, 2015, 02:50:00 PM
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 16, 2015, 06:55:00 PM
(http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac45/samstephens71/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/22B5ECA8-08B3-4559-9250-6CB8ACF2F2AE_zpsnq2qdqhw.jpg) (http://s884.photobucket.com/user/samstephens71/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/22B5ECA8-08B3-4559-9250-6CB8ACF2F2AE_zpsnq2qdqhw.jpg.html)
(http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac45/samstephens71/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/6677A996-236A-42DB-9A5D-3DA1A7734107_zpsr32ltswg.jpg) (http://s884.photobucket.com/user/samstephens71/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/6677A996-236A-42DB-9A5D-3DA1A7734107_zpsr32ltswg.jpg.html)
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Post by: Jacquesbonin on January 17, 2015, 12:30:00 AM
Hill thing? Jacques
Post by: jeffg on January 17, 2015, 05:58:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on January 17, 2015, 11:12:00 PM
I love my trips to "Sherwood"...
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Ray Lyon on January 18, 2015, 05:48:00 AM
Post by: lbshooter on January 18, 2015, 06:01:00 AM
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Originally posted by Ray Lyon:6 3/8"- 6 5/8".
What's the recommended brace for a HH Tembo?
Post by: kestimator on January 19, 2015, 09:54:00 AM
Post by: CHENRYIV on January 19, 2015, 06:04:00 PM
Post by: stik&string on January 20, 2015, 12:26:00 AM
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 20, 2015, 01:25:00 AM
This Hill style bow was the absolute most frustrating time I ever had shooting a bow many times I almost had bamboo firewood. But now we are good friends and are getting along very well also it was good for me to have a good buddy ( Kevin Davis ) to talk with and work through it all. I have many books to read and studyin to do but I think it can only get better , what I like best is how hunting and shooting these bows makes me feel about myself while doing it The Hard Way so to speak. Not that you are better than anyone else for doing it this way just you have worked for it and taking the trail that not so many walk on now days. I tip my hat for you guys that walk that trail cause it ain't an easy one from what I have experienced so far but it's been so much fun so far. Anyway I think I like this Hill bow thing......
,,,,Sam,,,,
Post by: K.S.TRAPPER on January 20, 2015, 08:04:00 AM
Congrats on your success this season :thumbsup:
Tracy
Post by: Mudd on January 20, 2015, 09:41:00 AM
I said the same thing in a little different way.."It's not how the bow feels but how the bow makes me feel when I put my hand to it."
I love my trips to "Sherwood"!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: two4hooking on January 20, 2015, 09:52:00 AM
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Originally posted by SAM E. STEPHENS:You got it Sam....you have to change your way of thinking but it is well worth the effort!
To answer Jacques question ( what do I really think of this Hill thing ) well I do think I like it and like it a lot. I think it is a rough learning curve on getting it all down but reading all of this thread has helped me along. I think these bows are tough to get along with until you reach the point for the ol brains light bulb to go from a flicker to a good steady light. It took me a bit to figure it out ( and still have a ways to go ) I think take in what you can and use what works for you. I think I like to read and listen and learn then actually try the method and either keep it or trash it depending on how it fits me. And I guess I have a mix of shooting styles , sometime I hold and sometime I shoot fast and at times I'm not sure what I did but I'm hitting my intended target. I like back quivers and wood arrows and plaid shirts and a sharp broadhead and I like hunting with this gear.
This Hill style bow was the absolute most frustrating time I ever had shooting a bow many times I almost had bamboo firewood. But now we are good friends and are getting along very well also it was good for me to have a good buddy ( Kevin Davis ) to talk with and work through it all. I have many books to read and studyin to do but I think it can only get better , what I like best is how hunting and shooting these bows makes me feel about myself while doing it The Hard Way so to speak. Not that you are better than anyone else for doing it this way just you have worked for it and taking the trail that not so many walk on now days. I tip my hat for you guys that walk that trail cause it ain't an easy one from what I have experienced so far but it's been so much fun so far. Anyway I think I like this Hill bow thing......
,,,,Sam,,,,
Post by: daveycrockett on January 20, 2015, 08:27:00 PM
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 20, 2015, 09:21:00 PM
,,,Sam,,,
Post by: akbowbender on January 20, 2015, 10:40:00 PM
No photos, as everyone is probably tired of seeing black back, white belly bows, but this is one nice bow, and what a sweet shooter.
I needed a lighter weight bow that I could shoot a lot and not get tired too fast, and this one fits the bill perfectly.
Post by: Green on January 21, 2015, 04:59:00 AM
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Post by: daveycrockett on January 21, 2015, 10:11:00 PM
Post by: lbshooter on January 22, 2015, 06:35:00 AM
Post by: Vesty on January 22, 2015, 10:08:00 AM
Post by: Green on January 22, 2015, 04:00:00 PM
Post by: daveycrockett on January 22, 2015, 04:11:00 PM
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Originally posted by Green:Thanks, maybe I'm not to heavy after all at 11.5 gpp ,puts me at 690 grains.!
Sitka Spruce, POC, Doug Fir, Ash......my gpp ranges from 11.2 up to 13.7 using these woods from my 48-49# bows.
Post by: WESTBROOK on January 22, 2015, 07:06:00 PM
I've got a Superior than I'm gonna turn into a straight with a slight dish.
Post by: Ray Lyon on January 22, 2015, 09:11:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 22, 2015, 09:38:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/new%20vixen%20OE/0001C407-DFB2-4265-9C9E-8D62F4AD65C9_zpsydxemq5m.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/new%20vixen%20OE/0001C407-DFB2-4265-9C9E-8D62F4AD65C9_zpsydxemq5m.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/new%20vixen%20OE/BBE982E4-360C-4954-9B00-84657B62FDD6_zpsnruceukx.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/new%20vixen%20OE/BBE982E4-360C-4954-9B00-84657B62FDD6_zpsnruceukx.jpg.html)
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(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/new%20vixen%20OE/3791AB53-80A3-4447-8BAB-94677683E6BA_zpscfmtpfcx.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/new%20vixen%20OE/3791AB53-80A3-4447-8BAB-94677683E6BA_zpscfmtpfcx.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/new%20vixen%20OE/412C8E26-8726-4E68-AF66-0D7C55F47E41_zpseytrentf.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/new%20vixen%20OE/412C8E26-8726-4E68-AF66-0D7C55F47E41_zpseytrentf.jpg.html)
My new OE JD Berry Vixen 50@26 68"
Black walnut limbs, white back and belly. Blood wood encasement, dual riser wedges
This bow flat out shoots!! Pure embodiment of classic ASL
Post by: ron w on January 22, 2015, 10:00:00 PM
Post by: daveycrockett on January 22, 2015, 10:11:00 PM
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Originally posted by ron w:x2 :archer:
WOW.......what a looker :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: Mudd on January 23, 2015, 12:17:00 AM
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Originally posted by daveycrockett:(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/50000likes_zps9772ef7a.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/50000likes_zps9772ef7a.jpg.html)
QuoteOriginally posted by ron w:x2 :archer: [/b]
WOW.......what a looker :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: Green on January 23, 2015, 07:03:00 AM
Post by: centaur on January 23, 2015, 07:07:00 AM
While waiting for my bow to come, I will suffer in the meantime with shooting my current Morningstar. Dings and all, it still is the best shooting bow I have ever owned, and the one to come just promises to be even better.
Post by: Tater on January 23, 2015, 09:34:00 AM
I posted on pow-wow but let me say again what a great looking bow...!
I also received a new to me bow yesterday, I did a trade with Danny (RicO'shay). I am sure most of you have seen this bow before but it is the nicest Hill bow I have owned, and want to thank Danny for trading.
Here are a couple of pictures (couldn't help myself!)
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa282/Bowhuntater/Tembo001_zpsc75c720f.jpg) (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/Bowhuntater/media/Tembo001_zpsc75c720f.jpg.html)
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa282/Bowhuntater/Tembo005_zps28f39a8e.jpg) (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/Bowhuntater/media/Tembo005_zps28f39a8e.jpg.html)
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa282/Bowhuntater/Tembo004_zps20762e67.jpg) (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/Bowhuntater/media/Tembo004_zps20762e67.jpg.html)
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa282/Bowhuntater/Tembo006_zpsa2a60a9f.jpg) (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/Bowhuntater/media/Tembo006_zpsa2a60a9f.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 23, 2015, 10:47:00 AM
Post by: ron w on January 23, 2015, 10:54:00 AM
Post by: Green on January 23, 2015, 01:48:00 PM
Post by: Centex on January 23, 2015, 02:25:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on January 23, 2015, 03:48:00 PM
Post by: Tater on January 23, 2015, 03:57:00 PM
Specs are 66" 55# @ 28", Ivory and Snake Wood tip overlays, it shoots great.. :jumper:
Thanks again for the trade Danny.!
Post by: Jim Picarelli on January 23, 2015, 09:48:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on January 23, 2015, 10:03:00 PM
Post by: ron w on January 24, 2015, 09:59:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 24, 2015, 11:06:00 PM
Post by: kestimator on January 24, 2015, 11:07:00 PM
Congrats!!!
Post by: on January 25, 2015, 04:06:00 AM
Post by: cmh on January 25, 2015, 09:33:00 AM
Post by: T-Bowhunter on January 25, 2015, 09:41:00 AM
Post by: on January 25, 2015, 11:42:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 25, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
Post by: cmh on January 25, 2015, 04:18:00 PM
Post by: Green on January 25, 2015, 05:21:00 PM
Post by: daveycrockett on January 25, 2015, 06:28:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 25, 2015, 07:47:00 PM
Why is it not for you? Specific reasons?
Post by: daveycrockett on January 25, 2015, 07:53:00 PM
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Originally posted by Brianlocal3:Just too much different than I'm used too. I shot my other bows today. That did it. I wanted to try one ,I did. I realize I didn't give it much time. I listed it just now.
Davey,
Why is it not for you? Specific reasons?
Post by: Brianlocal3 on January 25, 2015, 08:23:00 PM
Post by: cmh on January 25, 2015, 10:26:00 PM
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Originally posted by daveycrockett:Sorry it didn't work for you but you'll sell it.... They are very nice bows ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by Brianlocal3:Just too much different than I'm used too. I shot my other bows today. That did it. I wanted to try one ,I did. I realize I didn't give it much time. I listed it just now. [/b]
Davey,
Why is it not for you? Specific reasons?
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 27, 2015, 02:36:00 AM
(http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac45/samstephens71/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/0C91F177-9804-4556-9310-C4A651C939DC_zpsdvnsisa9.jpg) (http://s884.photobucket.com/user/samstephens71/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/0C91F177-9804-4556-9310-C4A651C939DC_zpsdvnsisa9.jpg.html)
(http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac45/samstephens71/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/956F061D-E2FA-4F7C-97AC-9D1EAF925306_zpsmg5wgdii.jpg) (http://s884.photobucket.com/user/samstephens71/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/956F061D-E2FA-4F7C-97AC-9D1EAF925306_zpsmg5wgdii.jpg.html)
Post by: on January 27, 2015, 02:39:00 AM
Post by: cmh on January 27, 2015, 10:35:00 AM
Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on January 27, 2015, 10:49:00 AM
,,,,Sam,,,,
Post by: Vesty on January 27, 2015, 11:38:00 AM
Post by: Ray Lyon on January 27, 2015, 12:30:00 PM
You'll have to wait until it's built. I was test driving a Shelton and a Whisper that he's bringing down to the Kalamazoo Expo as stock bows. They both shot well and spit the arrow out very similar. The Shelton just felt right in my hands. When we finished the order form I said so are you 9-10 months out and he said no, it should be sooner than that. I didn't want to know any more than that, because otherwise I'll start getting antsy. I'll definitely post pictures then, but who knows, maybe it will be on the third version of this thread. ;)
Post by: cmh on January 27, 2015, 01:47:00 PM
Post by: kestimator on January 27, 2015, 01:51:00 PM
Post by: CHENRYIV on January 27, 2015, 03:03:00 PM
Post by: mcbowguy on January 30, 2015, 08:45:00 PM
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/7094288245124e19371bc44e27e18e3a?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/d42843c4807b1475047caa03b9517928?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/3d7c726435f1898cf78737cd7b126fba?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/bd10bc73a322c542ad5af92eb7eb41e8?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
Post by: Mudd on January 30, 2015, 10:14:00 PM
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Shinken on January 30, 2015, 11:22:00 PM
That is one handsome longbow right there - the riser has some *nice* character!
Keep the wind in your face!
Shoot straight, Shinken
:archer2:
Post by: Green on January 31, 2015, 05:48:00 AM
Post by: mike g on January 31, 2015, 10:48:00 AM
From what I have read here and there, A Forward handle ASL is supposed to nice and forgiving, And so Is string follow....
So my question is, Dose anyone have a forward handle string follow bow, If so, How dose it shoot....?
Inquiring minds want to know..LOL
Have a great day everyone....
Post by: WESTBROOK on January 31, 2015, 10:58:00 AM
Post by: ron w on January 31, 2015, 04:27:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on February 01, 2015, 04:14:00 PM
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/84716D95-2F3E-425B-8E84-35E3EBD2C7E5.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/84716D95-2F3E-425B-8E84-35E3EBD2C7E5.jpg.html)
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/6E69CFDE-3C82-4AB4-BB64-2C5D48C380BD.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/6E69CFDE-3C82-4AB4-BB64-2C5D48C380BD.jpg.html)
Post by: Homebru on February 01, 2015, 05:05:00 PM
homebru
Post by: soap creek on February 01, 2015, 05:35:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on February 01, 2015, 05:43:00 PM
All I've done lately has been using up the scraps from quiver making to make string keepers and a few broadhead sheaths.
Yesterday, I was going to look at some latigo leather that Tandy has on sale, but by the time I got into Anchorage, the store was closing up. Forgot that they closed early on Saturdays.
Post by: soap creek on February 01, 2015, 06:41:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on February 01, 2015, 07:18:00 PM
Nice quivers! The austin sides at tandy are already colored and finished nicely, and are on sale now. So all you have to do is make up the quiver. One side will make 3 quivers and straps if you get the right piece. You can add waterproof finish on top but I don't think they need it..they are the perfect weight for arm guards and back quivers if you like them less stiff but adequate weight leather for broadheads. They are hill style without the break-in period. Its the one hanging on the chair in the above pic.
Post by: soap creek on February 01, 2015, 07:31:00 PM
Post by: Vesty on February 05, 2015, 09:11:00 AM
Post by: Linwood Hines on February 05, 2015, 06:25:00 PM
I need some advice: Do I start at approximately where I exited (at about page 10) or do I start here and go backwards? Either way, I have a LOT of reading to do - but it will be darn fun! See y'all in the woods.
Post by: akbowbender on February 05, 2015, 08:47:00 PM
Post by: frank bullitt on February 06, 2015, 06:38:00 AM
Good shootin,
Steve
Post by: Green on February 11, 2015, 05:46:00 PM
Would like to know more about his archery career as I understand from Bob W's writing that he was quite a shooter as well.
Post by: nineworlds9 on February 13, 2015, 03:16:00 PM
Picked up this beauty from a fellow who was helping sell off the collection of a recently deceased friend. The bows available were said to be in excellent condition and priced to sell. Anyway, I picked up this minty Howard Hill Redman DUAL SHELF 68" 45@28 for the firesale price of $244 shipped! WOWZA! When the bow arrived it appeared to have been shot hardly at all. Fella told me the guy liked to accumulate bows, shoot them a little, and then move on to the next thing (sounds familiar eh? LOL)
Shoots like a dream and being able to practice my right hand shooting again is pretty neat. However, the original B50 string has got to go, my jaw's about to fall off! LOL. Got a new 12str Rhino string on order from Allen Shafer now.
Such a cool bow! Cocobolo riser, clear glass belly, black glass back so the yew is visible on the important side :D
The most interesting thing about this bow is that the straight grip has a slight downward taper to it, I measured and at the shelf the grip is 2" deep, at the bottom of the grip it's only 1 7/8". Very interesting? All I know is that it works. What is this called when the grip is deeper at the top than the bottom??
The other thing that's interesting is that this particular bow seems so lean and slim compared to a couple of the other Hills I've owned, and I'm not sure it's just cause it's only 45#...the other two, one was 50# and the other 55#, just seemed so much more beefy in comparison. And I don't mean the riser, but the limbs/tips. This bow has the same proportions almost as the Miller Old Tom I used to have which was 50#. I wonder what year this particular bow was made? May need to email Craig.
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/2C9B6860-1106-41CD-BB09-E336A92EEB07.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/2C9B6860-1106-41CD-BB09-E336A92EEB07.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/F1103831-FF38-470B-90D0-B93D8F5955E4.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/F1103831-FF38-470B-90D0-B93D8F5955E4.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/E213667D-D062-407D-86A4-E02B640171EB.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/E213667D-D062-407D-86A4-E02B640171EB.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/E6A64A11-AAF0-4562-A86F-CACEC9518DEB.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/E6A64A11-AAF0-4562-A86F-CACEC9518DEB.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/28F87575-41A4-4F9F-B388-631D609892E0.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/28F87575-41A4-4F9F-B388-631D609892E0.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/E2991075-3A67-41F5-971A-429C734B10F1.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/E2991075-3A67-41F5-971A-429C734B10F1.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/5BEED5C9-0210-471F-83CB-BF3F57B56FF1.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/5BEED5C9-0210-471F-83CB-BF3F57B56FF1.jpg.html)
Post by: ron w on February 13, 2015, 03:28:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on February 13, 2015, 03:56:00 PM
Ron: I wanted to be the first one to make a grab at that bow! You must already have more than enough bows!
Post by: ron w on February 13, 2015, 04:13:00 PM
Post by: ChiefStingingArrow on February 13, 2015, 07:34:00 PM
Post by: jeffg on February 13, 2015, 08:02:00 PM
Post by: nineworlds9 on February 13, 2015, 09:56:00 PM
Jeff- you know me too well buddy! I've sold off some SWEET bows in my time so far, but this one may be immune as it was so cheap! LOL.
I love hybrids and bows of all kinda but I tell ya there's something so elegant and timeless about a nice Hill. Can't wait for the new string to arrive!
Post by: Stump Buster on February 13, 2015, 09:56:00 PM
Can I get in line behind Ron & Chuck please? :D
Post by: cmh on February 13, 2015, 10:51:00 PM
Post by: Green on February 14, 2015, 06:39:00 AM
Post by: Overspined on February 14, 2015, 07:12:00 AM
You describe some things in that bow that you find different, and that you like. The grip...could have simply been a mistake that you love, or Intentional! My guess is a mistake. Doesn't make it bad of course.
The bow design was a little different in the older models too. Like anything custom, those things evolve over time for better or worse. I've noticed the older HHA bows are different then the new ones too. Pretty obvious. I have seen several changes as you look at those bows over the years from the Same bowyer.
Post by: moebow on February 14, 2015, 09:28:00 AM
I have a Renner bow that I picked up in trade with Bob Wesley when I visited him 5 years ago. A fine bow IMO. Boo backed Osage and it is a string follow. Have to admit that I don't shoot it much due to my long draw. It has two lams of Osage with a boo backing showing the nodes. Not sure what the riser wood is -- it is a plain white wood of some sort.
It is marked as 40#@25" and has the name "Holy Smoke" on it.
All I really know about it or Renner.
Arne
Post by: nineworlds9 on February 14, 2015, 10:13:00 AM
That Redman grip may very well be an accident. You make a good point about the bows slightly evolving over time.
I need to email Craig and date the bow. The serial is RC687074 , so I know its a Redman built by Craig from the 'RC' and 68" from the 68, but have no idea on the 7074, for all I know it could mean 1974??? LOL but it doubt its that old. If it is, its a real survivor cause of the amazing condition, but it did come from an older collector who passed, so who knows.
Post by: mike g on February 14, 2015, 10:38:00 AM
I don't have a dual shelf, But my last Hill called Ambi, Has no shelf's so I can shoot it both sides....
Post by: TSP on February 14, 2015, 11:16:00 AM
Nice bow, hope you enjoy it.
Post by: on February 14, 2015, 11:53:00 AM
Post by: Overspined on February 14, 2015, 12:34:00 PM
Post by: nineworlds9 on February 14, 2015, 01:09:00 PM
Btw thanks for the insights on the grip guys. It does seem to make me heel it more. Its working and I'm shooting this thing pretty darn accurate, now if Allen can just get that Rhino string done, LOL, the B50 is killing me.
Post by: on February 14, 2015, 01:49:00 PM
Post by: CHENRYIV on February 14, 2015, 02:43:00 PM
Post by: GREASEMAN on February 14, 2015, 03:30:00 PM
That's one of the coolest Hill Bows I've seen
Post by: nineworlds9 on February 14, 2015, 03:38:00 PM
CHENRY'- I must acquire a Berry bow someday, James' work is incredible! Post lots of pics when you get your new baby LOL.
Post by: GregD on February 14, 2015, 04:28:00 PM
Post by: Green on February 14, 2015, 05:06:00 PM
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/Wally%20Renner%20ASL/DSCN1126.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/Wally%20Renner%20ASL/DSCN1126.jpg.html)
The Renner
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/Wally%20Renner%20ASL/DSCN1111.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/Wally%20Renner%20ASL/DSCN1111.jpg.html)
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/Wally%20Renner%20ASL/DSCN1121.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/Wally%20Renner%20ASL/DSCN1121.jpg.html)
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/Wally%20Renner%20ASL/DSCN1116.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/Wally%20Renner%20ASL/DSCN1116.jpg.html)
Thanks for lookin'. Rob
Post by: on February 14, 2015, 07:14:00 PM
Post by: TSchirm on February 14, 2015, 11:47:00 PM
Just joking, sort of. From the start when I got into trad bowhunting, I have been a recurve person. I liked the graceful curves of them, and didn't really think much about longbows. My one experience with one many years ago was not good. It seemed to knock my fillings loose when I shot it- lol. Now in the last year, I have been becoming more and more interested in longbows and like the look of the D shape. I am coming up on a build list soon, and I am getting excited. I am not sure what I will order for sure. I have shot one a little lately, and I am struggling with the straight grip. I may need to go with a locator grip.
Anyway, I may be joining this group infected with the HH bug!
Post by: JDBerry on February 15, 2015, 05:20:00 PM
PS; hope your not to old to draw it!
Post by: JDBerry on February 15, 2015, 05:33:00 PM
Post by: Green on February 15, 2015, 05:42:00 PM
Post by: centaur on February 15, 2015, 06:36:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 15, 2015, 08:19:00 PM
Tom, did you get the grip down? Relax the wrist, let the grip settle naturally brother
Post by: TSchirm on February 15, 2015, 10:42:00 PM
And no Brian, I am having that struggle with the grip. I start out lightly holding, but I notice I am gripping it very tightly when the shot is off. I might (maybe) get a good shot or two and then start spraying them around. I don't know if is that I am so used to a recurve grip.
If I try to bend my elbow a little, I seem to push it into the shot at the release, and it throws me off.
Also, my drawing shoulder has been aching a little. I haven't been shooting many arrows at once, so don't know if it is a flare up of an old (non archery related) injury. I am frustrated 'cause I rally would like to become good with a longbow.
Post by: on February 16, 2015, 06:46:00 PM
The Sage and Renner bows you have are sweet. I have always lusted for the "naturals" ..... georgeous oldschool.
:archer:
Post by: WarDancer on February 16, 2015, 11:52:00 PM
Post by: centaur on February 17, 2015, 07:58:00 AM
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Originally posted by WarDancer:Yes, I do. It doesn't get shot quite as much, but it is the quietest bow I own.
Pat, do still have the Redman you got from me. Bill Ward
Post by: WarDancer on February 17, 2015, 12:05:00 PM
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Post by: JDBerry on February 18, 2015, 09:34:00 PM
Hoping that I can break a arrow nock with it Pavan! ..OE
Post by: on February 18, 2015, 10:27:00 PM
Post by: Josh Perdue on February 18, 2015, 10:39:00 PM
Post by: on February 18, 2015, 10:58:00 PM
Post by: Josh Perdue on February 18, 2015, 11:11:00 PM
Post by: on February 19, 2015, 09:47:00 AM
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Originally posted by JDBerry:James, I think I have seen that one often lately...in my minds-eye. Can't wait to see it come alive!
Just pulled the iron off my bow a few hrs ago. Went with a Vixen, Pink Ivory handle, Wenge and blond Bamboo encasements, All Yew core ....
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 19, 2015, 10:44:00 AM
That sounds AWSOME. Send me pics and I'll post them for ya
Post by: jhk1 on February 19, 2015, 11:31:00 AM
Along with the advice from Pavan and James on holding the bow, you may want to play with the brace height. I use a 6.5" brace height on most of my Hill-style ASLs because at brace my 5" feathers clear the shelf by just a little bit. Depending on the bow, I can get a little more bump in the hand if my brace height gets lower (as the string stretches/settles in). Play around with your brace height a little and see if you can find a sweet-spot.
Different strings and string materials can also have an effect. For most of my ASLs I shoot flemish-twist 12-strand or 14-strand 8125 or D97 strings with padded loops (4 add'l strands of B50 or B55 in the loops). I notice a significant difference in handshock (less, that is) compared with B50/B55 Dacron strings. Some guys like B50/B55 on their ASLs; they say it has a "softer shot feel". Others like the slight performance gain and the shot feel of modern string materials. Different strokes for different folks.
The only ASL I still use a B55 Dacron string on is a Hill Big 5 by Craig Ekin that's probably at least 10 years old (maybe 15 or 20 yrs old). It's made to handle modern low-stretch strings, but it shoots my long 2117 aluminum arrows more accurately with the B55 string (with the B55 string, this bow is apparently better tuned to match these arrows). And this bow is nice and quiet in the hand with the Dacron string (very mild bump in the hand at the shot with B55 string. With an 8125 string, it's the quietest-in-the-hand ASL I've ever shot-- no discernable hand shock at all).
Every bow is unique/different--even from the same maker. I've got a couple other Craig-made Howard Hills, a Northern Mist Classic, a JET Leopard, a Dave Johnson red cedar ASL, and a 7 Lakes string-follow ASL. I love shooting them all, but it's uncanny how quiet in the hand my old Big 5 is.
Post by: jhk1 on February 19, 2015, 11:41:00 AM
In fact, I'm fletching up a half-dozen spruce arrows right now. I've been shooting the aluminums a lot for the past year or so, because they're "easy"-- they're cheap, consistent shaft to shaft, and stay straight (unless you hit something you didn't intend to). I like aluminums for the 3D course. But there's something magical about shooting a nice wood arrow from an ASL-- the quietness is amazing.
Post by: Overspined on February 19, 2015, 01:29:00 PM
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Post by: on February 19, 2015, 02:34:00 PM
Post by: on February 19, 2015, 06:19:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:I was one that learned this lesson the hard way back in 1972....when "a real man" would shoot heavy as Howard did. I believed it for about a year and suffered being overbowed by at least 30#.
A few less pounds was what he needed.
Finally, I sold that stump and bought a nice bow at around 50#. It was a lot of fun from then on...
Almost ditched the Hills permanently. Now you will have to bury me with one...LOL
Post by: Charlie Lamb on February 19, 2015, 07:52:00 PM
Don't get all carried away, I just called to chat and thank him personally for the Vixen he sent me last summer... Yeah, when it comes to the social graces I'm a total jerk.
Anyway as time ticked away the fever to shoot my longbow grew to fever pitch. Not much hope of that happening any time soon.
Of course I got a new bag target for my birthday and the wife would never hear me if I went in the bedroom and cranked off a few every now and then.
If you don't hear from me anytime soon you'll know I got caught.
Thanks James! It was great.
Post by: Stone Knife on February 19, 2015, 07:56:00 PM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on February 19, 2015, 08:13:00 PM
I'll bet you get more than your share up your way.
Post by: JDBerry on February 19, 2015, 09:27:00 PM
We talked a lot about bow making stuff and as I already knew Charlie is FINE Bowyer and really knows stuff. He worked in Mr. Earl Hoyts shop, and that says it all, one of the finest bowyers ever.
Maybe one day I could work in Mr.Lambs shop for awhile, and get a pedigree (I haven't even got a Binghams kit pedigree lol)
It was great Mr. Lamb, Thank you. ..OE
Post by: Mudd on February 20, 2015, 12:06:00 AM
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Green on February 20, 2015, 05:55:00 AM
Post by: Stone Knife on February 20, 2015, 06:16:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on February 20, 2015, 07:52:00 AM
Guess I'll just tough it out and shoot in the shop or bedroom until then. I can always stand some form work at close range with my longbow.
I'm also considering a road trip to take some shooting instruction from John Shulz. At this point in my life I'm not sure I'm capable of changing anything bad in my form but it would be a gas just getting to talk to John.
Post by: bsv on February 20, 2015, 07:03:00 PM
Post by: K.S.TRAPPER on February 21, 2015, 09:34:00 AM
You could start by sending Charlie a PM and asking him if he
still has any left. :readit:
Tracy
Post by: CHENRYIV on February 23, 2015, 06:25:00 PM
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Post by: Gordon Jabben on February 23, 2015, 06:45:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on February 23, 2015, 06:52:00 PM
Mr. Berry does have a fine way with wood doesnt he!
Post by: centaur on February 23, 2015, 07:06:00 PM
Very sharp looking (and doubtless, performing) bow.
Post by: ron w on February 23, 2015, 07:07:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 23, 2015, 07:23:00 PM
I know it's a vixen with pink ivory handle. James will have go fill you in on the rest
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 23, 2015, 07:24:00 PM
I see it is my favorite , not only of James's creations but of any bow I've ever shot.... A MorningStar.
There are a lot a good bows out there. James has been know to make one or two, but nothing can touch the MorningStar for me. Hands down the perfect bow!! Congrats
Post by: Green on February 23, 2015, 08:09:00 PM
James.....Good on ya for Mr. Henry's bow and for taking time out to make a new one for yourself. Hope your OE shooting's improving!
Post by: on February 23, 2015, 08:24:00 PM
That Pink Ivory is a much softer hue than I would have expected based on online info.
Very nice indeed!!
...........................................
Crispin, That is a handsome stick!
:archer: :jumper:
Post by: akbowbender on February 23, 2015, 08:43:00 PM
Of course, James' personal bow is a smokin' good looker too!
Post by: Charlie Lamb on February 23, 2015, 09:00:00 PM
I have always thought that John Shulz made the prettiest longbow I've ever seen. I still think that, but James is right in there with a strong second. Nobody else even close.
I could try to duplicate what he does but I think my ears would be bleeding before I got half way.
Post by: Mudd on February 23, 2015, 09:33:00 PM
:archer:
Post by: on February 24, 2015, 06:25:00 AM
It seems that James bows pick up where John (and others) left off. His many different offerings over three decades have proven to be beautiful expressions of functional art and performers as well.
And now, with regard to the ASL, I am hearing that James signature limb profile has given the bows more finesse / shootability.
Hoping to verify that myself as my name on the list moves closer to a build.
Post by: MikeNova on February 24, 2015, 07:42:00 PM
Post by: MikeNova on February 24, 2015, 07:46:00 PM
Post by: bsv on February 24, 2015, 07:53:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on February 24, 2015, 08:56:00 PM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on February 24, 2015, 09:54:00 PM
All that weight would result in a bow that shoots slower and very likely have considerable hand shock.
Post by: Paul_R on February 25, 2015, 09:38:00 PM
Jaguar (http://howardhillarchery.com/Limited-Edition-Longbows/jaguar.html)
(http://howardhillarchery.com/images/jaguar/dual-bows-wide.jpg) (http://howardhillarchery.com/images/jaguar/top-labels.jpg)
Post by: cmh on February 25, 2015, 09:46:00 PM
I wish he wouldn't advertise them until I can get the $$$ together ;)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on February 25, 2015, 10:37:00 PM
Stunning
Post by: on February 26, 2015, 01:16:00 PM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on February 26, 2015, 02:28:00 PM
:D
Post by: Charlie Lamb on February 26, 2015, 03:09:00 PM
I first was attracted by a very nice earth tone plaid vest on a guy going toward the exit. Then I happened to notice his green Fedora. Hmmm thinks I. Could it be? I backed up and got an angle on him to see his face.
My good friend Mister "take me to Sherwood" Mudd.
Met his new bride who is a sweetheart and a cutie. Ya did good brother. Now I know why you are not on line that much anymore.
:wavey:
Post by: neargeezer on February 26, 2015, 03:22:00 PM
Post by: on February 26, 2015, 03:56:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on February 26, 2015, 06:51:00 PM
It was great to see Mr Charlie Lamb's smiling face.
I am happy to report that Mr Lamb seems to be getting around great without much grief from the long gone old knees.
Keep up the rehab and good luck with the up coming class and shoot.
I have a feeling he will be a force to be reckoned with this coming deer season.
Thanks for the kind words Charlie!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: TSchirm on February 27, 2015, 09:11:00 AM
It also shoots nice ( I am not a good longbow shot yet but that was me) being very smooth, no shock, quiet and fast. I am brand new to longbows ( got an Argos that night!!!), but I am thinking there may be a vixen in my future as well.
Post by: on February 27, 2015, 04:06:00 PM
That is what James told me a couple days ago. He said the Ivory is much more vivid in real life.
Being "brand new to longbows" means that you have a lot of fun to look forward to, especially starting off with a Berry creation.
Post by: Ray Lyon on February 27, 2015, 06:22:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on February 27, 2015, 07:38:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 05, 2015, 11:13:00 AM
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Originally posted by Ray Lyon:Arghh, USPS must be shoveling snow in Ohio. Bow shipped out on Monday by seller Priority Mail in Ohio with expected delivery today. Just posted 30 minutes ago that it just left Cincinnati OH sort facility. Most stuff coming to Northern MI goes through the Grand Rapids MI sort facility, so I'm guessing Monday now for actual delivery (7 day actual priority!). Dang, waiting for bows to arrive is tough work. :rolleyes:
Could not resist temptation and grabbed a Northstar from JDBerry off the classified ads. That should keep me out of trouble until my Northern Mist Shelton shows up. I've got a Berry Brothers Yahweh on the rack so I'm familiar with that quality.
Post by: on March 05, 2015, 05:55:00 PM
You snagged a nice one!
At least yours moving in your direction :help:
Post by: Gordon Jabben on March 05, 2015, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 06, 2015, 08:20:00 AM
Hmmmm, I'm thinking there's a traditional bow hunter in the Cincinnati sorting facility. He probably tried it out for a few days. I guess I could call James and see if any orders were just placed from Cincinnati?? :knothead:
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 09, 2015, 08:15:00 AM
March 8, 2015 , 3:16 am
Departed USPS Facility
DES MOINES, IA 50318
The package is delayed and will not be delivered by the expected delivery date. An updated delivery date will be provided when available. Your item departed our USPS facility in DES MOINES, IA 50318 on March 8, 2015 at 3:16 am. The item is currently in transit to the destination.
March 7, 2015 , 6:14 pm
Arrived at USPS Origin Facility.
DES MOINES, IA 50318
March 7, 2015 , 8:19 am
Arrived at USPS Origin Facility.
DES MOINES, IA 50395
March 6, 2015 , 2:35 am
Departed USPS Facility.
CINCINNATI, OH 45235
March 5, 2015 , 10:30 am
Arrived at USPS Origin Facility.
CINCINNATI, OH 45235
March 2, 2015 , 4:02 pm
Departed Post Office.
BOTKINS, OH 45306
March 2, 2015 , 1:10 pm.Acceptance.
BOTKINS, OH 45306
Post by: WESTBROOK on March 09, 2015, 11:29:00 AM
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Post by: Ray Lyon on March 09, 2015, 03:02:00 PM
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Post by: Ray Lyon on March 09, 2015, 03:40:00 PM
Post by: on March 09, 2015, 04:30:00 PM
I have a Misty Dawn enroute. It is scheduled to be here tomorrow.
Hopefully Paven has satisfied his lust for Berry Good Bows. :help:
Post by: bisket on March 10, 2015, 01:07:00 PM
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Post by: Ray Lyon on March 10, 2015, 02:35:00 PM
That's a dandy. I tried one just like that (maybe that one if you bought as a stock bow at the Expo last month) and a Shelton at Steve's shop the weekend before the Expo. They were both fabulous, but I liked the traditional feel of the Shelton over the Whisper. I've got the Berry Northstar coming now anyway (it's now back in Cincinnati after a swing through Iowa), so I'll eventually have all three Hill styles covered-setback limb HH Tembo, String follow Shelton and reverse handle string follow Northstar. The Bug hit me hard this winter!
Post by: bisket on March 10, 2015, 02:50:00 PM
You had it in your hands...that is where it got me. I shot the Shelton that he had there too, but 60#'s is a little more than what my elbow will tolerate. I stopped at Steve's booth all 3 days and gave them all a couple rounds, after all he was located right next to the shooting area. :bigsmyl:
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 10, 2015, 06:08:00 PM
The reverse handle bows are my favorite!!!
Post by: frank bullitt on March 10, 2015, 06:22:00 PM
Good shootin!
Post by: on March 10, 2015, 07:08:00 PM
I missed the Expo this year....will make it next year tho.
Post by: on March 10, 2015, 09:26:00 PM
The first longbow I built sported an all Elm core. It was the first in a short line of bows built that was beautiful but, unfortunately lacked the finesse of a good bow. In other words, it was a dog. Not due to the material but the design needed some work. :rolleyes:
Anyway, I am surprised that we don't see more Elm used in today's longbows.
Post by: Vesty on March 10, 2015, 09:46:00 PM
Post by: Gordon Jabben on March 10, 2015, 09:59:00 PM
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s64/GordonJabben/7d236fc5-d320-4e4f-8802-4cfc04e9609c_zpsbl4eawgn.jpg) (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/GordonJabben/media/7d236fc5-d320-4e4f-8802-4cfc04e9609c_zpsbl4eawgn.jpg.html)
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Post by: Gordon Jabben on March 10, 2015, 10:39:00 PM
Post by: M60gunner on March 11, 2015, 12:16:00 AM
Post by: Jim Picarelli on March 11, 2015, 03:01:00 AM
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 11, 2015, 06:12:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 11, 2015, 06:37:00 AM
Red elm is my hands down favorite limb wood, for me it just makes the perfect bow!!
Post by: bisket on March 11, 2015, 08:38:00 AM
Post by: ron w on March 11, 2015, 08:58:00 AM
Post by: on March 11, 2015, 11:58:00 AM
Ray, I'm sure that yours will find its way to your doorstep.
OK, here is a 68" JD Berry "Misty Dawn" marked 51#@29" - roughly equivelent to 46# @ my 27" draw.
Take a look!
(http://i.imgur.com/pp1oaex.jpg)
Post by: on March 11, 2015, 11:59:00 AM
Post by: on March 11, 2015, 12:01:00 PM
Post by: on March 11, 2015, 12:02:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/uJ7qbj4.jpg)
Post by: on March 11, 2015, 12:03:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gilzq6G.jpg)
Post by: cmh on March 11, 2015, 12:08:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 11, 2015, 01:04:00 PM
There are a lot of good bows out there but you will not find one better than what you just received!!
Just a beaut of an ASL.
Let us know how she shoots for you
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 11, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
That's a gorgeous bow. I'm beginning to think this is going to become a where's Waldo/raffle pool contest on this thread to guess where the 'Northstar' may pop up next? This was supposed to be a 3 day priority mail shipment. Here's the latest posting when I went into USPS tracking. :knothead: :knothead:
Date & Time
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March 10, 2015 , 1:39 am
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The package is delayed and will not be delivered by the expected delivery date. An updated delivery date will be provided when available. Your item departed our USPS facility in CINCINNATI, OH 45235 on March 10, 2015 at 1:39 am. The item is currently in transit to the destination.
March 10, 2015 , 12:21 am
Arrived at USPS Facility.
CINCINNATI, OH 45235
March 8, 2015 , 3:16 am
Departed USPS Facility.
DES MOINES, IA 50318
March 7, 2015 , 6:14 pm
Arrived at USPS Facility.
DES MOINES, IA 50318
March 7, 2015 , 8:19 am
Arrived at USPS Facility.
DES MOINES, IA 50395
March 6, 2015 , 2:35 am
Departed USPS Facility.
CINCINNATI, OH 45235
March 5, 2015 , 10:30 am
Arrived at USPS Facility.
CINCINNATI, OH 45235
March 2, 2015 , 4:02 pm
Departed Post Office.
BOTKINS, OH 45306
March 2, 2015 , 1:10 pm
Acceptance.
BOTKINS, OH 45306
Post by: on March 11, 2015, 01:29:00 PM
I can't wait to shoot it!
It is gorgeous. The first of James bows I have actually had in my hands. It is hard to find an appropriate way to convey in words what I can see in this bow. Craftsmanship way outside of the norm.
My problem is that it is just a few #heavier than my shoulder can handle right now. A year ago I could not pull 15#. After a couple months of "therapy" I can now pull comfortably 39#.
Looks like I have at least 6# to go. I hope I can get that far. Not being able to shoot a longbow for over a year is killing me!
Post by: on March 11, 2015, 03:52:00 PM
Ohio....to Iowa....to Ohio....
Where's Waldo for sure! :coffee:
If it will ease your pain - or even amuse you, less than a year ago I followed a package that originated from Indiana. 6 days later it was delivered to the Traverse City P.O..Hot Dog!...way late but its getting closer. Two days later someone in Muskegon, MI received the package... nothing for three days.
Eventually the package found its way back to Grand Rapids, then to Traverse City again. Hot Dog....finally! Three days later it was received by the Petoskey PO (that's just up US31 to those who can't follow)...Yeah Baby!! That is just blocks away, can't wait!
Two days later a delivery attempt was noted. Guess who was not home! :dunno:
Post by: Green on March 11, 2015, 04:27:00 PM
Post by: on March 11, 2015, 06:12:00 PM
Post by: Green on March 11, 2015, 06:17:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on March 11, 2015, 06:31:00 PM
Hoping your wing heals up so you can enjoy it.
Post by: WESTBROOK on March 11, 2015, 06:33:00 PM
Post by: on March 11, 2015, 06:40:00 PM
Hope to see you at GLLI next time!
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 12, 2015, 08:42:00 AM
Post by: on March 12, 2015, 09:43:00 AM
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 12, 2015, 11:40:00 AM
(http:// [url=http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/20150312_112525_zpsknhwla4r.jpg.html] [img]http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/20150312_112525_zpsknhwla4r.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]
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Post by: Green on March 12, 2015, 12:14:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on March 12, 2015, 12:22:00 PM
Now...put on your snowshoes and head for Krogels :bigsmyl:
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 12, 2015, 12:30:00 PM
Hey, once the snow is gone, my daughters and I are going to help my hunting buddy Greg get the course set in place. Dan Krogel is over 80 and had both hips replaced, but he's getting around ok. I'm looking forward to getting out there and shooting and with this weather, the snow is leaving in a hurry. I'll let you know when that happens and perhaps we can finally meet there.
Ray
Post by: WESTBROOK on March 12, 2015, 12:43:00 PM
Lovin' this weather...that relentless cold was getting to me...makes my work a real pain!
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 12, 2015, 01:09:00 PM
Post by: on March 12, 2015, 01:51:00 PM
...finally!
Post by: Green on March 12, 2015, 02:01:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 12, 2015, 02:20:00 PM
Post by: bisket on March 12, 2015, 03:48:00 PM
Craig is a good guy to deal with and yes, he packs em up real good. I have been on the receiving end of his nice bows. He is a good guy to deal with.
Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 12, 2015, 03:50:00 PM
Gorgeous bow!!!!
I start all my Berries around 6.5"
My 62" Northstar liked 6.75" the best
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 13, 2015, 09:02:00 AM
(http:// [url=http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/20150313_080302_zpsrvckcojw.jpg.html] [img]http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/20150313_080302_zpsrvckcojw.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]
took a minute at first light this morning to put a few arrows through the JD Berry Northstar. Craig must have similar style as the brace on the string he included came out at 6.75 and his nock point is the same as my other bows. This has a skinny string and so I dug around for some arrows with nocks that would lightly snap. Some vintage Microflite #8's fit perfectly and the bow seems to really like them. Very well behaved, smooth as silk and feather light. The bow at 45#'s spits these heavy Microflites out very efficiently. The snow bank only allowed me to get back to 18 yards, but the seemed to fly pretty flat out to that range. Only enough time for a half dozen shots, so I'll look forward to really dialing in tomorrow. :thumbsup:
Post by: on March 13, 2015, 10:15:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on March 13, 2015, 10:36:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 14, 2015, 04:14:00 AM
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Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:"Great (good) things come to those who wait" could be a new revised quote line to apply here Charlie. It's got to be one of the physically lightest bows I've owned but is still so well behaved. This is my first reverse handle string follow bow and I'm already a fan.
Bet it was worth the wait Ray.
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 14, 2015, 01:53:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 18, 2015, 11:24:00 AM
The JD Berry Northstar is coming along just fine and Steve Turay says probably first part of July on my Shelton build (I called to ask about the quiver on his website but he's not selling them anymore). Thanks for the help gents.
Post by: on March 18, 2015, 11:58:00 AM
I had a great quiver for about 12 yeas that was made by Art Vincent (Cedar Ridge Leather....) He called it a "hunter".
He is making me a new one that is due to be delivered in a couple weeks! Can't wait!
He is a sponsor here too so that is a bonus....IMO.
(http://i.imgur.com/i113wBp.jpg)
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 18, 2015, 12:04:00 PM
I saw that quiver and know of Art's work well (he made two beautiful Shrew Mantis quivers for my daughters that 'Uncle' Ron LaClair signed for the girls). I'm not a frills person and liked the simple looks of that Hunter quiver on his website, just didn't know if it was the right stiffness and worked well with an elbow bump. Hard to tell that from pictures. Yes, I would do business with Art in a heartbeat if it's the right quiver.
Post by: on March 18, 2015, 12:14:00 PM
Even after 12 years, the leather still held the line between being soft enough to hold the arrows in place yet sufficiently stable to sit higher off my right shoulder.
Post by: Dan bree on March 19, 2015, 11:03:00 AM
Post by: Blaino on March 19, 2015, 03:17:00 PM
Post by: David Mitchell on March 19, 2015, 04:11:00 PM
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Originally posted by Dan bree:Ditto on Nate Steen's quiver. One of the finest I have had.
Ray . Nate steen Makes a great back quiver . He'll make it to fit you . Or call up Craig at hh. They have two models with different thickness of leather.
Post by: mike g on March 19, 2015, 10:28:00 PM
I also make what I call my version of a HH Quiver....
It's not on my site, But I can send you a picture to your phone....
Post by: Linwood Hines on March 19, 2015, 11:29:00 PM
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Originally posted by Dan bree:
Ray . Nate steen Makes a great back quiver . He'll make it to fit you . Or call up Craig at hh. They have two models with different thickness of leather.
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 20, 2015, 03:58:00 PM
(http:// [url=http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/PC250058_zps54fccebf.jpg.html] [img]http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/PC250058_zps54fccebf.jpg)[/url] [/IMG] (http:// [url=http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/PC250061_zpseeba6659.jpg.html] [img]http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/PC250061_zpseeba6659.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]
Post by: on March 21, 2015, 08:48:00 AM
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 22, 2015, 10:46:00 PM
Post by: CHENRYIV on March 23, 2015, 05:12:00 AM
(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/2015%20Hunting/E1C14FD4-4508-40AE-991D-7F12833A1310_zpsp5lx4wsi.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/2015%20Hunting/E1C14FD4-4508-40AE-991D-7F12833A1310_zpsp5lx4wsi.jpg.html)
(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/2015%20Hunting/711B2A2D-9FD3-49ED-AC8D-263A0BB72567_zpsrfhphyzj.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/2015%20Hunting/711B2A2D-9FD3-49ED-AC8D-263A0BB72567_zpsrfhphyzj.jpg.html)
Post by: frank bullitt on March 23, 2015, 06:26:00 AM
Post by: T-Bowhunter on March 23, 2015, 07:30:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on March 23, 2015, 07:59:00 AM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 23, 2015, 08:17:00 AM
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 23, 2015, 09:04:00 AM
Congratulations on your bird.
Post by: on March 23, 2015, 09:20:00 AM
Post by: Broken Quiver on March 23, 2015, 10:24:00 AM
Post by: Shinken on March 23, 2015, 10:15:00 PM
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Enjoy the feast!
Shoot straight, Shinken
:archer2:
Post by: Green on March 24, 2015, 06:54:00 AM
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 27, 2015, 11:13:00 AM
(http:// [url=http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/20150327_105718_zpsapuedl8m.jpg.html] [img]http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/20150327_105718_zpsapuedl8m.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]
Post by: CHENRYIV on March 27, 2015, 12:00:00 PM
BW PSR
Surewood Shaft w/Grizzly Instinct
(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/2015%20Hunting/8B3A01A7-5B0C-4F81-B53F-7C77AB81CF1F_zpsg73vh43z.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/2015%20Hunting/8B3A01A7-5B0C-4F81-B53F-7C77AB81CF1F_zpsg73vh43z.jpg.html)
Post by: centaur on March 27, 2015, 12:46:00 PM
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_0936_zpstsnsqoer.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_0936_zpstsnsqoer.jpg.html)
Last fall; one of two birds I got via spot and stalk. Notice, a Morningstar was their downfall.
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_0217_zps7d8e100c.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_0217_zps7d8e100c.jpg.html)
Post by: Gordon Jabben on March 27, 2015, 12:49:00 PM
Post by: Bluegoose on March 27, 2015, 12:54:00 PM
Crispin, that is a great Gibran quote!
Post by: CHENRYIV on March 27, 2015, 01:51:00 PM
Post by: Green on March 27, 2015, 03:58:00 PM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on March 27, 2015, 05:54:00 PM
Of course there's always the possibility that you wouldn't.
Post by: centaur on March 27, 2015, 06:40:00 PM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on March 27, 2015, 10:27:00 PM
Post by: S.C. Hunter on March 28, 2015, 02:15:00 PM
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Originally posted by Blaino:That is a surprising to me also. I'm 6'2" have a 77.5" reach and draw to 30" using a Hill style swinging draw. I find tucking my pinky finger and covering it with my thumb gives me a solid two point anchor. Corner of mouth and thumb knuckle at base of jawbone just under my ear. Yes I maintain a slightly bent elbow.
QuoteOriginally posted by Cavscout9753:Juat a little info on shooting with a "Hill Style" if that is what you want to do. So, just take it for what it's worth....
Pavan, where does he anchor? Still corner of the lip? Thats crazy he's so big and only draws under 28". I don't think I have the strength to bow my arm that much, haha. Im pretty new to ASLs so I probably still use (too much?) back tension. I don't lock my arm out but I do open my body up when I settle into the anchor. Perhaps like you said after time my form will settle into something a little different. I admit I don't attempt to emulate anyone(s) form. I just try to do repeatable and fluid.
I'm 6'4" with a 78" wing span and draw dead on 28" shooting hill style. Howard was a tall guy and I think he had a 78" wing spans also with a 27" or 28" draw. I draw 31" when I shoot a recurve with what Hill would call "target style"....
Nate Steele explained it best for me. The style/form is just like wing shooting with a shotgun. You lean into the shot, swing up, shoot and follow through in one motion.
I won't tell you this is the only way they can be shot because everyone has there own style. But form is form and back tension is still back tension ect... [/b]
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 29, 2015, 05:14:00 PM
Post by: on March 29, 2015, 06:16:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 30, 2015, 10:18:00 AM
Edit: i rechecked my draw only to find I'm at 26" as my most consistent draw. I guess the hill style grew on me
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 30, 2015, 10:47:00 AM
Post by: on March 30, 2015, 04:15:00 PM
I should add that my bows are a bit faster than the Wesley that my friend has and the sight windows are a little bit deeper. You could get by with 50 55 spines cut them to 27" bop and adjust the spine by adjusting the point weight.
You could also do what I do, separate your arrows from high end of the spine out of the set to low end of the spine.
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 30, 2015, 04:58:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 30, 2015, 05:08:00 PM
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah128/cavscout9753/C600E961-17E6-4BD1-BBB4-CFAB6F0AA2D2_zpsmu0zst95.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/cavscout9753/media/C600E961-17E6-4BD1-BBB4-CFAB6F0AA2D2_zpsmu0zst95.jpg.html)
Post by: Looper on March 31, 2015, 01:32:00 AM
First is my preferred combo of 65-70 Surewoods and a 140 grain Grizzly.
(http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad183/wclooper/Hill%20Halfbreed%20Surewood%20Grizzly.png) (http://s934.photobucket.com/user/wclooper/media/Hill%20Halfbreed%20Surewood%20Grizzly.png.html)
Next is a 70-75 Acme cedar and a 200 grain Grizzly Instinct. I use a 12 strand D10 string with those arrows.
(http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad183/wclooper/Hill%20Halfbreed%20Acme%20Instinct.png) (http://s934.photobucket.com/user/wclooper/media/Hill%20Halfbreed%20Acme%20Instinct.png.html)
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 31, 2015, 07:56:00 AM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 31, 2015, 08:17:00 AM
Post by: Looper on March 31, 2015, 10:55:00 AM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 31, 2015, 01:26:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 31, 2015, 01:32:00 PM
Post by: Looper on March 31, 2015, 01:44:00 PM
The first one is a cedar 55-60 spine with a 160 grain point.
(http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad183/wclooper/David%20160%20gr.png) (http://s934.photobucket.com/user/wclooper/media/David%20160%20gr.png.html)
The next one is a Surewood 60-65 spine with a 190 grain point.
(http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad183/wclooper/David%20190.png) (http://s934.photobucket.com/user/wclooper/media/David%20190.png.html)
Post by: two4hooking on March 31, 2015, 02:09:00 PM
:dunno:
Post by: ron w on March 31, 2015, 02:20:00 PM
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Originally posted by two4hooking:X2.......I'm glad I never had a problem getting an arrow to shoot.
Wow....all this is getting a little too technical...spreadsheets......I think I am getting a headache.
:dunno:
Post by: Looper on March 31, 2015, 02:58:00 PM
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Originally posted by two4hooking:Says the guy with the blog, on the internet... :) (I enjoy it, BTW)
Wow....all this is getting a little too technical...spreadsheets......I think I am getting a headache.
:dunno:
It's not that big of a deal. I just plugged the numbers for my setup into the 3rivers calculator and posted the results. I can assure you that the calculator had absolutely zero impact on how I came to my setup. It does confirm that it agrees with my choices.
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 31, 2015, 03:33:00 PM
Post by: on March 31, 2015, 04:29:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 31, 2015, 07:37:00 PM
Post by: two4hooking on April 01, 2015, 08:53:00 AM
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/Trad%20Know%20How/Howard%20Close_zpsjwvc0kbu.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/Trad%20Know%20How/Howard%20Close_zpsjwvc0kbu.jpg.html)
Post by: Fletcher on April 01, 2015, 12:07:00 PM
A good set of test arrows is one of the most valuable tuning tools a shooter can have.
Post by: Mud_Slide_Slim on April 01, 2015, 04:27:00 PM
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Originally posted by Fletcher:Absolutely!! :shaka:
A good set of test arrows is one of the most valuable tuning tools a shooter can have.
Post by: Charlie Lamb on April 02, 2015, 02:18:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on April 02, 2015, 02:38:00 PM
Post by: two4hooking on April 02, 2015, 03:56:00 PM
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Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:That picture was new to me too...that's why I took a picture of the picture. Thought it was cool!
Looks like Howard is bare fingered in the pic. I thought I'd seen them all but that's a new one to me.
Post by: on April 02, 2015, 04:15:00 PM
Post by: nineworlds9 on April 02, 2015, 06:31:00 PM
Post by: cahaba on April 03, 2015, 10:37:00 AM
Post by: two4hooking on April 03, 2015, 11:00:00 AM
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Originally posted by pavan:Those were other pictures in the group of pictures I took it from.
His shooting glove has a dangling strap across the back of is hand. I have been trying to figure out what the panels are in front of him.
Post by: on April 03, 2015, 11:06:00 AM
Post by: frank bullitt on April 03, 2015, 11:24:00 AM
Funny thing, I was made fun of by the Wensel twins for taking picp of pics they had displayed at the GLLI in Berrien Spring, in the late 90's! :bigsmyl:
Post by: ron w on April 03, 2015, 02:08:00 PM
Post by: two4hooking on April 03, 2015, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: mike g on April 03, 2015, 02:16:00 PM
Those are spechs, Have him drop ship to me and make sure it's up to par for you...
Post by: Cavscout9753 on April 03, 2015, 02:23:00 PM
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah128/cavscout9753/C61322D5-70CD-4E8D-9D26-EB6E25FFB139_zpsumslrthp.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/cavscout9753/media/C61322D5-70CD-4E8D-9D26-EB6E25FFB139_zpsumslrthp.jpg.html)
Post by: Stump Buster on April 03, 2015, 02:39:00 PM
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Originally posted by Cavscout9753:Actually, I REALLY like that combo and the classic look. Congrat's on the new Hill!
I'll add a picture for fun, though I don't regard it as anything too special like some of the customs we see on here.
Post by: ron w on April 03, 2015, 02:40:00 PM
Post by: on April 03, 2015, 03:36:00 PM
Here is my old Cedar Ridge Hunter:
(http://i.imgur.com/eJ5Qju0.jpg)
Post by: Cavscout9753 on April 03, 2015, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: on April 03, 2015, 03:40:00 PM
This one will belong to my 5YO son Kai. By then it will have taken on its own personality.
Here 'tis...
(http://i.imgur.com/ofMmdey.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/A4sr4Gd.jpg)
Cedar Ridge Leather Works is a Trad Gang Sponsor.
Art Vincent. the man behind the craft is an amazing artist and an all-around good guy!
Cedar Ridge builds quivers for Ron LaClair.....that outta tell you something.. :archer:
Post by: Mud_Slide_Slim on April 03, 2015, 03:56:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on April 03, 2015, 04:12:00 PM
Post by: David Mitchell on April 03, 2015, 05:01:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on April 03, 2015, 05:21:00 PM
:archer:
Post by: on April 03, 2015, 06:21:00 PM
She's a bit on the stiff side as was the Hunter model when new. Lookin' forward to the slow enjoyable process of breaking it in.
One of life's simple pleasures...for an old guy to savor, eh?
Post by: Cavscout9753 on April 03, 2015, 06:28:00 PM
Post by: on April 03, 2015, 07:01:00 PM
I don't know what others do but I never applied any dressing/oil to my hunter for more than 10 years.
I just wore it often.
Just prior to the pic of the Hunter above, I applied a coat (first one ever) of Montana Pitch blend. She was showing her age but looked like new after the rub-down.
Seems that what I did worked good but David Mitchell can tell you more about the best way to properly break in a back quiver.
Post by: nineworlds9 on April 03, 2015, 07:45:00 PM
Riser wood looks like Bocote to me. Very handsome Wesley. Enjoy your foray into Hills. They will make you sharper. When I shoot a Hill and shoot it well I'll go back to my hybrids and recurves and they make it almost too easy. Love the simple elegance of an ASL. Makes you commit to the shot everytime.
Enjoy playing with back quivers. They do make the whole ASL experience more complete, but don't feel obligated to use one, and forget any comments on "heresy" if you don't enjoy your ASL's "traditionally". I've always shot mine with FF strings, carbon arrows, and a modern side quiver (Bowmate Elite) and couldn't be happier.
The bug is strong. It may wax and wane, but once you have it there is no cure. I go through ASL-less periods, but in the end I always feel naked not having at least one on the rack.
Post by: Green on April 03, 2015, 08:11:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on April 03, 2015, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: nineworlds9 on April 03, 2015, 08:55:00 PM
I'm just deep into medic school. 1 year of real intensity. Already have one degree, this is just part of the next and part of an upgrade of my career skills. Busy as all get out!!
Post by: S.C. Hunter on April 04, 2015, 06:34:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:Makes sense to me. I actually shoot better at a slightly shorter draw length as well. Go figure. Have been shooting the last few days at 29" much better consistency than nearly 30"
S.C. Hunter, I have seen lots of differing body positions with different shooters. The amount one leans into the shot or opens up the shoulders dramatically affects the draw length. Everyone has their own comfort zones, My son is 6'2" and draws right about at 28" with any bow that has some shape in the grip, he use to draw a bit less with straight grips. I use to draw over 28" with recurves and 27" with longbows, but I have found that I am more accurate with a shorter draw regardless of the weight of the bow, 26&1/4" left hand with a straight Hill grip and 26&1/2" right hand with a straight Hill grip. I am also better at quick bunny and wing shots with a shorter draw.
Post by: Cavscout9753 on April 04, 2015, 08:12:00 PM
Post by: on April 05, 2015, 01:40:00 AM
Post by: sou-pawbowhunter on April 06, 2015, 09:30:00 PM
Post by: David Mitchell on April 06, 2015, 09:47:00 PM
Post by: Linwood Hines on April 06, 2015, 10:40:00 PM
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Originally posted by Macatawa:I hope this picture comes up again - that is absolutely world-class art - beautiful! I would put it on and go outside in the moonlight and gaze at the glow! Well, I hope you know what I mean...
A couple months back I ordered a new one.....difference being the tooling. Same basic design and high quality leather.
This one will belong to my 5YO son Kai. By then it will have taken on its own personality.
Here 'tis...
(http://i.imgur.com/ofMmdey.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/A4sr4Gd.jpg)
Cedar Ridge Leather Works is a Trad Gang Sponsor.
Art Vincent. the man behind the craft is an amazing artist and an all-around good guy!
Cedar Ridge builds quivers for Ron LaClair.....that outta tell you something.. :archer:
Post by: Jim Picarelli on April 07, 2015, 04:11:00 AM
It us heavier in mass weight than a Hill but the limbs are flat and wider than most Hills and Hill styles
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Post by: sou-pawbowhunter on April 07, 2015, 04:54:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on April 07, 2015, 08:18:00 PM
Post by: on April 08, 2015, 11:01:00 AM
When shooting a lighter bow, I had to ask myself is my release going to be based on my full draw form out of habit, or is it going to be based on my full draw aim. Once I got that notion planted in my head, it was easier to shoot the lighter bows. One of the flaws of the Hill form is that it is so automatic and fluid that one has to work at keeping the form consistent. It is very tempting for the automatic pilot to let things get more and more fluid, to a point where the draw length, anchor and power lines start to degenerate. If your symptoms are similar to mine, I would suggest to concentrate, when practicing in close, on trying to have your release become aim motivated without greatly altering your natural shooting rhythm. You may need to slow your drawing speed down a little at first.
Post by: Cavscout9753 on April 08, 2015, 11:21:00 AM
Post by: on April 08, 2015, 11:52:00 AM
Post by: on April 08, 2015, 03:49:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:Same thing here...
I shoot my best if I release right when my anchor has tightened in. More of a hit anchor and pull through to the release thing than an anchor hold and aim then release thing.
Post by: WarDancer on April 08, 2015, 05:09:00 PM
Post by: on April 08, 2015, 05:19:00 PM
Previous experience told me it was gonna be a good one and….and I was not disappointed!
She is a Vixen. 66” and 40# @27”. Limbs have a core of amber bamboo covered back and belly with a very dark brown glass.
The riser is made of Pink Ivory, the other half of the block from which James built his Vixen, “Miss Pinky”.
Riser encasements are blond bamboo and what appears to be end-grain Pink Ivory.
I sat with the unstrung lady and looked her over for quite a while. Amazed (again) at the excellence in design, and attention to detail I have yet to find in other bows to date. That’s a lot of years and many bows.
The riser is a spell-binding piece of what seems to be moving hues and intensity of a watermelon colored wood…..always changing with the slightest movement in direct sunlight and ambient light.
The pics are not good (from my cell phone) but you can catch a glimpse of her character...
She is indeed “Witchy”, the evil sister of James’ Miss Pinky”:
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on April 08, 2015, 08:42:00 PM
James does not dissapoint , I hope she shoots as good as she looks
Post by: ron w on April 08, 2015, 08:42:00 PM
Post by: on April 08, 2015, 08:43:00 PM
Ron, hoping to see a few pics of yours!
Rob,
I had to take a beating from my sweet wife for the "luxery quiver" purchase...it was worth it.... :p
I'm a happy camper these days. Will retire in a couple months which will give me plenty of time to to break in my new toys.
:archer:
Post by: Bowitis on April 08, 2015, 08:57:00 PM
Post by: Green on April 09, 2015, 05:54:00 AM
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Originally posted by Macatawa:I'd say it was well worth it. That quiver will far outlast the bruises! :D
Rob,
I had to take a beating from my sweet wife for the "luxery quiver" purchase...it was worth it.... :p
Post by: Ray Lyon on April 09, 2015, 11:20:00 AM
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Originally posted by Macatawa:Wow, what a stunning combo. I should have my Art Vincent quiver in about 6 weeks. Fish scale bottom, pouch with fishscale top like yours and then the droptine whitetail painting at the top like on his website. No fringe with mine either which looks so classy on yours. It'll start out paired with my JD Berry Northstar reversed handle and then this summer my Northern Mist Shelton will arrive with green glass. The Pink Ivory in your riser is flat out elegant looking.
(http://i.imgur.com/m96lPOp.jpg)
Post by: Blaino on April 09, 2015, 11:42:00 AM
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Originally posted by pavan:You shot completley though a 150# deer with a 37 pound Hill bow :scared:
I shot a doe that weighed 150 pounds with a 36 or 37 pound Hill at the exact same spot that I killed a similar sized buck with a 96 pound bow two years earlier. The only difference was the amount of pass through.
That's impressive!
Post by: on April 09, 2015, 12:38:00 PM
I would no longer be surprised if Tony will get the same results with that Vixen, beautiful piece of work. Back when I was a heavy bow shooter, I thought it was a fluke when my wife shot deer and always had the arrow coming out the other side and sometimes complete pass throughs, not anymore.
Post by: Ray Lyon on April 09, 2015, 01:20:00 PM
I agree, perfect arrow flight is soooo important in penetration and of course the other Ashby 'principles' like FOC, long narrow two blade heads, ect. that were practiced (Howard Hill shot long narrow 3x1 heads, tapered arrows and they weighed 160 grains instead of 125 like many other points from the day) but not published are key as well. A friend of mine had 2 sons that shot two whitetails each with a 20# at 24" Bear cub recurve. 440 grain total arrow weight Easton Axis skinny carbon arrows. 250 grains of point/insert shaving sharp Grizzly 2 blade heads and 12 yard shots at calm deer. All 4 deer had two holes in them.
I'm certainly not advocating this as a general rule, however if you do have a situation where you're using light equipment, get the arrow flying perfect and utilize the published Ashby principles to tip the odds in your favor.
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Post by: Blaino on April 09, 2015, 03:20:00 PM
70#'s makes working on form kinda difficult!
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Post by: Ray Lyon on April 16, 2015, 03:01:00 PM
JD Berry Northstar
Microflite #8 vintage fiberglass arrows
155 grain Grizzly broadheads
Here's to hoping there's a good story and pics next week to put on here.
Post by: on April 16, 2015, 04:28:00 PM
Let the air outta a big one!
:archer:
Post by: Cavscout9753 on April 16, 2015, 06:47:00 PM
Post by: Shinken on April 16, 2015, 08:46:00 PM
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Originally posted by Macatawa:The riser wood is fab! James is THE bowyer!
(http://i.imgur.com/LDSaEJi.jpg)
Enjoy!
Shoot straight, Shinken
:archer2:
Post by: ron w on April 17, 2015, 12:41:00 PM
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I'm sure it is "NICE"....
Can't help but to grin here :archer:
Post by: Cavscout9753 on April 17, 2015, 02:56:00 PM
Post by: nineworlds9 on April 17, 2015, 03:07:00 PM
I've got it so bad I've already talked to Steve on the phone, SUPER guy btw, and placed an order for something really special (his wait is down to only around 6 months now people!!) AND I may be acquiring a second used bow this very week.
I've got it bad.
This means the dualie shelf Redman that got me "re-infected" recently is gonna go up for sale.
I'm keeping what I ordered from Steve a surprise until it gets here around October...
:D
Post by: ron w on April 17, 2015, 04:34:00 PM
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Post by: Cavscout9753 on April 17, 2015, 11:09:00 PM
Ron, thats a fine stable you have. I am down to 2 hill bows, the vixen and the wesley. In hopes of gaining a brother to the fold I gave him use of my grizzly and red stag to see which suited him best, if he likes the shooting (hes a wheels guy) I will just give him whichever he likes best). Too many bows and I get beside myself. I honestly think next (down the road) will be a selfbow for stumping and small game. But who knows, the fever from the bug surges and I will convince myself i need another Hill I am sure. Maybe a take down... Lol
Post by: jeffg on April 20, 2015, 04:24:00 PM
Double limb tip wedges, brown glass and string follow
(http://i.imgur.com/KVK1ejRl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GRFsSqUl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tIfhEpsl.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/6VUiuMjl.jpg)
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Post by: on April 20, 2015, 05:07:00 PM
Sweet lookin' bow! :thumbsup:
How does it shoot?
Post by: Florida lime on April 20, 2015, 05:19:00 PM
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Originally posted by nineworlds9:I know what it is. :bigsmyl:
I'm keeping what I ordered from Steve a surprise until it gets here around October...
:D
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Post by: on April 20, 2015, 06:51:00 PM
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Originally posted by jeffg:Be patient...don't push yourself or be thinking too much...enjoy the long learning curve. It just gets better as the weeks, months, and even years go by.
I am still getting use to the true hill style grip. If I do my part I will soon have to limit how many arrows I shoot before I have to pull my arrows.
:campfire:
Post by: nineworlds9 on April 20, 2015, 07:11:00 PM
Jeff you'll be stackin' arrows in no time. This isn't Jeff's first Hill...Jeff is like me, we both like hi-po longbows and even recurves, but at the end of the day we just can't stay away from the simple elegance and shooter involvement of a Hill-style. Jeff, just shoot that thing like you mean it, pick a spot and push-pull that puppy til she does what you want! :D
I finally found a used Shelton. I'm lefty but can do righty well enough at 20-30yds that I can test a bow and so I found gorgeous Shedua and Elm Shelton over on AT to test drive while I wait for my new one to be built. I can even throw some leather or tape on the right side of the riser and shoot it like a selfbow with some softer arrows if I want :D
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What is great...every NM I have shot has been a shooter and so consistent, you can switch bows and still be right on.
Post by: ron w on April 20, 2015, 10:51:00 PM
Post by: nineworlds9 on April 20, 2015, 11:02:00 PM
Here's a couple pics of the Classic I now have. The way he radiuses the shelf is too cool. I just love the 2" deep almost tear drop shaped grip. Love the simple combo on this one: 3 lams of bamboo, black glass back and belly, tip wedges, and heritage walnut Dymondwood riser. This piece of Dymondwood actually has nice enough grain it almost looks like hardwood.
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/94B04EE9-C606-41C1-B1AA-26BD85D1E0CE.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/94B04EE9-C606-41C1-B1AA-26BD85D1E0CE.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/391EF7C9-B008-4691-AE2D-434BB71195A0.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/391EF7C9-B008-4691-AE2D-434BB71195A0.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/1B240A0D-6569-4D56-B8E8-8041347C823D.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/1B240A0D-6569-4D56-B8E8-8041347C823D.jpg.html)
Post by: nineworlds9 on April 20, 2015, 11:05:00 PM
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Originally posted by ron w:Cool! Gotta get a look
My new Morning Star is on a post I put up.....check it out.
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Post by: OP-archer on April 24, 2015, 04:46:00 PM
RH Carolina Night. 68" 60@28.
(http://i.imgur.com/GBNnLw2b.jpg)
Post by: cmh on April 24, 2015, 06:05:00 PM
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Originally posted by OP-archer:That's a good looking bow ;) I'm a righty and if I had a lefty I'd give it a try ;)
Just had this given to me. Too bad I am a lefty.
RH Carolina Night. 68" 60@28.
(http://i.imgur.com/GBNnLw2b.jpg)
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Post by: Ray Lyon on April 28, 2015, 12:32:00 PM
It's very dry and cooler here in MI, we need a warm rain and I think you'll hear them popping like popcorn in the woods.
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Post by: nineworlds9 on May 01, 2015, 04:59:00 PM
The Classic is one of the gentlest Hills I've encountered, while still being one of the quickest. It just sings shooting 10-11 gpp arrows. The "bump" on the shot is not unmanageable at all. Heck I've shot mild r/d bows that feel about the same.
For some reason I was expecting the Shelton to be almost dead in the hand. It is not, LOL. However, it is another factor more gentle than the Classic. Making it sweeter still to shoot. Now don't misunderstand, the Classic is a dream. Someone warned me that I would face this conundrum..it being hard to choose a favorite. LOL.
What I also noticed about the Shelton is that it is as quiet as a self bow. The Classic is already whisper quiet. The Shelton another factor so. And lastly, the Shelton seems to be more forgiving. The Classic is already easy to shoot as far as Hills go, the Shelton...just a little more. It is a longbow that seems bred for hitting your mark in the heat of the moment. Me likey.
I love both models. I talked to Steve and he said the Shelton is pound for pound perhaps 3 fps slower than the Classic...my shooting confirmed that I cannot ascertain a point of impact difference between the two bows.
Here's the Shelton. She came to me from a super fellow who lives near Kalamazoo.
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/20150501_132957.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/20150501_132957.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/20150501_132925.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/20150501_132925.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/20150501_132919.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/20150501_132919.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/20150501_132933.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/20150501_132933.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/20150501_132943.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/20150501_132943.jpg.html)
Can you tell I shoot A LOT? LOL. Thats a year worth on that bag
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/20150501_133126.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/20150501_133126.jpg.html)
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Post by: Shinken on May 02, 2015, 12:04:00 AM
Steve T. makes wonderful longbows. I have enjoyed both the Classic and the Shelton. If I had to choose only one - I would go for the Shelton.
YMMV
Keep the wind in your face!
Shoot straight, Shinken
:archer2:
Post by: jeffg on May 09, 2015, 08:11:00 PM
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Post by: nineworlds9 on May 09, 2015, 09:55:00 PM
Post by: ChuckC on May 10, 2015, 02:18:00 PM
Thank you
ChuckC
Post by: MikeNova on May 10, 2015, 03:19:00 PM
Post by: ron w on May 10, 2015, 03:54:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on May 10, 2015, 09:30:00 PM
Steve's bows are 3/16 from center + leather plate, the riser is 16"
Post by: nineworlds9 on May 10, 2015, 09:33:00 PM
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Originally posted by ChuckC:C', on the 66" Shelton- riser measured from the very tip of one fadeout to the other I get 16". That bow is 4 lams of red elm.
Chuck, how close to center cut is that Shelton ? When you have a chance, can you please tell the length of the riser in that thing ?
Thank you
ChuckC
Interestingly on the 68" Classic it measured 15".
And that bow is 3 lams of boo.
Post by: Trad Longbow Joe on May 15, 2015, 06:47:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on May 15, 2015, 08:56:00 AM
I didn't notice any benefit but I'm certainly not Howard. Suspect it's an old school thing.
Besides, I'd probably rattle the arrow off the rest and spook deer without it.
Post by: mike g on May 15, 2015, 09:36:00 AM
What is the meaning of "ASL".
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Post by: on May 15, 2015, 08:54:00 PM
I did not want this to get even more confusicating. That's a real word.
Post by: centaur on May 19, 2015, 04:55:00 PM
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_1788_zpsrx4elwqp.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_1788_zpsrx4elwqp.jpg.html)
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on May 19, 2015, 11:42:00 PM
And you guys waiting on your new NM...... Well just hang in there , I like to sing songs to pass the time
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Post by: mike g on May 20, 2015, 09:45:00 AM
The part I don't understand is the Semi part, How long dose it have to be to not be Semi..
Post by: David Mitchell on May 20, 2015, 09:54:00 AM
The language in archery can be confusing. Now the term "D shaped bow" generally is used to refer to the over-all look of longbows that have no reflex showing when strung but look like the letter D. In older times a D bow had a thicker limb that in cross section looked like the letter D--flat on the back and round on the belly. Now the term "flat bow" is used to refer to a "longbow" that has wider and generally thinner limbs than the ASLs--more similar to a recurve limb. I hope I am making myself clear. Everyone does not use the language in the same way these days :confused: .......Dave
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Post by: two4hooking on May 21, 2015, 08:23:00 AM
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Originally posted by Trad Longbow Joe:I don't feel the need for anything.
I just got back my Schulz longbow after Nate Steen refinished the longbow. Nate did an outstanding job and replaced the leather grip and arrow plate. I was wondering how many ASL shooters do not have any material on the arrow plate area? I heard Howard didn't use anything and was just wondering.
Post by: Ray Lyon on May 21, 2015, 11:31:00 AM
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Post by: Cavscout9753 on May 28, 2015, 08:26:00 PM
Soap Creek, I love how it turned out. You build an excellent quiver! The oil broke it down perfectly, I've spent some down time working it in between intervals of cooking in the sun. It folds in all the right places. I just can't imagine anything else. Im able to bend over, move quietly, the whole works. Thanks again!
Post by: Bowitis on May 28, 2015, 09:31:00 PM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on May 29, 2015, 07:14:00 PM
Even had lunch out with John, his buddy Walter Renner, and Steve Turay.
That's right! Eat your hearts out. I'll add more Monday when I get home.
Post by: ron w on May 29, 2015, 07:20:00 PM
Post by: Gordon Jabben on May 29, 2015, 07:37:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on May 29, 2015, 07:51:00 PM
I wish I could have been a spectator or better yet a participate.
:archer:
Post by: Ray Lyon on May 29, 2015, 08:57:00 PM
Post by: sou-pawbowhunter on May 30, 2015, 11:15:00 AM
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on May 30, 2015, 11:11:00 PM
His bows were quick and smooth shooting.
He lived in Casper, Wyoming when he started building bows in ernest. I lost track of Ron in the 80's.
He was a good man.
Post by: sou-pawbowhunter on May 31, 2015, 07:30:00 AM
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 02, 2015, 08:10:00 AM
They were riding along down the road when a nice buck was spotted about 40 yards away in the trees. It was decided that Dick would take the shot so he nocked an arrow and squared away to take the shot.
In his target style Dick came to full draw, lined up on the buck and steadied his aim. Before he could release the buck moved a few steps and Dick let the bow down.
Starting over Dick repeated the deliberate process only to have the buck move again.
Since the muley hadn't gone anywhere Dick came to anchor a third time with similar results to the first two attempts.
Exasperated Howard exclaimed, "I can't take it anymore!" and swinging his bow up in that famous casual style shot the buck right through the ribs.
With the story finished John added in an emotion filled husky voice, "that was my friend Howard Hill".
Post by: two4hooking on June 02, 2015, 08:44:00 AM
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Post by: two4hooking on June 03, 2015, 09:56:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 04, 2015, 07:32:00 PM
John said that Howard really stressed knowing what your "point on" distance is. John said it puts everything else in perspective... and no he wasn't talking about a point of aim system of shooting.
It is John's opinion that Howard used the split vision system early on but quit due to shooting a lot of archery golf, where that system was of little use.
Post by: two4hooking on June 05, 2015, 08:13:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 05, 2015, 08:25:00 AM
Since I mentioned Dan... John said that had Dan not put his eye out in a bowstringing accident his own career in archery might have been much different.
He said Dan was a much better shot than he was.
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 05, 2015, 12:52:00 PM
For the new guy having some sort of reference can greatly accelerate the process of learning instinctive memory.
One more thing... just to put the rumors to rest. According to John, Howard was left eye dominant. I would never have believed it.
Post by: two4hooking on June 05, 2015, 01:38:00 PM
I just went out and did some shooting to figure out mine as I never really paid attention to the point of my arrow in aiming. I placed my aiming point and walked back aways about where I thought I would be in the ballpark. Shot 4 arrows and damned if they didn't all land closely around my spot. Amazing what the brain will do once conditioned. The second end confirmed my results.
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 05, 2015, 11:16:00 PM
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Post by: ScouterMike on June 06, 2015, 08:24:00 AM
I talked with Bob Wesley several years ago at length and came to the conclusion his system would not work for me. The "indirect" part will create two images and everything falls apart from there. His teaching on form really helped though.
When my eyes get tired, say late at a 3d shoot on a bright day, I will see two targets, not good. I mentioned all this to highlight the accomplishments of Howard Hill. Being cross eye dominant adds a whole new meaning to split vision.
When I discovered ASLs I studied John Schulz Hitting Them Like Howard Hill and his video and that worked. Funny, it is the same basic instruction I got from Stacy Groscup years ago...
Looking forward to more details about John's training class and stories. What a great opportunity that must have been!
Post by: Mudd on June 06, 2015, 08:19:00 PM
I don't see my arrow when I am shooting and have tried for years to figure out how to find my "point on" distance to no avail.
Please help me out here but "be nice".
Thank you!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Homebru on June 06, 2015, 08:36:00 PM
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Originally posted by Mudd:Mudd,
I hate to admit being this ignorant but I have a confession.
I don't see my arrow when I am shooting and have tried for years to figure out how to find my "point on" distance to no avail.
Please help me out here but "be nice".
Thank you!
God bless,Mudd
You have to consciously and overtly place the tip of your arrow (visually) on the spot you want to hit. Similar to the gap shown below but you put the tip of the arrow on the center of the target.
You move forward / backward as needed until the arrow hits the target exactly where it was supposed to. You measure your distance from the target and voila', you have your "point on" distance.
Now, this is only relevant for that set of arrows of that length. If you end up with some sets of arrows longer or shorter based upon tuning, those sets will have a slightly different "point on" distance.
Hope this helps
homebru
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Post by: Mudd on June 06, 2015, 09:13:00 PM
What would be a good distance to begin at?
Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 06, 2015, 10:42:00 PM
If it's a bad thing to shoot over your target then start long. Like 55-60 yards. The worst that would happen is the arrow would fall short. Slowly move the distance to target closer until you are on.
Closing one eye might help in this process.
I double checked my point on yesterday. Stepped off 40 paces and proceeded to shoot 8 arrows into a group about a foot wide and damn near all perfect for elevation.
Did the same today and my first 2 arrows went right over my back stop. Go figure.
Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 06, 2015, 10:56:00 PM
No walking back and forth shooting and pulling arrows.
Now since the weather has gotten good I'm working on it big time. Coupled with John Schulz's class and his suggestions on what I need to work on I'm form shooting (15 ft. no target) almost exclusively for at least the next couple of weeks.
Right now I'm shooting 8 arrows per round and 6 rounds. Both my strength and my form are improving. Groups are getting tighter and my release a lot better... I wasn't consistent at all with my longbows.
I'm shooting both morning and evening now.
Post by: on June 07, 2015, 01:37:00 AM
Post by: Gordon Jabben on June 07, 2015, 06:52:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 07, 2015, 08:12:00 AM
Gordon. Typically I shoot towards the first arrow with each successive shot. It would be almost impossible for me to shoot and not pick something to shoot at almost immediately.
The trick is to forget about where the arrow is impacting. Your focus should be on proper execution of the shot. Once form is grooved in the arrows will start stacking up.
Since I have a large dirt butt to shoot into I guess I could point my arrow at a new area each shot. I may try that.
Post by: Green on June 07, 2015, 11:45:00 AM
John's seminar last weekend has received a lot of discussion across the boards. So much respect for the mans' contributions to bowhunting as he carried forth the Howard Hill torch. :thumbsup:
Post by: Mudd on June 08, 2015, 01:46:00 PM
With one bow it's 40 yards and with a couple of others of a newer design it's 50 yards.
I am going to keep at this for awhile then evaluate as to how it might or might not fit it with my style of shooting.
Thanks to all who jumped in here to help me get it through this thick skull exactly what "point on" is and how to get there.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: two4hooking on June 08, 2015, 04:47:00 PM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 08, 2015, 08:07:00 PM
Center of the bow should be 1 1/4" below the top of the grip. Says that way it lines up with the bones in the wrist providing natural pointing and strength.
Chew on that.
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 09, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
Post by: snakebit40 on June 12, 2015, 03:16:00 PM
So I ordered a SBD string the same length, it finally arrived and it measures 59 1/8 giving me a 7 3/4 inch BH. I strung it over for a few days hoping the string would stretch. Well after shooting it a little, putting wax on it and heating it up with leather, and leaving it strung for a couple days. No stretch.
So my question(s) is will I hurt the bow shooting it with a 7 3/4 inch BH? Can I do something else to stretch the string?
Post by: on June 12, 2015, 04:04:00 PM
Post by: snakebit40 on June 12, 2015, 06:35:00 PM
All measurements were taken off the bow. I'll try and un twist it. I didn't know how much I can do and still keep the strings integrity. I'll try it and see what happens.
I remember watching Steve Fausel on MOBB vol.2 and seeing his BH being more than "normal". So my biggest concern is, will I hurt my bow shooting with a 7 3/4 inch BH.
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Post by: GregD on June 13, 2015, 09:18:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 13, 2015, 11:26:00 AM
As a matter of fact I tend to shake my head a little when I hear of brace heights 6 1/2" or more on Hill style bows.
I've never had any problem with mine braced between 5 12" to 6". Howard Hill said the string should "bite" your wrist a little and it takes a low brace to do that.
It also makes an armguard an important accessory.
Post by: snakebit40 on June 13, 2015, 12:15:00 PM
I also think I'm giving up performance with such a high BH. My bow is a 64". I thought it was weird that the Flemish measures 59 1/2". I HATE the thought of buying a new string but I guess that's what I'll have to do. Thanks for the advice guys, I really appreciate it!
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Post by: Blaino on June 13, 2015, 03:38:00 PM
I'm with the other guys on the BH of a hill bow.... Low is the way to go! I like mine right at 6".
Do you know how to make your own strings? If not, then you should learn.
Post by: Green on June 14, 2015, 06:59:00 AM
Pavan, tough call, but relative to "a bow is a bow"....if your wife follows this logic, then just tell her "a pair of shoes is a pair of shoes". :D
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Post by: Mudd on June 15, 2015, 09:21:00 AM
I have given away bows, none of which I would ever expect to return home.
But I have "loaned" out bows that I wanted to return so they could be used for another person getting started but as yet they've never come home nor do I expect they ever will, too many years have passed.
God bless, Mudd
PS: Only one of two guitars that I loaned our youth pastor (10 years ago) ever came back to me...
Post by: cmh on June 15, 2015, 11:18:00 AM
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Originally posted by pavan:Sounds like a real good day when not one but two fine bows make it back home ;)
I got two bows back today that I gave away six or seven years ago. A nice little Cheetah and a super slim Big 5. I shot a deer with both of them when they were new. That skinny Big 5 is one of the finest shooting bows that I ever had. Now I don't know what to do.
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Post by: Ray Lyon on June 15, 2015, 07:10:00 PM
In the early 80's I was shooting an 86# Howard Hill Big Five longbow and Microflite #12 arrows with Zwickey Delta 2 blade heads. Then I went to an Easton XX75 Autumn Orange arrow because I thought they were better. I gave Steve Turay a dozen plus of those #12 Microflite arrows in the mid nineties that I had left and hadnt used in years and I'm sure he felt the same way then as I felt now about getting these Forgewood arrows. He loves Microflite arrows with Pearson Deadheads on the front end.
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Post by: jeffg on June 17, 2015, 05:51:00 PM
I don't know the formula for KE but I doubt if 3-4fps makes much difference. The B50 was a little quieter with a light thump. The was a little less thumb but a little noisier with the Rhino. The Rhino I use are top shelf strings and would probably out last a B50
$15.00 verses $25.00 the choice what is 3-4fps and a little less thump worth. The jury is still out for me.
Post by: WESTBROOK on June 17, 2015, 07:21:00 PM
Funny thing...I used to be the biggest Dacron string hater...Buuuutt all I had actually tried was the "newer & better B55". I got a Shulz Tembo a little while ago and Nate put a B50 on it...the thing shot like a dream...no thump, no vibration and deathly silent and no real perceptable performance difference.
I'm at the age where I like things simple, don't have time to mess around with unnecessary stuff like padding loops..double serving..string silencers...I'll take 16 strands of B50, serve it & shoot it.
So I guess I'm just a B55 hater now..
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Post by: two4hooking on June 18, 2015, 09:29:00 AM
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Originally posted by WESTBROOK:My thoughts exactly! Keep it simple and effective.
I'm at the age where I like things simple, don't have time to mess around with unnecessary stuff like padding loops..double serving..string silencers...I'll take 16 strands of B50, serve it & shoot it.
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Post by: Ray Lyon on June 19, 2015, 06:16:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:X2 and I feel the kangaroo is almost as slick as cordovan
Those American Leathers kangaroo gloves are really good. All of the needed padding without the bulk, my new favorite.
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Post by: Blaino on June 25, 2015, 08:51:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqBVP1OxcQk
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Post by: WESTBROOK on June 28, 2015, 08:17:00 PM
Steve's Classic is my bow of choice.
I recently aquired an old HH Tembo that was made by Mr.Schulz. The tallented Nate Steen nocked a few pounds off it and cleaned it up. That is a heck of a bow!
Post by: Ray Lyon on June 29, 2015, 10:02:00 AM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on June 29, 2015, 10:25:00 PM
It's red glass back, grey belly, riser is beautiful but I don't know its composite. Heat treated bamboo core.
The master himself
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Post by: Shinken on June 30, 2015, 12:15:00 AM
Enjoy!
Shoot straight, Shinken
:archer2:
Post by: Mudd on June 30, 2015, 09:39:00 AM
Post by: Kopper1013 on June 30, 2015, 08:17:00 PM
My questions are
Many seem to say a reverse handle longbow is less apt to be affected by hand torque and easier to shoot than a traditional hill style bow, if this is so why don't more people order/shoot them? Seems most guys here shoot traditional hill.
Same seems to go for slight string follow longbows?
It seems there are a lot of different grip styles, straight, dished, locator, ect. Unfortunately I'm not really able to make shoots to try out many or any different style grips, I'm currently a hight wrist recurve shooter (I know this will be a huge change but want to give it a shot) what are the advantages/disadvantages to some of these grips? If any of you have made a move like me what grips did you find most comfortable/easiest to pick up from such a huge move?
Thanks
Post by: kevsuperg on June 30, 2015, 08:34:00 PM
the way i understand it, the reverse handle puts your hands pressure inline with the limbs rather than behind them. equals less torque.
i don't know about all that but i will say i shoot this bow better than any others i have owned. just point and shoot.
dont know where you live in NY but if you can, try and make it to ETAR in pennsylvania. the best cure for the bow-curious.
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Post by: JDBerry on July 01, 2015, 03:25:00 PM
Okie, YOU HAVE A WINNER COMING.
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Post by: Mudd on July 08, 2015, 08:50:00 AM
The animals that are killed with "slow" bows NEVER KNOW THE DIFFERENCE...LOL
God bless,Mudd
Post by: jeffg on July 08, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
10 gpp is about the lightest weight I want to go. To light just for speed goes the other way.
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Post by: jeffg on July 08, 2015, 03:42:00 PM
I just started shooting longbows recently instead of recurves and there are differences that I am learning.
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Post by: Hermon on July 08, 2015, 05:22:00 PM
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Originally posted by jeffg:I bought a chrony a couple years ago and I feel this is the best use of it. To be able to tell when I am being consistent. I don't give a hoot what the speed is, as long as they are nearly the same each shot.
I was just shooting through the chrony. I evidently was not pulling it back to anchor, once I consistently got to anchor the average speed is 169 that is a whole lot better. The chrony not only tells me the speed but knowing that helps me to concentrate on bringing the bow to full draw. So it is not all about speed but consistency.
Post by: Bob B. on July 08, 2015, 08:57:00 PM
500gr @ 160 fps ... if you multiply 500 x 160 and divide by 225218 ( gravitational coefficient ) you get a slug force of .355 - meaning the momentum of the arrow.
Ideally, .36 is the target number for deer. That said, if you have good arrow flight, a sharp 2 blade broadhead and are shooting 20 yards or less, you should be fine. I think you could kill a lot of animals with that set up as long as you do not push the range. I have killed a lot of animals with 500 grain arrows and speed of 160 - 165 fps. Usually I did not get complete pass throughs but did get arrow sticking out of both sides.
Good luck and good hunting.
Bob.
Post by: on July 09, 2015, 02:51:00 PM
Reminds me of when I told my wife to not shoot past 20 yards with her 38 pound bow at her draw with 425 grain arrows. She proudly showed me an arrow covered back to front in blood and declared that she waited until the deer was on the closer trail. I thought wow, she shot it at 6 yards. She was referring to the old cow paths on the hill, not the current little deer trails. Her closer trail was 32 yards away, the deer went down in about 50 yards in a clump of cedar shrub.
Reminds me of another one. A big dude, he thought he was a big dude, that shot a 70 pound Herters recurve, kept at me because those Hill longbows did not have enough power to kill a deer. At that time I had a 50 pounder, a 60 pounder and an 89 pounder. He invited me to shoot my 2020s out of both bows as proof. The Herters put out a faster arrow than the heavy bow and that is all the proof he needed, because he shot four deer and never got the arrow coming out the other side. He showed me his arrows, 2219 29" long, swedged both ends and Bodkin heads, they flew terrible and he about gave himself a hernia twisting and torquing to get the bow back. That year, I shot a deer late in the season with a 55 pound Bear takedown, he couldn't have prouder for thinking that he changed my evil longbow ways.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 14, 2015, 01:05:00 PM
Out there taking names on the course
A compel of ol timers who might know a thing or two about building and shooting longbows
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Shick
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Okie, Ms. Pinky is hot, Like any good longbow, she will tell you, what you are doing "right/wrong" in form, You should see the Morning star that's going out tomarrow, its a knock out. ..OE
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 15, 2015, 12:11:00 AM
I have been telling James for a while now to take pics of these bows and send them to me before he mails them for that very reason
He is hardheaded though and won't listen lol
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Post by: jwhitetail on July 15, 2015, 01:02:00 AM
Soon I'll post pics of my new Misty Dawn!
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And one of me trying to beat this joker...
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Post by: Green on July 15, 2015, 05:45:00 AM
James....I want a couple of those shirts!
Post by: Mudd on July 15, 2015, 08:29:00 AM
It's on my bucket list to: Pin up a dollar bill with Mr OE's signature on it to my trophy wall.
:archer:
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Post by: CHENRYIV on July 15, 2015, 04:17:00 PM
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Originally posted by centaur:Centaur, you must be a mind reader.
OE, how do we get a shirt??
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 16, 2015, 07:50:00 AM
I don't high polish my blades, but I do like a good smooth sharp blade, my particular styles leaves them slightly rough but not toothed and it seems to be the best of both worlds for me.
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 16, 2015, 10:49:00 AM
I accidentally rendered a few of my useless last year by getting over zealous on my practice also
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Misty Dawn.68 inch 57@28 walnut core,Brazilian walnut riser,bamboo encasement,maple root system veneer back and belly.....OOOOBOY can't wait..I'll post pic's when I get her. Burt
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(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x353/bsv1960/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-07/33B22B4F-1FC6-4997-B57A-4DD3FEA6D6F0.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bsv1960/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-07/33B22B4F-1FC6-4997-B57A-4DD3FEA6D6F0.jpg.html)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x353/bsv1960/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-07/AC89E0E5-4BB9-48DC-BE11-1AD4E061D811.jpg) (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/bsv1960/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-07/AC89E0E5-4BB9-48DC-BE11-1AD4E061D811.jpg.html)
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these pics don't do this masterpice justice I'll try to get better ones....Burt
Post by: on July 23, 2015, 07:32:00 PM
Post by: Green on July 23, 2015, 07:52:00 PM
Post by: bsv on July 23, 2015, 08:02:00 PM
Post by: centaur on July 23, 2015, 08:14:00 PM
http://www.wildrosegraphics.com
They are in Spokane, so even a one eyed old sailor should be able to find them. My preference would be a black or dark green, size L. :bigsmyl:
Burt, that is a nice looking bow. I bet it shoots as good as it looks.
Post by: on July 23, 2015, 08:28:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 23, 2015, 08:54:00 PM
I see you decided to jump on his stash of black walnut. James has some amazing walnut and it makes a heck of a bow
Post by: JDBerry on July 23, 2015, 10:39:00 PM
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Post by: Green on July 24, 2015, 06:30:00 PM
Post by: JDBerry on July 24, 2015, 06:31:00 PM
PS They are not a cheap made tee-shirt.
Post by: bsv on July 24, 2015, 06:57:00 PM
pm sent
Post by: 4dogs on July 24, 2015, 07:05:00 PM
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Post by: Green on July 24, 2015, 08:42:00 PM
Post by: Mirkwood Archer on July 24, 2015, 10:13:00 PM
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Post by: JDBerry on July 24, 2015, 11:17:00 PM
ETA with shirts, 2 weeks. ..OE
Post by: CHENRYIV on July 25, 2015, 01:50:00 AM
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Post by: TexasKing on July 27, 2015, 08:31:00 AM
I have to be on this list for 2-XL's for Jake and I, short sleeve of any color.
Please PM on how much to send
thanks!
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Post by: Jim Picarelli on July 28, 2015, 07:23:00 AM
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2nqxuvp.jpg)
Post by: Ray Lyon on July 28, 2015, 09:51:00 AM
(http:// [url=http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/20150727_184448_zps5euh8hyw.jpg.html] [img]http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/20150727_184448_zps5euh8hyw.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]
Post by: Mirkwood Archer on July 28, 2015, 03:04:00 PM
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Post by: Green on July 29, 2015, 07:51:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on July 29, 2015, 08:19:00 PM
If I could talk him into green glass, I'd have another Morningstar comming with green glass. It's it's own sickness, the Berry bug and all
Post by: Okie man on July 29, 2015, 09:31:00 PM
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Post by: CHENRYIV on July 30, 2015, 02:11:00 PM
Post by: soap creek on August 01, 2015, 10:01:00 PM
Post by: soap creek on August 01, 2015, 10:04:00 PM
I know its not the typical Hill style riser, but what a pleasure to shoot. It sure doesn't disappoint.
Post by: Ray Lyon on August 02, 2015, 06:00:00 AM
Post by: centaur on August 02, 2015, 07:08:00 AM
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Originally posted by CHENRYIV:Chenry forgot to mention that OE is, of late, a tee shirt magnate as well as a bow making guy. With luck, some of us will be sporting his shirts this hunting season.
Definitely can't go wrong wth a OE ASL. I've been bitten by the "Berry Bug" like most around here. I have a Vixen on the way and already thinking about a "Misty Dawn", and did I mention, he's a classy guy to deal with also. :goldtooth:
Post by: Hermon on August 02, 2015, 08:20:00 AM
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Originally posted by Ray Lyon:You are correct Ray! :thumbsup:
String follow and almost a reverse handle -----yep that will make a great shooter.
Post by: Charlie Lamb on August 02, 2015, 09:51:00 AM
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on August 02, 2015, 03:21:00 PM
Of course it didn't affect Howard's accuracy... just us peons. :D
Post by: Jim Picarelli on August 02, 2015, 04:32:00 PM
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Post by: Green on August 07, 2015, 05:06:00 PM
:archer:
Post by: nineworlds9 on August 07, 2015, 08:40:00 PM
That being said my Hill saga continues. Sold the 66" Shelton I had in order to acquire a 68" HH Robin Hood 55@28 #50 of 50 from Hawken1911. Couldn't pass it up as its a locator grip which I love AND a dualie! Can't wait for it to arrive. I will post lots of pics when it comes.
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Post by: CHENRYIV on August 09, 2015, 02:42:00 PM
(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/Bows/D1AC662A-2647-48D0-BED3-36EB4489CB6D_zpsjggh0mhr.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/Bows/D1AC662A-2647-48D0-BED3-36EB4489CB6D_zpsjggh0mhr.jpg.html)
(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/Bows/AD53D45C-4F95-4BD4-9294-7F1961A19B8D_zps0eqzn1az.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/Bows/AD53D45C-4F95-4BD4-9294-7F1961A19B8D_zps0eqzn1az.jpg.html)
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JD Berry "Vixen"
35th Anniversary Edition #2 of 7
64", 54# @ 25"
Post by: Overspined on August 09, 2015, 03:45:00 PM
Here u go Pavan. I just add an ibeam in the middle so I can cut the shelves in normally.
Post by: Overspined on August 09, 2015, 03:51:00 PM
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(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/Arquilla%20Creek%20Archery/28D8B8FF-F94E-4F12-B05A-66AF9B6F4A5C_zpsddeig26y.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/Arquilla%20Creek%20Archery/28D8B8FF-F94E-4F12-B05A-66AF9B6F4A5C_zpsddeig26y.jpg.html)
Post by: Green on August 09, 2015, 04:17:00 PM
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Post by: nineworlds9 on August 09, 2015, 06:11:00 PM
Post by: neargeezer on August 09, 2015, 07:20:00 PM
Overspined, what is the backing on the dual shelf bow. It appears somewhat like green stained curly maple, looks good.
I like the takedown on the second bow. Do you make those beautiful bows?
Post by: Mudd on August 10, 2015, 07:39:00 AM
:archer:
Post by: Overspined on August 11, 2015, 01:51:00 AM
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Post by: neargeezer on August 11, 2015, 10:24:00 AM
Post by: JDBerry on August 11, 2015, 05:47:00 PM
your shipping address and tel. # make to JD Berry. ..OE
Post by: Green on August 11, 2015, 06:00:00 PM
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Post by: ron w on August 11, 2015, 07:17:00 PM
Post by: Florida lime on August 11, 2015, 07:41:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:
Dang my check is in the mail, I forgot to ask about the postage. I will need to pay that with my second shirt, or something.
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Originally posted by JDBerry:I think shipping is postage, pavan. :D
Cost is $21.00 per shirt with shipping...OE
Post by: bsv on August 11, 2015, 08:22:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 11, 2015, 09:58:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 11, 2015, 09:59:00 PM
That is one beautiful scarlet!!!
Matt,
I remember some of the first bows you posted you built, I think using a buddy's tools, they were sharp, your newest creations are looking down right amazing. Great work
Post by: on August 11, 2015, 11:33:00 PM
Just kidding, I am getting the first one,(not wanting him to sell out and leave anyone without), then next week I will get another. I cannot decide if I want two left handers or one of each.
Post by: Green on August 12, 2015, 04:40:00 AM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 12, 2015, 04:51:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on August 12, 2015, 05:28:00 PM
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/Arquilla%20Creek%20Archery/8E6B1AD4-6FB2-49A3-8C8C-CC15CA208B74_zpsh140duzv.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/Arquilla%20Creek%20Archery/8E6B1AD4-6FB2-49A3-8C8C-CC15CA208B74_zpsh140duzv.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 12, 2015, 05:34:00 PM
Post by: Green on August 12, 2015, 08:16:00 PM
That'll work, right?
Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 12, 2015, 08:39:00 PM
Post by: Florida lime on August 12, 2015, 08:53:00 PM
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Originally posted by Green:(http://advrider.com/styles/advrider_smilies/snork.gif)
Brian, James said your shirt is "special". Every bowyer needs a staff shooter, and you're it I guess. He asked me to spell your name and we wrestled with that for a bit....in the end, we just put "Cait" over the breast pocket area.
That'll work, right?
Soda on the keyboard. :D
Post by: Green on August 12, 2015, 08:54:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 14, 2015, 02:54:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Szys9uH.jpg)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 14, 2015, 04:47:00 PM
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Post by: nineworlds9 on August 15, 2015, 08:46:00 PM
I figured there are not a lot of pics of the limited editions around so here's some to change that.
Howard Hill "Robin Hood", limited edition #50 of 50. Texas Ebony riser with silver Robin Hood hat inlay, riser behind the lams, 4 laminations of selected Yew, backed with blonde bamboo, clear glass. Tip overlays of Texas Ebony and Mammoth Ivory. 68" 55@28. Locator grip AND a dual shelf! What a find!
She's also a string follow profile, so I'm pleased to report that she's a shooter. So far, I think this puppy holds its own with a Shelton. I think the Shelton has a slight edge, but not by much. I'm really enjoying the locator grip, its one of the main reasons I snagged this one.
I may have Big Jim throw on a new beavertail grip and rests this coming weekend when I attend the shoot he's doing at his place.
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/20150815_201417.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/20150815_201417.jpg.html)
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Post by: Florida lime on August 15, 2015, 09:14:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 15, 2015, 11:00:00 PM
Post by: soap creek on August 16, 2015, 07:52:00 AM
Post by: Green on August 16, 2015, 10:10:00 AM
Post by: on August 16, 2015, 02:41:00 PM
Post by: Florida lime on August 16, 2015, 03:14:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan::laughing:
So my next one, that should just about do it.
Post by: nineworlds9 on August 16, 2015, 03:30:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:I agree about the lighter color on the belly. I guess the reason Craig did the blonde bamboo on the back was so that it looked like the sap wood layer on a self yew ELB, hence the Robin Hood association of this particular model aside from Hill himself. I will give you first dibs on this one if I let it go. Which is entirely possible. Because I'm a bow whore. (As described endearingly by Big Jim)
Niner, I would want the white on the belly, so I could see the bow in low light conditions. I am a switch hitter, I should have a bow like that. NOo, I should not have a bow like that, because then my wife would think that I would need only one bow. Actually, we are nuts in a way. One good Hill style longbow should do it. So my next one, that should just about do it.
Post by: on August 16, 2015, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 16, 2015, 05:38:00 PM
ever since last year i've done gone full circle with my trad bows, back to my roots, the hh style longbow. the hh is not particularly a bow for tree stands or bush country, as the shorties will be easier in those kinda hunt venues where wielding a 68" stick can either take careful maneuvering or the need to vacate for another spot. still, where there's room to draw-aim-release, a hill style is just my fave, maybe yours too.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 16, 2015, 05:58:00 PM
Post by: centaur on August 17, 2015, 01:42:00 PM
Now, I have to go out and get some critter blood on these shirts.
Post by: centaur on August 17, 2015, 01:43:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 17, 2015, 04:17:00 PM
Post by: JDBerry on August 17, 2015, 04:49:00 PM
I cant spell big words, but I will say it the best I can. You guys have designed the bows, telling me the likes and dislikes and what you wanted in a ASL. I have always felt we are a team. ..OE
Post by: ron w on August 17, 2015, 04:53:00 PM
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Post by: Florida lime on August 18, 2015, 06:25:00 PM
Very nice shirt - I love the dark green color, and it's longer in body than some of my T-shirts, so it fits better for me.
Thanks OE. :thumbsup:
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There is a good story to the mountain goat also
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Post by: Mudd on August 21, 2015, 08:08:00 AM
Good Job!!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: soap creek on August 21, 2015, 05:02:00 PM
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 24, 2015, 07:48:00 AM
Your quivers are amazing!!!!!!
Post by: soap creek on August 24, 2015, 05:12:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on August 24, 2015, 05:40:00 PM
Keep up the good work!
God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Florida lime on August 27, 2015, 04:18:00 PM
No pictures yet - is that a good sign, or a bad one ? :bigsmyl:
Post by: Brianlocal3 on August 27, 2015, 06:00:00 PM
Pavan is probably in new JD Berry coma right now. It's a side effect of shooting a new JD Berry bow, it's too much goodness for the senses to handle
Post by: on August 27, 2015, 08:22:00 PM
Oh yes, the bow. I always thought that no sight window bows would require a lighter spined arrow. I tested a 27" bop 45 pound@28 with 125 grain point Wapiti cedar, a 48 pound@28 27" bop with 145 Wapiti cedar, 27" 1818s one with a 125 and one with a 135 point, 1918s one with a 175 point and one with 200 grain point both 27" bop, one 28" bop with four four inch left wing and 135 grain point, one 28" with three five inch right wing, cock feather in and 135 up front. Two number 8 microflites with 125 grain glue-on and one piece ferrule 27" bop. One surewood fir tapered with four five inch 57 pound and one with three five and a half inch with 160 up front 58 pound. Finally one 54 pound 27" bop wapiti tapered cedar with 5&1/2" left wing with a left wing Hill broadhead and one 53 pound wapiti cedar with a 160 grain single bevel Hill right wing with three five inch right wing feathers. They all fly good with the only change being about a 1/4" of brace drop for the lighter spines. I am just going to go with the 50-55 cedars with 160 up front for now and a six inch brace. This bow is quick, accurate, the grip works good in my hand and could easily become my primary bow, and it looks really cool. I have no batteries for the digital camera, I will get some. Thank you James
Post by: nineworlds9 on August 27, 2015, 09:52:00 PM
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Me, photobucket and this new computer do not get along. I will try one.
(http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab283/pavanldb/longbows/e207b6db-9a26-45c4-b26d-41900fe43d16_zpswmauqfkh.jpg) (http://s872.photobucket.com/user/pavanldb/media/longbows/e207b6db-9a26-45c4-b26d-41900fe43d16_zpswmauqfkh.jpg.html)
Post by: jeffg on August 31, 2015, 11:32:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/pn3r9jul.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/2TG5aQbl.png)
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Post by: on August 31, 2015, 11:35:00 PM
(http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab283/pavanldb/longbows/a17c7ea4-da0d-40d7-9b75-25da2d37c8aa_zpsp1bxzwlp.jpg) (http://s872.photobucket.com/user/pavanldb/media/longbows/a17c7ea4-da0d-40d7-9b75-25da2d37c8aa_zpsp1bxzwlp.jpg.html)
Post by: Hermon on September 01, 2015, 07:44:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on September 01, 2015, 08:29:00 AM
:archer:
Post by: Green on September 01, 2015, 05:01:00 PM
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Post by: Jim Picarelli on September 05, 2015, 10:17:00 PM
(http://i58.tinypic.com/hslzk1.6)
Post by: Cavscout9753 on September 05, 2015, 10:51:00 PM
Post by: Jim Picarelli on September 05, 2015, 11:16:00 PM
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Post by: two4hooking on September 09, 2015, 09:29:00 AM
Elk did not cooperate....
Post by: alex321 on September 09, 2015, 09:50:00 AM
Cheers
Alex
Post by: Mud_Slide_Slim on September 09, 2015, 03:42:00 PM
Bill-
(http://i.imgur.com/TDYt2xK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cnEY120.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SLr5ZhS.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/FpUZaZR.jpg)
Post by: NBK on September 10, 2015, 12:29:00 AM
Any quick comparison to other similar bows?
Post by: Linwood Hines on September 10, 2015, 12:45:00 AM
Post by: two4hooking on September 10, 2015, 07:50:00 AM
Post by: 58WINTERS on September 10, 2015, 12:09:00 PM
That is a semi reverse handle in the Boice bow hence the different look. Very resistant to grip torque. My Boice is the easiest bow I own to pick up and shoot accurately. I love my Hill's but the Boice is so forgiving.
58
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 10, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
Allens personal take on the ASL
Post by: on September 10, 2015, 11:19:00 PM
Post by: Mud_Slide_Slim on September 11, 2015, 05:55:00 AM
For a string follow, it is quite fast...which really surprised me. I had a Super D which is known for its quietness, but this bow is much quieter than that bow was. Just awesome.
Pavan, this bow may just get the nod for the season opener which isn't til October 3rd. Plenty of time to get acquainted.
Bill-
Post by: Green on September 11, 2015, 08:40:00 AM
This bow is the most natural shooting bow I've ever shot. It is so similar in natural pointing capabilities to my selfbows, that I no longer struggle to get the arrow under my target with a glass bow......it's just there. Thank You James and Brianlocal for collaborating to produce a sensational ASL!
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1914.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1914.jpg.html)
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1916.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1916.jpg.html)
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1917.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1917.jpg.html)
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1918.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1918.jpg.html)
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1919.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1919.jpg.html)
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1920.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1920.jpg.html)
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1925.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1925.jpg.html)
The bow is 68" NtN, String follow, tempered bamboo core lams, brown glass on the back, Black Locust on the belly, and a gorgeous edge grained Osage riser. There are no overlays or wedges in the tips (FF compatible though) as James and Brian decided this one should be as true to the past as possible. In addition to being a true natural pointer, it is quiet as you'd expect, and packed with performance.
James.....Thank You! I look forward to another one next year!
Post by: Green on September 11, 2015, 08:42:00 AM
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1928.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1928.jpg.html)
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1927.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_1927.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 11, 2015, 11:13:00 AM
That's Is a heck of a bow, and screams true classic American semi-longbow.
The name Heritage fits it to a T
Post by: Cavscout9753 on September 11, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 11, 2015, 02:42:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on September 11, 2015, 06:51:00 PM
:archer:
PS: I want one !!!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 11, 2015, 08:49:00 PM
Your not allowed to have one!!! You would go go Sherwood and never be able to return to this world, it will take you deep into the past
Post by: JDBerry on September 11, 2015, 09:21:00 PM
Mudd when you get a chance to hold a Heritage, I will meet you in Sherwood. Im already there, waiting ..OE
Post by: on September 11, 2015, 09:37:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on September 11, 2015, 11:47:00 PM
Get me in there JD. I want to wander the trails and shoot the stag with you bud.
God bless,Mudd
PS: It's been a few years since I have had the thought.."I've got to have one" go through my brain. I am having a relapse....lol
Post by: Green on September 12, 2015, 04:50:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on September 12, 2015, 11:04:00 AM
I've started to get giddy after my phone call to Mr Berry.
It's like ..either being 5 and Christmas is still a week away or 15 and your birthday is next week when you get your driver's license....lol...
...and it's like f-o-r-e-v-e-r before it'll get here.
One of you folks with the new "Heritage needs to make a video of it doing what it was born to do...Please!
Thanks!
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 12, 2015, 11:42:00 AM
Get Jon to be the videographer
Post by: on September 12, 2015, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: on September 12, 2015, 05:44:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 12, 2015, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 13, 2015, 03:41:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/2015%20hunting%20season/80E2ECB4-12DA-4D49-9EBA-A25567198582_zpshhspf30u.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/2015%20hunting%20season/80E2ECB4-12DA-4D49-9EBA-A25567198582_zpshhspf30u.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/2015%20hunting%20season/DSCF1641_zpsqueoo3v7.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/2015%20hunting%20season/DSCF1641_zpsqueoo3v7.jpg.html)
Post by: centaur on September 13, 2015, 03:57:00 PM
And it shoots well, too. So far, only stumps have died this September, but that could change any time.
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_0556_zps6dpvxeaw.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_0556_zps6dpvxeaw.jpg.html) But, on second thought, that Heritage is pretty dang nice, too.
Post by: Green on September 13, 2015, 04:01:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 13, 2015, 04:09:00 PM
Post by: ron w on September 13, 2015, 09:31:00 PM
Post by: two4hooking on September 14, 2015, 09:02:00 AM
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/IMG_0269_zpstvxpggvc.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/IMG_0269_zpstvxpggvc.jpg.html)
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/52d212a4-e15f-46e8-93f5-098cbb5d5b3d_zpssmgc7qyf.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/52d212a4-e15f-46e8-93f5-098cbb5d5b3d_zpssmgc7qyf.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 14, 2015, 11:02:00 AM
Post by: frank bullitt on September 14, 2015, 12:03:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on September 16, 2015, 08:58:00 PM
Post by: ron w on September 18, 2015, 04:35:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 18, 2015, 05:12:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on September 18, 2015, 09:19:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by ron w:Ron, you know the old saying about it's nice to put a name with a face. Can we see Oscar's mug shot? ???? ;)
Just received a Hill Half Breed in the mail today. The bows name is Oscar.......it has 2 silver inlays, a ram and a whitetail, antler tips and some beautiful yew lams. 68" 40#@28" and Oscar really likes my 55-60 cedars. I never had a friend named Oscar.......I do now!!!
Post by: ron w on September 18, 2015, 09:26:00 PM
Post by: snakebit40 on September 19, 2015, 03:00:00 AM
I bought a HHA Wesley Special back in April. I made a commitment to use it and only it this whole hunting season.
Took a little bit to get dialed in, but man was it worth it. I step out to shoot, my first shot is always 20 yards or closer (because of the size of my backyard), and I never have a doubt that arrow is going to hit where I'm looking. The other follow right behind the first as long as I stay disciplined.
Anyways, antelope season starts in a few hours for me here in western KS. I can't tell you how excited I am to be carrying my Wesley Special hunting for the first time. I really just love that bow. I'll let you guys know how my antelope season ends up.
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on September 19, 2015, 06:44:00 AM
Here is Ron's bow
Post by: Ray Lyon on September 19, 2015, 07:19:00 AM
Post by: ron w on September 19, 2015, 08:13:00 AM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on September 19, 2015, 09:16:00 AM
Post by: on September 19, 2015, 06:48:00 PM
Post by: on September 19, 2015, 09:52:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on September 19, 2015, 10:13:00 PM
Post by: threeundr on September 19, 2015, 10:43:00 PM
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z130/bruce_smith777/Mobile%20Uploads/DaveJohnson015_zpsd5f12385.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/bruce_smith777/media/Mobile%20Uploads/DaveJohnson015_zpsd5f12385.jpg.html)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z130/bruce_smith777/Mobile%20Uploads/davehennsbow_zps539fcb63.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/bruce_smith777/media/Mobile%20Uploads/davehennsbow_zps539fcb63.jpg.html)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z130/bruce_smith777/Mobile%20Uploads/DaveJohnson011_zpsa27077f0.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/bruce_smith777/media/Mobile%20Uploads/DaveJohnson011_zpsa27077f0.jpg.html)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z130/bruce_smith777/Mobile%20Uploads/DaveJohnson002_zps8fe76868.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/bruce_smith777/media/Mobile%20Uploads/DaveJohnson002_zps8fe76868.jpg.html)
I did alot of shooting today.
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z130/bruce_smith777/Mobile%20Uploads/20150919_135625.jpg) (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/bruce_smith777/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150919_135625.jpg.html)
Post by: snakebit40 on September 19, 2015, 11:17:00 PM
No tags filled today with the goats. Came real close a couple times.
P.S. Sweet bow Ron!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 19, 2015, 11:38:00 PM
Those DJ bows are very popular!!! Wonderful looking bow there brother!!!
I'll be taking my morningstar out tomorrow morning for a dry run on some new public land I'm looking to hunt. Gonna get out there early and set up to mAke sure I know the area in the o dark thirty timeframe so I'm not getting turned around, then I'm gonna do some stumping and have some fun, I might even get lucky and loose a few arrows at some squirrels.
I don't like getting out there this close to season but new property cAlls for some getting use to.
A couple more weeks and it's game time
Post by: threeundr on September 19, 2015, 11:55:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 20, 2015, 06:02:00 AM
Post by: threeundr on September 20, 2015, 08:44:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on September 20, 2015, 09:41:00 AM
At least that is my opinion because many years ago when I tried my 1st one ( a borrowed Ole Ben by Pearson) it didn't take 50 arrows for me to cry "Uncle". I moved on......
Then like threeundr I went through just about every bow and style available trying to find what I needed a bow to do for me and it was more than just put an arrow where I wanted it but I hadn't come to the knowledge of what "that thing" was yet.
There are a whole host of awesome shooting bows out there that are easy to shoot and with great pointability. I have owned a lot of them like that but something was missing.
I can't remember exactly how many years ago it has been now but a bunch.(..lol..) I happened across a Hill bow that a young man from Montana was wanting to part with at more than a reasonable price. (Apparently vehicles and girls were more important)
I talked myself into giving the ASL another shot. I mean if I had the same experience as before I was almost 100% positive I could resell the bow and even make a little extra arrow money with it.
This time when I put my hand to the bow I found that "something"...it was as if I had been transported to "Sherwood" and I fell totally in love with traditional archery as I had never experienced it before.
While I almost always experience that "Sherwood" feeling with my ASL's, some of them take me deeper than others. But the ones that really get me going are the ones which take to a place up the mountain in "Sherwood"........
And that's why I love ASL's and have never looked back at the rest.
I'm just one person and this is just one opinion and there are many others out there equally as valid as mine.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 20, 2015, 03:21:00 PM
My review of the JD Berry Morningstar
http://youtu.be/f618iJT-hzE
Post by: threeundr on September 20, 2015, 03:58:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 20, 2015, 05:23:00 PM
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Post by: Linwood Hines on September 23, 2015, 10:23:00 PM
I also have the dilemma about the other bows I have. I really enjoy the ASL's more than anything, but....I have a Kota (50's style recurve) that shoots really well, and then there is the one-piece Bighorn recurve that I saved three years to get....but, those bows sit, and the ASL's get out to play/hunt.
Post by: ron w on September 24, 2015, 10:59:00 AM
Post by: on September 24, 2015, 11:57:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 24, 2015, 12:07:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/arrows/46EB3E98-9FE1-414C-95F1-EB46AB859E0B_zpsqkruob4x.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/arrows/46EB3E98-9FE1-414C-95F1-EB46AB859E0B_zpsqkruob4x.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/arrows/23F9B39D-E9BD-420B-8E63-62F6FBF47A7C_zpskob4uhqb.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/arrows/23F9B39D-E9BD-420B-8E63-62F6FBF47A7C_zpskob4uhqb.jpg.html)
Post by: Green on September 24, 2015, 01:29:00 PM
Post by: MikeNova on September 25, 2015, 01:57:00 AM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 25, 2015, 07:49:00 AM
So which one of your wonderful ASL collection are you using?
Post by: MikeNova on September 25, 2015, 01:46:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 25, 2015, 04:40:00 PM
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Post by: on September 26, 2015, 06:44:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on September 29, 2015, 07:05:00 PM
What a treat!!!! I love shooting off my knuckle.
I picked it up about 8:30 am and started shooting it immediately. I literally had to make myself quit because after about 3 and a 1/2 hrs the muscles were starting to twitch.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Hert%201_zpse4kyksyy.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Hert%201_zpse4kyksyy.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/New%20folder%20005_zpso6schy4u.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/New%20folder%20005_zpso6schy4u.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/New%20folder%20003_zpsx1sxuke9.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/New%20folder%20003_zpsx1sxuke9.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/New%20folder%20002_zpshvxzvc5m.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/New%20folder%20002_zpshvxzvc5m.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/New%20folder%20001_zpsdia0np6x.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/New%20folder%20001_zpsdia0np6x.jpg.html)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/New%20folder%20006_zpsiynfypzm.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/New%20folder%20006_zpsiynfypzm.jpg.html)
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Green on September 29, 2015, 07:34:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 29, 2015, 07:58:00 PM
Post by: Brianlocal3 on September 29, 2015, 09:00:00 PM
Looks like James was in Sherwood waiting on Mudd!!!
Another stunning bow
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/heritage/6EC8B9A3-17E6-4820-9150-2ED37A62D682_zpsnktunoms.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/heritage/6EC8B9A3-17E6-4820-9150-2ED37A62D682_zpsnktunoms.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/heritage/0D81BC23-CCA2-4589-B69A-C39C71E07407_zps7pfndhnu.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/heritage/0D81BC23-CCA2-4589-B69A-C39C71E07407_zps7pfndhnu.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/heritage/C3E22FFE-B8ED-4AB9-8DBC-BEC8FFBA8E3B_zpsoiumvqsj.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/heritage/C3E22FFE-B8ED-4AB9-8DBC-BEC8FFBA8E3B_zpsoiumvqsj.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/heritage/E37C1726-E81A-4143-835E-C0A1A1413B11_zpsucf6af5p.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/heritage/E37C1726-E81A-4143-835E-C0A1A1413B11_zpsucf6af5p.jpg.html)
Post by: Linwood Hines on September 29, 2015, 10:54:00 PM
Post by: Green on September 30, 2015, 06:05:00 AM
Post by: centaur on September 30, 2015, 08:00:00 AM
As soon as I have the funds, I will be giving OE a phone call. As I told him, I am rising to the bait like a trout to a hopper pattern. I need another bow like a hole in the head, but this old school stick just speaks to me.
Post by: Green on September 30, 2015, 08:16:00 AM
Post by: Hermon on September 30, 2015, 08:52:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on September 30, 2015, 09:08:00 AM
I haven't been back to the computer for awhile but I have a good excuse...out shooting!
Anyway here are the ingredients that make up this beauty: brown glass on the back followed by tempered bamboo then toasted maple under clear glass with an 11&1/2" of Bolivian Rose wood for the riser.
The toasted maple just "pops" with its "tiger striping", you don't even notice the clear glass.
The blending or melding of the maple and Bolivian Rosewood riser is truly stunning.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: centaur on September 30, 2015, 09:11:00 AM
Post by: JDBerry on September 30, 2015, 10:07:00 AM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on September 30, 2015, 05:29:00 PM
Post by: on October 01, 2015, 03:17:00 PM
Post by: BIG GAME on October 03, 2015, 12:22:00 PM
The dimensions are as follows
2 1/4" deep and 6 1/2 " around. Does anyone else have these dimensions.
Post by: Jim Picarelli on October 03, 2015, 12:28:00 PM
Post by: BIG GAME on October 03, 2015, 12:39:00 PM
So I am not way off, my test piece is 1 1/8" wide. The bows I have bought and traded or sold were all under two inches deep and less than one inch wide. Do you guys mess with grips, like tape or even tennis racquet wrap. I think if I found a 2 1/8" deep grip I could add a layer to get me where I need to be. Am over thinking this or is the grip that important to you guys as well?
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 03, 2015, 02:57:00 PM
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/new%20grip/EBAC96A6-2A78-4D0C-8100-57CC42D230A8_zpsdappnkvb.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/new%20grip/EBAC96A6-2A78-4D0C-8100-57CC42D230A8_zpsdappnkvb.jpg.html)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q618/brianlocal3/new%20grip/5C743D85-6722-488D-8CFE-6CCFB6669A07_zpslhqgfie8.jpg) (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/brianlocal3/media/new%20grip/5C743D85-6722-488D-8CFE-6CCFB6669A07_zpslhqgfie8.jpg.html)
Post by: BIG GAME on October 03, 2015, 03:54:00 PM
Have you guys ever bought a bow then reworked the grip?
Post by: Jim Picarelli on October 03, 2015, 09:40:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 04, 2015, 07:03:00 AM
I'm not afraid to take a rasp/scraper/sand paper on one that's too large in areas. I base those decisions on resale potential though. With Hill bows, sometimes it's easiest to make use of the classified's.
Post by: Jim Picarelli on October 04, 2015, 04:34:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 04, 2015, 04:49:00 PM
Post by: BIG GAME on October 04, 2015, 05:32:00 PM
Post by: Jim Picarelli on October 04, 2015, 05:56:00 PM
Post by: mike g on October 05, 2015, 10:28:00 AM
And your 18-1 target looks just like mine, Did your dog chew off the rope handle too.
Post by: bsv on October 05, 2015, 10:30:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on October 05, 2015, 12:47:00 PM
Mike I think the neighbor kid and his compound may have done the chewing on my carry rope.
Personally I don't wear glove on my now hand nor do I have or use a "floppy" style rest.
The only time I have or use a glove on my bow hand is when I'm hunting, then I use one of the thin cotton camouflage type.
God bless, Mudd
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 07, 2015, 12:37:00 AM
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/031.JPG)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/schulzclassheader.jpg)
Post by: on October 07, 2015, 04:36:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 07, 2015, 04:40:00 PM
Post by: Hermon on October 09, 2015, 07:26:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 09, 2015, 07:33:00 AM
Post by: Jim Picarelli on October 09, 2015, 05:17:00 PM
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Post by: shick on October 09, 2015, 05:34:00 PM
Shick
Post by: BIG GAME on October 10, 2015, 09:23:00 PM
I'm sorry but I showed that picture to my wife to justify my collection. Thanks
Post by: Jim Picarelli on October 10, 2015, 10:51:00 PM
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Originally posted by BIG GAME:You are so welcome, sir!
Jim,
I'm sorry but I showed that picture to my wife to justify my collection. Thanks
Post by: BIG GAME on October 11, 2015, 09:42:00 AM
I see you may have added another Big Five to that collection.
Post by: Jim Picarelli on October 11, 2015, 05:10:00 PM
Post by: jwhitetail on October 11, 2015, 11:38:00 PM
(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b530/jwhitetail/IMG_2800_zpsu6rfi8cg.jpg) (http://s1290.photobucket.com/user/jwhitetail/media/IMG_2800_zpsu6rfi8cg.jpg.html)
(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b530/jwhitetail/IMG_2786_zpspveoj8w1.jpg) (http://s1290.photobucket.com/user/jwhitetail/media/IMG_2786_zpspveoj8w1.jpg.html)
(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b530/jwhitetail/IMG_27851_zps7znhxt8j.jpg) (http://s1290.photobucket.com/user/jwhitetail/media/IMG_27851_zps7znhxt8j.jpg.html)
(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b530/jwhitetail/IMG_2797_zpshxg1kki1.jpg) (http://s1290.photobucket.com/user/jwhitetail/media/IMG_2797_zpshxg1kki1.jpg.html)
No more old-school than shooting off of your hand!
Post by: on October 12, 2015, 02:38:00 AM
Post by: centaur on October 12, 2015, 06:55:00 AM
Whoopie ti yi yo, git along little dogies
You know that Wyoming will be your new home
Post by: JDBerry on October 12, 2015, 10:31:00 AM
Post by: jwhitetail on October 12, 2015, 10:39:00 PM
Pavan... get yourself out here... and bring a dollar!
Post by: on October 13, 2015, 02:03:00 AM
Post by: Green on October 13, 2015, 07:28:00 AM
James your new shooting style can only be called "North Californian". Lol
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 13, 2015, 07:57:00 AM
Great pics Jerry, thanks for sharing! And I'm jealous that you get to shoot my James. I want to make it to WA one of these days and go run the course with you guys
Post by: on October 13, 2015, 08:51:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on October 14, 2015, 09:02:00 AM
Shooting off my knuckle actually feels more normal that shooting off of a shelf....(That may say something about my age)..lol
Thanks for sharing the photos.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: on October 14, 2015, 10:15:00 AM
The one thing that I run into with no shelf bows is the feeling of the arrow when I am walking around with an arrow on the string. I know, terrible dangerous and all that, I don't do it when footing is in question. I am just used to having my index finger holding the arrow against something. Years ago I glued a leather wedge on my pig nut for that purpose.
Post by: jwhitetail on October 15, 2015, 10:58:00 PM
This little Heritage is a really addicting bow to shoot. For me, it shoots wonderfully and I really don't miss the shelf... until I have a lapse in shooting form. Then she will tell you - you messed up. That is to say, its a very sensitive bow. But very accurate and powerful. For me, it is really fun to keep plinking away off of the hand and I believe its going to really satisfy a bunch of folks that want that old school shooting feel. As for huntin, I have know doubt that it would be a great bow once you got your systems/habits down with a broadhead out front of your fist. to all that are receiving them, have fun and remember to cant that bow.
Post by: on October 16, 2015, 01:18:00 AM
Post by: Green on October 16, 2015, 06:41:00 AM
Post by: centaur on October 16, 2015, 06:51:00 AM
Should be fun!
Post by: jwhitetail on October 17, 2015, 05:58:00 PM
Post by: Mudd on October 18, 2015, 09:45:00 PM
After a few outings in the woods with my "Lady Heritage" I have found a down side to shooting off of my hand.
As "Captain Obvious" should have pointed out to me is just how "unhandy" it is not having a shelf when you want to get your bow out of your hand for whatever reason.
I have to figure out what to do with the arrow....lol
God bless,Mudd
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Post by: centaur on October 19, 2015, 02:04:00 PM
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=132652
Post by: JDBerry on October 19, 2015, 02:18:00 PM
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Post by: centaur on October 19, 2015, 02:32:00 PM
http://www.3riversarchery.com/final+stalker_i5318_baseitem.html
Post by: JDBerry on October 19, 2015, 02:43:00 PM
Post by: on October 19, 2015, 03:01:00 PM
For ten years, up in that basswood cluster of four trees, remains a plastic cup holder, a bow hanger, binoculars hanger, a hanger for his thermos and a shelf to set his sandwich or book or what ever on, just in case he has to stop what he is doing to shoot a deer.
Post by: Mudd on October 19, 2015, 08:00:00 PM
I have gotten used to standing my bow up and leaving my arrow sitting on the shelf.
I'll have to find a new way to "skin this cat"...lol
God bless, Mudd
Post by: jwhitetail on October 19, 2015, 10:16:00 PM
Love the way she shoots... I am making up some arrows with some 125 Grizzly single bevels. I will have to get creative in "hanging out" with her up in the tree too... but I think Centaur's rig will work just fine.
(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b530/jwhitetail/IMG_28221%20-%20Copy%202_zpsvecw7sa6.jpg) (http://s1290.photobucket.com/user/jwhitetail/media/IMG_28221%20-%20Copy%202_zpsvecw7sa6.jpg.html)
A little low at 30 yards
(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b530/jwhitetail/IMG_2827_zpsrrgbmacn.jpg) (http://s1290.photobucket.com/user/jwhitetail/media/IMG_2827_zpsrrgbmacn.jpg.html)
(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b530/jwhitetail/IMG_2826_zpshhnsriyr.jpg) (http://s1290.photobucket.com/user/jwhitetail/media/IMG_2826_zpshhnsriyr.jpg.html)
Post by: centaur on October 20, 2015, 07:20:00 AM
Post by: Green on October 20, 2015, 07:30:00 AM
James sent my Heritage back yesterday. These are waiting for its' return.
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/Adult%20Arrows/IMG_2013.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/Adult%20Arrows/IMG_2013.jpg.html)
Post by: centaur on October 20, 2015, 07:44:00 AM
Jerry, just noticed the backset on your bow. That's what mine is going to have, once the Pony Express finally makes it here.
Post by: Green on October 20, 2015, 07:47:00 AM
Pat....2 fletch has always worked well for me. Now that I'm unemployed again, something had to give....it was that third feather. Lol.
Post by: centaur on October 20, 2015, 07:56:00 AM
Post by: Green on October 20, 2015, 08:26:00 AM
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Post by: centaur on October 20, 2015, 04:50:00 PM
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_0674_zpsrv6devos.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_0674_zpsrv6devos.jpg.html)
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_0671_zpsuiqsvfzq.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_0671_zpsuiqsvfzq.jpg.html)
Post by: Green on October 20, 2015, 07:02:00 PM
Post by: JDBerry on October 20, 2015, 08:09:00 PM
Jwittettail, hope those arrows don't kick my Butt next Sunday. ..OE
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 20, 2015, 08:43:00 PM
Post by: centaur on October 20, 2015, 10:18:00 PM
Post by: jwhitetail on October 20, 2015, 10:43:00 PM
Green, thanks for the complement on the arrows! I have watched your video many times trying to learn how to straighten these shafts... and now your two fletch arrows. Really sweet looking. I am going to have to try that. Looking forward to seeing your bow.
JD Berry, indeed sir, I hope these yellow arrows do the job... (no rain predicted so bring 2 bucks... I need'em both)
Post by: Green on October 21, 2015, 06:31:00 AM
Pat.....kind of crazy on the "which limb up" thing. Sure is a beautiful bow no matter what tip rests on the ground. Looking forward to what you think when you get out stumping and hunting with it!
Post by: on October 21, 2015, 09:17:00 AM
I am suppose to be out hunting right with mine, but I have very little sleep and I hurt. I twisted my right shoulder blowing leaves out of my gutters last night, i almost fell off the ladder turning the leaf blower around.. I most certainly will not be shooting right handed today.
Post by: centaur on October 21, 2015, 11:22:00 AM
Gotta love fall colors…
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_2379_zpsupntggn9.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_2379_zpsupntggn9.jpg.html)
Bird #1 for the Heritage…
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_2377_zpsxy0q858y.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_2377_zpsxy0q858y.jpg.html)
I think I'm gonna like this bow…
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_2370_zpse5lvbkio.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_2370_zpse5lvbkio.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 21, 2015, 11:46:00 AM
Post by: Green on October 21, 2015, 01:14:00 PM
James "in" with the USPS did its' magic. Mine returned home today. I rrrreeeeaaaaallllllyyyyy like the wrapped grip! Shoots soooo very well without hurting my shoulder at its' new weight too!
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_2044.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_2044.jpg.html)
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_2043.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/JD%20Berry%20Heritage/IMG_2043.jpg.html)
Post by: Ray Lyon on October 21, 2015, 01:17:00 PM
Those are way cool looking bows.
Post by: on October 21, 2015, 03:57:00 PM
Post by: jwhitetail on October 21, 2015, 10:38:00 PM
Pavan, what a beautiful bow... enjoy!
Post by: Mudd on October 22, 2015, 10:33:00 AM
That little slice of leather looks like it's "just enough".
Glad to hear it's letting the shoulder alone at it's new weight.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Ray Lyon on October 22, 2015, 04:00:00 PM
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Post by: mcbowguy on October 22, 2015, 07:00:00 PM
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/6633d3b548d7ea6f02b591286c04e5d8?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/aca6de414b6e344bbe12d06a3f698632?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/4815b71aeb19102d2e475727c10fe3cf?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/a6860c0b15d7e7cf112d3b61db974c01?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://nebula.wsimg.com/619f3b94a5c603352d462a56635b9749?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
(http://http://nebula.wsimg.com/3a09e9f62c8fba9c8c6e76f5a8b2fd60?AccessKeyId=6B2A3AEB28CDA3F11959&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)
Post by: on October 22, 2015, 07:14:00 PM
Post by: Jack Skinner on October 23, 2015, 09:39:00 AM
Post by: jwhitetail on October 23, 2015, 09:50:00 AM
Pavan, looking forward to seeing your Heritage.
Post by: Ray Lyon on October 23, 2015, 10:21:00 AM
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Originally posted by Jack Skinner:Personally, I think it's two fold. One, the bowyers we have out there are doing an incredible job of stepping up the game from plain jane performers to good looking performers. Second, I think that the 'retro' whether James Berry's new Heritage, or the string follow/reverse handle ASL's that have come back to life lately from the 1950's era are part of the equation as well. I had a JD Berry reverse handle string follow that I used to get me by until I got my NM Shelton in June that was a dandy shooter and now I've got a John Schultz 'Natural' coming on Monday that's an all wood string follow bow. I like the 'idea' of the string follow from a nostalgia standpoint as well as I like the way they feel and I don't see a noticeable performance difference for my shooting.
Is it just me or are the bowyer's building ASLs taking it up a notch or two. Man-O-Man which one to order next.
The good ole days are right now for sure with our choices amongst bowyers and the top notch stuff being put out right now. Of course these Howard Hill threads just help market them all a little easier. ;) ;)
Post by: on October 23, 2015, 03:08:00 PM
Post by: Hermon on October 23, 2015, 06:40:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ray Lyon:I am glad you HAD that bow Ray :bigsmyl:
I had a JD Berry reverse handle string follow that I used to get me by until I got my NM Shelton in June that was a dandy shooter...
Post by: Ray Lyon on October 23, 2015, 07:13:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on October 26, 2015, 04:05:00 PM
By the way, this bow just says Howard Hill to me!! :archer2:
(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/20151026_141118_zpsngvzbe7m.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/20151026_141118_zpsngvzbe7m.jpg.html)
(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/20151026_141112_zpsyebz105m.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/20151026_141112_zpsyebz105m.jpg.html)
(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/20151026_141019_zps7utnnpot.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/20151026_141019_zps7utnnpot.jpg.html)
(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/20151026_141009_zpsksc1ffyj.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/20151026_141009_zpsksc1ffyj.jpg.html)
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 26, 2015, 04:38:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on October 26, 2015, 04:56:00 PM
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Originally posted by Brianlocal3:Thanks Brian. For approximately 25 years old, it's aged well. It's one of those 'wow this is just plain fun to shoot bows'. The four strings that the Tradganger included with the bow were all exactly the same and unused. When I got them I asked him about them and he said "I was always afraid to shoot the bow, I was just collecting them". Yeah for me!!!
Stunning bow!!
Post by: Brianlocal3 on October 26, 2015, 05:16:00 PM
Yeah, me and collecting do not go together. I'd shoot it up!!!
Great find
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 26, 2015, 05:53:00 PM
A non-glass Shulz is the only bow I'm in the market for these days, a lefty would be a real find.
Post by: Green on October 26, 2015, 06:03:00 PM
Post by: JDBerry on October 26, 2015, 07:54:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on October 26, 2015, 08:27:00 PM
this bow has a classic beauty for sure, and I've looked for the right one for a long long long time(most seem like the were built for a twenty six or twenty seven inch draw and in the sixty to sixty five pound range). That said the most beautiful bow I own is a JD Berry Yahweh that you and your brother built me in the early 1990's. It's not a classic 'Hill' style, yet it's a stunning longbow. This Shultz bow has temporarily satisfied my bow lust,however the Heritage very well may be on the back burner. :help:
Post by: Ray Lyon on October 26, 2015, 10:44:00 PM
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Originally posted by WESTBROOK:Oh Eric. I'm almost afraid to say i saw a lefty on the big auction site a month or two ago. Here I was wishing it was a right hander at the time.
Sweet bow Ray!
A non-glass Shulz is the only bow I'm in the market for these days, a lefty would be a real find.
Post by: Ray Lyon on October 27, 2015, 07:51:00 AM
(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/AmericanLongbowbrochure%20The%20Ol%20Favorite-Granpa_zpswmmpjdnj.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/AmericanLongbowbrochure%20The%20Ol%20Favorite-Granpa_zpswmmpjdnj.jpg.html)
(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/John%20Schultz%20letter_zps2re1cddp.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/John%20Schultz%20letter_zps2re1cddp.jpg.html)
(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/AmericanLongbow%20descriptioin%20of%20the%20Naturals_zpsg3al0gxr.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/AmericanLongbow%20descriptioin%20of%20the%20Naturals_zpsg3al0gxr.jpg.html)
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 27, 2015, 08:18:00 AM
Post by: Overspined on October 28, 2015, 12:24:00 AM
Just order a Miller 70" split bamboo. He does a fine job. I like mine. It's a little different, of course, but his backset becomes more straight or slight SF after some shooting. It's a fun shooting bow. Or his other models look nice too, and may be more like what you are looking for. The no-glass is a nice twist.
Post by: Ray Lyon on October 28, 2015, 06:46:00 AM
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Originally posted by Overspined:Eric, if you could talk Ron Laclair out of his all bamboo/Tonkin Miller that would be a coupe. I shot it a few summer's ago and it was a dandy. Ron said Dave only made a couple like it.
Hi Eric,
Just order a Miller 70" split bamboo. He does a fine job. I like mine. It's a little different, of course, but his backset becomes more straight or slight SF after some shooting. It's a fun shooting bow. Or his other models look nice too, and may be more like what you are looking for. The no-glass is a nice twist.
Post by: DesertDude on October 28, 2015, 04:25:00 PM
Post by: Bud B. on October 28, 2015, 06:34:00 PM
More photos here
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1660800690869251&set=pcb.310757389047856&type=3&theater
Post by: Linwood Hines on October 28, 2015, 10:53:00 PM
Post by: DesertDude on October 29, 2015, 01:38:00 AM
Mark. DD
Post by: on October 29, 2015, 02:19:00 AM
iI do not know if it is still available. I doubt that it will make it to Christmas.
Welcome back to the fold.
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(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps9tvprguj.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps9tvprguj.jpg.html)
Post by: Ray Lyon on November 10, 2015, 01:35:00 PM
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Post by: ron w on November 11, 2015, 09:26:00 AM
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Originally posted by two4hooking:Still pretty darn impressive......
No, first 3 were from the tree this year but now i broke my toe and will be on the ground. Thanks guys.
Post by: DesertDude on November 11, 2015, 08:06:00 PM
Post by: Shinnecockfly on November 12, 2015, 05:37:00 PM
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2lvhdnr.jpg)
Btw switched to a snap shooting method or release when I hit draw for the hill bow and am grouping nicely!
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Post by: Ray Lyon on November 16, 2015, 08:53:00 AM
Now I have to decide whether to put limb socks on this bow or paste wax to dull it down for some late season hunting. John has a high gloss finish on these bows and I'm pretty picky about low glare finish for my hunting weapons.
Post by: Jack Skinner on November 16, 2015, 09:00:00 AM
Post by: Ray Lyon on November 16, 2015, 09:09:00 AM
Post by: Jack Skinner on November 16, 2015, 11:50:00 AM
I did a search and I believe you can get it at like Home depot or Lowes.
Just to let you know I got this method years ago from BB I, it should go well with your great find of a bow. I am jealous.
Post by: Ray Lyon on November 16, 2015, 12:23:00 PM
There's another granpa in the classified ads here from same seller. It's 64#@27 so too stout for me otherwise I'd pick that one up too.
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Post by: CHENRYIV on November 22, 2015, 05:29:00 AM
(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/2015%20Trad%20Season/CF07F6B4-7C07-4E7A-99F5-2879182A9E3E_zpsih6quphh.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/2015%20Trad%20Season/CF07F6B4-7C07-4E7A-99F5-2879182A9E3E_zpsih6quphh.jpg.html)
JD Berry "Vixen"
Surewood shaft w/Woody Weight
Glue-on Badger Broadhead
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Post by: RaybowTx on November 25, 2015, 09:14:00 PM
Along with R/D's and recurves I have enjoyed the HH bow. I learned what it took to make'em and how they were to be shot. In 1991 was when my passion took hold. An older man whom was consumed with HH bows and concepts showed me the whole deal. Almost cult like.
You know, the HH broadhead is the only thing I've never caught
on to. Though proven it looks almost worn out when their brand
new..............Ray
Post by: Irish Archer on November 25, 2015, 10:55:00 PM
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Post by: RaybowTx on November 26, 2015, 09:38:00 AM
I'd like to see and hear more about them..............Ray
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Post by: Overspined on November 28, 2015, 09:56:00 PM
I've never been a fan of the Hill heads. They are fine but tough to sharpen and the ferrule has cracked on me. The angle of the bevel just doesn't align right with the ferrule for sharpening. I've been stuck on the grizzly heads, and the new ones only need to be sharpened on a paper wheel and stropped before they pop hair. Only takes a couple minutes tops each. I guess if a hill head is a must, go for it, but I've never seen them properly sharpened without taking off 1/2 the ferrule thickness. Just makes no sense to me. The blade steel is very very hard to cut with a file as the steel is hard and blade is curved.
I'd have Pavan sharpen them for me and mail them ;)
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Post by: Ray Lyon on December 01, 2015, 11:06:00 AM
If you're not having fun with Hill style stuff, you're just not capable of having fun. ;)
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Post by: MikeNova on December 01, 2015, 06:52:00 PM
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Post by: Ray Lyon on December 03, 2015, 10:41:00 AM
My Howard Hill Tembo is 57# @ 28 inch and has a Dacron string. I draw 28". That bow likes arrows around 55# @ 29" BOP and 125-140 grain point. I can also use a 61-63# Jalon arrow(he spines his within 2# of each other) with a 190 grain point. My Steve Turay Northern Mist 55#@28 inches with fast flight string likes the same 61-63 pounds with 190 grain point. When I ordered the bow, Steve said his string follow likes a couple pounds lighter spine than backset bows. The shafting I just got from Surewood for the Schultz Natural (string follow/no glass Hill style) all were set up with 52-53# spine on my spine tester, 29" BOP and 160 grain point weight. Bow is rated for 55#@28 inch and I'm probably drawing that 27-27.5 (I think I'm using a little more relaxed draw with that bow, but it's shooting perfect for me). Anyway, I expected this bow to need arrows under rated draw in spine compared to a glass bow and I was correct. I typically find 5-7 grains of point weight above 125 grain standard needs 1# more in spine. So 190 grain point figures out at 190-125=65 grains divided by 6= 10#s extra spine (rough rule) and that one inch of draw length-you draw 29"-is about 5# per inch. All that said, if you're shooting close to 125 grain point with your wood arrows, I'd expect you'd see 52# bow plus 5# or a 57-58# arrow coming in with good flight for you.
Now your form, centershot cut of bow, diameter of arrow, thickness of arrow plate, ect can all play in to the above.
All of that said, another double check and I did this with my arrows for the Schultz, is to put in your carbon arrows into Stu's spine calculator that you know work for you. You'll probably find that you need to put a positive or negative personal form factor into the box on the lower right to make the calculator match (if you've used it you'll know what I'm talking about). Now, put in the specs for wood arrows and keep the personal form factor number the same. You should then come up with a wood arrow spine that works with the above rough rule of thumb answer. If it does, I'd start there with your search.
Ultimately a wood arrow test kit is the best way to go. With carbon arrows you can invest in different weight inserts (whether in the shaft or with the point adapter if using glue on heads) to make them work. With wood arrows, you've got to buy separate points in the right weight to make them work (although you could invest in Woody Weights too that do the same thing, but they're not as pretty and will make your arrows a little longer). This can get pricier with broadheads (I have 130, 155 and 190 grain Grizzly's on hand, so I can use whatever is needed to fine tune wood arrow and suits my fancy to get to a preferred arrow weight).
The above is not meant to be confusing, it's just to let you know that you can fine tune wood arrows if you consider all the options to do so and have them available if you have the financial resources to do so.
Post by: Overspined on December 04, 2015, 10:55:00 AM
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Post by: ron w on December 05, 2015, 09:56:00 PM
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Originally posted by Hermon:I think not.......I have 5 now and one on order. I just hope it's not a terminal illness. :wavey:
Is there a cure yet? Summer of 2014 I bought my first ASL, now there are 4 on the Bow rack. :help:
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Post by: Jim Picarelli on December 12, 2015, 09:42:00 AM
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Originally posted by Hermon:17 on my racks...no cure, just treatment (buying another Hill)
Is there a cure yet? Summer of 2014 I bought my first ASL, now there are 4 on the Bow rack. :help:
Post by: John McCreary on December 12, 2015, 10:21:00 PM
J-Mac
Post by: two4hooking on December 15, 2015, 12:29:00 PM
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Post by: Ray Lyon on December 16, 2015, 10:03:00 AM
Post by: two4hooking on December 17, 2015, 12:56:00 PM
If the glove gets stretched and too loose of course you need to add some extra stitches but to keep the stalls on tight while shooting consider this:
"From time to time oil your tips and always keep them from being roughened or scratched. With a small amount of glue in the tip one has only to moisten his fingers in his mouth and the leather stall will stick on firmly. We have also used lead plaster of the pharmacopoeia for the same adhesive purpose."
While I do not advocate using lead for obvious reasons, I have found that coating the inside of the stalls with soft string wax and moistening my finger as above really works great.
I treat the outside with baby powder also....and initially and once a year or so with pitch blend.
Post by: Linwood Hines on December 24, 2015, 10:18:00 AM
Post by: two4hooking on December 24, 2015, 10:32:00 AM
That's why I have another one now :thumbsup:
Merry Christmas to me :biglaugh:
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Post by: jeffg on December 26, 2015, 10:57:00 AM
Dawn. I never had a back set bow and I like string follow type that I shot in the past. I also need to find out what the wait time is. I am not real good at that part.
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Post by: David Mitchell on December 28, 2015, 10:51:00 AM
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Originally posted by pavan:OK that's funny right there! :biglaugh:
The last bow I received, I called the delivery truck driver on his cell and asked him if he knew what the damn gas peddle was good for.
Post by: mike g on December 28, 2015, 11:58:00 AM
I would say that is fast.
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Post by: Lambow on January 03, 2016, 04:21:00 PM
I'm glad you did, and that it worked out for you to get those bows.
Looks like a maple riser with four bamboo lams that are probably concave \\ convex. Also looks like a
linen string. What is it backed with? Could be trunk fiber paper.
Can you measure the amount of backset?
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Post by: sou-pawbowhunter on January 10, 2016, 08:16:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:I'm glad I don't have to deal with that kind of temptation. I would probably have to try to build some semblance of right handed form. :rolleyes:
Oh come on, wouldn't you like to take a few shots just to feel what Howard Hill felt?
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Post by: Bowhunter4life on January 17, 2016, 02:54:00 PM
Now I've always liked the nostalgia of the Hill bow, but didn't care for the way they shot... When I was doing a lot of buying/selling/trading of bows I had several different Hill bows and they would reaffirm my position on the shooting characteristics of the style and they would move on... But last year, after reading these threads a bit, I got the urge to try another... Put a wanted thread into the classifieds and got several responses including the one I bought...
It is actually a Howard Hill "Custom", has a Macassar riser, slight dished grip, checkering, six laminations of bamboo, Diamondbacks, and two sterling silver inlays... It's an older bow, 68", and 85# at my draw...
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When I got it, I was rather amazed by the shooting characteristics, and easily got it tuned and hitting where I was looking in no time...
Not nearly as quick as my R/D longbows or recurves, but the quietness makes up for a lot in a hunting situation! I put meat in the freezer earlier in the year with my trusty SA III, and was doing a bit of cleaning in the basement and happened to look over and see the Hill in the bow rack... Took it down and strung it up and took a few shots with it... Decided to carry it to the woods for the rest of the season... Been carrying it for about the last month of hunting now, and have taken a doe, two squirrels, and a ground hog that made a burrough near one of my stands...
Shot the doe at about 12 yards, arrow passed through and she jumped when it went through... Looked around for a couple seconds, then went to browsing again! Watched the blood pour out both sides of the chest for about 25 seconds and she fell over about 20 yards from my stand. Only bow quieter that I could think of would have to be a selfbow...
This has been the first time I've really hunted with a Hill, and I don't think I'll let this bow go just because I may not find another like it... I'm not ready to give up my other bows, but I just wanted to share my recent experience with the Howard Hill bow...
Post by: Possumjon on January 17, 2016, 03:48:00 PM
Not my most impressive group ar 20 yards but I'm slowly getting better with this toelke super d. It's 38 pounds at 28 inches and I draw about 26 with a hill bow. All in all I'm hooked!
Post by: Overspined on January 17, 2016, 10:02:00 PM
PAVAN, not a fad for me, been making Hill style consistently but working on heating my shop! Brrrr
A couple weekends ago two trad bow "virgins" came over to test and both ordered Hill style vs R/D. They were drilling at 15 yds in minutes with a little instruction! :thumbsup:
One guy was missing his pointer finger on the string hand, so this will make for interesting tillering. Talk about 2 under! Lol we laughed about it. A lot of people appreciate the straight bows, well, how about heavily backset!
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Tuned her up today. Cooked on Sat night. Worked on it 6 hrs on Sunday and sprayed her Sunday night. Added a touch of camo paint for character today.Ready to go hunting!!!
45-47 at 27 and 66" long. throws a 525 grain arrow good. RC
Post by: Tradcat on January 25, 2016, 07:23:00 PM
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Post by: WESTBROOK on January 25, 2016, 08:34:00 PM
Nice work :thumbsup:
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Post by: Moots on January 31, 2016, 11:19:00 AM
Thanks,
Rob
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Post by: Green on February 01, 2016, 07:30:00 AM
I am the oddball in the Heritage group though as I received the first production bow, and James had originally laced a grip on it. I glued a leather shim under the grip as a small locator shelf. Shortly thereafter I sent the bow to James for a weight reduction and a grip wrap. We decided to wrap over my "shelf", and I'm super happy with the way that turned out.
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Post by: snakebit40 on February 01, 2016, 07:21:00 PM
I decided to get it out this week and shoot it again. Man did I miss shooting that bow. I can't explain it. I just picked it up and looked at what I wanted to hit. It was almost effortless, and much more fun than "aiming" with my recurve. I've been shooting better than I have for months since picking the HH up again. I have the drive to go hunting again. Hopefully this month I can get out and hunt some rabbits and squirrels.
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Post by: NBK on February 23, 2016, 10:07:00 AM
Chris Hartwig of Newwood Longbows is making me one of his string follows and my number has come up.
I have no idea yet what wood/glass combos I'm going to use. I think that the green glass back with a white belly with perhaps a coco or rosewood riser looks good.
Or I was thinking a white belly with a lighter myrtle riser and back veneer?
Or do I skip the white glass...?
So just for fun, if you were me, what would be your preference? Sky's the limit. ;)
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Post by: meatCKR on February 23, 2016, 05:46:00 PM
Steve
Post by: WESTBROOK on February 23, 2016, 07:07:00 PM
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Originally posted by David Mitchell:X2...I have a Shulz/HH Tembo with brown glass, honey colored boo and a Myrtle riser...and it is sharp!
NBK, the classiest looking longbow I own is one that was made by John Schulz--an American Longbow Trophy Hunter. It has bamboo limb cores that are a honey color, myrtle riser and brown glass. To each his own and you have to pick what you want to be looking at for years to come (if you keep the bow). Choices are great but my son often refers to "option fatigue" when confronted with lots of choices.
Post by: two4hooking on February 24, 2016, 08:12:00 AM
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Originally posted by NBK:Here is one of Nate's like that!
Yeah, I thought I saw a Sunset Hill on one of these pages with a myrtle riser and white glass that was timeless.
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Post by: Goshawkin on March 01, 2016, 07:52:00 PM
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Originally posted by NBK:It'll look great. I have 2 Timberlines with black glass back & belly,with cocobolo risers. One is dark coco and the other is orange coco. They both look awesome
Well I did a bit of a change up on my Newwood string follow wood choice! Met with Chris at his place this afternoon and got to handle a few bows. He had two with brown glass and myrtle risers that really jumped out to me but he had one with a black glass back and belly with a killer cocobolo riser that won the show. The simplicity of the black really highlighted the elegance of the string follow lines and that's what I settled on. Chris had a beautiful dark block of coco and that's all she wrote... Except now for the wait that we all must endure when placing an order. Final specs will be 66" and 50@28. Thanks for the input guys.
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My new wesley special from hha. Brown glass front and back. 66" and 46@26". Still learning to shoot it but I've gotten alot better and it throws an arrow with authority!
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 05, 2016, 07:40:00 PM
Pavan, I could not imagine having a better instructor than yourself. And I agree, I won't even shoot a recurve or hybrid lb anymore, my brain isn't quick enough to bounce between the shooting styles. I just keep it in ASL gear, haha
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 07, 2016, 08:42:00 AM
I was able to score Brianlocal3's cedar limbed McBroom, 48# @ 26". It has a white belly, which I know a lot of folks seem to enjoy. If anyone has an ASL with white glass, what do you think of it? Does it show a lot of grime or dirt? The only glass I have ever had was black, brown, or clear, so this will be a first. I'm excited to get down in the weight a little. I agree 100% with the argument for heavier bows, I just also want something a bit lighter to cover the bases.
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Post by: CHENRYIV on March 08, 2016, 06:44:00 PM
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Originally posted by Cavscout9753:Cavscout9753, I think the deer around here get hypnotized by my white belly JD Berry bows. :biglaugh:
Yeah, I'm glad only the belly is white as far as hunting. We'll see when it arrives but im hopeful.
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 08, 2016, 07:14:00 PM
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Post by: Sam McMichael on March 09, 2016, 04:57:00 PM
It is the fault of this thread that I ordered it. I read so many stories and admired so many pictures, that I was overcome with the desire to get another ASL. I now have 5 HHA bows and 2 Northern Mist bows.
Post by: ron w on March 09, 2016, 05:59:00 PM
Post by: centaur on March 09, 2016, 07:10:00 PM
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_0136_zpsd7bda391.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_0136_zpsd7bda391.jpg.html)
Post by: Scott E. Thomas on March 09, 2016, 07:32:00 PM
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Post by: two4hooking on March 10, 2016, 04:51:00 PM
I was shooting my HIll Tembo this afternoon. It is a Schulz that has been refinished at least once and I would wager dropped in weight to 55@28.... It has a crack all the way through the back lam at the lower fade (put some locktite in each side a while back) and I have been waiting for it to fail....but it keep on throwing arrows.
Post by: on March 10, 2016, 04:53:00 PM
Post by: Goshawkin on March 11, 2016, 02:33:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:Yep, if more guys checked under the leather wrap they'ed be surprised at the 1/4" crack
You got your self a piece of junk there, they are suppose to crack at the corner of the sight window.
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Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 11, 2016, 08:57:00 PM
The grip is the biggest change. I'm used to the very narrow grip on my WS, and the McBroom is larger aside from the heel side which is very narrow. Even though its different, it does make for a stable grip, probably because I couldn't begin to imagine how to torque this thing. The one thing that really shocked me was the speed. Holy crows this thing is fast. Same 160 grain tipped douglas fir as my WS and it flat out flys! I know everyone says that, but I mean it. I was ready to lose a little speed from the bamboo limbed Wesley, and I'll stop short of saying I gained a couple....but..I definitely didn't lose any. Smooth and quiet as expected and I will add no hand shock though I'm not sure I've ever felt any in a ASL.
I'm still letting the white belly grow on me, I don't DISLIKE it... But it may take a bit for it to seem more normal. All in all a nice shooter. I'm going to hit it hard and use it for my shots in the virtual shoot and see how it goes.
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 12, 2016, 10:00:00 AM
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s509/cavscout97531/D41279AB-2B76-471E-9ADA-8EABE433CA0D_zpsniixtfob.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/cavscout97531/media/D41279AB-2B76-471E-9ADA-8EABE433CA0D_zpsniixtfob.jpg.html)
Post by: Hermon on March 13, 2016, 09:54:00 PM
Post by: Bowhunter4life on March 13, 2016, 11:48:00 PM
Post by: kindor on March 15, 2016, 12:21:00 AM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 15, 2016, 08:40:00 AM
Post by: jhk1 on March 15, 2016, 10:44:00 AM
What's the length of your McBroom-- is it 66"?
Regarding the grip, does it taper back to a narrow/sharp wedge on the belly side? If you don't like the shape, it's easy to build up the narrow area and reshape it to your liking with Bondo. I've done it to several ASLs, and the reshaped area is completely hidden by the leather grip.
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 15, 2016, 12:32:00 PM
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Post by: Kopper1013 on March 16, 2016, 08:23:00 PM
Tear drop
Oval
Maybe have flat spots like pavan just showed?
Just wondering what shape you guys like in your hand???
Post by: on March 16, 2016, 08:28:00 PM
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Post by: Kopper1013 on March 16, 2016, 09:08:00 PM
Straight I figured to start, I can always dish later. But want sure about the shape after that...
Post by: Steve Clandinin on March 17, 2016, 02:30:00 AM
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Post by: meatCKR on March 20, 2016, 08:50:00 AM
Like Ray said - Turkey season right around the corner! Good Luck Everyone!
Steve
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 20, 2016, 10:47:00 AM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 20, 2016, 01:11:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 20, 2016, 01:54:00 PM
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s509/cavscout97531/AE36BEBB-5D9F-4D9F-B034-83A9B3FE0EA8_zpsg801d01r.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/cavscout97531/media/AE36BEBB-5D9F-4D9F-B034-83A9B3FE0EA8_zpsg801d01r.jpg.html)
Post by: Ray Lyon on March 20, 2016, 03:08:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 20, 2016, 06:07:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 20, 2016, 06:13:00 PM
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s509/cavscout97531/6BF1C1A0-87D1-4151-BABD-8AD8226D8DF3_zpsderpphds.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/cavscout97531/media/6BF1C1A0-87D1-4151-BABD-8AD8226D8DF3_zpsderpphds.jpg.html)
Post by: WESTBROOK on March 20, 2016, 09:41:00 PM
I've gotten to prefer the suede side for a grip as of late. It gets matted down where you grip it and you can feel your spot.
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 21, 2016, 08:09:00 AM
Post by: meatCKR on March 21, 2016, 08:53:00 AM
Steve
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 27, 2016, 03:44:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on March 27, 2016, 08:55:00 PM
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s509/cavscout97531/C3C4279D-C9BA-4DB8-B805-8E0C0C4A58F0_zpsao7yclzo.jpg) (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/cavscout97531/media/C3C4279D-C9BA-4DB8-B805-8E0C0C4A58F0_zpsao7yclzo.jpg.html)
Post by: WESTBROOK on March 27, 2016, 09:15:00 PM
Looks sharp :thumbsup:
Post by: ron w on April 12, 2016, 10:35:00 PM
Post by: centaur on April 13, 2016, 08:00:00 AM
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_0830_zpsufrkulye.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_0830_zpsufrkulye.jpg.html)
Post by: jwhitetail on April 13, 2016, 10:11:00 AM
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Post by: Green on April 13, 2016, 07:33:00 PM
Larry......you're lookin' an awful lot like Pat. Best of luck to you and your Heritage with the Gobblers!
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Post by: Mud_Slide_Slim on April 17, 2016, 03:14:00 PM
Bill-
Post by: centaur on April 17, 2016, 03:37:00 PM
The lack of a shelf might also be something that folks would think to be a problem, but it is something that is quickly adapted to.
The Heritage is simplicity itself, and a pure pleasure to shoot.
Post by: on April 17, 2016, 05:02:00 PM
Post by: meatCKR on April 17, 2016, 07:50:00 PM
Steve
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Post by: centaur on April 17, 2016, 09:51:00 PM
"Delicate" and 'Cav Scout' are words not normally used in the same sentence.
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Post by: Possumjon on April 18, 2016, 11:17:00 AM
Post by: MnFn on April 18, 2016, 11:56:00 AM
I had a 68" and the string seemed to bottom out against my torso. Maybe I was canting too much?
I want to shoot one badly. Er, make that really want to shoot one well. I loved drawing that 54# bow.
Gary
Post by: MnFn on April 18, 2016, 12:04:00 PM
Post by: Hermon on April 18, 2016, 01:14:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on April 18, 2016, 04:44:00 PM
Sounds like that bow is still treating you well. ;)
Post by: Hermon on April 18, 2016, 04:58:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ray Lyon::thumbsup:
Hermon,
Sounds like that bow is still treating you well. ;)
Post by: Orion on April 18, 2016, 08:02:00 PM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on April 18, 2016, 10:44:00 PM
Post by: Possumjon on April 19, 2016, 07:50:00 AM
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Originally posted by Cavscout9753:Haha my bows not going anywhere for a while! I wanna get as good with this as I am with a curve, then maybe we'll talk :biglaugh: needless to say, you've got a while! I think my main problem with the straight grip is consistent hand placement. I'll get it one day though. Craig gave me a price and it's a lot less than I was expecting. I've got some things to consider now
I have come to find I prefer a dished grip. I'm a do-it-yourself kind of guy, but I admit sometimes (ok, many times) that hasnt worked out for me. For dishing a grip though, its really not that much of a task. The hardest part will be redoing the leather to not end up looking like leatherface's mitten or something, and you can see my solution to that on the previous page of this thread. Still, sending it to Craig at HHA is the safest bet. Going from a straight to a dish is about as easy and doable as it gets. Im just to cheap (more so my wife is too cheap!) to pay shipping for something that easy. While you have the leather off, after you shape it, do yourself (and me when I snag your bow up off the classifieds, haha) a favor and throw a couple coats of poly down before reapplying the leather.
Post by: Overspined on April 19, 2016, 11:07:00 AM
Post by: Cavscout9753 on April 19, 2016, 06:07:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on April 19, 2016, 06:36:00 PM
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Originally posted by Cavscout9753:X2
I came to learn that Hill style bows want to be shot how they want to be shot. Good luck!
Once you accept that fact, its pretty smooth sailin' from there.
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Post by: stik&string on May 13, 2016, 11:26:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:I told myself this almost three years ago, and to my own amazement I stuck to it. In fact about two years ago I got myself down to just 1 bow, a HHA bow dubbed "lightening". However, now that HHA is offering green glass I have been tempted many a times to pick up the phone.
Enough bows is enough bows.
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Post by: Possumjon on May 17, 2016, 11:18:00 AM
Post by: Hermon on May 17, 2016, 12:02:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:I could not find any listings of yours in the classifieds. What are you trying to sell? Send me a PM (rather than post on Pow Wow) if you have some ASL's to sell.
The wife said that I have to get rid of at least three of my longbows before I can buy a new Robertson Wolfer or Overdrive. I cannot even give them away. The Hill wave must over around here, just a passing fancy and in time may go.
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Post by: adkmountainken on June 04, 2016, 04:39:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/adkmountainken/5th%20direction/fulldraw.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/adkmountainken/media/5th%20direction/fulldraw.jpg.html)
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Post by: Overspined on June 11, 2016, 04:13:00 PM
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/B380A3B6-A857-4C31-8DE5-2650A16D0075_zps2wubeyhx.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/B380A3B6-A857-4C31-8DE5-2650A16D0075_zps2wubeyhx.jpg.html)
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/25D6182F-C9D0-4800-AA6C-AA631C535543_zps8psx5yui.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/25D6182F-C9D0-4800-AA6C-AA631C535543_zps8psx5yui.jpg.html)
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Post by: ron w on June 23, 2016, 02:03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ray Lyon:X2
Waldrop seat, American Leathers glove, ASL with nice broken in quiver. That's all I ever need. Nice photo Green.
Post by: TxAg on June 23, 2016, 02:07:00 PM
Post by: Green on June 23, 2016, 04:48:00 PM
TxAg......your new bow show up yet?
BTW......lots of nice new lumber exhibited in these pages of late. Congrats y'all!
Post by: TxAg on June 23, 2016, 07:44:00 PM
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Post by: two4hooking on June 28, 2016, 04:50:00 PM
Did you know that deer are better at hearing high frequency sounds, but not as good as humans at hearing lower frequency sounds?
Did you know higher frequent sounds are more directional in nature than lower frequency sounds?
Wouldn't it make sense that a longbow with thicker longer string have lower frequency sounds than a short bow with skinny low stretch string?
Could it be possible that a Hill style bow is even quieter to game animals than it is to us?
If you want to see the charts and what I wrote about this all check out my blog when you get a chance....
http://traditionalknowhow.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-longbow-here-comes-pitch.html
It is just too much work to copy the entire deal and photos here...
Enjoy.
Greg
PS - There is also a summary of Bob Swinehart's gear and methods in a more recent post as well.
Post by: MikeNova on June 28, 2016, 06:04:00 PM
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Post by: Jack Skinner on June 30, 2016, 09:18:00 AM
Anyway here is my Heritage
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n274/JackSkinner/2016%20Bows/IMAG0449.jpg) (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/JackSkinner/media/2016%20Bows/IMAG0449.jpg.html)
Brown glass back bamboo cores and white belly with Chechen riser. Slim in profile and perfect handle.
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n274/JackSkinner/2016%20Bows/IMAG0451.jpg) (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/JackSkinner/media/2016%20Bows/IMAG0451.jpg.html)
68 n to n 58@28
Post by: ron w on June 30, 2016, 09:52:00 AM
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Post by: Jack Skinner on June 30, 2016, 04:04:00 PM
Not a great picture but you can see some of the brown glass and how it and the bamboo and then the Chechen just got together for a good looking hunting bow then the white belly just pops. I don't think I could be happier with a bowyer's work
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n274/JackSkinner/2016%20Bows/IMAG0450.jpg) (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/JackSkinner/media/2016%20Bows/IMAG0450.jpg.html)
Classy is a perfect term for this bow and may just be her name.
Thanks ron w
Post by: Mud_Slide_Slim on July 01, 2016, 06:03:00 AM
Bill-
Post by: Jack Skinner on July 01, 2016, 09:06:00 AM
Hope that made sense.
Post by: Mud_Slide_Slim on July 01, 2016, 12:09:00 PM
That makes perfect sense...thanks for the explanation. I used to shoot no-shelf bows about 12 years ago, only with a straight grip. I like the idea of how James designed this grip. Seems very well thought out. I was wondering how you guys shooting off the knuckle gripped the bow in a consistent manner that would allow repeated results shot after shot. I get it now...
Bill-
Post by: Green on July 01, 2016, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: Jack Skinner on July 12, 2016, 09:02:00 AM
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n274/JackSkinner/2016%20Bows/IMAG0493.jpg) (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/JackSkinner/media/2016%20Bows/IMAG0493.jpg.html)
This is a Mike Ballenger NAH (North American Hardwood) longbow in the String Follow Carolina Night model.
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n274/JackSkinner/2016%20Bows/IMAG0486.jpg) (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/JackSkinner/media/2016%20Bows/IMAG0486.jpg.html)
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n274/JackSkinner/2016%20Bows/IMAG0487.jpg) (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/JackSkinner/media/2016%20Bows/IMAG0487.jpg.html)
He builds them from hardwoods that he personally chooses and saves on shipping. He says they are perfect in everyway just not a pretty as exotics and not nearly as expensive. I chose black walnut for my cores because I had built a nice hickory backed walnut self bow that was quite a performer. The white glass is the only up charge on this bow as black glass is the normal. The handled is hickory and walnut and is wider than my Kramer and just as deep which I requested. It feels great in the hand.
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n274/JackSkinner/2016%20Bows/IMAG0488.jpg) (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/JackSkinner/media/2016%20Bows/IMAG0488.jpg.html)
It shot great just like you would expect from an ASL, smooth through the draw with the thump you expect letting you know you have shot an arrow, but no to me hand shock. It drove my heavy arrows with authority and sent the arrows deep into my targets.
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n274/JackSkinner/2016%20Bows/IMAG0499.jpg) (http://s114.photobucket.com/user/JackSkinner/media/2016%20Bows/IMAG0499.jpg.html)
15 Yard group under high wind warning
Mike can build you one of those pretty bows for more money if you want, but I am very happy with my NAH and at hundreds less than other. He also has a u-finish option that would make these bows an extreme bargain the way they perform.
So happy with my decision to give lesser known bowyers a chance this is a great bow at a fantastic price.
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Post by: elkhunter45 on July 13, 2016, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: Sam McMichael on July 13, 2016, 09:06:00 PM
Post by: two4hooking on July 14, 2016, 10:52:00 AM
I cannot begin to express how lucky I feel!
I'll post pictures when I get them. :archer2:
Post by: Ray Lyon on July 14, 2016, 11:50:00 AM
Post by: on July 14, 2016, 04:32:00 PM
Post by: two4hooking on July 14, 2016, 04:58:00 PM
This one is all white, because everyone knows you can't hunt with an all white bow (wink).
Post by: on July 14, 2016, 10:43:00 PM
Post by: Green on July 15, 2016, 06:17:00 AM
Post by: shick on July 15, 2016, 07:43:00 AM
Shick
Post by: daveycrockett on July 15, 2016, 07:20:00 PM
Post by: Sam McMichael on July 15, 2016, 08:11:00 PM
Post by: David Mitchell on July 15, 2016, 09:29:00 PM
Post by: on July 16, 2016, 02:33:00 PM
Post by: two4hooking on July 19, 2016, 08:20:00 AM
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/IMG_1429_zps3v9wfhsr.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/IMG_1429_zps3v9wfhsr.jpg.html)
Hard to believe but Nate has improved on his design. WF is about as light as a feather! What a joy to carry. When I unpacked it I thought no way is there a bow inside :eek:
Yes, she has white glass belly and back.
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/IMG_1425_zpsga2t0urn.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/IMG_1425_zpsga2t0urn.jpg.html)
Classic Myrtle
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/IMG_1422_zpsj2cfphcx.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/IMG_1422_zpsj2cfphcx.jpg.html)
The sideplate inlay is now Elk antler! Talk about Elk Mojo.
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/IMG_1427_zpsobaqguwt.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/IMG_1427_zpsobaqguwt.jpg.html)
and boy does she shoot... :archer2:
Even more Schulz influence and the results are noticeable compared to my other SH. C'mon September!
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/IMG_1431_zpsyk0gko71.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/IMG_1431_zpsyk0gko71.jpg.html)
Post by: ron w on July 19, 2016, 08:57:00 AM
Post by: NBK on July 19, 2016, 10:58:00 AM
Is that a bit of leather on the shelf for a rest? Did Nate put that on, or yourself? Just curious.
Post by: two4hooking on July 19, 2016, 01:50:00 PM
Post by: Green on July 19, 2016, 02:45:00 PM
Post by: two4hooking on July 19, 2016, 04:34:00 PM
https://vimeo.com/175417612
Post by: daveycrockett on July 21, 2016, 04:22:00 PM
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Originally posted by daveycrockett:Well I figured out this style and bow ain't for Me. I just listed this new Wesley for sale here.
I been bit! Got a 68" 55@28 green glass back Wesley Special on the way.
Post by: ron w on July 21, 2016, 04:44:00 PM
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Originally posted by daveycrockett:That's to bad......did you give it some time. Or was there just that I don't like it right off?? :dunno:
QuoteOriginally posted by daveycrockett:Well I figured out this style and bow ain't for Me. I just listed this new Wesley for sale here. [/b]
I been bit! Got a 68" 55@28 green glass back Wesley Special on the way.
Post by: daveycrockett on July 21, 2016, 05:21:00 PM
Post by: Green on July 21, 2016, 08:29:00 PM
Post by: jsweka on July 21, 2016, 09:06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Green:Well said. These bows are not like other r/d or recurve styles. I find it really hard to jump back and forth, but when I flirt with another style, I always end up coming back to a hill style. Give it a fair chance. I really think there are two types of archers out there - ones that love the simple ASL and ones that didn't give them a chance.
Rule of thumb will your first Hill bow is to put everything else away for at least two weeks and shoot nothing but the Hill. They require their own style and dedication....learn it and you'll be hard pressed to shoot anything else. Many folks are hooked that hard by day three.
Post by: ron w on July 21, 2016, 09:09:00 PM
Post by: Orion on July 21, 2016, 10:16:00 PM
Post by: on July 22, 2016, 03:27:00 PM
Post by: two4hooking on July 22, 2016, 04:46:00 PM
Post by: Kopper1013 on July 23, 2016, 10:30:00 PM
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=125;t=013775
My first hill style I've ever shot and loving it!!!! Hope I can join the club now:-)
Post by: ron w on July 24, 2016, 09:06:00 AM
Post by: frassettor on August 07, 2016, 05:40:00 PM
I will be shooting Wood shafts
Thank you
:campfire: :coffee:
Post by: meatCKR on August 08, 2016, 08:22:00 AM
Best of Luck!
Steve
Post by: David Mitchell on August 08, 2016, 10:49:00 AM
Post by: on August 08, 2016, 03:37:00 PM
Post by: Green on August 08, 2016, 03:41:00 PM
Post by: on August 08, 2016, 03:54:00 PM
Post by: frassettor on August 08, 2016, 06:06:00 PM
Post by: frassettor on August 08, 2016, 06:08:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on August 08, 2016, 06:39:00 PM
Post by: on August 08, 2016, 07:02:00 PM
Post by: akbowbender on August 11, 2016, 12:08:00 AM
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/OpeningMorning2016_zpsuw59dgjq.jpg) (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/finnish-archer/media/OpeningMorning2016_zpsuw59dgjq.jpg.html)
It had been raining, but not a drop fell while I was in the woods. Perfect still hunting conditions. I need to wait until this coming weekend for a couple more full days in the woods. I will be able to get out in the evenings, though, so I should get in a fair amount time in the woods this year.
Post by: two4hooking on August 11, 2016, 09:39:00 AM
Post by: neargeezer on August 11, 2016, 11:08:00 AM
All the best,
Terry K.
Post by: akbowbender on August 11, 2016, 07:57:00 PM
Just got home from work. I helped my wife with one of her projects, and now it is time to get in the woods. We're having an occational light dizzle. Should be nice and quiet still hunting.
Terry: I'd like to take "our" NM Classic out, but it is a bit light at my draw length. I will use it when I get a chance to hunt Sitka Blacktails.
Post by: neargeezer on August 11, 2016, 09:39:00 PM
Terry
Post by: ron w on August 17, 2016, 09:25:00 PM
Post by: ron w on August 29, 2016, 04:40:00 PM
Post by: meatCKR on September 07, 2016, 09:51:00 PM
She's 64" and 57# @ 27" All Caramelized Bamboo. 3 Laminates in the limbs and a stacked Caramelized Bamboo riser. Brown glass on back and belly with double tip wedges. Just a superb example of beautiful simplicity at its finest. She has everything she needs and nothing she doesn't.
Somebody Help Me! I've gone to the Hills!
Steve
Post by: ron w on September 07, 2016, 10:00:00 PM
Post by: Linwood Hines on September 15, 2016, 09:38:00 PM
Post by: meatCKR on September 16, 2016, 11:29:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI_tLL37zw0
Steve
Post by: meatCKR on September 17, 2016, 10:24:00 AM
Steve
Post by: Tradcat on September 17, 2016, 12:44:00 PM
Post by: on September 17, 2016, 08:18:00 PM
Post by: meatCKR on September 17, 2016, 10:56:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZHP79TqZ_o
I like the 14 strand B50 string better cause I don't need those little string leeches.
Post by: on September 18, 2016, 01:10:00 PM
Name that one "gorgeous" :thumbsup:
Post by: Tradcat on September 18, 2016, 07:59:00 PM
Post by: on September 20, 2016, 01:47:00 PM
Post by: two4hooking on September 21, 2016, 12:02:00 PM
(http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/Idao%20Elk%20Hunt%202016/IMG_1597_zpskherzv6v.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/Idao%20Elk%20Hunt%202016/IMG_1597_zpskherzv6v.jpg.html)
Post by: Tradcat on September 21, 2016, 01:28:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on September 21, 2016, 09:30:00 PM
Post by: on September 22, 2016, 06:16:00 PM
Post by: centaur on October 05, 2016, 12:30:00 PM
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_1266_zpszbct0kce.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_1266_zpszbct0kce.jpg.html)
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_2832_zps2ciq19nm.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_2832_zps2ciq19nm.jpg.html)
Post by: Kopper1013 on October 05, 2016, 01:23:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on October 05, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Post by: ron w on October 05, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Post by: Mud_Slide_Slim on October 05, 2016, 02:48:00 PM
Bill-
Post by: shick on October 05, 2016, 03:04:00 PM
Shick
Post by: Possumjon on October 05, 2016, 09:07:00 PM
Hill style got it done:) 46#@26" 66" Wesley special
Post by: Green on October 06, 2016, 05:25:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on October 06, 2016, 07:15:00 AM
Post by: two4hooking on October 06, 2016, 09:30:00 AM
Post by: Mudd on October 06, 2016, 12:06:00 PM
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 06, 2016, 04:41:00 PM
Good shootin on the wabbit PJ!
Post by: jwhitetail on October 06, 2016, 10:14:00 PM
Nice work on the Bunny there Possumjon
Post by: Overspined on October 07, 2016, 10:55:00 AM
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/overspined/4942188C-9908-442F-B614-8C3133A7FCF2_zpsvchwx5vv.jpg) (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/overspined/media/4942188C-9908-442F-B614-8C3133A7FCF2_zpsvchwx5vv.jpg.html)
Post by: two4hooking on October 07, 2016, 04:21:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on October 12, 2016, 01:48:00 AM
That was a little too close but after a couple years our stand locations have been tweaked a bunch of times and it's really working out.
Post by: centaur on October 25, 2016, 01:07:00 PM
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_2843_zpsndpygami.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_2843_zpsndpygami.jpg.html)
Post by: shick on October 25, 2016, 03:10:00 PM
Shick
Post by: Kopper1013 on October 25, 2016, 04:08:00 PM
Also
Congrats to you overspined also
Post by: Irish Archer on October 26, 2016, 08:27:00 AM
Post by: Irish Archer on October 26, 2016, 08:30:00 AM
Post by: Overspined on October 27, 2016, 12:16:00 AM
Post by: Overspined on October 27, 2016, 12:23:00 AM
Post by: centaur on October 27, 2016, 07:53:00 AM
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 27, 2016, 07:24:00 PM
:thumbsup:
Post by: on October 28, 2016, 04:11:00 AM
Post by: Overspined on October 28, 2016, 08:56:00 AM
Eric, yeah I waited on 3 yards..lol
Hopefully start seeing some bigger buck movement, I had 7 bucks all in a group last weekend sparring and scraping. Made for a fun morning. Those big boys in MI seem to wait most years until about Halloween to get up and around.
Post by: David Mitchell on October 28, 2016, 09:43:00 AM
Post by: two4hooking on October 28, 2016, 02:03:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on October 28, 2016, 03:01:00 PM
(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/20161028_125542_zpsuf6nsmei.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/20161028_125542_zpsuf6nsmei.jpg.html)
Post by: Kopper1013 on October 28, 2016, 03:16:00 PM
Post by: NBK on October 28, 2016, 05:14:00 PM
Post by: Irish Archer on October 28, 2016, 09:14:00 PM
Post by: Sirius Black on October 29, 2016, 08:27:00 PM
Post by: RC on October 30, 2016, 09:27:00 PM
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/017_zpsyaaktqke.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/017_zpsyaaktqke.jpg.html)
Post by: ron w on October 30, 2016, 09:44:00 PM
Post by: Overspined on October 30, 2016, 10:06:00 PM
Post by: Kopper1013 on October 30, 2016, 10:13:00 PM
Post by: Green on October 31, 2016, 05:38:00 AM
Post by: David Mitchell on October 31, 2016, 11:36:00 AM
Post by: Ray Lyon on October 31, 2016, 12:19:00 PM
:notworthy:
Post by: RC on October 31, 2016, 04:11:00 PM
Post by: two4hooking on October 31, 2016, 04:20:00 PM
Good job!
Post by: wislnwings on November 06, 2016, 10:52:00 PM
Waiting with my Hill Redman on the river bank for pick up after a morning spent in the swamp. Blew a chance at a mid size hog thanks to a noisy stand. Still a good morning though.
Post by: RC on November 06, 2016, 11:49:00 PM
I had a great hunt this weekend with my homemade string follow longbow.Her are a few pics...
Thank you Lord !!
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/026_zpsnqfj7fz3.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/026_zpsnqfj7fz3.jpg.html)
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/031_zpsyuun57ep.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/031_zpsyuun57ep.jpg.html)
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/024_zpsusnhl4fl.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/024_zpsusnhl4fl.jpg.html)
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/036_zpsfycnmntc.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/036_zpsfycnmntc.jpg.html)
Post by: Irish Archer on November 07, 2016, 07:58:00 AM
Post by: MnFn on November 08, 2016, 04:51:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on November 08, 2016, 09:06:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on November 09, 2016, 10:32:00 AM
(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/20161028_125542_zpsuf6nsmei.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/20161028_125542_zpsuf6nsmei.jpg.html)
(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/ArmstrongCreekHunt2011rayanddoe1bestpic_zpsc6830611.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/ArmstrongCreekHunt2011rayanddoe1bestpic_zpsc6830611.jpg.html)
That being said, for range use and small game, I love my Art Vincent Cedar Ridge back quiver, it's a work of functional art!
(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/P6290630_zpsyesv1hnl.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/P6290630_zpsyesv1hnl.jpg.html)
Post by: Overspined on November 10, 2016, 12:32:00 AM
Post by: on November 10, 2016, 01:00:00 AM
Post by: Overspined on November 10, 2016, 07:00:00 AM
Post by: RC on November 27, 2016, 01:53:00 PM
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/rcswampbucket1/059_zps0eznrtzh.jpg) (http://s1255.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket1/media/059_zps0eznrtzh.jpg.html)
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/rcswampbucket1/066_zpsnqiqmmcc.jpg) (http://s1255.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket1/media/066_zpsnqiqmmcc.jpg.html)
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/rcswampbucket1/050_zpsppzhmgbw.jpg) (http://s1255.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket1/media/050_zpsppzhmgbw.jpg.html)
Post by: RC on November 27, 2016, 01:54:00 PM
Post by: Irish Archer on November 27, 2016, 04:58:00 PM
Post by: Kopper1013 on November 27, 2016, 08:38:00 PM
Post by: CHENRYIV on November 29, 2016, 08:18:00 AM
Post by: CHENRYIV on November 29, 2016, 08:41:00 AM
(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/2229594E-BA8E-4843-9176-752EB94364F1_zpsertr0xk4.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/2229594E-BA8E-4843-9176-752EB94364F1_zpsertr0xk4.jpg.html)
JD Berry Morningstar, Surewood Shafts with a Grizzly and a Simmons Interceptor on the business end.
As I'm writing this, the paperwork for the sale of this property is about to be signed. I hunted this lot for the past 7 years and have blessed with taking some nice deer off of it. Like everything else, money talked and the property is going to be developed of condos and apartments.
Post by: centaur on November 29, 2016, 08:55:00 AM
Good to see the deadly red bandanna back making meat.
Post by: NBK on November 29, 2016, 09:01:00 AM
Post by: Irish Archer on November 29, 2016, 09:56:00 AM
Post by: Ray Lyon on November 29, 2016, 10:16:00 AM
Post by: Blueridge on November 29, 2016, 10:48:00 AM
Can't put my new Misty Dawn down, thought you would appreciate that!
Good job.
Post by: Kopper1013 on November 29, 2016, 12:00:00 PM
Post by: ron w on November 29, 2016, 12:35:00 PM
Post by: CHENRYIV on November 29, 2016, 02:52:00 PM
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Originally posted by NBK:Mike & Kopper,
Great hunting Crispin. Wouldn't mind hearing the story of getting off two shots. I know James' bows are quiet but that's still pretty cool!
Truth be known, I actually shot three times. They came in at about 20 yds out from my left on a well-worn trail that crossed in front of my stand. The second doe stopped directly in front of me and gave me a perfect broadside shot. I aimed low expecting her jump the string; however either she was deaf or my Berry bow is just so dang quiet and she did move. When the arrow hit the ground she jumped and ran about 2-3 yds closer and stopped. I expected them to run, but the stood there looking puzzled…..I think the noisy squirrels helped. I reached back and grabbed another grizzly tipped arrow. This time I got pass through. She ran another 5 yds away and stood there. As the other doe was looking in the 1st does direction and was able to retrieve another Simmons Interceptor arrow and get her.
I’m not sure if anyone has the same experience with Grizzly Broadheads, but over the years, I’ve shot several deer that didn’t immediately burst out of there after being shot by one. Matter of fact, last year I had three deer under me. I was able to shoot two, but the third one took off after hit the second one.
Post by: CHENRYIV on November 29, 2016, 03:01:00 PM
(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/2016%20Gon%20Challenge/765480D2-BB6A-4DB9-B56F-468607C7A979_zpssq5hzgiy.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/2016%20Gon%20Challenge/765480D2-BB6A-4DB9-B56F-468607C7A979_zpssq5hzgiy.jpg.html)
Post by: ron w on November 29, 2016, 03:15:00 PM
Post by: Mud_Slide_Slim on November 29, 2016, 04:15:00 PM
Bill-
Post by: Vesty on November 29, 2016, 07:10:00 PM
Post by: Kopper1013 on November 29, 2016, 09:07:00 PM
Post by: RC on November 30, 2016, 07:12:00 PM
Post by: HighNTree on December 05, 2016, 09:22:00 PM
Post by: CHENRYIV on December 05, 2016, 09:45:00 PM
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(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/E88304DD-8506-4727-810D-A1F2D2756338_zps1msqhkep.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/E88304DD-8506-4727-810D-A1F2D2756338_zps1msqhkep.jpg.html)
(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/7E804753-F624-489A-B96F-5282FC8B0EB5_zpsmtoifaho.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/7E804753-F624-489A-B96F-5282FC8B0EB5_zpsmtoifaho.jpg.html)
Post by: Yohon on December 06, 2016, 06:30:00 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Zm1vKhE.jpg)
Half breed, cocobola riser and black glass and straight grip.
(http://i.imgur.com/p8tioPZ.jpg)
Im sold already on just the fact of how dang quiet they are!!! Cant wait to get it shooting at some critters.Having never shot anything with a longbow Im looking forward to the challenge.
Post by: Ray Lyon on December 06, 2016, 06:59:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on December 06, 2016, 07:38:00 AM
Post by: David Mitchell on December 06, 2016, 10:03:00 AM
Post by: R.V.T.B. on December 06, 2016, 11:08:00 AM
Post by: two4hooking on December 06, 2016, 03:46:00 PM
Greg
Post by: Green on December 07, 2016, 06:05:00 AM
Post by: Yohon on December 07, 2016, 06:12:00 AM
Greg, I sure hope we run into one another at the Baltimore shoot!!!
Post by: two4hooking on December 07, 2016, 08:35:00 AM
Post by: J_Foster on December 13, 2016, 02:15:00 PM
(https://goo.gl/photos/KFVF9QMwm6ipTtjz8)
Happy Birthday to me! Charlie Lamb Sunbear. 66" 58# at 29". Just received it yesterday. It's my first Hill style longbow. Shot for about an hour yesterday and am very impressed. Really looking forward to learning to shoot it proficiently. Thanks too all of you guys for the tips y'all have provided. I appreciate it!
Post by: J_Foster on December 13, 2016, 04:56:00 PM
Post by: RC on January 01, 2017, 09:45:00 PM
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Post by: CHENRYIV on January 01, 2017, 10:25:00 PM
Post by: Ray Lyon on January 02, 2017, 07:01:00 AM
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Post by: Learner on January 11, 2017, 01:39:00 PM
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Post by: Learner on January 11, 2017, 05:55:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:Thank you, Larry! I'm thinking of rabbit, actually. :archer2:
there you go. When you get into this, and you will. Before long, you will need to know how to properly skin and cook small game. Every year I go to Youtubes to remind myself how to do that squirrel thing the easy way. My wife puts a limit on how many squirrels I shoot every year, they are a challenge for her to cook. Stumping, small game and Hill longbows just go together. Remember, follow the program and try to not get ahead of yourself.
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Post by: Learner on January 11, 2017, 09:39:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:Mmmmmmm..........
All this rabbit talk has got me hungry. Last year we did the Hill method of rabbit stew, dutch oven buried in the coals of a wood fire. Three rabbits and four doves, potatoes, carrots, green peppers, onions, some chicken broth, Italian seasoning, whole tomatoes, butter beans and lots of time, with fire cooked grilled cheese sandwiches on the side.
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Post by: Linwood Hines on January 19, 2017, 11:52:00 PM
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Post by: Orion on January 20, 2017, 12:55:00 PM
Hand shock on a Hill has more to do with how one grips it than it's physical weight, but the ounce or two more weight of a heavier riser just helps me hold on target better. I also like bow quivers on a Hill for that reason as well.
In the end, though, a personal preference thing.
Regarding the three, four or five laminations in a Hill. I dunno. The more laminations, the more glue lines there are, which stiffens the bow, IMO. On the other hand, the thinner the laminations, the more "power fibers," as Carig calls them, per lamination thickness. Probably a wash, but I prefer 3 or 4 lamination Hills.
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Post by: Learner on February 07, 2017, 10:05:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:Larry, are you just guessing, or have you been talking with Craig?? :bigsmyl:
learner, we need photos and a bow report.
Ok, my Big 5 did arrive last Friday! I'm already in love with it. I will post some photos of the bow, and the arrows which Jason made me, when I get some time to cut the woodies to length, install the points, and do some shooting with them. I'm also trying to adjust my form to shoot Hill style.
I will say this: it's very smooth and very quiet to shoot, with both my 400 and 500 spine GT Traditional carbons!
Don't worry, I'll give a thorough review!
:archer2:
Post by: Learner on February 07, 2017, 10:18:00 PM
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Originally posted by Orion:Last week I received my first Hill bow from Craig at HHA. I ordered a Big 5 with the large takedown grip. Apart from the obvious transportation advantage, the takdown grip adds some nice heft to the handle, as well as a wider, more rounded belly side, which some folks may really like.
Hills are light bows to begin with so I like all the weight I can get into the riser, cocobola or ebony, for example......
For those who prefer a heavier riser, this may be a good option.
Best wishes,
Frank
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Post by: Deno on February 08, 2017, 03:16:00 AM
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Post by: Jim Picarelli on February 09, 2017, 06:37:00 AM
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Originally posted by WarDancer:I have 6 JET bows. The two I shoot the most are my Wolverine and Dave Wallace Special
Just took delivery on a Jet Wolverine very nice bow good finish, quite with a very mild thump. Anybody have experience with the Jet bows.
Post by: WarDancer on February 09, 2017, 09:21:00 AM
Post by: Shinnecockfly on February 09, 2017, 10:17:00 AM
I also just received a bamboo backed hickory hill blank from 3rivers they had a sale, picked it up for 80$. Just need to finish the shelf, grip and tiller. I'll be posting pics along the way here.
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Post by: Learner on February 14, 2017, 02:43:00 PM
It arrived after only a three week turnaround time by Craig and Jason (Jason did the arrows).
Here are the specifics for this beauty:
Howard Hill Big 5, 66”, 45# @ 27”
“large” size Hill takedown grip
slight amount of string follow
4 caramelized bamboo lams
Texas Ebony riser
brown glass back, clear glass belly
wine color leather wrap with brown lacing
(http://i.imgur.com/a7nzWl0.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fI5AxdC.jpg)
More information on this thread:
My first Hill - Big 5 takedown (http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=153366)
Post by: Ray Lyon on February 14, 2017, 03:56:00 PM
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Post by: Learner on February 14, 2017, 08:22:00 PM
I really like the wine colored leather. But I could not get photos of it that give a really true representation of the color. The red is very wine-like in color (like a fine chianti :D ), or a brick red, and not as bright red as it appears in some of my photos.
Post by: Sant-Ravenhill on February 15, 2017, 06:33:00 PM
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(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w39/rcswampbucket/066_zpsxoigmc6d.jpg) (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/rcswampbucket/media/066_zpsxoigmc6d.jpg.html)
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Post by: Tom Parsons on February 22, 2017, 09:19:00 PM
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Post by: Jim Picarelli on February 23, 2017, 04:13:00 AM
Post by: ron w on February 23, 2017, 10:39:00 AM
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Originally posted by Jim Picarelli:X2 :thumbsup:
Nice looking bow, Mr. Parsons
Post by: Learner on February 23, 2017, 02:49:00 PM
But I'm curious: why the silencers?
:dunno:
Best wishes,
Frank
Post by: Learner on February 23, 2017, 04:30:00 PM
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Originally posted by Learner:Just to clarify: this is a sincere question. I thought that Hill style bows where already dead silent on release. I know that my bamboo Big 5 is.
Vey nice bow, Mr. Parsons. :thumbsup:
But I'm curious: why the silencers?
:dunno:
Best wishes,
Frank
Are there wood choices or string choices which might benefit in some way from using silencers? Or is there another reason of which I'm unaware?
Frank
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Post by: centaur on February 24, 2017, 02:32:00 PM
Learner, I also put silencers on my ASLs for the same reason as above; get rid of the string hum. They are as quiet as a mouse fart when so equipped.
Post by: Deno on February 24, 2017, 04:26:00 PM
Could be just what the Doctor ordered!!
Deno
Post by: Learner on February 24, 2017, 04:31:00 PM
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Originally posted by centaur:Thank you, Centaur.
Medical Lake is a good place to get mail from. Let us see it when you get a chance.
Learner, I also put silencers on my ASLs for the same reason as above; get rid of the string hum. They are as quiet as a mouse fart when so equipped.
My Big 5 is already dead silent. But I did notice with the 10 strand string (which came with it) that there was a residual resonance after the shot. It didn't seem that you could hear it, but rather just slightly feel feel it in the handle, and see it in the string, even with the 510 gr. woodies I'm shooting.
Since putting on a 14 strand by TenRing Strings, that residual resonance has reduced even further.
However, it's too minor to bother with silencers, IMO.
Best Wishes,
Frank
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Post by: Hermon on February 26, 2017, 04:20:00 PM
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Originally posted by centaur:I would but photobucket is not working for me. Got a 66" Heritage 50# @ 28". Brown glass on back, clear glass on belly with yew veneer. Osage riser on belly side of all lams (exposed fades). Bow shoots wonderfully. Dead in the hand and the quietest bow I have.
Medical Lake is a good place to get mail from. Let us see it when you get a chance.
Post by: ron w on February 26, 2017, 04:51:00 PM
Post by: Learner on February 27, 2017, 11:21:00 AM
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Originally posted by Mudd:Mudd, WAY back in this thread (2013) you posted this photo of yourself.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/mudd57/Picture008_zps392bbeeb.jpg) (http://s218.photobucket.com/user/mudd57/media/Picture008_zps392bbeeb.jpg.html)
God bless,Mudd
I noticed that your pinkie is facing forward, ratber than tucked backwards.
Are you still shooting this way? I'm thinking of trying it. I already have my thumb facing forward, up near my index finger, as it seems to work better with my overall build and facial structure.
Best wishes,
Frank
Post by: Mudd on February 27, 2017, 02:58:00 PM
Old Doc Robinson always told me if something causes you to hurt... don't do it. I have headed his advise in most cases.
It took me a lot of years to stop what I was doing that was causing me the pain but I can say now that I am free from the "Chew" and all other forms of nicotine delivery systems.
God bless,Mudd
Post by: Learner on February 27, 2017, 04:20:00 PM
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Originally posted by Mudd::)
Learner I started keeping that little finger straight because of arthritis in the finger.
Old Doc Robinson always told me if something causes you to hurt... don't do it. I have headed his advise in most cases.
It took me a lot of years to stop what I was doing that was causing me the pain but I can say now that I am free from the "Chew" and all other forms of nicotine delivery systems.
God bless,Mudd
Thank you, Mudd....and here I thought that it was done as a special technique to improve your release!
And it's great to hear about getting rid of the bad stuff. :clapper:
I have been trying to get the cleanest release, as I learn to shoot Hill style. I've been experimenting with anchor point, thumb position, etc. My eyeglasses really complicate matters, hence my quest. That and my own physical build.
I was having an issue with a persistent nock low lately. Not a lot, but just a few degrees. I found that keeping my thumb parallel to my index finger, with the tip on the back of the string as I draw, helps somewhat.
It seems that with my facial structure, when I keep my draw thumb angled down over my palm in the "standard" position, the second joint (at the web) juts out enough to push my hand away from my face slightly. (The second joint is what many confuse as the "base" joint of the thumb, but the actual base joint is down near the wrist).
So keeping the the thumb parallel with the index finger keeps that joint flatter, which allows me to keep my draw hand closer to my face, and possibly more in line with my eye, as well as giving me a few more degrees of freedom to cant my bow.
So when I saw your photo, it made me think that it may also be good to keep the pinkie facing forward, which may help my ring finger, by allowing for a cleaner release. Just a thought I had.
Best wishes,
Frank
Post by: on February 27, 2017, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: Learner on February 27, 2017, 06:41:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:That's exactly what I have found, Larry. At least keeping my thumb in line with my fingers allows the joint to sit flatter on my jaw, which helps.
If your thumb does not drop into the pocket behind your jaw bone it will be in the way. The size of the glasses can make a difference as well.
This then leads to my next topic:
Nate Steen shared with me that he shoots with his index and middle finger anchored on either side of the mouth (above and beneath). (And he has a friend who wears eyeglasses who anchors even lower, with his index finger in the corner of his mouth.)
That got me thinking: in most photos that I see of Howard, he seems to anchor the way that Nate describes:
(http://i.imgur.com/iH1aGq1.jpg)
(photo from T.J. Conrads' book, "The Traditional Bowhunter's Handbook")
This anchor does seem to help somewhat with keeping my elbow in better alignment with the arrow. An added benefit is that it enables more clearance with the frame of my eyeglasses.
Best wishes,
Frank
Post by: on February 28, 2017, 03:09:00 AM
Post by: Learner on February 28, 2017, 06:59:00 AM
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Originally posted by pavan:Larry, that is exactly what I've been experiencing. As I'm coming to draw, my peripheral vision seems to sense the angle of the shaft (which determines where it is pointing) rather than just point placement.
......Secondary aiming can be just an impression of the hangles and dangles of where the arrow is pointing, without getting overly itchy about gaps and point placement......
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Post by: Learner on March 01, 2017, 05:47:00 AM
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Originally posted by pavan:Larry, I'm not really certain what you mean by this. Could you explain please?
.....That is why I like bop net broadhead arrows, it makes the one variable easy to spot......
Thank you,
Frank
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Post by: nineworlds9 on March 19, 2017, 08:34:00 AM
that is awesome Larry. what gesture!
I am "back" as it were. No matter how much I default to hybrids I always get the bug again. This time I decided on some strong medicine...I ordered one of Craigs new Black Mambas specd to my exact desires. He really knocked it out of the park with the look of this bow. Pretty stoked as this is one that will NOT be leaving my rack. Cant wait to hear it whisper. 4 more weeks!
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Post by: nineworlds9 on March 22, 2017, 08:52:00 PM
I am so antsy for the Mamba to get here that Ive been on a recent mission to grab a decent used Hill if I could ...when I was at the TBOF Spring Championship a handful of weeks back I spied a lovely HHA bow hanging on Big Jim's used bow rack. I had a hankering but kept my restraint at the time and passed. I had already been feeling the early symptoms of the bug and then there was the whole Mamba wait to deal with, short as it is compared to most.
Well, I couldn't hold out and a few days ago I told Jim I needed that lovely stick he had on the rack.
I was able to nab a near new HHA Big Five, 70" 45@28 with Gaboon Ebony riser and black glass, and the neat thing is its one where Craig put all the lams behind the riser, so the riser and belly glass appear seamless being all black. It looks so cool!
She arrived today, and after the first few shots I knew I was back in the game. Took to it again like a fish to water, after having not shot a Hill in almost a year.
Now I will say this...I am absolutely confounded by what arrow gave me perfect flight this evening. I dunno if I forgot all my Hill tuning notes in the past year but this is what tuned for this 70" 45@28 Big Five braced at 6.5" with a B50 (ick!) string: a carbon Axis Traditional 340 cut to 29" bop with 200g total up front.
I started out with a few different micro diameter full length 400 shafts and they all showed mega WEAK, then I tried some pretty soft 5/16 woodies, like maybe 40/45 spine max, nope they shot like snakes too...and then later bam the cut down 340 which is a darn stiff arrow ...and it flies perfect. Mind you I'm pulling these an honest 28-29" to the back side of the shelf. Is it just that the power stroke on this 70" bow is so long?? I think I've been shooting center and past center cut hybrids for so many months now that my arrow mojo is back to square one with these before center bows. I just thought a soft shaft would do it, but nope. 29" 340 on a dang 45# Hill. Perfect laser flight. And man theyre hitting hard too.
What gives?
Here she is, perfect to hold me over until Mamba #46 is ready:
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/20170322_194021.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/20170322_194021.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/20170322_194031.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/20170322_194031.jpg.html)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s631/nineworlds9/20170322_194040.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/nineworlds9/media/20170322_194040.jpg.html)
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Post by: Learner on March 22, 2017, 09:11:00 PM
What it the grip? Moose?
Simply stunning! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Best wishes,
Frank
Post by: on March 22, 2017, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: nineworlds9 on March 22, 2017, 09:23:00 PM
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Originally posted by Learner:Thanks Frank! It's definitely different with the ultra dark ebony riser/black glass and the lams behind the riser...the belly side of the bow just looks like this continuous piece of black. It's a pretty neat effect.
WOW, Chuck.....that is the most stunning bow I've ever seen! :bigsmyl:
What it the grip? Moose?
Simply stunning! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Best wishes,
Frank
As for the grip, I'm not exactly sure? It's a reddish brown color and smooth and seems like it's very tough leather. It could be moose perhaps? Or maybe the smooth side of elk? It looks too fine grained to be cow but who knows. It feels great and the grip shape on this one was a lucky find too, it's more of a teardrop, with a narrow edge on the belly side, not the more typical oval shape on some of HHA bows I've had.
Post by: nineworlds9 on March 22, 2017, 09:30:00 PM
I forgot how damn satisfying it is to shoot these things. They never lack for character. Even with a stock B50 string I'm getting only a pleasant low pulse on the shot, and dead quiet. Zero anything even close to "shock". This thing needs to get out in the woods soon!
Post by: David Mitchell on March 22, 2017, 09:32:00 PM
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Post by: nineworlds9 on March 22, 2017, 09:50:00 PM
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Originally posted by David Mitchell:LOL! We shall see David. The Mamba is going to be [email protected] thought about going 64@29 or even heavier, but honestly with low stretch string materials nowadays and me not really wanting to shoot logs, I think 55@29 is plenty, especially with how much I shoot...my general plan so far is to keep the Big5 around when I'm sore from the gym etc.
nineworlds9, just plan on sending that lefty bow on to me after you get your new mamba....please! I don't mean for free or anything like that either. I will give it a very good home. :D
Post by: jeffg on March 23, 2017, 06:09:00 AM
Post by: meatCKR on March 25, 2017, 10:37:00 PM
I think I will keep her. Man! What a Bow! Not bad looking either.
Steve
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Post by: MnFn on March 26, 2017, 08:26:00 PM
I have had a few go's with 66" bows and one 68". I get contact on my chest with the string, it cause me to hold the bow more vertical. Is that a bad thing?
I don't know why I want to shoot longbows, but I do. At times I shoot my 66" JDBerry Morning Star pretty well, almost as consistent as my with my recurves but then I launch a real dud of a shot.
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Post by: nineworlds9 on April 01, 2017, 09:58:00 PM
Pavan, so far I can tell you the Big5 black beauty isn't going anywhere! Loving this thing and actually can't wait to take a Hill style hunting for a change this year vs the short hybrids I've been using the last few years.
I'm getting real antsy for my Mamba, I think it should be ready in the next 2 weeks hopefully. Ugh. 5 weeks delivery seems like an eternity yet so short!
Mr. McBroom you're on my short list of Hill bowyers to try in the near future. You really do some beautiful work. Love the attention to detail on the nocks especially.
Post by: nineworlds9 on April 01, 2017, 09:59:00 PM
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Post by: MnFn on April 06, 2017, 10:23:00 AM
I called Mr Berry up and had a great conversation about shooting his bow, even tho I bought it used, he spent considerable time explaining how he shoots his bows.
I have been trying to get more consistent with it. I struggled for awhile with the right grip but got that figured out.
Now I can shoot fairly well at 14 yards, unless my shoulder collapses or I do not maintain my draw length at the shot. But when I control those things, it shoots a 55/60 with 145 or 160 heads nicely.
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd43/MnFn/20170128_081241_zpstqudbcet.jpg) (http://s222.photobucket.com/user/MnFn/media/20170128_081241_zpstqudbcet.jpg.html)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd43/MnFn/20170210_145204_zps84zv0kbd.jpg) (http://s222.photobucket.com/user/MnFn/media/20170210_145204_zps84zv0kbd.jpg.html)
Not that crazy about the color but it is a fun bow to shoot.
G
Post by: ron w on April 06, 2017, 11:34:00 AM
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Post by: two4hooking on April 06, 2017, 11:55:00 AM
Post by: centaur on April 14, 2017, 04:50:00 PM
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_1416_zpsq8j3ugop.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_1416_zpsq8j3ugop.jpg.html)
I strung the bow, tied on a nock, and went to the back yard. The first three shots from 15 paces were encouraging.
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_1414_zpsvu2pbfqj.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_1414_zpsvu2pbfqj.jpg.html)
The bow is virtually silent, with just a hint of string twang. No handshock that I could detect, and arrows fly downrange with authority.
James has done it again.
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac67/peastes/IMG_1433_zpspovwlhkw.jpg) (http://s886.photobucket.com/user/peastes/media/IMG_1433_zpspovwlhkw.jpg.html)
Post by: ron w on April 14, 2017, 05:02:00 PM
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Post by: Deno on April 17, 2017, 11:40:00 AM
Deno
Post by: nineworlds9 on April 17, 2017, 11:45:00 AM
Mamba #46 should be here any day now!
In the meantime I acquired new Fury strings for the Big5 and for the Mamba from Allen Shafer.
Guys all I can repeatedly say is that if you're shooting B50 on a modern Hill with tip wedges or tip overlays you're truly missing out.
The Big5 I've been shooting came with a B50 stock string and I gave it a chance as I hadn't shot a Hill with that material in a year or two or more and wanted to reassess what I basically already knew, just for kicks. The bow performed fine with B50, but you could tell it causes more armguard slap and keeping the brace height within a 1/4" is a challenge.
Soon as I got the Fury string last week and put it on, set my brace and took the first shot I laughed out loud. The Fury made what was already a nice shooting for a Hill bow superbly crisp and just a joy to shoot. Flatter shooting, just as quiet and the gentle bump from the B50 now transformed to a simple pulse. If you've been dead set on shooting B50 on your modern Hills I challenge you to try a properly made Flemish string made from Fury, BCY-X or Rhino etc, you will be pleased.
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Post by: David Mitchell on April 17, 2017, 09:31:00 PM
Post by: MnFn on April 19, 2017, 10:19:00 AM
I can see the practical side of a back quiver for some of my hunting. Especially since I don't generally like stuff hanging on my bow. I do have a Safari Tuff Duiker.
But with a back quiver do people generally prefer two blades?
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Post by: Learner on April 26, 2017, 08:11:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:LOL :bigsmyl:
I......Sweet shooting fast longbows are difficult for OCD people. Heck, the other day I went out to tune it up. There was no tuning that needed to be done and 330 arrows later there was still no tuning that needed to be done. I spent the evening watching TV with my release hand on ice.
Post by: ron w on April 26, 2017, 08:20:00 PM
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Post by: nineworlds9 on May 04, 2017, 08:55:00 PM
Pics and a review coming within the next day or so!
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Post by: Learner on May 05, 2017, 04:30:00 PM
I went to the HHA site yesterday, and they only had ONE pre-built bow for sale. That put me in a panic, since I want to order another custom one in a couple of months. I was hoping that they weren't going out of business!
So I called them, and they chuckled at my concern (either Jason or Craig, I think....they were on speaker phone, so I couldn't tell) and said that they have SO many orders right now, that they don't have time to build spares! That's a good thing for them.
They also told me that their turn around time is very long right now, due to the demand, at 7-8 weeks.
Post by: nineworlds9 on May 05, 2017, 10:10:00 PM
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Post by: nineworlds9 on May 05, 2017, 10:12:00 PM
I had Allen Shafer @ Tenring Strings make a special color coordinated Fury string for the bow that matches perfectly.
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Post by: DesertDude on May 05, 2017, 11:47:00 PM
Post by: Learner on May 06, 2017, 08:42:00 AM
Does it have a little backset? I understand that is the "normal" way that Craig builds his bows, unless string follow is specifically requested.
So how does it compare performance-wise to your Big 5?
Congratulations!
Post by: nineworlds9 on May 06, 2017, 10:27:00 AM
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Originally posted by Learner:It does have some backset. I originally asked Craig to do it in a string follow profile, but I think he may have done a little paternal overruling on my behalf, which I have no problem with since he had something very specific in mind with this edition and the bow shoots perfectly.
Beautiful, Chuck. Nice photos, also.
Does it have a little backset? I understand that is the "normal" way that Craig builds his bows, unless string follow is specifically requested.
So how does it compare performance-wise to your Big 5?
Congratulations!
The starkest difference between it and my 45@28 Big5 is the measurements on the limbs/tips:
Big5 1 1/8" at the fades, 1/2" at the top nock
Mamba 1" at the fades, 7/16" at top nock
again the Mamba is 55@29 so maybe 7# heavier than the Big5
The limb cross section of the Big5 is also slightly thicker and 4 lams, the Mamba is 6 lams if you count the thin carbon layer and it's not as thick as the Big5 but a heavier bow. Neat stuff.
I can't really say that the Mamba is decidedly different in draw feel other than being heavier. Both are butter smooth. Both shoot great. The Mamba is quite zippy, and I had Craig cut it as close to center as he was comfortable doing...this is another difference vs the Big5. Side by side the shelf on the Mamba appears at minimum another 1/2 or more arrow diameter closer to center than the Big5.
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Post by: FITTER on May 06, 2017, 10:02:00 PM
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Originally posted by nineworlds9:That is a handsome bow
Ok folks, I am delivering as promised! Here are my initial pics taken indoors of HHA Black Mamba #46! If you look closely at the second pic you can see the carbon layer under the green glass. The layers belly to back are: gray glass, two blonde boo, Cocobolo, two caramel boo, carbon, green glass. Macassar riser and tip overlays.
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Post by: matt steed on May 06, 2017, 11:09:00 PM
Looks great. Congratulations.
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JD Berry "Northstar" 52# @ 25", Surewood shaft w/ woodscrew adapter & Magnus Bullhead. Total wt. 660gr
Post by: Ray Lyon on May 09, 2017, 04:46:00 PM
:thumbsup:
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Post by: nineworlds9 on May 10, 2017, 10:31:00 PM
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Originally posted by flyguysc:Awesome! You're gonna love it!!
Just ordered #40 today from Craig.
Crispin great kill!
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Post by: nineworlds9 on May 19, 2017, 09:52:00 PM
I was shooting my Big Five tonight and did some experimenting with my release. Very interesting. I've always been a dynamic release/ pull through shooter using back tension and release landmark like touching my shoulder/elbow back, to accurate effect.
Well I decided to try a more static release tonight and was impressed with the results. Ive always shot with a swing draw, I preload and half draw as I am picking my spot and continue to draw while I raise my bow arm and by the time I lock in I am at full draw. Tonight I did that and still watched for back tension but this time I simply opened my hand once my fingers and thumb knuckle reached my anchor point along my jaw. My hand would still move back slightly and kind of slip along my face, but definitely not a pull through like where I touch my shoulder. I noticed very good accuracy doing this static release and the Big Five was as quiet as I've ever heard her be. I noticed I was also really paying attention to heeling the grip and applying even pressure along the life line on my hand, I think I was doing it before, but something about the static release made me notice it more. Something about this combo of grip and release really made the bow sweet. I watched a few videos of Howard and John and this seems the closest I've ever come to shooting in their fashion. Neat stuff.
Post by: Jim Picarelli on May 20, 2017, 09:46:00 AM
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Post by: frank bullitt on May 20, 2017, 10:59:00 AM
Love white glass, too!
Post by: Learner on May 20, 2017, 03:08:00 PM
Best wishes,
Frank
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Shick
Post by: Linwood Hines on May 20, 2017, 11:04:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:
Liner, Okay so I used to puff on some very expensive pipes loaded with Balkan Sobranie, but i have found that the stuff was better in a corncob with a good bit in it. I just do it now when the bugs are bad. My new bow will not have the fancy woods and lams, but when I get it, if I live that long, I will declare it to be prettier than yours. If you disagree, I will declare that some beholders eyes are better than others.
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Legend stick, tembo or big five. thoughts?
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Post by: nineworlds9 on May 23, 2017, 05:38:00 PM
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Originally posted by gvdocholiday:if it's the bow I'm thinking of that was a smoking deal for a RHer!
Just bought my first ASL. Picked up a Two Tracks Echo off a classifieds page. Cheap enough to make me give it a try.
Hill bows are lively but so forgiving! I can keep my arrows inside a pie plate without hardly a try vs more radical bows if I don't pay half attention I'll spray all over. They favor quick hunting shots.
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Post by: shick on May 24, 2017, 02:39:00 PM
Shick
Post by: nineworlds9 on May 24, 2017, 03:28:00 PM
I should qualify this by saying he^ is right about setting your brace to your desired height, I just figured you're prolly in a fairly normal range right? So AMO should do you fine, 3" less, ya know?
Post by: nineworlds9 on May 24, 2017, 03:33:00 PM
Post by: K2 on May 24, 2017, 06:33:00 PM
What colors did you order for yours? Your string matched nicely. Thanks, Ken
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Post by: meatCKR on July 03, 2017, 09:09:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/lsQnean.jpg)
Steve
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Post by: meatCKR on July 03, 2017, 10:30:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/NwnNaWM.jpg)
There is a permanent :bigsmyl: on my face over this one!
Steve
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Post by: R. Graddy on July 04, 2017, 02:56:00 PM
Received this from Mike at 7 Lakes a few days ago! Really am liking it so far! Silent Night 68" 42# @ 28, I draw 31 so about 50#. Still getting used to the dished grip but it's growing on me!
(http://i95.fastpic.ru/big/2017/0704/99/4241bdc96eb3adac62f08e26ee95cd99.jpg) (http://fastpic.ru/view/95/2017/0704/4241bdc96eb3adac62f08e26ee95cd99.jpg.html)
Post by: nineworlds9 on July 04, 2017, 05:10:00 PM
That 7 Lakes looks ace!
Post by: Rock 'N Bow on July 06, 2017, 07:15:00 PM
I had to delete the pics I uploaded from Fast Pic as a precaution.
I braced it at 6" and shot my Surewood 75-80 with 190gr points. Not only did they hit the mark but did so quietly even without silencers. The turnaround time was quick(7 weeks) and it is reasonably priced.
Post by: 4dogs on July 06, 2017, 07:40:00 PM
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Post by: on July 07, 2017, 10:05:00 AM
At the moment, I don't know if that bowyer is a sponsor. If not, it would not be appropriate to post a link or any contact info here...
Post by: Linwood Hines on July 07, 2017, 11:53:00 AM
Post by: on July 08, 2017, 12:48:00 PM
Just a day in the Life...
:archer:
Post by: Mike Taylor2 on July 11, 2017, 08:58:00 PM
Post by: on July 12, 2017, 08:14:00 PM
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Originally posted by David Mitchell:Absolutely! I shot one of Chucks Echos at the annual GLLI gathering in Michigan a couple years back.
gvdocholiday, I believe you will find that Echo about as nice as any ASL longbow out there. I think it is one of the more overlooked longbows being made and doesn't get the attention it deserves.
AWESOME bow and Bowyer - you won't be dissapointed if you are an ASL addict...
:archer:
Post by: nineworlds9 on July 12, 2017, 10:08:00 PM
So this just happened, mint and gotten for a steal from a benevolent enabler:
69" 62@28, myrtle riser, 5 lams of boo, white belly, black back. Apparently Craig built a few of these off of the Wesley Special formula but to mimic Howard's famous bow White Eagle? It has a deep teardrop/wedge grip too.
This isn't one of Craig's limited editions but I'm curious if it was something Craig cooked up based on customers wishes. From my research this isn't the only one Craig built.
It should make a nice counterpart to my new Mamba
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Post by: David Mitchell on July 13, 2017, 11:23:00 AM
Post by: SteveL on July 13, 2017, 12:53:00 PM
Anyway, I'm getting to the point of wanting to drop bow weight and will be ordering a new Hill soon. My question is do you feel a 45lb bow will be OK for deer and smallish hogs? I can shoot 50-55lbs decent enough, but don't like practicing with it for many many shots.
Thanks!
ps - I admit to being smitten by Mr. Picarelli's ebony and white glass Tembo (page 299). Very classy to my eye.
Post by: nineworlds9 on July 13, 2017, 12:55:00 PM
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Post by: SteveL on July 13, 2017, 01:18:00 PM
Post by: David Mitchell on July 13, 2017, 01:22:00 PM
SteveL, I have killed lots of hogs with various bows and I would not hesitate to shoot "smallish hogs" as you refer to with this bow.
Post by: toddster on July 14, 2017, 07:56:00 AM
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Post by: nineworlds9 on July 14, 2017, 10:16:00 AM
Post by: nineworlds9 on July 14, 2017, 10:23:00 AM
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Originally posted by David Mitchell:David I'm glad it arrived and that it's what you were expecting. That deeper tear drop shaped grip is the bees knees.
Chuck, yes, it came a couple of weeks ago. Looks just exactly like the one you had except the moose hide grip is not quite as red. It's dark tan and goes real well with the ebony riser and bamboo cores. This bow is 42@28 and shoots like a heavier draw weight as far as performance goes. I think it is the best of all the Hills I have had. I have a couple of longbows by top makers that have just enough thump on the shot to aggravate my arthritic base knuckle on the pointer finger of my bow hand--but not this one. No issues with my Redman in that area either. Surprisingly, I have a string follow longbow by a very well known bowyer that hurts enough after several shots that I have to hang it up. Neither of my hills is SF.
SteveL, I have killed lots of hogs with various bows and I would not hesitate to shoot "smallish hogs" as you refer to with this bow.
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Post by: nineworlds9 on July 23, 2017, 08:26:00 PM
Well, the barn-find "White Eagle" Wesley Special I showed off finally arrived yesterday. Will McQueen really hooked me up with this one. Still can't believe its a 2002 built bow its like brand new! Man what a bow! The grip is 2 1/4 inches deep and wedge shaped, SO perfect to hold, and the dang thing doesn't even feel like 62#, must be the 69 inches haha. My first Wesley Special, I'm pretty impressed. Something special about it being a mimic of one of Howard's. Def giving it some time in the woods this fall.
Btw, McBroom forward-handle stringfollow headed my way, stay tuned for a little review later this week.
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Post by: Ari_Bonn on July 24, 2017, 08:59:00 PM
70" 50# @ 28 (48.5# at my draw of 27)
String follow, Walnut limb core, myrtle riser, brown glass front and back, tip wedge, 450+ string.
Super happy with it reminds me of an ancient forrest. Also extremely smooth and ghostly quiet.
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Post by: nineworlds9 on July 24, 2017, 09:21:00 PM
I got the new McBroom forward handle stringfollow in today. It is great. Workmanship not all that far off from Ekin, JD Berry, Turay, and for quite a deal of a price comparatively. I think Brian will be one of the top guys before too long. Thing shoots superb, a really really fun ASL to shoot.
Stay tuned for pics...
Post by: jeffg on July 24, 2017, 09:54:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/TXnHvHp.jpg)
Post by: nineworlds9 on July 24, 2017, 11:22:00 PM
I see your Ramer, and raise you a McBroom!
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more pics tomorrow!
Post by: nineworlds9 on July 25, 2017, 03:41:00 PM
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Post by: jeffg on July 25, 2017, 06:51:00 PM
Post by: ron w on July 29, 2017, 04:02:00 PM
Post by: flyguysc on July 29, 2017, 04:14:00 PM
Post by: Learner on July 29, 2017, 04:53:00 PM
Is the red elm on the outer lams? And clear glass? I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures!
I'm waiting for my Half Breed to be finished. I ordered it June 13th, so the time is getting close. Yew outer lams under clear glass, bamboo inners, gaboon ebony riser and limb tips, black elk wrap,and large takedown grip.
When I get that one, I will be sending back my Big 5 to have the split cowhide wrap changed to moose, and have Craig autograph it and refinish it.
Best wishes,
Frank
Post by: ron w on July 29, 2017, 07:02:00 PM
Post by: on July 30, 2017, 02:47:00 PM
Post by: evgb127 on July 31, 2017, 09:05:00 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/zGWGPvI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/endTOz7.jpg)
Now the fun of tuning begins...
Post by: David Mitchell on July 31, 2017, 09:07:00 AM
Post by: flyguysc on July 31, 2017, 10:05:00 AM
Post by: Learner on July 31, 2017, 10:51:00 AM
As far as tuning: if you're shooting wood arrows, IMO, there shouldn't be too much tuning involved when shooting a Hill style ASL.
I picked up one of those "spine test kits", and found that from 41# up to 57#, my HH Big 5 shoots pretty much the same. That is to say, deviation in the flight of the arrows was FAR more due to my technique, than it was to the arrow spine! :eek:
Same for nocking point placement. After a lot of experimentation, I found that an arrow showing "nock up" or "nock down" on impact was again almost totally due to my (defective) technique, than it was to nocking point placement. :archer2:
So now I set my nocks at 1/2" up, and don't mess any more with them. Since my shafts are 11/32" in diameter. that puts the bottom edge of my arrow at slightly over 1/8" up from level with the shelf.
My technique is slowly improving. As I get better at keeping the direction of pulling force in perfect alignment with the arrow point (both vertically and horizontally), my arrows fly flatter and with a straighter trajectory. (I'm referring here to keeping the force of my bow grip, the string, my wrist, my arm, and my right elbow all perfectly aligned with each other and with the arrow point.)
FWIW: my Big 5 is 45# @ 27". Currently I'm shooting 50-55# spine, 11/32" POC arrows, cut to 28.5" BOP. My draw is 27".
Best wishes,
Frank
Post by: shick on July 31, 2017, 11:12:00 AM
Shick
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Post by: Linwood Hines on July 31, 2017, 11:08:00 PM
Post by: on August 01, 2017, 02:08:00 AM
Post by: Learner on August 01, 2017, 08:41:00 AM
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Originally posted by pavan:Thank you, Larry.
..............Of course, you know that "Upon release, with both hands do nothing.", does not mean a sloppy or weak release.........John said once that the shooter needs to have themselves tuned before they start blaming the equipment..............
That is exactly my finding, with regards to having myself "tuned" first. I'm not yet at the point where small differences in my setup translate into noticeable differences in the result, since most of the problems relate to me, not the setup. I am very grateful, though, that at least I can recognize it now, instead of thinking it's the gear.
Come to think of it, maybe that's the hidden meaning behind "it shoots where you point it": if you point it badly, it flies badly!
Also recently I've discovered that I'm more discerning of problems caused by my release versus that caused by poor alignment. Most of the time it's more my alignment that's the issue. My release is actually pretty "dead" now. with little or no movement, and little plucking. When I pluck I immediately know it.
But on the topic of gear tuning: after reading how you do your initial setup, maybe that's why I'm now shooting 50-55" POC with my 45# Big 5, since I cut mine 28.5" BOP with a 27" draw, with 145 gr. points, resulting in a weaker arrow.
Best wishes,
Frank
Post by: Learner on August 01, 2017, 08:49:00 AM
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Originally posted by pavan:Excellent tip, Larry. Thank you.
........When people come to me for arrows for a Hill style bow, I set up the bow right in the middle of the makers suggestion range, a wood arrow with 125 grain heads with 3/4" to an inch of of extra bop and right at the marked poundage, adjusted to draw lengths. I have not seen once that when the shooters problems were fixed and they were shooting consistent that the arrow chosen did not work good enough......
Frank
Post by: MnFn on August 01, 2017, 10:21:00 AM
For you guys that are further along than I, please keep posting, keep this post current.
Thank vou very much, even the simplest things may help someone.
Gary
Post by: Learner on August 01, 2017, 11:04:00 AM
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Originally posted by MnFn:Larry (pavan) has been at it a long time. He is a wealth of information.
I am still trying to shoot longbows proficiently and some of the comments are reasonating with me.
For you guys that are further along than I, please keep posting, keep this post current.
Thank vou very much, even the simplest things may help someone.
Gary
Although I've never met any of them in person, the advice that Larry, Greg (two4hooking) and Nate (Sunset Hill bows) have taken the time to share with me, via email and phone, have been most helpful.
It seems that with Hill bows (shooting the method that Howard and John espoused) it's the simple things that matter. I have found that John's (Schulz's) video is just loaded with nuggets of wisdom. Basically, everything in that video plays an important part in getting a good shot with an ASL.
For me at least (since I don't have the best "muscle awareness"), learning to shoot the ASL well is a very slow process. But I am grateful for each little revelation that I discover along this journey.
Two areas where I have deviated from the "orthodoxy" slightly: First, I nock under, whereas John taught to nock over. However, I can pull an arrow from my back quiver, align it, nock it, and come to draw without ever looking, with no problem. I prefer nocking under since if the nock is slightly loose on the string, it won't slide up the string when sitting on the shelf.
Secondly, I have lately found that doing some exercises where I come to full draw and hold, then let down, serves to help train my muscles to "know" when I am properly in alignment. Then when I shoot the swing draw, I have more confidence and less target panic. It also helps to build strength in my drawing shoulder lower muscle groups (where the "draw" should originate).
As I have had shared with me, once one starts learning to shoot the ASL, they need to put aside their recurves until they learn the proper ASL form. I have done so, and have not shot my recurves since I got my Big 5 in January.
Best wishes,
Frank
Post by: on August 01, 2017, 02:21:00 PM
Concerning point two, I have only twice in over 50 years of deer hunting have let down a fully drawn arrow. Some people cannot draw on a target that they are very familiar with, hold and let down, they will release. Some like to call it TP, I do not, because most of the time these same individuals have no problem accurately shooting large and small game with extreme accuracy and speed. However, every time I go out, I draw and aim at various tiny objects and let down as my warm up. I have seen in others and also for time myself, where shooting at the same target at the same ranges can create an automatic response release. When that begins it is time to mix things up and go stump shooting and when stump shooting, shoot with direct determination, not to hold and let down, but to say, "I am going to shoot that exact spot and with full determinations, shoot." I like to think about what 'am' going to do when shooting. Constantly practicing what you are 'not' going to do can get the shot process confused, as in saying, "I am 'not' going to shoot. In a few weeks with my new bow, when I see a cottontail or a dove, I am not going look at that at that dove or rabbit and tell myself I am going to draw but not shoot. I am going to, with full determination, shoot.
Good point on sticking with a single bow or at least a single type of bow. Although, I am prone to switch hands when I find a place to park myself when deer hunting. I find the option very convenient and my next bow will also have that feature, of course, the back quiver has to come off when I do that.
Post by: Learner on August 01, 2017, 04:00:00 PM
Let me clarify my observations a little:
When I do a hold for a time, I will usually let down; other times I will actually do a delayed release.
That's because instinctively I will (from practicing the swing draw) always release as soon as (or sometimes unintentionally before) I hit anchor. If releasing too much before, the undesired result is my shot form can start to become compromised, and my aim and trajectory decays. I'm then left wondering "What am I doing differently?". All I know is that it is not feeling quite right.
To get it back on track I use the extended hold to remind my muscle memory "this is what it should feel like when everything is lined up and you are ready to release".
I actually never have the problem of "holding" when I should have released immediately. Quite the opposite! 95% of my practice shots are actually immediate release, no holding. The urge to release is so strong that many times I can't hold, even when I want to!
For me the other benefit of (occasional) holding exercises is not just developing muscle memory, but it is also building that needed muscle strength in the appropriate muscles. Sort of like weight lifting with slow reps
I play the violin (a little) also. When my violin bowing gets off track, slowing the stroke down, taking full strokes, and analyzing the feel in the process, serves a similar function.
Best wishes,
Frank
Post by: two4hooking on August 02, 2017, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: on August 02, 2017, 07:23:00 PM
Post by: Learner on August 02, 2017, 08:28:00 PM
He said that it is being shipped today. He had told me it would be about 7 to 8 weeks, and it was exactly 7 weeks since I finalized the order.
Thank you Craig!
Post by: gatradbow on August 02, 2017, 08:44:00 PM
Post by: on August 02, 2017, 09:14:00 PM
Trad Gang has a great many sponsors that have earned a solid reputation for quality Hill-style bows and those sponsors can guide you through the many options that may apply to your needs and desires.
You will undoubtedly get at least a dozen different recommendations from a dozen different members here....and they will all be right!
Just sit back and absorb what you can...ask questions and get answers.
Good luck on your search! :archer:
Tony
Post by: gatradbow on August 02, 2017, 09:48:00 PM
Post by: on August 02, 2017, 10:56:00 PM
While there are a number of different available bows, the time line may be consideration or not, some have bows on hand. You may end up with a 62" or a 64" depending on where your form stabilizes with a longbow.
Post by: Learner on August 02, 2017, 11:16:00 PM
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Originally posted by gatradbow:Hello Stephen:
For a 5'8 man and 24 inch draw what Hill style bow and brand do you recommend? Thanks
As Tony mentioned, there are many excellent bowyers here who build ASL bows. There are some I'd eventually like to own.
But my first two I ordered from Howard Hill Archery, owned by Craig Ekins and his family. Years ago, his father Ted was in business with the legendary Howard Hill, and when Mr. Hill got out of the manufacturing business, Ted was granted the right to keep producing bows based on Howard's designs. When Ted passed on, Craig inherited the business. He is the master bowyer there.
Craig will give you good advice and build a bow to your exact needs.
Something of which you may or may not be aware: your draw length with a Hill style ASL will generally be an inch to an inch and a half shorter than with a comparable recurve bow.
Something else to keep in mind: if you have a bow built to a very short draw length, it could take a while to sell it if you ever decide to get rid of it (I've seen this happen in the classifieds of another site). So you could always have a bow built to a more standard draw (27" or longer"), but at a weight higher than you would want. So lets say that you'd want a bow to draw 50# @ 24": you could order it as 58# @ 27", which would give you around 50# at your draw length. Someone then who wanted a 27" draw could then later buy it from you, and be able to safely achieve their draw length of 27" wihout overdrawing it.
Best wishes,
Frank
Post by: on August 03, 2017, 03:17:00 AM
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Post by: gatradbow on August 03, 2017, 07:08:00 AM
Post by: Learner on August 03, 2017, 08:08:00 AM
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Originally posted by pavan:Larry, the link which you used for this photo does not allow it to be embedded here in your post. Instead it is only taking us to your flickr gallery. An embedded photo link must end with a .jpg extension, or something similar. (Also not certain that a https link will work; it may have to be just http).
Let me try this flicky thing.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/150815646@N03/shares/H687m7
Try this: on tbe lower right side of your photo screen on flickr is a lttle right twist arrow. Click that, and hopefully there is some way to get a proper link for embedded posting into a forum.
Best wishes,
Frank
Post by: on August 03, 2017, 03:07:00 PM
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Post by: Learner on August 03, 2017, 03:31:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:Yes, it is.
Okay imgur is way easier than that flicky thing.
(http://i.imgur.com/useYvbM.jpg?3)
Also, when you embed a photo from Imgur you can choose the BBcode link, which allows direct pasting into a post without the need to use the "image" link button here in tbe forums.
Best wishes,
Frank
Post by: two4hooking on August 03, 2017, 04:50:00 PM
Post by: on August 03, 2017, 10:28:00 PM
Post by: Learner on August 03, 2017, 11:15:00 PM
I remember reading how Howard would take arrows of different spine, length, etc, from various archers at a shoot, and then shoot them all very well. (It might have been in Craig's book, but I've also read it on the forums.)
Anyway, to me that illustrates the point that with ASLs and wood arrows, tuning is not as critical as one might assume.
Best wishes,
Frank
Post by: two4hooking on August 04, 2017, 08:09:00 AM
Every now and then I get into a tuning tizzy trying to micro-tune arrows and then ultimately realize I am wasting my time because my form is not as consistent as I need.
Post by: kevsuperg on August 04, 2017, 09:57:00 AM
As mentioned before getting the nock under my eye seems to be essential to my accuracy .
I notice tho in cavalcade of archery Mr hill seems to have his draw hand and therefore the nock off to the side of his cheek rather than under the eye.
Any thoughts on that?.
Post by: on August 04, 2017, 01:37:00 PM
Post by: kevsuperg on August 04, 2017, 03:57:00 PM
Did he have a solid anchor, doesn't seem so from the videos I've watched.
I guess he was just "one with the bow " as it were.
Post by: on August 04, 2017, 04:20:00 PM
Post by: Learner on August 04, 2017, 05:56:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:LOL!!!
......I wonder what was called a miss. Something like, "I was shooting at the bumble bee's head, I missed and hit him in the butt."
:thumbsup:
Post by: MikeNova on August 05, 2017, 05:24:00 PM
Post by: Terry Green on August 05, 2017, 05:33:00 PM
Post by: kevsuperg on August 05, 2017, 07:04:00 PM
Mike I'm taking my Wesley special out starting Aug 30th. Was planning on using a recurve again this year but man now that my hill is tuned I can't put it down.
I'm just struggling with bow quiver vs no bow quiver
Post by: Ari_Bonn on August 07, 2017, 02:44:00 PM
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Post by: on August 07, 2017, 03:41:00 PM
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Post by: two4hooking on August 07, 2017, 04:00:00 PM
I think you will like that serving also....
Post by: on August 07, 2017, 04:02:00 PM
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Post by: ron w on August 07, 2017, 07:52:00 PM
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Post by: two4hooking on August 07, 2017, 08:42:00 PM
Post by: stik&string on August 08, 2017, 04:02:00 PM
Post by: Green on August 08, 2017, 07:15:00 PM
Post by: Learner on August 08, 2017, 09:13:00 PM
Frank
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Post by: RJonesRCRV on August 11, 2017, 08:18:00 PM
I guess Dale Phillips was a bowyer for Howard Hill back in the late '40s or early '50s. The Nodebow is 3 bamboo lams with a walnut riser. I got it from Tom Parsons. It was a lefty, Tom told me to cut it into a righty. My geometry of the new sight window isnt exactly like the original, and my new grip came out a bit off center, but it shoots great.
It has some string follow; I think thats the right term.
You can see what looks like Hill style broadheads in the emblem.
(http://i.imgur.com/4GkwBf6.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/aHDzItU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gGsN8jr.jpg)
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Post by: nineworlds9 on August 11, 2017, 09:00:00 PM
The Kimsha is a mild deflex-reflex that braces to a D shape. They are sweet. Call me not a purist but as much as I enjoy Hill bows I love a good mild D/R bow.
Post by: RJonesRCRV on August 11, 2017, 09:17:00 PM
Post by: ron w on August 11, 2017, 09:33:00 PM
Post by: two4hooking on August 12, 2017, 05:20:00 PM
Post by: RJonesRCRV on August 12, 2017, 07:24:00 PM
Post by: MnFn on August 15, 2017, 03:22:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:
[QB] Hill wrote that his arrow travels from right to left in his sight line. He anchored past the corner of his mouth with the bow canted. The further one is from the target the less degree that will appear to be. With bows that are less center shot, I cant the bow more. When Hill wrote that his bows were not at all center shot, they never were center shot, probably in his pre-fiberglass days. He added the little leather foots as an arrow rest because his bows did not have much if any sight window cut outs. Staying away from that silly paradox theory stuff, Hill acknowledged his arrow position, according to his writing, although John Schulz said that he never taught that to him in the 50s. I suppose that over time the secondary 'imaginary' aiming point becomes instinctive, but over time the normal hand/eye coordination subconsciously develops a similar
Re: "with bows that are less center shot, I cant the bow more"
Good tip Paven. I tried that with my Morning Star yesterday and it seemed to help.
Post by: frank bullitt on August 26, 2017, 08:17:00 AM
Been chasing skwerls, groundhogs here!
Post by: kevsuperg on August 26, 2017, 12:20:00 PM
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Originally posted by frank bullitt:Hold tight, whitetail opens Aug 30 and elk opens Sept 6. I'll keep ya posted on how the Wesley special does.
Any Hill Kills?
Been chasing skwerls, groundhogs here!
Post by: on August 26, 2017, 12:56:00 PM
Post by: on September 02, 2017, 06:59:00 PM
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on September 09, 2017, 11:21:00 AM
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on September 13, 2017, 02:38:00 AM
Post by: Ari_Bonn on September 15, 2017, 02:23:00 AM
Post by: Steve Clandinin on September 15, 2017, 03:23:00 PM
Post by: Ari_Bonn on September 15, 2017, 10:57:00 PM
Apparently the demand just died down too much once the r/d design came out.
You talking about Ron Boormnan by chance?
The bow Pavan is talking about might be the "Falcon" which is supposed to be ultra smooth.
Post by: Steve Clandinin on September 18, 2017, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: CHENRYIV on September 20, 2017, 09:48:00 PM
64" JD Berry Vixen, Surewood shaft & Ace Broadhead
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(http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x363/chenryiv/2017%20Deer%20Harvest/7249AA7A-7086-4A71-90EE-B3EF276A0FE4_zpsj8tazj9i.jpg) (http://s1178.photobucket.com/user/chenryiv/media/2017%20Deer%20Harvest/7249AA7A-7086-4A71-90EE-B3EF276A0FE4_zpsj8tazj9i.jpg.html)
Post by: Buckeye1977 on September 20, 2017, 10:19:00 PM
Post by: frank bullitt on September 21, 2017, 06:29:00 AM
Good shootin to ya!
Post by: canopyboy on September 21, 2017, 08:53:00 AM
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Originally posted by frank bullitt:Last weekend:
Any Hill Kills?
Been chasing skwerls, groundhogs here!
(https://i.imgur.com/hGuSDmI.jpg)
Post by: canopyboy on September 21, 2017, 08:54:00 AM
Post by: nineworlds9 on September 21, 2017, 09:23:00 AM
Post by: Moots on September 28, 2017, 12:14:00 PM
I haven't posted for a long time here, but thought I would share some pictures of my new Misty Dawn built by James Berry. This is the finest ASL I have owned. James is building some special bows right now.
Moots
(https://i.imgur.com/DizV3vAb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4Bs9MOCb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RuWiZqxb.jpg)
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Post by: gatradbow on September 28, 2017, 03:42:00 PM
Post by: Moots on September 28, 2017, 04:20:00 PM
Post by: MnFn on September 30, 2017, 04:31:00 PM
While I was out there I decided to take a couple of longbows and practice from another stand location. I don't get much chance to do that.
I took my 50# Liberty Chief and one of 'ol One Eye's bows, a 66" 52# Morningstar. I have never hunted with the MS so I wanted to see how it would work out of a tree stand. No problem whatsoever.
I won't bore you with a shot of the wonderful shooting
Post by: MikeNova on September 30, 2017, 08:01:00 PM
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Post by: MnFn on October 01, 2017, 10:20:00 PM
Currently, I have no side plate on it. I am looking for the thinnest material that would work as a side plate as I occasionally get a little noise when drawing the arrow back, but not always. Any ideas?
Post by: frank bullitt on October 02, 2017, 10:43:00 AM
Post by: MnFn on October 02, 2017, 10:59:00 AM
Post by: ron w on November 02, 2017, 07:23:00 PM
Post by: 4dogs on November 02, 2017, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: Yohon on November 12, 2017, 08:29:00 PM
Tembo at 15 yards or so and I finally got my first deer with a longbow, what a challenge these bows are but flat out fun!!!
Post by: ron w on November 12, 2017, 09:00:00 PM
Post by: Learner on November 12, 2017, 09:47:00 PM
Best wishes,
Frank
Post by: JDBerry on November 13, 2017, 09:53:00 AM
Post by: neargeezer on November 13, 2017, 02:41:00 PM
Post by: centaur on November 15, 2017, 08:03:00 AM
The mad bowyer continues to create awesome bows.
Post by: ron w on November 15, 2017, 08:39:00 AM
Post by: Charlie Lamb on November 17, 2017, 08:15:00 AM
Post by: MnFn on November 18, 2017, 10:31:00 PM
I should have taken my Heater Body Suit, but I was looking for sign and just ended up in one of my older ladderstand sites.
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Post by: centaur on November 22, 2017, 07:30:00 AM
Pavan, we are fortunate to have lots of turkeys, and I am happy to cull the flocks from time to time. They are great fun and a great challenge to stalk.
Post by: flyguysc on November 22, 2017, 07:38:00 PM
Post by: frank bullitt on November 22, 2017, 07:51:00 PM
Dave's bows are sweet!
I still have his cedar wood, business card, from the 80s!
Post by: MnFn on November 26, 2017, 12:27:00 AM
Post by: nek4me on November 27, 2017, 12:59:00 PM
I don't know what I'm missing but know I'm missing something. Not quite a bite yet but feel something crawling up my leg! :dunno:
Post by: ron w on November 27, 2017, 01:20:00 PM
Post by: frank bullitt on November 27, 2017, 07:30:00 PM
Post by: nek4me on December 01, 2017, 12:40:00 PM
As I contemplate a future HH bow was thinking about tab vs glove. Do any of you use a tab with HH Bows? Haven't used a glove in over 20 years and was not planning a change anytime soon. And that glove got mailed out after last year's St Jude.
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Post by: evgb127 on December 12, 2017, 01:05:00 PM
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Suggestions welcomed.
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Post by: Yohon on December 16, 2017, 03:40:00 PM
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Post by: shick on December 16, 2017, 06:06:00 PM
Shick
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Post by: two4hooking on December 18, 2017, 09:26:00 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/T3C5SzW.jpg) (https://imgur.com/T3C5SzW)
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Perfect specs and nice color combo. There will be pics when you get it, right?
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Post by: MnFn on December 23, 2017, 10:50:00 AM
Some days I can't miss and then there are those other days.
Post by: Learner on December 23, 2017, 02:04:00 PM
Here they are:
Big 5 on the left, Half Breed on the right:
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Big 5: 45# @ 27", 66", caramelized bamboo on all lams, Texas ebony riser, red-brown elk wrap; (Craig refinished, signed it, and rewrapped it for me several months after I bought it):
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Half Breed: 50# @ 27", 66", yew outer/bamboo inner lams, Macassar ebony riser, black elk wrap:
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Frank
Post by: flyguysc on December 24, 2017, 10:47:00 PM
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Post by: Linwood Hines on January 01, 2018, 10:29:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:You guys inspired me a few years ago - back to the #1 thread - so I've bought all of mine because of you (you devils, but thank you for the memories someone once sang). Thru them all, I have three HHA and one Jet right now. If y'all put anymore pretty pictures up, I might have to find a way to get another, darnitall ;-) KEEP IT UP!
I wonder how many longbows were built due to this thread. I also wonder how many of those new longbow shooters have left the farm and have gone back to bendier utensils.
Post by: on January 02, 2018, 12:30:00 AM
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Originally posted by Linwood Hines:I'm still here...and shoot ASL's exclusvely...,
QuoteOriginally posted by pavan:You guys inspired me a few years ago - back to the #1 thread - so I've bought all of mine because of you (you devils, but thank you for the memories someone once sang). Thru them all, I have three HHA and one Jet right now. If y'all put anymore pretty pictures up, I might have to find a way to get another, darnitall ;-) KEEP IT UP! [/b]
I wonder how many longbows were built due to this thread. I also wonder how many of those new longbow shooters have left the farm and have gone back to bendier utensils.
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I have only acquired two because of this thread. I apologize for such a small showing.
Post by: Overspined on January 06, 2018, 01:46:00 PM
Post by: Learner on January 06, 2018, 03:26:00 PM
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I started shooting R/D when I started making them...otherwise almost exclusively Hill style. I will shoot about anything and really like all styles of bow, but Hill style is my “go to”. Once I figured out shooting Hill style bows I can now shoot anything and almost any grip. I used to think grips were such a big deal but now I believe it’s more about mechanics and the correct “hold” and arm positions. If the tiller is decent and it shoots, I’ll shoot it. I have a lot of bows..and just make another one if there’s something I want. Lol. A buddy will lend me his curve forms if I want a noisy bow.. :D
Agreed! I love the quietness of my Hills! If they ever sound noisy I know immediately that my form has slipped!
Frank
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Post by: Pat Ct on February 05, 2018, 10:13:00 PM
Thanks a bunch! Pat.
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Originally posted by Overspined:
I started shooting R/D when I started making them...otherwise almost exclusively Hill style. I will shoot about anything and really like all styles of bow, but Hill style is my “go to”. Once I figured out shooting Hill style bows I can now shoot anything and almost any grip. I used to think grips were such a big deal but now I believe it’s more about mechanics and the correct “hold” and arm positions. If the tiller is decent and it shoots, I’ll shoot it. I have a lot of bows..and just make another one if there’s something I want. Lol. A buddy will lend me his curve forms if I want a noisy bow.. :D
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Post by: evgb127 on February 10, 2018, 01:27:00 PM
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Overall, I really like this bow. The finish isn't as nice as my Tembo, but the grip suits me and it is a pleasure to shoot. It's a shame it's raining today, otherwise I'd be out chasing small game with it right now.
Post by: Overspined on February 10, 2018, 08:22:00 PM
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Originally posted by pavan:Pavan, there are definitely grips I don’t prefer...I had an older Hill that was so sharp in the belly side that it hurt to shoot. I could shoot it but I sure didn’t like it, and I sold it. I should probably have just altered it, but when you glue up a Hill style you kind of do it with a grip shape all planned out. At least I do..
I need to disagree on the grip aspect a bit. Whether it is dished straight or what ever may not be a big deal, but when a grip get far to big for a smaller hand, it becomes unnatural and one can start wrestling with it. Also, some of us may have spent years loading printing presses with heavy and slippery enameled paper and developed very thick muscles on the palm side of our hands. A deep and thick bow grip will tend to feel like it wants to swim. While on the other side someone with a thinner long fingered bony hand may find that a very sharp grip can be painful, even to the point of causing contact bruises. Even with my thick hands, I had a locator grip that bruised my bow hand because the contour had a corner that did not match my hand. A slight bit of reshaping cured the problem. For most a 2&1/8" grip will work.
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(Just listed it in the classifieds, feel free to take a look)
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Originally posted by pavan:I also will disagree with this statement as it applies to me...and to me alone. I have owned and shot numerous hills in the past six years or so and have found by handling and shooting all of them that the grip configuration alone, without regard to the "thickness" can be a major distraction. Dished, sharp(er) or mild, straight and short(er), teardrop...whatever.
I need to disagree on the grip aspect a bit. Whether it is dished straight or what ever may not be a big deal, but when a grip get far to big for a smaller hand, it becomes unnatural and one can start wrestling with it.
I have modified most of those bows grips to accomodate my grip preference.
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Originally posted by pavan:Yeah...its not difficult to do. I never really felt any "pain" or even discomfort with sharp(er) grips / deeper dish but just an annoying "sumpin ain't right" feeling...
I have handed down a number of Hill style bows. I got into the habit of buying them when people just wanted to get rid of them. At least half of those that I have given out had the grips adjusted to match the person that I gave them to. I am always surprised how many young guys these days have bony hands that feel pain when shooting a sharp longbow grip. It is very easy to flattened and gently round the edge of a grip. A shot of quick dry poly, some new deer hide on the grip and they good to go. I have witnessed immediate improvement when the grip suits them. Even Howard Hill corrected his grips at times.
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I’ve asked a few questions on this thread about ASL’s. Thanks for everyone’s help ..
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=156966&p=2#000022
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http://traditionalknowhow.blogspot.com/2018/05/refinements-to-hunting-back-quiver.html
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Post by: Linwood Hines on May 27, 2018, 10:13:14 PM
For those who use a back quiver for hunting, I wrote a little blog on some of the refinements / customization I do with the quiver that might be of interest.Thanks for this two4hooking! I enjoyed your blog. I wondered if there is a way to receive and email notice when you write a new subject/post there? I've enjoyed using one of Nate's quivers for a few years now! He really does make it work wonderfully! Oh, how I would like one of his bows!
http://traditionalknowhow.blogspot.com/2018/05/refinements-to-hunting-back-quiver.html
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Post by: Linwood Hines on May 27, 2018, 10:36:10 PM
If anyone knows Mr. Graf - if for example he is on this forum - I would like to get in touch with him to ask some questions.
Post by: two4hooking on May 28, 2018, 09:35:03 AM
Steve Graf is on the TAS forum as well as the traditional bowhunter magazine forum. You can contact him through there I know.
Great book BTW.
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Post by: evgb127 on June 22, 2018, 10:00:34 AM
I took my Big Five on a “safari” this morning.
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Post by: Rock 'N Bow on July 06, 2018, 05:51:14 PM
The gloss black back and white belly add a touch of class. It shoots even better than it looks. I set the brace height to 5 3/4" per Dave's instructions and nocked a 65-70 Fir arrow with 190gr point. The first shot was dead center.
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Post by: limbshaker on July 08, 2018, 05:03:44 PM
Here’s a 69” 38# I finished a couple weeks ago..
That's a very good looking bow! I think the grip would be really nice. Good work!
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Post by: Hoosierarcher88 on July 30, 2018, 03:58:26 AM
Its official. Ive been bitten bad. Northern mist shelton. Im loving this thing.
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Post by: evgb127 on July 30, 2018, 01:43:23 PM
I can’t get over how much I enjoy shooting ASL’s. My effective range has also increased. Yesterday I shot my Big 5 and had great groupings at 30 yards. Straight grips just seem to work for me.
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Post by: limbshaker on July 31, 2018, 08:32:36 AM
I did an odd thing this morning. First of all I got up early, that is not a musician's thing to do, but an area bowhunter wanted to show me his new chrono duber. I loaded a lefty marked 54@28 Wing with a B50 endless, a lefty 51@26 Robertson Purist with a fast flight, and my 55@26 'sunset' with a B50 flemish. I shot the same arrow marked at 26&1/4 bop out of all three. Since I do not know how the thing was calibrated the number does not matter, but i shot all three bows twice and my arrow speeds from max to minimum were only 3fps apart with no speed winner. Either my shooting is very consistent and those three bows shoot the same speed or that chrono is stuck.
When shooting through my chrono, my shots tend to be within 4fps of each other almost always. At least from the same bow, I mean. Always surprised me at how consistent in speed a bow can be. And I'm certainly no olympic grade archer!
Post by: Wannabe1 on August 04, 2018, 08:41:54 PM
Post by: Hoosierarcher88 on August 04, 2018, 08:53:48 PM
I don't know how many of you recall the beautiful HH longbows I once had but, when I got diagnosed with my illness, the last one to sell left an empty feeling in me. It seems lately, I am getting bit by the bug again and want to find me one 68'-70", 40#-43#@28". Should have went this route to begin with instead of all the other bows I've been buying and trying! :banghead:have maddog build you a follower extreme. Ive talked with mike a lot about that bow. Its very similar to the hill bows but with his own personal twist.
Post by: Wannabe1 on August 04, 2018, 09:04:02 PM
Ok folks, that's not a slam or diss on any other makers of Hill style bows! It's just my choice. :bigsmyl:
Post by: Hoosierarcher88 on August 04, 2018, 09:39:35 PM
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Post by: limbshaker on August 04, 2018, 10:06:41 PM
Not a problem there man. Sometimes you gotta have the real deal. I will say after shooting this northern mist shelton i dont forsee myself going back to recurve or r/d. I just enjoy shooting the hill style better.
I knew you'd be ruined! :biglaugh:
Post by: Hoosierarcher88 on August 04, 2018, 10:27:51 PM
thats an understatement manNot a problem there man. Sometimes you gotta have the real deal. I will say after shooting this northern mist shelton i dont forsee myself going back to recurve or r/d. I just enjoy shooting the hill style better.
I knew you'd be ruined! :biglaugh:
Post by: Wannabe1 on August 05, 2018, 04:14:07 PM
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Post by: Wannabe1 on August 05, 2018, 05:26:27 PM
Nice find! How does the takedown handle compare to a straight grip on a one piece? I have two Hills and I’m thinking about getting a 2-piece for travel.Evan, of all the Hills I've owned this will be my first in a T/D model. I haven't received said bow yet, those pics are from the seller. I will however, post up a shooting report as soon as she gets here and let you know my thoughts on the handle. I do like the fact that I can take it apart for travel. Hint: There may be a trip in my future out east in 2019! :pray:
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Post by: Wannabe1 on August 05, 2018, 08:47:33 PM
Tw thats a good looking takedown. The takedown feature i would think would be great. Is that black glass back red glass belly i seeYes sir, it sure is! I really like the combo too! Look forward to roaming the woods with this one.
Post by: Deno on August 05, 2018, 11:36:41 PM
Deno
Post by: Wannabe1 on August 05, 2018, 11:56:57 PM
Good Luck with that beauty TW I like the custom leaping deer. :thumbsup:[/quote]Thanks Deno! I like that leaping deer also. This bow will make a great companion to the all Hill setup I'm working on. Have the quiver, bracer coming and will be ordering a Hill shooting glove tomorrow. I will then work on some wood shafts tipped with Howard Hill broadheads. :thumbsup:
Deno
Post by: Hoosierarcher88 on August 08, 2018, 08:44:03 AM
Post by: two4hooking on August 08, 2018, 08:50:22 AM
C'mon...you know you want one!
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Post by: Wannabe1 on August 08, 2018, 04:20:44 PM
Which one is that twIt's one a kind gentleman decided he could part with, but I suspect with some reservations :bigsmyl:, and it will be here as soon as my payment arrives in the mail to him. I'll give full specs once it is here. :thumbsup: Oh yeah, it is a HH. :thumbsup:
Post by: pavan on August 08, 2018, 04:39:04 PM
Post by: limbshaker on August 08, 2018, 08:24:08 PM
Wow, after 3 days im finally finished reading through this entire thread. Lots of very useful info and many great looking bows. From what i see i am a bit of an oddball as most shoot split finger with a glove while i shoot 3 under with a tab and middle finger anchor. Ive tried the split with glove and just could never get use to it. 3 under with a tab just feels natural to me and i can gap or shoot split vision with ease. To each their own as with most things i guess.
I shot the same way as you for several years. Always felt natural, and split always felt weird and hurt my top finger. But one day during a frustratingly pitiful shooting session, I decided to just have some fun and goof off. I picked up my longbow, grabbed it tight, grabbed the string split fingered, raised the bow and ripped a few arrows without even aiming.
To my surprise they went a lot closer to where I was aiming than I would have expected. And this was at 20 yards. After a weeks worth of practice, I was shooting better than I ever had, and having more fun. Been shooting this way for quite a while now.
It's always best to shoot whats comfortable for you, even if it seems odd or unconventional.
But sometimes, and especially during a slump, it's great to just throw it all out the window and try something new. Even if for no other reason to remind you of why you do this in the first place.....to have fun. The only way you are ever doing it wrong, is if you aren't enjoying yourself!
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Post by: limbshaker on August 08, 2018, 09:31:41 PM
Id say what im doing is working for me lol. Just woke up a little bit ago and decided to step onto the back porch and fire off a couple shots. This is shot #1 and shot #2 at about 18 yards. Ive been trying the single shot practice method to help prepare for hunting season. Once every few hours that im awake and its actually daylight out i step out to a random place in the back yard and fire a single shot. Sometimes ill stand, sometimes i kneel and every now and then ill throw in a seated shot just to get use to making 1 shot count for when deer season comes in.
Id say you got it down pat! Don't change a thing that works for you. I was just sharing a funny story on how things came around for me. Not trying to convert anybody to anything :thumbsup:
I have noticed that the ASLs seem to be more forgiving for me to shoot in funky positions than recurves or other longbows. I like em for that for sure.
You're ready for deer season I'd say! I'll be looking for a kill pic :campfire:
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Post by: Deno on August 11, 2018, 10:15:37 PM
I was going to ask if the hill style quivers flattened out. From the pictures id seen they looked like they did instead of hold the round shape. So if my thinking is right then something more flexible like bickskin should make a good quiver
Buckskin may be too flexible. 5-6z veg tanned leather will better. After I make mine, I soak it in hot water and fold it over the back of a chair. As long as the shape is oval and not round, It will hold the shape.
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I like 5.5 inch high back parabolics. Longbow throws a heavy arrow well....not worried about loss of performance. I want an arrow to straighten out NOW!
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and that is exactly the reason they have a following...if you change the design, you change the nostalgia and they won't be a Hill bow.
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I'm going to call up Mr Berry in the next day or so and order a bow. I've read all the benefits of the forward handle bows, Mr Berry even said as much when I spoke with him. But they just look darn weird to me, I'm having a hard time getting over it.
Also how big of a difference is there really between his backset and stringfollow bows?
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Danbow I've never been a fan of plain bamboo Lam's but dang! That bow is lovely.
Post by: Orion on December 13, 2018, 03:52:55 PM
Though I don't shoot with a fixed crawl (I'm usually a split-finger, split vision shooter), I have played around a bit with 3-under and the fixed crawl. I've found that bows that have the arrow shelf cut 2 inches above center, meaning equal length limbs, as opposed to those with the arrow shelf cut closer to 1 1/4-inch above center, meaning the top limb is longer than the bottom limb, seem to be more comfortable and quieter with a fixed crawl, but either can be shot that way.
BTW, I've been measuring the arrow shelf distance above the center of the bow on all the bows that have come through my hands for the past 30 years or so. What I've found is that some bowyers tend to build with the arrow shelf about 1 1/4-inch above the center of the bow, others build the shelf 2 inches above the center of the bow. Some do both. For example, two of the J.D Berry Hill style Vixens I have and an R/D Taipan are cut 2 inches above the center of the bow, while another Vixen and my forward handle Valor are cut 1 1/4-inch above the center of the bow.
Of course, tiller also varies with where the arrow shelf is cut and the resultant comparative length of the upper and lower limbs. Those with a longer upper limb usually have positive tiller, while those with equal length limbs usually have an even tiller. Perhaps that's why 3-under/fixed crawl works better for me on bows built that way. Too, a fixed crawl would place the drawing hand closer to the center of the bow (bending the limbs more equally) on a bow with the arrow shelf cut 2 inches above center
Re back set versus string follow bows, all other things being equal, the backset bow will generally be a bit faster, about 5 fps or so, which translates into 2-3# of draw weight. String follow bows, because there is less early load vis-a-vis a backset bow, also build draw weight just a tad faster than backset bows.
Some have argued that the softer feel at the beginning of the draw of a string follow bow makes the bow a little easier to draw when the shooter is most out of alignment at the beginning of the draw. By the time the bow starts to build weight at a slightly faster rate (vis-a-vis) a back set bow, the shooter's alignment is more in line and better able to handle the slightly increased stack, so much so that it's basically unnoticeable. Isn't very much to begin with. Too, the string follow bow has less hand shock at the conclusion of the release.
Post by: two4hooking on December 13, 2018, 04:11:38 PM
This is what I prefer best...such a joy to shoot a well behaved SF. My backsets feel a bit "harsh" in comparison at the shot.
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Post by: NotDylan on December 13, 2018, 06:11:48 PM
I am new to archery in general. I picked up a used Bear Montana a few years ago with the desire to learn to shoot instinctively and after a few months of trying to teach myself via youtube university I gave it up after getting very inconsistent results. I shot 3 under and have never really given split finger much of a chance.
Recently I got the itch again to pick up the bow. I discovered a very helpful video on youtube called "The Push" that really broke down how gap shooting and stringwalking works. It also introduced me to the fixed crawl method. With my new found knowledge (about 2 weeks ago) I went outside and gave gap shooting a try and I was immediately more consistent. Now my groups still aren't great so I've got some form issues to work out and I will be searching for some help locally for that. I do have an ILF bow that I can adjust for each style but I have not set it up for fixed crawl yet.
That being said, ASL's are what I want to shoot. The simplicity, nostalgia, and the romance of traditional archery draws me in. I want a big D bow, cedar arrows, and a leather quiver on my back. My ILF recurve does not scratch that itch, though it does get me outside shooting and enjoying archery.
I'm still wet enough behind the ears in the world of archery that I am not married to a certain style and am willing to try anything. Thanks for the tips guys!
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In the meantime, I'll set my ILF bow up for split and get to work on the Hill style of shooting. Any reason that type of bow wouldn't work for practice?
I also see some mention of this thread of shooting the Hill style with a shorter draw than what you may normally have. Can someone explain that?
Post by: pavan on December 18, 2018, 02:23:06 AM
Oh yes, when learning form, work on one aspect at a time until it becomes automatic.
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Not meaning to argue, I just think the Toelke's should get credit for their bow.
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Longbowman, it seems that you have come into the "glorious sun light of brotherhood and co-operation" (to borrow a line from the FFA) now that you have joined the ranks of the Hill shooters. It can easily become an addiction for which there is no need for a cure. It hit me in 2003 when I got my first Hill bow. I hope you will always like your handsome bow.
dark souls reference?
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Thanks, John
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Reminded me that I haven't read John's book for a while - so to start that - just filled up a pipe, the heater is rolling, and off to Straight Shooting!
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Also, congrats to Two4Hooking on a great article in TBM:
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It took some getting used to but man I am enjoying my forward handle Hill. It almost feels like cheating.
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Also picked up a Sunset Hill back quiver, what a lovely piece. Nate does a great job with these, it fits great and arrows are easy in, easy out.
All that is left is learning to build some woodies but that may be down the road a ways. I really appreciate the extra durability of carbons and take advantage of it often. I am currently using 500 spine 475gr Beman Centershots that I had made for my R/D longbow. My draw length has shortened a bit since moving to a swing draw so they are a bit long but still fly pretty straight.
This entire Hill style transition is the most fun I have had yet in Archery.
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I've always been under the impression that you were supposed to order you arrows long and then cut them to tune your spine. Is that not really necessary?
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Thanks EVGB and Ray. I sent her out for a tune up. Now the wait begins again.
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Not much :goldtooth:
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Jet longbows are very underrated. I hope Joel starts making them again soon.
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Post by: NotDylan on February 24, 2019, 06:54:21 PM
Any of you Hill style fellas going to be at the TN classic this year? I'd love to meet some like minded archers and learn all I can.
First shots after 2 weeks off at roughly 20 yards. JD Berry Vixen
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Or more likely, in bow socks like this:
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I heard somewhere that they shouldn’t be stored leaning upright but also that if hung, they should be supported closer to the riser than the mid-limb.
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two more inches of snow last night in northern Michigan really putting a damper on shooting opportunities!
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Dreaming of this kind of weather!!😉
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And you have two now, right? What are the specs/details on your other one, El Cazador?
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I enjoy making wood arrows and have done so since the early 70’s, but Paul Jalon of Elite Arrows (sponsors Tradgang) makes as fine of an arrow as I’ve ever used. These spin like aluminum and the tolerances are better than I can shoot. Hill style bows and Autumn Legends-they’re an incredible combination.
Here’s a nice doe taken with my Northern Mist Shelton and my previous batch. This dozen came in within 1# and 10 grains of the last dozen from a couple of years ago.
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The weather has really been lovely lately and I have been practicing nearly everyday. Little by little, (and I mean little) I am getting more consistent.
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Post by: Overspined on March 28, 2019, 10:57:38 PM
I need to get some woodies ordered soon, just not entirely sure what to get. I'll be bugging you about that soon Pavan ;)
The weather has really been lovely lately and I have been practicing nearly everyday. Little by little, (and I mean little) I am getting more consistent.
Buy a couple close aluminum sizes and tune, then convert to wood spines. I was taught this and have done it for years.
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Here are two videos of me shooting today, feel free to critique them in every way possible, I need it! Does it look like I am leaving some draw length on the table? Does anything else standout to you? My swing draw definitely needs some work.
For what it's worth, the 4 arrows in the first video were very inconsistent, the 4 in the second video were pretty good by my standards, a 4-5 inch group at 15 yards. Any idea why?
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Looking around, I do not see any of the old two hole tabs available anywhere. I don't like the single finger loop tabs.
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Post by: evgb127 on June 25, 2019, 12:42:58 PM
This weekend I plan on putting a few of my ASL’s to the test at Sawmill. The one I shoot best will be my choice for this hunting season. The rest will have to stay on the rack until there is meat in the freezer. Pressures on.
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I also just traded a bow that was collecting dust for a Jet Warthog. Its slight string-follow makes the bow a pleasure to shoot and its koa riser isn’t hard on the eyes either.
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Do you all think there are many TRAD guys and gals out there that shoot Hill styled bow in low poundage? I'm talking like 40-43 pounds. I ask because when you think of Hill bows, LIGHTWEIGHT isn't something that springs to mind. I have a Bear Montana in 43 and a Dave Johnson in 45. I'm curious to know how many others like me are out there enjoying their bows.
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I was tuning my elk bow yesterday and I really don’t think anything shoots better than a good ASL. Other styles shoot different but not better IMO. It’s all about the arrow, and man, I just can’t beat a straight grip. I’m going to make a R/D with a straight grip because it’s definitely my favorite grip and I want to see how it goes..I just can’t seem to grasp a contoured grip consistently where I can be content.
I have a set of skins I think I’ll do a 68” ASL snake again but T/D...love that look
Post by: Hoosierarcher88 on June 30, 2019, 10:46:45 AM
My family shoots ASL from a deadly little custom kids bow, a 14 yr old daughter’s, my wife’s at 32#, up to 50#. I wouldn’t want to get in front of any of them.I love the straight grip as well. 7 lakes can build a mild r/d with the same grip which is what im going to go with for a brushy area bow.
I was tuning my elk bow yesterday and I really don’t think anything shoots better than a good ASL. Other styles shoot different but not better IMO. It’s all about the arrow, and man, I just can’t beat a straight grip. I’m going to make a R/D with a straight grip because it’s definitely my favorite grip and I want to see how it goes..I just can’t seem to grasp a contoured grip consistently where I can be content.
I have a set of skins I think I’ll do a 68” ASL snake again but T/D...love that look
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My family shoots ASL from a deadly little custom kids bow, a 14 yr old daughter’s, my wife’s at 32#, up to 50#. I wouldn’t want to get in front of any of them.
I was tuning my elk bow yesterday and I really don’t think anything shoots better than a good ASL. Other styles shoot different but not better IMO. It’s all about the arrow, and man, I just can’t beat a straight grip. I’m going to make a R/D with a straight grip because it’s definitely my favorite grip and I want to see how it goes..I just can’t seem to grasp a contoured grip consistently where I can be content.
I have a set of skins I think I’ll do a 68” ASL snake again but T/D...love that look
.......so says the guy that shoots pink fletchings and hunts in a loincloth.
homebru
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Proudly :biglaugh:My family shoots ASL from a deadly little custom kids bow, a 14 yr old daughter’s, my wife’s at 32#, up to 50#. I wouldn’t want to get in front of any of them.
I was tuning my elk bow yesterday and I really don’t think anything shoots better than a good ASL. Other styles shoot different but not better IMO. It’s all about the arrow, and man, I just can’t beat a straight grip. I’m going to make a R/D with a straight grip because it’s definitely my favorite grip and I want to see how it goes..I just can’t seem to grasp a contoured grip consistently where I can be content.
I have a set of skins I think I’ll do a 68” ASL snake again but T/D...love that look
.......so says the guy that shoots pink fletchings and hunts in a loincloth.
homebru
Post by: sam barrett on July 09, 2019, 10:39:50 PM
Post by: Hoosierarcher88 on July 09, 2019, 10:51:35 PM
Hey everyone, just wanted to report on the new 7 Lakes ASL that I just got yesterday. Pictures are posted above. I can't believe how good this bow is. The craftsmanship is amazing, much better than I even expected, but man does this thing shoot. I have owned 3 of the big name ASL's and shot just about every other brand there is...excluding a J.D. Berry and this 7 Lakes by far outperforms them....and that's not to say anything bad about the other bows, they were all great bows in their own right. When I shot the first arrow I couldn't believe how fast the arrow flew to the target and penetration was significantly deeper than my other ASL's, despite them being a few pounds heavier. I would have sworn I was shooting a heavy R/D hybrid longbow. Again, I'm not taking anything away from other bows as for the most part they are all great, but this 7 Lakes really impressed me. I would suggest anyone looking check them out. This is my first 7 Lakes, but won't be my last!sam is yours the string follow or the standard version? Also could you do me a huge favor and get the grip measurements off it? I keep on bouncing between a 7 lakes, mcbroom or a funky combo from howard hill that ive pondered up but cant make up my mind
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it has been a very juicy year up here in the corn barrens, the mosquitoes are horrible, if you are shooting at a slow tempo say 6 bites per arrow, you need to speed things up to perhaps a 1 bite per shot tempo. That will give you more time between shots to wave your bow around chasing mosquitoes. An ASL makes a more superior mosquito waving tool than any other bow design.
:biglaugh: :laughing:
I was doing the same thing yesterday evening here in North Alabama. A wide limbed recurve loses a little oomph while swatting due to aerodynamic drag and what not. Our mosquitoes are huge, need all the punch you can pack to take one down!
Post by: evgb127 on July 19, 2019, 09:32:01 AM
Also, does anyone know the history of the two-piece bow? I don’t think Howard Hill ever used one but I think Bob Swinehart did.
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I wonder, with the right riser material re-enforcement if the bow bolt, like Robertson uses, could be used on an ASL.
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Go to page 1 of this thread. The first entry from Rob has a link to part one.
Enjoy!
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Post by: jsweka on August 04, 2019, 08:05:31 PM
Here's the results - 11 yards off the ground with a reverse handle ASL of my own making. Not my biggest buck by any means, but the one I'm most proud of.
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Post by: evgb127 on August 04, 2019, 08:37:21 PM
Also, I really like the look of a Sweka designed bow. Never shot one but I’d like to. Please let me know if you’re ever in the Hershey area and want to fling some arrows.
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Also, I really like the look of a Sweka designed bow. Never shot one but I’d like to. Please let me know if you’re ever in the Hershey area and want to fling some arrows.
Evan - Thanks for the compliment! If you make it up to the Shade Mountain shoot in September, you can play with one all you want.
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Back to the subject, When bows don't stay on line with a shot, i always wonder why. All of my bows are steady that way, When I rework a bow, that is my primary goal. I won't say what model bow this fellow bought, he bought it used, but I could not get it to remain on target at release either and I believe that is where his problems are starting from. Every bow that i have given out are ones that i have adjusted, but I have a sprained finger in my right hand and am afraid to offer the same for his otherwise good looking bow. I wonder how many longbows are out there that are off time. For those that have shot bows that have perfect limb timing like my Berry Morningstar, will recognize that something special. Needing to set up a longbow with nocking point and brace way out of normal is not a fix.
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As far as specs, it is 66” long and pulls in the low 50’s at my 27” draw. Even though it is an older bow, the finish is amazing and boy is it a shooter. Nate really knows what he is doing. I now understand what all the hype is about.
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Post by: Overspined on October 30, 2019, 12:23:36 PM
Before I started building I shot NM a lot. I’ve had or have all of those models. String follow bows are just not my thing. They feel soft on the release, but they are quieter than the already quiet. I like backset, and a well tuned bow won’t be noticeably louder. I missed a 5x5 elk 2 times this year With a backset Hill style and if I could shoot 50 yds I still had 10 min more to shoot again. He barely knew anything happened.
Longbows are quiet, is go with feel. Shoot a few and make a choice.
Here’s the last buck I shot with one of Steve’s bows.. :goldtooth:
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Nice buck btw! :notworthy:
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What's with those huge fuzzy caterpillars on your string? :biglaugh:
Nice buck btw! :notworthy:
I cut a muskrat in 1/2 and put 1/2 up top and 1/2 on bottom! :biglaugh:
That’s funny because I don’t use any at all anymore lol.
That’s Steve’s 68” classic. Good bow. I still have it I killed a lot of deer with it. Those silencers are truly muskrat. I used to buy a hide once every couple years and I use a razor blade to cut it into strips. You can get a good pile of them for like 10$ for a tanned muskrat hide. It’s smaller than beaver and thin skin, now I’d probably use Mink. But it’s all the same idea. Pretty water repellent just flick the string a couple times but they will pick up burs.
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Uh tomorrow’s the day , my new to me northern mist whisper will be arriving ,with all the bells and whistles , 62” and 51#@26” can’t wait, love the anticipation of a bow arriving.You’re leaving us hanging. Let’s see some pictures. How do you like it?
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Such is the case with my Wesley special 68 in 60 lb longbow. It remained on the top pegs of my bow rack for many years getting sparse use. I'm not sure why I asked Craig ekin to build a bow with black fiberglass on the back and the belly but I did. I much prefer the warm veneers of yew and Myrtle etc. I suppose, as fickle as it is, that might be the reason it received so little use.
3 weeks ago I pulled it down and strung it up. I happened to grab a cedar arrow which was just the right length spine and point weight to be perfectly tuned to the bow. I could not believe how phenomenal the bow performed and how smooth it was all the way back to my anchor. At 72 years of age, I am not getting stronger. I can only conclude it's always been this great and I just didn't remember.
It's been with me every time I've hunted for the last 3 weeks. What a find.
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Shot this doe last weekend at London Oaks Ranch.
Amazing place and great people running it.
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On Friday, I sighted in my rifle, but for some reason I wasn’t feeling very motivated to hunt. All I could think about was how bad my boys (ages 3 and 5) were acting at Thanksgiving, how it would be a burden on my wife to have her watch the kids in front of my (judgmental) parents while I was out hunting, how I should be spending the time with my aging grandparents, and how it would be difficult to transport meat on the five-hour drive home if I actually shot a deer. So, it didn’t take long for me to decide to not to go hunting....
Fortunately, my wife was able to see how stressed the holiday (and holiday travel) had made me. She convinced me that I needed some outdoor time and suggested that if I really didn’t want to hunt, then maybe I should just sit in the woods for a while with my bow. After all, I was just complaining to her about how I haven’t had enough time to shoot my bow recently and I had taken up precious cargo space in our car transporting the bow on our trip.
So, I snuck into the woods just before dawn, with bow in hand and hopes of maybe finding a stump or two to poke. I had no intention of actually shooting a deer. Well, as I sat there, I felt the stress peel away. It felt so good to actually feel the chill in the air and hear the subtle nature sounds in the woods (opposed to my sons’ temper tantrums). The next thing I knew, four hours had flown by.
I told my wife I would head home for lunch but then suddenly I heard the all-too-familiar sound of what I thought was a squirrel running around. To my surprise, what I actually heard were four does and two spike bucks walking 25 yards behind me. I looked at my watch and it was only 10:45, so I decided to sit a little bit longer, watching the deer slowly walk away. I’m glad I did because a minute later, an eight-point buck silently followed in pursuit. In fact, he was even closer to me than the other deer. He slowly crept along without making a sound until he was only 10 yards away, facing perfectly broadside. Without even thinking, I drew, released, and stood in shock as I watched my arrow make a perfect heart shot with a complete pass-through. The buck took a few steps, wobbled, and dropped within 15 feet from where I shot. I don’t think he knew what hit him.
I just sat there like an idiot for what must have been 10 minutes... first looking at my bow, then looking at the downed deer, then back at my bow. I couldn’t believe what I had just done. I shot the prettiest buck of my career, with a bow, on opening day of rifle season. I let out a chuckle because I was not going to go hunting... it’s funny how things play out sometimes.
Anyway, here is the obligatory equipment list: Sunset Hill longbow 53@27, Gold Tip Traditional Classic XT 500 arrows, 175 grain broadheads. I was hunting from the ground using a Primos SurroundView, Stake Out Ground Blind.
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Post by: UrsusNil on December 07, 2019, 10:30:42 AM
So what makes a longbow a HH style bow? I have a Mahaska longbow, mild R/D, with a locator grip. Is that considered a Hill style?
Post by: Horsehide on December 07, 2019, 10:35:47 AM
I was thinking about a dark Bubinga riser and maybe some Light amber colored limb veneers over bamboo cores. Any other thoughts on lighter veneers that aren’t too “busy”?Yew or cherry limbs tend to look great with darker risers (cocobolo, ebony, ...).
I really like osage, but it take some time in the sun to mellow out a bit.
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Post by: UrsusNil on December 08, 2019, 09:59:45 AM
No Ursus Nil , it is not a Hill Style bow. A Hill Style bow has no R&D. Limbs are either straight, backset or string follow. Most forgiving style longbow out there. IMHO. They are super quiet and are designed to cast heavy hunting arrows
I was hoping you'd say that! Can't have a vacancy in my bow line up, so.....
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I can’t decide between a 68” Northern Mist Classic (Backset) OR a 66” Shelton (String Follow)? My Dad’s name is “Shelton”. I want the most forgiving & accurate Hill Style hunting bow that will be utilized in ground blinds and tree stands. Please advise or give me your opinions and thoughts
Trad since you want a NM why don’t you give Steve a call and ask him? You’ll probably spend 45 minutes on the phone just talking. He will certainly point you in the right direction.
His most “forgiving” is the Ramer. Like a whisper but SF with a reverse handle. Accuracy is all on you my friend.
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Anybody got any recommendations on limb profile or materials and such?
Anybody got one lately you could share a pic of? :goldtooth:
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Post by: Yooper-traveler on December 17, 2019, 04:29:07 PM
I talked with him on the phone for about 1/2 hour and he really knows his stuff!
What did you go with then?
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Post by: Overspined on December 22, 2019, 05:51:59 PM
How do you like the straight grip over a slightly dished option?
Straight grips for me too. Dished caused my hand to collapse funny into the dish, straight is super easy to grip and rip, there isn’t any fussing with hand positioning and isn’t as prone to torque if you don’t squeeze it as other grips. I also like a thinned belly of the grip, to teardrop shape. Not knife like but not really rounded.
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I just finished building this bow for myself and I think I reached the pinnacle of bowyer hobby with this one. I've been wanting a white glass bellied ASL for some time now just because I think it looks really classy. And I'm very pleased how this one turned out.
68", 57#@28", curly ash riser, brown back, white belly, and actionboo cores.
Hopefully I can kill a bear with it in June at Bear Quest.
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Post by: WESTBROOK on January 19, 2020, 03:56:24 PM
Hey gang, tell me what your all time favorite ASL bow is and include the bow specs and wood choices too. Thanks ! Tradcat
I have 6 NM bows, 3 classic, 2 sheltons and a superior. they all have high points, no real favorite. Grips have slight dish, 1 straight, 2 locator....dont matter much..they all shoot great!
But if I have to choose....70" Classic 58 @ 29" Elm limbs w/green glass. Dished grip 2 1/4" deep
Steves Elm limbs are awesome!
Post by: Tradcat on January 19, 2020, 05:01:26 PM
Post by: evgb127 on January 19, 2020, 05:08:40 PM
How deep is your grip ?Approximately 2” deep.
Had some fun with it tonight on the chip shot range.
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Post by: WESTBROOK on January 19, 2020, 06:58:30 PM
Wow!! That’s quite a collection Westbrook! Is the dished grip slightly “flattened” on the palm side?
nope, slender in the back but rounded & not sharp...my hand wont tolerate those sharp wedge grips either.
used to have a bunch of pics till photobucket went off the deep end!
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Dang Evan, You have the fever! What are the specs on the new one?This one was built in 2014 and refinished in 2017. It’s 66” long and pulls 54@27. The grip fits me perfectly. After this one, I think I’m finished buying.
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Dang Evan, You have the fever! What are the specs on the new one?This one was built in 2014 and refinished in 2017. It’s 66” long and pulls 54@27. The grip fits me perfectly. After this one, I think I’m finished buying.
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Yeah, finished buying. I’ve told myself that lie many times lol
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Post by: evgb127 on January 26, 2020, 07:16:19 PM
Is this a string follow profile? Is there a tiny bit of dish in the grip?Hey Tradcat. It is a string follow bow. The grip also has a dish to it.
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I prefer a string follow because it is easier to string up , has a smoother draw and seems to be more quiet to shoot. Horserod
X2. I’m a big fan of how smooth a string follow bow shoots. That said, there are some great bowyers out there who can make a back set bow that shoots great. For example a Northern Mist American. I guess it goes back to the old adage that you get what you pay for.
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Post by: limbshaker on January 30, 2020, 09:56:12 PM
Still torn between a Northern Mist Classic or a Shelton ??? Tough decision
I would get the Classic without a doubt. I've had both of those, and my Classic is my favorite. The Shelton is forgiving and super quiet, but the Classic is just as well but has better speed. If it were me it would be an easy decision. But you'll be happy with either.
Post by: ScouterMike on January 31, 2020, 07:05:50 AM
I have NM Whisper, Shelton, Classic and Ramers and the difference in speed is negligible all else being equal. Your shot to shot variance is probably greater. I can shoot a 60 lb Ramer or Shelton easier and longer than a 55 lb recurve or hybrid for example and the performance is about the same especially with heavy arrows.
Post by: Yooper-traveler on January 31, 2020, 09:10:01 AM
With the Shelton and the Ramer, I can feel the difference in draw feel between than say the Classic, but that's just me and my preference. Performance-wise, they are all good.
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Post by: Yooper-traveler on January 31, 2020, 06:23:48 PM
If you were going to order a dark Bubinga riser and either bamboo or tempered bamboo cores, what color limb glass and leather grip would you pick?
Steve recommended flame birch with my bubinga riser. He threw a darker leather grip on. I’ll grab you a pic tomorrow so you can see it.
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Yum. Back straps for dinner, eh Yooper? :biglaugh:
I’m headin her back in today to get his little friend. Maybe I can get an appetizer out of it ;^)
Post by: Deno on February 23, 2020, 10:52:59 AM
I was wondering if anybody out there has a picture of the HHA "Antelope Special Edition" bow? I've done some searches and haven't been able to track a picture of one down yet. I don't remember what year those were offered but man I haven't been able to stop thinking about them lately. Thanks for the help!
Craig still offers the Special Edition Antelope. Give him a call.
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Post by: Deno on February 23, 2020, 10:56:09 AM
Yum. Back straps for dinner, eh Yooper? :biglaugh:
I’m headin her back in today to get his little friend. Maybe I can get an appetizer out of it ;^)
Tunnel Rats!!!!!Go get 'em.
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Post by: Deno on February 23, 2020, 11:04:56 AM
We all know Hill bows are great, but the unsung hero is a good Hill-style glove. If you want to improve your ASL shooting, buy Stephen Graf’s book and see what he (and Nate Steen) has to say about it.
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Great book by Steve. No doubt the HH glove is a plus. I tried many different gloves over the years. The Hill gloves are by far the best for me.
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Sure was a beautiful day up here for a snowshoe! I was out doing the same thing!
Not too many days like this up here, and we got two in a row.
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Sure was a beautiful day up here for a snowshoe! I was out doing the same thing!
Not too many days like this up here, and we got two in a row.
Absolutely! Got to go ice fishing in a T-shirt yesterday. Doesn't happen very often!
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Hey Yooper. Love the simplicity of your arrows. Had to laugh because your arrows and bow look identical to mine except my bow is a N.M. Shelton. Douglas fir remains my go to shaft material.
Vesty I agree. They look clean. I have a few of Steve’s bows but not a Shelton. Those are tapered DF. Definitely more durable for me than POC.
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The most beautiful Echo I've seen from him. bamboo core, figured and burl cherry veneers, g10 Ibeam with old walnut riser. perfect length for my draw.
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Post by: evgb127 on April 05, 2020, 07:44:19 PM
I have started another Journey now, (Selfbows). I still grab one of my Hills and fling a few now and then. My Sunset Hill is an absolute tack driver right off the rack :goldtooth:.
Can’t wait to see what you’re cooking up! Send me some pictures sometime.
Post by: evgb127 on April 05, 2020, 07:46:40 PM
Benoit classic D Longbow , Eastern red Cedar limbs
Awesome work Ryan. Can’t wait to see what you do with that riser block I sent you. :shaka:
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Post by: evgb127 on April 07, 2020, 08:27:47 PM
Hey evgb127, what wood combos in the riser and limbs did you pair up with the green glass on your Shelton? Also, what are the bow specs? Thank you
Bacote riser, bamboo lams. 68” long. 52@28.
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Post by: evgb127 on April 07, 2020, 09:24:29 PM
Very nice! Did you consider a 66” length? What is your DL ?
I have a 27” draw length. My primary hunting bow is a 66” string follow. I have a few 68” bows that I like to take out every now and then.
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Thanks. Now I need a Northern Mist also. ;)
Sounds like you got bit pretty hard. Welcome to the club. Beautiful bow.
Post by: Tim Reese on April 09, 2020, 04:17:24 PM
I’m sure most in this thread understand that feeling. Loved my recurves but just enjoy these a lot more. The Hill heads I got on a trade so I just need a good back quiver now. In talks with Craig from Howard hill archery now on one.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 10, 2020, 06:35:31 PM
Do you prefer colored glass over the clear and why ? Thanks
the color of glass is pure personally subjective aesthetics, no more or less.
historically, there has/had been build issues using clear glass and that led a lotta folks to going with black or other colors. my hill big5 has clear glass over 'boo, is more than 2 years old, and is doing just fine. i think the dayze of bad clear glass are long over. if i were to order out a new hill it'd still be with clear glass because i like the look of 'boo grass grain showing, though i've had several with black glass over 'boo with dark stained edges, and very dark cococolo risers. it's just subjective aesthetics.
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Post by: fmscan on April 11, 2020, 11:53:36 AM
Yesterday I ordered a Northern Mist Ramer, at 73 yrs old probably my last bow, we've all said that I know! I ordered a 41-43#, 66 inch, w Flame Birch veneers and walnut riser, bamboo core with antler tips. Soooo hard to pick veneer woods cuz I love them all including solid brown and green. Ive never been a good shot so I went for the most forgiving bow, string follow and forward handle.
I spent a lot of $ on a high end wonderful recurve a few yrs ago but I love carrying a longbow and they cast an arrow differently. This thread has been VERY helpful in my decision to get this bow. Thank you all.
Steve was a pleasure to talk to and this will be a long 6 months.
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Post by: woodchucker on April 12, 2020, 08:42:51 PM
I grab that bow, sling my Howard Hill back quiver over my shoulder... MAN, I look COOL!!!!!
"Image" is everything :archer:
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Post by: MnFn on April 13, 2020, 03:19:02 PM
I have been having trouble with my bow shoulder and doubted I could go much higher. I had gotten a cortizone shot once a year or so for the last five years and it would be better for awhile and then the pain would return. So I went to see a physical therapist who gave me a regimen of exercises and I gradually strengthened the muscles around my shoulder to the point where I havnt needed another cortizone shot for two years now.
So regarding the potential moose hunt, my problem was my current number one bow is 49 lbs. Then I saw people writing about how smooth their Northern Mist Shelton shot. I called and talked to Steve Turay at Northern Mist and about it.
He said he had a 55 lb bow that would be a good candidate, a 68” Shelton. After talking to Steve a few times and weighing the pros and cons I decided to take it. I was concerned that I might be over bowing myself but decided I would try to work up to it, as I did not want to shoot the absolute minimum weight bow.
I received it a few days ago. What a pleasureable bow to draw and shoot. I think we will get along just fine!
Here it is.
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On an unrelated note, I got my turkey rig dialed in. Here are my last six shots from 20 yards out:
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 14, 2020, 08:23:41 PM
That’s a sweet looking bow. Your buddy better make up his mind pretty quickly.
On an unrelated note, I got my turkey rig dialed in. Here are my last six shots from 20 yards out:
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That’s a sweet looking bow. Your buddy better make up his mind pretty quickly.
We both passed on it, so it's still out there locally.
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Post by: Deno on April 23, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
I don't think it's silly at all. A great keepsake for your collection. I have a signed note from JS framed with his picture.
I hope you didn't scriibble your address out for the post. You could have covered it with white paper for the pic.
Deno
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I hope you didn't scriibble your address out for the post. You could have covered it with white paper for the pic.
The photo was altered digitally. No worries, the original is safe.
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That will be sweet Rob! I've been thinking about making myself a smaller quiver.
i've been finding smaller is a bit better for me, easier to maneuver, and there's still enuf arrows in the sack to down a small elephant if need be, but not enuf to take to the battle at agincourt. :o :laughing:
Post by: Deno on May 04, 2020, 02:10:47 AM
I made another new one. :thumbsup:
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Post by: Overspined on May 10, 2020, 10:17:04 PM
I just saw pictures of a beautiful forward-riser ASL. Maybe Overspined will stop by with a pic.
hombre
Ha man this is just my favorite longbow design, the forward handle/reverse handles are just hard to beat.
Post by: Overspined on May 10, 2020, 10:19:55 PM
Anyone who makes leather goods and quivers understands why they cost so much. They’re just a major time investment no matter how fast you can lace.
Post by: Homebru on May 12, 2020, 08:50:37 PM
I just saw pictures of a beautiful forward-riser ASL. Maybe Overspined will stop by with a pic.
hombre
Grrrrrr.....I have a serious distaste for computers that "spell check" for you and screw up your own friggin' handle.
Hey Overspined, I like that quiver you made me!
homebru
Post by: evgb127 on May 18, 2020, 07:10:35 PM
Also, that’s a beautiful bow you have there Overspined. I do love a good forward handle. They are a pleasure to shoot.
Speaking of shooting, I was lucky enough to sneak out tonight for some roving. It certainly cleared my troubled mind.
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I have a bow build coming up soon. I was thinking about a dark Bubinga riser with bamboo cores under clear glass. Is clear glass a bad choice?
Nope. But to be sure you may want to grab one with green or black glass. Or white. Or gray lol. Hell even a nice carmel.....
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Plus, I’m always ready for Christmas.
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Stayed away... ash elm walnut bamboo hickory are all smooth.
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Post by: Overspined on June 07, 2020, 08:30:42 AM
Is there any significant difference between bamboo, elm or tempered bamboo limb cores?
Bamboo seems to be a tad different, it just is. I like it. Elm is fine too. Elm is a funky wood to work with so I don’t use it very often.
Post by: Tim Reese on June 07, 2020, 08:46:36 AM
Post by: Overspined on June 07, 2020, 09:38:36 PM
The handle really makes it. I wish my cheetah had that handle instead the black one.
Changing leather is a pretty easy process
Post by: Tradcat on June 09, 2020, 11:06:06 AM
Post by: Yooper-traveler on June 09, 2020, 11:50:30 AM
Update on my Northern Mist bow build. I spoke with Steve and decided on a 68” Classic. It will be 47 lbs at 27”. I selected a dark Bubinga riser and tempered bamboo limb cores under pure Michigan green glass. I asked that the grip profile be slightly dished with the peak of the grip in my palm, be flattened a touch with slightly rounded edges. I have found that this grip profile is very repeatable and doesn’t move around a lot. I chose a dark brown top grain leather grip. I believe she will be beautiful. I usually name all my bows. Several that I’ve had were “hinds 57” and “maple mistress”. For the new bow, been tossing around the idea of “Boo-binga” or just “Inga”. Any thoughts on my bow wood combos or specs and or a good name for her ?
"Fred" is a great name for a bow, especially since its a girl. The bubinga and GG will look great!
Post by: Tradcat on June 09, 2020, 12:14:02 PM
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Post by: evgb127 on July 21, 2020, 08:28:00 PM
I’ll add a little love for the forward handle shooters:
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Post by: Tim Reese on July 23, 2020, 05:55:54 PM
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Post by: evgb127 on July 24, 2020, 08:44:41 PM
Howard Hill:
JD Berry:
Northern Mist:
Benoit:
Post by: ron w on July 24, 2020, 09:33:49 PM
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Post by: fmscan on August 04, 2020, 08:49:52 AM
I am blessed to have a Ramer coming in a few months, I go to the NM site every night just looking. You make a good point on the "ugly duckling to a beautiful swan". the longer I look at forward handle the better they look. Also if it helps with my accuracy then I will be very happy. Steve T. is certainly in demand and I hated to wait the 6 months but he's hot for a reason and went with that...
Post by: Rhstickbow on August 13, 2020, 11:18:02 AM
Post by: evgb127 on August 13, 2020, 11:26:18 AM
This is a great video on the whole process:
https://youtu.be/98fuYYD5LOM
Dick Wightman’s website also has a lot of great stuff. I always liked this article about gripping the bow:
http://www.dickwightman.com/howardhill/hillgrip/hillgrip.html
Post by: Rhstickbow on August 13, 2020, 02:34:55 PM
Post by: Orion on August 13, 2020, 03:31:08 PM
To keep from squeezing too hard and/or putting too much pressure toward the top of the grip, some folks recommend doing most of the "gripping/holding" with the bottom two fingers of your bow hand. Try it and see what you think.
I usually overspine my bows by 5-10#, particularly if I have a low stretch string on the bow. Depends a bit on the diameter of your shaft and point weight, but I think you'll be good with 55-60#
Welcome to the fold.
Post by: Rhstickbow on August 13, 2020, 03:57:01 PM
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Post by: MnFn on August 13, 2020, 07:58:26 PM
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Post by: evgb127 on August 13, 2020, 08:44:38 PM
Post by: MnFn on August 13, 2020, 11:38:48 PM
I have a new Northern Mist Shelton that has an interesting green back and belly that is a good shooter also.
Post by: MnFn on August 13, 2020, 11:45:57 PM
Post by: MnFn on August 14, 2020, 12:06:25 AM
Now, I do not care what someone else chooses to hunt with but I decided to put in a plug for traditional archery. I sent an email to the author suggesting there are thousands of us who have not given up our traditional gear.
Low and behold, the columnist contacted me and asked if he could interview me about traditional bows. So, we are talking tomorrow and he’s going to write an article on traditional bowhunting. He is a good guy I think who enjoys hunting and fishing so I hope it come across to the public well.
Post by: Tim Reese on August 19, 2020, 12:09:16 PM
Post by: Rhstickbow on August 19, 2020, 04:13:30 PM
Thanks.
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Post by: Tim Reese on October 30, 2020, 12:08:11 PM
Post by: akbowbender on October 30, 2020, 12:16:39 PM
Took my Misty Dawn out in August to once again try for my first bow killed moose. No luck.
Post by: MnFn on October 30, 2020, 07:17:00 PM
A guy I know who has signed on to go bear huntIng next spring with me, saw the article in the paper.
He called me and asked where he could find trad bow to use huntingPut on your mask instead of the compound he had been planning to use.
Long story short, I let him shoot three of my bows. And my new Northern Mist longbow went home with him.
Now I need to find a little lighter Hill bow. Recent medical stuff is forcing me to shoot a lighter bow, I am afraid. I have one in mind a friend has that is too short for him might be perfect for me.
Post by: limbshaker on October 31, 2020, 11:35:02 PM
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You can see the deer laying in the field in this pic. Short tracking job! Luckily she turned and ran right into the cut field, instead of turning back and running into the thickest stuff you can imagine :pray:
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Post by: Gordon Jabben on November 01, 2020, 07:50:01 AM
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Post by: woodchucker on November 05, 2020, 06:34:56 PM
What can you folks tell me about the Howard Hill "Mountain Man" I picked up a few years ago...??
Post by: evgb127 on November 05, 2020, 11:16:43 PM
Anyway, I’m sure someone more knowledgeable than me will chime in, but if you’re looking for information regarding a specific bow, it may be worth emailing Mr. Ekin to find out more. If you do, please let us know what you find out. :campfire:
Post by: evgb127 on November 09, 2020, 07:02:54 PM
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Post by: Ben Maher on November 17, 2020, 02:41:55 AM
Craig built me a new Redman TakeDown ....
70” 50# @29” ......
Give it a run this weekend , but a few warm up shots ... can you say smooth !
Post by: shick on November 17, 2020, 09:52:03 AM
Shick
Post by: evgb127 on December 19, 2020, 07:30:58 PM
Post by: toddster on December 19, 2020, 11:20:40 PM
Post by: MnFn on December 19, 2020, 11:50:24 PM
I guess it’s understandable with the volumes that must be clogging the system these days. But I do hate waiting!
Post by: Deno on December 20, 2020, 01:40:02 AM
Deno
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Post by: jeffg on December 26, 2020, 07:42:38 AM
Post by: limbshaker on December 26, 2020, 08:06:33 AM
How long have you been on Dave Millers list?
Quite a while. Little over a year
Post by: evgb127 on December 26, 2020, 08:26:43 AM
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Worth the wait I’m sure. Are you getting a glass of bamboo bow?
Post by: limbshaker on December 26, 2020, 08:31:40 AM
Quite a while. Little over a year
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I ordered an Old Tom. Id like to have a Split Bamboo, but I just can't roll the dice at $1000 for a natural bow that WILL break eventually.
I'm just hoping I get a bow at all at this point lol.
Post by: evgb127 on December 28, 2020, 07:15:38 PM
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Post by: evgb127 on December 29, 2020, 09:50:56 AM
Evgb where did you find the American Longbow from Steve? I tried searching the web but cannot find his site. Would love to have one.
Steve stopped building bows, but I think John’s other sons Tom and Dave are still making bows. Dave can be contacted through Instagram.
Post by: toddster on December 30, 2020, 08:07:23 PM
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Post by: evgb127 on December 31, 2020, 08:52:53 AM
Post by: David Phillips on December 31, 2020, 03:19:52 PM
Each individual has their own criteria for what they like in a bow. You have to decide what you prefer. The Big five I had was straight profile and was a good bow just not my preference. I think the Cheetah devotees mostly like the looks of the bow, which doesn’t add or take anything away from its performance.
Post by: toddster on December 31, 2020, 03:25:45 PM
Post by: darktater on December 31, 2020, 03:40:15 PM
Post by: David Phillips on December 31, 2020, 04:44:38 PM
I’m waiting on a Northern Mist myself I had originally wanted a Classic but I recently came across a used SF Shelton with yew limbs, about as fine an ASL that could be made. I’m now changing my order to the Shelton. The NM have a little more string follow to them than the Hills. I don’t think I’ve shot a smoother drawing bow than the Shelton if it was 10 pound heavier I’d be done buying bows. I got a few more months to wait on my NM probably March.
Post by: Hoosierarcher88 on January 03, 2021, 01:02:05 AM
Post by: Sam McMichael on January 03, 2021, 01:05:11 PM
Post by: MnFn on January 04, 2021, 04:54:01 PM
All I can say is what a wealth of information that topic provides.
Many things I have never even thought of.
Thanks to all who have participated in that discussion. I am up to about page 212!
Post by: darktater on January 04, 2021, 07:21:32 PM
Not sure I'll be able to wait until the NM arrives to order a Hill.....
Post by: David Phillips on January 04, 2021, 08:43:22 PM
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Post by: bigjohnmissalot on January 09, 2021, 02:09:59 PM
Post by: MnFn on January 10, 2021, 04:05:40 PM
Here it is, 51# @28”, 66” . It has bamboo limbs with cherry veneers and Bolivian rosewood riser.
Post by: ScouterMike on January 12, 2021, 12:24:09 PM
Post by: MnFn on January 12, 2021, 11:17:22 PM
Post by: MnFn on January 12, 2021, 11:21:45 PM
Hey Mike,
What brace height are you at on your Ramer? I ended up damaging my drawing hand . It’s a real bummer when you get a new bow and can’t shoot it for awhile. I’m hoping physical therapy will get me back shooting sooner than later. Can only get things set up right now.
Post by: ScouterMike on January 13, 2021, 07:41:15 AM
Since the handle is reversed the brace height is higher than a typical ASL. My Classic and Sheltons tune in at about 6 1/4 in for example. I have seen others run brace heights as high as 7 1/2 in on the Ramer and Whisper. I think that is mainly to avoid the sharp arm contact when using a straight bow arm style of shooting though.
Hope your hand heals quickly.
Post by: darktater on January 13, 2021, 12:26:58 PM
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Post by: darktater on January 14, 2021, 06:36:50 PM
Post by: Deno on January 14, 2021, 06:39:11 PM
Deno
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Post by: Steelhead on February 18, 2021, 12:41:09 AM
Mine had all Osage limbs and was 66 inches I believe.
Post by: evgb127 on February 18, 2021, 09:39:58 AM
Post by: FITTER on February 18, 2021, 10:50:50 AM
Post by: fmscan on February 18, 2021, 12:35:23 PM
Question, Steve makes his own strings and they are 9 strand and quite thin so all my arrow nocks are very loose, I know I can steam them and then pinch them but was wondering what strings (#of strands, material) you NM guys use?
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Post by: neargeezer on February 18, 2021, 01:53:11 PM
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Post by: stik&string on February 18, 2021, 08:08:21 PM
Post by: Steelhead on February 18, 2021, 08:32:23 PM
you could have a string builder or NM build it up or redue it with thicker serving as well.
Post by: fmscan on February 19, 2021, 03:07:16 PM
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Post by: fmscan on February 19, 2021, 06:02:54 PM
Baylee, I will try the dental floss tomorrow, should do the trick.
Thank you all for your input...
Post by: Michael Guran on February 19, 2021, 06:21:07 PM
Post by: meatCKR on February 20, 2021, 06:44:21 PM
The Srague is blowing my mind. Absolutely the most stable and powerful longbow I've ever had. Best of Luck with your NM.
Post by: fmscan on February 21, 2021, 10:13:46 AM
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Post by: MnFn on March 30, 2021, 11:05:10 AM
With a Northern Mist Ramer, a JD Berry Morningstar, Black Widow MA, and last but certainly not least, a Tall Tines Stickflinger hanging on the wall gathering dust, well it’s killing me. I’m trying to work through therapy on my drawing hand but it is moving slow.
I couldn’t shoot yet anyway because of the triple bypass but still... please keep the posts coming as it’s about my only contact with the trad-world right now.
Gary
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Post by: Deno on March 31, 2021, 01:54:54 AM
:archer2: :archer2: :biglaugh:
Deno
Post by: FITTER on March 31, 2021, 11:07:27 AM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 03, 2021, 09:44:18 AM
Rob, That arrow looks so good, love the nock and the shape of the fletching, so trad looking....
Got my burner set up for it and that's the only feather shape I use for all arrows, no matter what the shaft material (though these dayze I greatly prefer woodies).
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Post by: fmscan on April 03, 2021, 08:27:35 PM
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 03, 2021, 09:09:16 PM
Rob, LOVE the look of the fletch, similar to shield but not quite, is there a name to that shape? Your quiver is beautiful too...
Glad you like it. It's just a shape I fancied while bending the cutting wire. I like it lots. I should make a copy and save it for reference.
I'm also working on a straight cut feather shape, more like the early English style, but with a taller front end. I love these kinda cuts on a woodie, very aesthetic and functional.
I really like a side stealth quiver. I find it far more functional than a back quiver and really easy to use - even better to use in conjunction with a bow quiver.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 05, 2021, 05:48:24 PM
Do they make a hissy sound in the wind?
Surprisingly, not at all. Absolutely no ziiiiiip !
I think it might be because the points aren't that prominent, as one would find on an olde English war arrow, and are below the full height of the feather. I guess?
A new one finished today - I love using Sharpie pens for cresting ;)
Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 05, 2021, 06:10:20 PM
... With Hill with a bunch of quail and rabbits on a bow string by his pick up truck. It was pointed out that his bow had no sight window cut in. I was told that at my much lighter draw that a sight window helps me to shoot stiffer arrows. How is it then that 50 and 55 pound at a 26" draw bows with no sight windows can shoot 27" 55 and 60 pound cedar arrows and get perfect flight 145 grain points? We all checked the new arrows in flight, cannot imagine it could better than that.
For the very most part, the business of arrow spine diminishes as the arrow plate gets cut closer to, or past center. Shooting off one's knuckles will mean that arrow spine selection will be critical. On the other hand, I have a 3pc TD longbow that's cut 1/4" past center and I have little concern over arrow spine and only arrow weight to consider. I've shot good flying arrows out of that bow that were pulled to 29" that were weak 500's with 250 grains up front and they flew like darts. Dittos for 28-1/2" 23/64" Doug Fir woodies that are spined to 80lbs, with 125 grains up front. However, out of a Hill Big Five longbow with its +1/8" arrow plate, those woodies all flew left of the mark with their tails pointing to the right ... as expected.
Post by: Orion on April 05, 2021, 07:18:31 PM
Though there probably is one best spine for any particular draw length, bow weight, most of us aren't good enough shots to find it. Luckily, most bows will shoot a range of spines well, particularly overspined arrows. I have no trouble getting good arrow flight out of my cut proud of center ASLs with arrows spines 10-15# heavier than the bow's draw weight at my draw length.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 05, 2021, 08:10:22 PM
Again, the one clear and present condition will be the location of the arrow plate.
Post by: Wilderlife on April 20, 2021, 03:56:52 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 20, 2021, 04:12:35 PM
This thread, along with a lot of other stuff I've looked at over the last 12 months, has contributed to me getting a longbow built. It should be here by Friday, and it was built by Nick Lintern from Norseman bows here in Australia. I'll post some pictures when it gets here.
:thumbsup:
Post by: evgb127 on April 24, 2021, 05:58:33 PM
Post by: Wilderlife on April 24, 2021, 06:07:02 PM
I'll get some better pics shortly, but these will do for now.
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Post by: Michael Guran on April 24, 2021, 07:12:41 PM
Post by: TxSportsman on April 28, 2021, 11:59:34 PM
I’m already looking for another Berry/Mist/Reverse Handle/String Follow *hint hint anyone*
Updates to follow!
*edit sorry the pic is sideways... posting from my phone.
Post by: evgb127 on May 08, 2021, 10:30:37 PM
Anyway, are any Hill shooters going to Baltimore next week? I’ll be shooting on Friday if anyone wants to meet up.
Post by: Rhstickbow on May 15, 2021, 01:05:44 PM
Post by: Orion on May 15, 2021, 01:49:13 PM
Post by: Rhstickbow on May 15, 2021, 04:46:50 PM
MY Wesley is 68” backset 50lbs. @28. I draw 29”. I use a double tie on string nock set. Where do you typically set your string nock off the shelf? The top nock? I’m thinking that it will be between 5/8” and 3/4”. For three under. Am I wrong?Also where do you set your brace height? Currently I have brace height at 6 5/8” Is that as critical? I’m shooting wood arrows with 145g tips weighing about 530g total weight. I have been shooting split finger for about a month, but My arrow flight is not consistent. I’m going back to three under.
Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks
Post by: Orion on May 15, 2021, 08:33:17 PM
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Post by: Rhstickbow on May 20, 2021, 01:08:03 PM
Post by: Orion on May 20, 2021, 04:11:50 PM
Of course, form problems could also lead to a left impact. Plucking will usually send the arrow careening to the left. If your glove is creased and not releasing the string cleanly, that could lead to erratic arrow flight.
Too, if you've never shot a bow cut proud of center before, you may just be holding the bow/arrow off target. Before you release, look down your arrow to see if it's pointing at the bullseye? If not, you just need to adjust your hold.
Post by: Rhstickbow on May 20, 2021, 05:09:56 PM
I have a question if the problem of right impact arrows is mostly due to the arrow being too stiff, then as you say, on these 60/65 arrows a heavier point will move the arrow more towards the right. If you increase point weight it should balance the arrow flight better? I will have time on Monday to swap out some points and give it a try. I tried 160 and it helped. I also have 190g points and will try those as well. I ordered some 55/60 arrows that should be here on Saturday. If the 60/65 arrow with a 165 g point is shooting less left than the 125g, maybe these 55/60 arrows with a 125g point is what this bow may like. The good thing is when you finally find the arrows the bow in your hand likes then the joy of shooting makes all the trial and error worth it. Thanks again for your help.
Post by: Rhstickbow on May 20, 2021, 05:12:05 PM
Post by: evgb127 on May 20, 2021, 08:56:54 PM
As for your glove question, a crease in the finger stalls of your glove causes your fingertips to wrap around the string and point back toward your face more. Howard Hill said that if your fingertips lay flat across the string, instead of back towards your face, you will have a smoother release. Hence the idea behind the stiff finger stalls on a Hill-style glove.
Howard Hill Archery makes a good “deluxe” glove with reinforced finger stalls. Another great glove, which I believe was developed by the Schulz family, is the American Leathers Crossover and the Kangaroo Krossover. I like that glove better because the finger stalls don’t move around as much but it still has reinforced tips.
If you take care of your glove, it should last a long while.
Post by: Rhstickbow on May 21, 2021, 08:57:14 AM
I appreciate you giving me the names of good glove manufacturers, and I will check them out. I typically have been using the Black Widow glove that is reinforced, I think with Cordovan. It is the best I have found so far, but it sounds like the Kangaroo Krossover may be better with the plastic stiffeners.
Is there anything you do to your gloves for maintenance? Do you treat with some type of conditioner?
Post by: evgb127 on May 21, 2021, 09:40:44 AM
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Post by: elkhunter45 on May 29, 2021, 08:25:03 PM
Post by: Michael Guran on May 29, 2021, 09:52:45 PM
Post by: elkhunter45 on May 30, 2021, 08:32:57 AM
That’s a great looking bow Elkhunter!
Thanks, Michael. I'm pleased with how it turned out. It's the first laminated glass bow that I have built in 20 years. I built several mild R/D style longbows in the 90's, but got busy with other things. It was almost an obsession when I started working on this one. LOL
Post by: mike g on May 30, 2021, 10:39:41 AM
When I ordered my last Bow from Craig, I wanted the white and Green Glass, But at the time he did not have the Green....
So I wound up with a very nice Tembo.
:archer: :campfire:
Post by: elkhunter45 on May 30, 2021, 01:36:26 PM
Nice Bow :notworthy:
When I ordered my last Bow from Craig, I wanted the white and Green Glass, But at the time he did not have the Green....
So I wound up with a very nice Tembo.
:archer: :campfire:
Yes sir!. This is my interpretation of a green and white Tembo, I used 3 tapered lams as my core. I have a .030 parallel on the belly lam only as a support for my fadeout. I think this color combo of green and white is my all time favorite color combo.
Post by: elkhunter45 on May 30, 2021, 01:40:54 PM
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Post by: Wilderlife on June 06, 2021, 08:54:58 PM
Been wanting an HH for years but my draw is short. Hopefully soon. Been watching this thread for a long time. The D shape calls me by name.As has been said, just match the bow to you. I got mine custom made for me by a bowyer here in Aus. It's 65# @ 26.5 inches, which is my draw length with a bow of this style, and it's only 66 inches long. It's also been tillered for three-under and to be efficient with heavy arrows.
It all comes down to the bowyer but I honestly wouldn't let having a shorter draw stop you from getting into this style of bow.
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Didn’t I read somewhere that Howard Hill or John Schulz said the formula for finding the perfect bow length was your draw length plus 40” ?I read that also. Not sure where but it seems like a good formula to avoid finger pinch.
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My son has been using her for the last few years and took a nice doe. This year he goes to college and the old girl will be going out with me…..
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Post by: Wilderlife on November 02, 2021, 10:09:02 PM
I just put a deposit on a 'Pacific Styk' from St Patrick Lake Longbows. Very keen! Haven't decided on all the options yet but I imagine 50# @ 26.5in, 66 inches long, straight or dished grip, clear glass (to show off the yew limb cores :saywhat: ) with a darker riser wood and black leather. Can't wait!
I love my current ASL (Norseman Chieftain) and I can shoot it well but I get tired fairly quickly with it so I wanted something I could shoot all day so I get to enjoy the Hill-style of bow even more.
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Bamboo backed Osage. Love it.
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Post by: Deno on November 13, 2021, 03:52:09 PM
McBroom SF. Spalted mango maybe?
That's a real beauty Tony...likin' the hat too Deno
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Post by: two4hooking on November 22, 2021, 04:04:32 PM
Much has been discussed and debated about these statements.
Recently, I have also realized that the ASL is a unfiltered truth teller. If you listen to the bow it will tell you the flaws in your form. Especially without extra silencers, locator grip, and leather side plate. This can help you diagnose and fix those items quickly and really helps make you a better shot with any bow.
After toying with other types and going back to the Longbow, I realized that despite the terrible arrow flight resulting from my poor form that other bows were hiding from me, those arrows still grouped together likely as a result of the reduction in finger pinch and increased angles that have been discussed elsewhere at length.
So after some reflection I think this is why the classic ASL gets my nod as more forgiving despite it's unbridled truth of my flaws.
Curious what other folks thoughts are on the subject? :archer2:
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Wondering what market value of Shultz Natural‘Grandpa’ and David Miller glass backed bamboo. Both are left handed, mid 50’s poundage. A well known name is wondering what market value is. Not selling.
Hi Ray, I recently saw two right handed Schulz naturals in the low 60’s poundage range sell in less than a week for $600. Given that the bows are left handed, there may not be as much demand, but I would guess that the market value would be about the same. The fact that the bows are owned by a well known name may also help.
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Nice Cheetah Tim. You guys need some snow..
Yes I agree. This is crazy not to have any snow by now. But We just got some today so will be out after work tomorrow trying for a doe.
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With my Norseman Chieftain.
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Post by: A Lex on January 13, 2022, 10:34:02 PM
Good looking pair of bows there.
Looks like you're shooting it pretty good too :clapper:
Just wondered, how does the Dished grip feel compared to the Locator grip?
Any difference in consistency of the actual in the hand grip/feel.
Best
Lex
Post by: Pete Patterson on January 14, 2022, 08:32:56 AM
I'm just wondering what you or anyone else does about carrying both the waldrop and your back quiver at the same time.
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Post by: Wilderlife on January 17, 2022, 02:53:11 PM
I’ve heard nothing but good things about St. Patrick Lake Longbows. Yours looks awesome. Congratulations on the new bow.
I agree. More and more these bows are popping up and everyone has very positive things to say about them seems. Pics are awesome to by the way!!
Thanks, fellas.
Really nice Dylan,
Good looking pair of bows there.
Looks like you're shooting it pretty good too :clapper:
Just wondered, how does the Dished grip feel compared to the Locator grip?
Any difference in consistency of the actual in the hand grip/feel.
Best
Lex
Cheers mate.
I feel a subtle difference between the two grips but honestly didn't have a hard time adjusting to the dished grip. As long as you're putting pressure in the right place and the grip doesn't lean towards making you favour a high wrist I think pretty much anything would be fine. They're both very good. :goldtooth:
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Thanks to Tim “Cut it out” for a heck of a trade to secure a HH Halfbreed.
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Post by: tdc rangemaster on February 02, 2022, 11:26:15 AM
My 20 year old Howard Hill Archery Cheetah. Been an awesome bow. May get another a little lighter pull.
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Post by: fujimo on February 03, 2022, 03:33:00 PM
is it generally same spine shafts as is the poundage of the bow, @ 28" with 125 gr points.
unlike selfbows that are 5# less and modern longbows being 5# more
many thanks
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Post by: frassettor on February 12, 2022, 02:47:53 PM
I shoot 2016’s out of it.
I will be getting 2 more Classics , 45#, and 47#. Will the same 2016 arrow be compatible?
Post by: fujimo on February 12, 2022, 07:44:36 PM
Fujimo, a lot of archers shooting Hill style bows do find that that with a 28" draw and a 125 grain point, their bow likes a spine weight of the bow's draw weight. But, as Larry Dean noted, there are a number of other factors that may come into play. My draw is very short, but I like long arrows with a 125 grain point. I get good arrow flight on my 53 # NM Shelton that I am only drawing 25". Oddly, it shoots 50-55# arrows well, and shoots 55 -60# also very well. I have had numerous others indicate their bows do well with multiple spine ranges also.
Thanks Sam, that for affirming my thoughts.
i was just wanting to generate a spine chart for the HH style bows for our website.
obviously spine charts are just a starting point, as said, there are a lot of variables that will vary from setup to setup.
just a handy starting point.
many thanks
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Benoit ASL. Gray glass. He makes a good one.
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Post by: limbshaker on March 23, 2022, 10:07:12 PM
I’m up real soon for new bow build with Steve Turay at Northern Mist. The only thing that I HAVE decided on is a length of 66”. Still torn between a Classic and a Shelton. BTW, Shelton is my Father’s name! Torn between a look like the old Schulz American longbows of old (dark myrtle riser with very dark brown glass on the back and white glass on the belly. Tempered bamboo limb cores and a semi gloss finish) OR a dark reddish hardwood riser, tempered bamboo limb cores and a veneer that’s lighter in color in contrast! Ah...what to do ? HELP!
My opinion, after having both, get the Classic. It's a little snappier and quicker without being harsh in the least. I don't think it gives up anything to a Shelton at all.
And get the shorter "old school" riser. It looks better, more proportional, and more classic IMO and gives you a fuzz longer working limb.
His gloss finish is the nicest and most durable I have ever had on a bow. If you like shiny bows, it's a must-do.
I've had all his bows, and have a Classic that was built for me, and if I could do it over again that's what I'd get.
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Post by: Yooper-traveler on March 26, 2022, 07:29:39 PM
Lol. Not sure I could do white but gray i for sure could. When your bored of it let me know;) same with the brown Tembo!!!! :goldtooth:
Sigh…..
Yeah I will……;^)
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Happy shooting!
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Post by: UncasUK on April 19, 2022, 01:40:46 PM
I like the dark Bocote, can you tell me was the bow marked exactly at 42@28''
or is it two pounds over, how many laminations and of what wood.
Very nice by the way.
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Post by: UncasUK on May 08, 2022, 11:52:44 AM
How does the Tembo compare to your Cheetah?
Do you like it as much, very interested in your reply.
I have just finished 182 pages of this thread and it's been fascinating
the comments you older more knowledgeable men have.
Post by: Tim Reese on May 08, 2022, 12:23:19 PM
Post by: Wilderlife on May 09, 2022, 05:29:24 PM
Here's a quick video of me mucking around with my Pacific Styk. My first time shooting wood arrows so it was a lot of fun. I can see myself getting more wood arrows in the future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2NCd6AqEx4
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Post by: UncasUK on May 17, 2022, 01:49:42 PM
H&H, JDBerry.Northen Mist.
that must say something to a prospective buyer, I have enjoyed reading every page for the insight of many.
I am now seriously thinking about ordering a H&H Cheetah with 3 lams of bamboo, would that be an improvement
over 2 lams or not worth bothering with?
Post by: evgb127 on May 17, 2022, 02:06:10 PM
I’m no expert by any means, but fewer lams means less glue, which in turn means lighter limbs. So, in theory, the limbs can recover faster. This is why some like the 3-lam Tembo over the 4-lam Big 5. It’s all subject to debate and your mileage may vary.
Happy shooting! :campfire:
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Thanks!
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Shick
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Post by: UglyJoe on June 02, 2022, 03:39:04 PM
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A Mist Classic two piece in cherry, clear glass belly, brown glass back. 68", 52# @ 29". I wanted an all-American bow and I wanted an homage to a backed selfbow, and Steve built one that is perfect.
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I've used the inner-tube over the leather grip trick just to keep it clean, plus it is quite a bit grippier than the leather.
I'm hooked, and I've already got two new ASLs on order. Nothing beats the clean look of an ASL at brace. They are just perfect.
Post by: evgb127 on June 02, 2022, 03:44:56 PM
Post by: UglyJoe on June 02, 2022, 03:50:58 PM
Welcome to the club. Looks like you got bit hard. That’s a great looking bow.
Yeah, I'm bit. I have a 64" Whip by Dan Toelke that I still love, but I think all my new bows will be ASLs from here on out.
I'm curious if anyone of you have experience with all three of Steve's reverse handle bows? I've got a Sprague on order, but I'm considering changing to a Ramer or Whisper. Anyone shot all three and want to comment on them? Which would you prefer of the three? I've also got a Shelton on order, which will be a sister to this Classic, except an homage to English bows.
A year seems so long to wait...
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Chad the green glass and Osage is a very nice combo imo.
Post by: UglyJoe on June 03, 2022, 03:52:04 PM
That’s a great looking Classic Ugly Joe-welcome to the addiction! What part of western NC are you in? I’m just over the line, about 1 hour west of Boone. I hunt in Avery, Mitchell, and McDowell counties. I have a Whisper you are welcome to shoot if you want to try one out…
Thanks for the offer! I'd take you up on that if we get a chance. Although, unless you happened to be wrong-handed like me, I wont really be able to get a feel for the "feel" on a right-hander, I think. Have you considered shooting the trad only shoot at Blue Ridge Bowhunters on the 11 & 12 of June or the 23 of July? It's my club and should be a good time.
I wanted to go to the Howard Hill Classic this weekend but couldn't justify the cost of gas for the trip to Alabama since my son wasn't able to tag along. Hopefully I get to go to a shoot that Steve attends sometime before I come back up on the build list. Maybe I'll get to shoot some examples then.
I do have a question for some of you long time HH shooters. I've found that I am getting riser slap really bad with this bow that I do not get with other bows. I thought it might be too stiff an arrow, so I dropped from a 2117 aluminum with 225 up front that Steve recommended to a 31" long 0.500 Beeman that I had laying around with about 250 up front. The latter should be way too weak, but I'm still getting riser slap. With a bareshaft I get good, straight flight, and on my first 10 or 15 shots everything looks good, but as I shoot a course when I stop concentrating on my form explicitly, I start to get bad riser slap and porpoising of my arrow. The only thing I can think of is that I am collapsing a lot or short-drawing as I get more tired (52# at my DL is the most I've ever shot and I'm still getting used to it), but when I've had others watch me they don't notice anything obvious with my form when it happens. Some of the shooters at my club suggest raising the nock height, but the bow is tillered 3 under (what I shoot) and nock height is about 9/16ths, which is around what others seem to have for a bow tillered 3 under. Also, I get no nock high or low with a bareshaft, so that doesn't seem to be the issue to me.
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Post by: UglyJoe on June 04, 2022, 12:08:23 PM
Joe. A couple of things to consider. First, you might still be on the edge of your arrow being too stiff. Would be worthwhile to try a 600 shaft. And/or your brace height may be too low. On a 68-inch ASL, I've found 6 to 6 1/4 inches works pretty well. Some go much higher. The higher it is, the less likely you're likely to encounter string slap. If you grip the bow tightly, there's a possibility that you're torquing the riser sideways, which would contribute to string slap. And, as you note, it may also be partially related to a breakdown in form.
Thanks for the suggestions. I'm running my brace height at 6 and 9/16" and I've ran it as high as 7" to see if that might be a problem. Doesn't really change much. I may try a weaker spine arrow, but I don't have any 600s around to check. I do have some uncut 400s that are 33" or 34", so I might throw an insert in those and see what happens. But I really think that it's a form thing. I will probably try and get my son to video each of my shots next time we shoot a round at the club so I can look over it later. I think its most likely a combination of collapsing on the shot, torquing the bow a bit, and shelf being cut outside of center (new for me on this bow) that is causing the issue. I'll be working on that this summer. quite a bit.
Nice thing is, even when the arrow comes out nasty and clearly hits the riser, I'm still hitting what I am looking at more often than not.
Post by: UglyJoe on June 04, 2022, 12:09:32 PM
I’ve never heard of the Blue Ridge archery Club-thanks for the heads up! Looks like it’s only about 1.5 hours away. It would be great to meet some area trad guys and I’ll definitely try to make the July shoot.
It's a nice club and we would be glad to see you. Mike Treadway (of Treadway bow fame) is a member and a lot of members shoot his bows, which are pretty spectacular. Not ASLs, but still awesome longbows.
Post by: Tom0728 on June 07, 2022, 10:24:47 PM
Post by: UncasUK on June 08, 2022, 06:29:19 AM
Could you put up some more pictures please.
Riser etc, how many bamboo lams?
Post by: Tim Reese on June 08, 2022, 07:24:29 AM
Post by: UncasUK on June 08, 2022, 09:56:19 AM
and a description of how it was made, and are they still produced special order by Craig.
Post by: evgb127 on June 08, 2022, 11:06:12 AM
That said, Craig is great about taking special orders and building custom bows. I’ve seen a few recently where he added an extra center lam of cocobolo. They looked pretty sharp.
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Post by: Baylee on June 09, 2022, 12:25:10 AM
Does anyone own a H&H Jaguar, I would love to see any photographs
and a description of how it was made, and are they still produced special order by Craig.
I had a Tembo made with the same Rosewood used in the Jaguar. Same carmalized bamboo also. The Jaguar was 4 lams of carmalized bamboo with a single lam of cocobolo running up the belly side. I don’t like mixing wood in the lams so I had it made as a Tembo. It’s possible Craig has some of the riser wood left if so he’d be glad to make you a copy of the Jaguar, it just wouldn’t be a numbered limited edition, or I guess it be a limited to one new edition?
Post by: UncasUK on June 09, 2022, 02:23:45 PM
i would be interested to know how your Jaguar shoots?
is it strait limbs or backset/stringfollow and by how much.
And is that a Moose leather grip.
Post by: Baylee on June 09, 2022, 05:18:09 PM
I’ve shot nothing but ASL style bows for awile now. For most people that switch bows every other day you ain’t gonna notice a difference.. Most get caught up in the riser woods and number of lams mostly the look of the bow. When you have shot enough ASLs to know the difference you’ll then see the small details that make the differences. For example pretty much every ASL being made Northern Mist, Howard Hill...fill in the blank, are making wide limbed flat bows not true ASLs. If that’s all you shoot and your only interested in the looks I guess it doesn’t matter. Shoot a well made deep narrow limbed ASL with a straight or slightly dished grip and you will then see what an ASL can be.
In my opinion JD Berry is making the best ASL design right now. The limbs are narrow 1” or so narrow grip the limbs are thick in cross section and most important tapered toward the belly. Pound for pound that design will be faster and way less vibration at the shot. My San Marco is made that way and is the finest shooting ASL I’ve ever shot, but he no longer makes them. The JDBerry I have is a very close second. The Berry Vixen is about a dead in the hand when shot as a bow can be. It has no more thump, recoil or what some call handshock than a 2 pound recurve bow. And that’s in a bow that doesn’t weigh a pound more like 14 ounces. It will shoot an 8gpp arrow with zero thump. Try that with a wide limbed flat bow? That’s why you hear people advise 14 gpp arrows for an ASL. Shoot a well made ASL with well timed limbs and see the difference.
For years I was in the same boat. You don’t know what you don’t know. But the fact is the wide flat limbed ASLs are made that way cause it’s easier quicker to build and people keep buying them. Beg borrow or steal one built right and you’ll see what I’m talking about and leave the Jaguar in the jungle lol
Post by: Orion on June 10, 2022, 11:00:23 AM
I have seen some ASLs that are 1 1/4 and even a little wider. I would consider those outside the normal parameters of an ASL, but even then, not of flat bow dimensions, which are in the 1 1/2 to 2-inch widths.
Regardless, I consider all of the bows I mentioned to be quality bows, and given the same design -- straight, backset or string follow-- weight and length, I would be hard pressed to decipher any shooting characteristic differences based on a sixteenth or eight inch limb width difference.
Post by: Baylee on June 10, 2022, 01:16:27 PM
B: Don't know your definition of wide limbed flat bows, but NMs and Hills aren't, IMO. Yes, J.D.'s bows are about an inch at the fade outs. I have a Vixen and Valor that are, a Taipan that's about 1 1/16 at the fades. Also have a couple of NM Sheltons that are 1 1/8 inch or a tad less at the fades. A couple of Jets I own are close to 1 1/16. I no longer have any Hills, but i don't recall them as being particularly wide either.
I have seen some ASLs that are 1 1/4 and even a little wider. I would consider those outside the normal parameters of an ASL, but even then, not of flat bow dimensions, which are in the 1 1/2 to 2-inch widths.
Regardless, I consider all of the bows I mentioned to be quality bows, and given the same design -- straight, backset or string follow-- weight and length, I would be hard pressed to decipher any shooting characteristic differences based on a sixteenth or eight inch limb width difference.
Couple things to help you as you seem confused. The Tiapan is not an ASL.
I specifically said the taper of the limbs is the most important thing not just width. And theres a lot more involved than just grinding a bevel on the belly of a limb. Berrys design and limb timing is the reason it has no thump when shot. Even a much heavier Shelton I had with heavy wood arrows had noticeably more recoil at the shot compared to my Vixen that was a lot lighter in mass and backset.
That’s the reason most think they need to shoot heavy arrows or a string follow, handshock.
A Northern mist is a pure rectangle wide limbed flat bow. Maybe you are confused about a flat self bow and a glass backed flat bow? Either way if your happy with your NM continue to be so.
If you have a Vixen and you have a Northern Mist or Hill and you cannot see or feel the difference in shooting then nothing I said pertains to you. I think the rest of the world could easily see and feel the difference and it ain’t just limb width.
The flat rectangle long riser heavy ASL is an easier quicker build, that’s why pretty much all of them look that way now.
Post by: UncasUK on June 10, 2022, 02:15:15 PM
That is the best description of what a ASL should be that I have ever read.
Congratulations Sir.
Post by: Orion on June 10, 2022, 02:32:38 PM
The tapering toward the belly you're talking about is called trapping (I offer the definition not for your edification, but for some others who might read this). It creates a trapezoidal cross section to the limb. There certainly isn't agreement among ASL builders and shooters as to whether trapping toward the belly or toward the back is better or even if a trapped limb has any benefit over a rectangular cross section in a glass laminated bow. (Of course, some builders trap limbs after the fact to make/reduce draw weight for a given customer.) I'm not saying J.D. does that. Trapping is a signature of his bows.
I find string material and brace height have a lot to do with the thump one feels at the end of the shot. A dacron string (vs a low stretch string) or a brace height that's too low both increase the thump at the end of the shot. So will out of time limbs, of course, even how the shooter grips the bow. There are lots of potential reasons for felt hand shock. Though my Berrys are gentle in the hand, they're no more gentle than my string follow Northern Mists. By comparison, my Jets have a bit more hand shock.
Howard Hill coined the term ASL -- American semi-longbow. If memory serves, his definition is on page 93 of Hunting the Hard Way. I no longer have the book, but to paraphrase, he described the ASL longbow in comparison to the English longbow. By comparison, he described the cross section of the ASL limb as rectangular, as opposed to the D-shape cross section of an English longbow. And in length, he described the ASL semi-long, again in relation to an English longbow which was longer.
Trapping doesn't define an ASL. And a limb width that's 1/16 to 1/8 inch wider than the narrower longbows being built doesn't
make it a flat bow. Lots of reputable ASL builders and shooters out there would concur, I think.
Regardless, you've obviously found a bow you like in JD's bows. I like them as well. However, that's no reason to trash other ASLs/builders. Your experience with hand shock may or may not be representative of "the rest of the world."
Post by: Baylee on June 10, 2022, 05:57:55 PM
I'm not confused. Been shooting sticks for nearly 70 years. During that time, I've shot countless ASLs of different lengths, weights, builders and models. I'm pretty confident that I can decipher different shooting characteristics when I encounter them. I mention the Taipan only for reference. Despite it not being an ASL, it's another of J.D.s bows that sports narrow limbs.
The tapering toward the belly you're talking about is called trapping (I offer the definition not for your edification, but for some others who might read this). It creates a trapezoidal cross section to the limb. There certainly isn't agreement among ASL builders and shooters as to whether trapping toward the belly or toward the back is better or even if a trapped limb has any benefit over a rectangular cross section in a glass laminated bow. (Of course, some builders trap limbs after the fact to make/reduce draw weight for a given customer.) I'm not saying J.D. does that. Trapping is a signature of his bows.
I find string material and brace height have a lot to do with the thump one feels at the end of the shot. A dacron string (vs a low stretch string) or a brace height that's too low both increase the thump at the end of the shot. So will out of time limbs, of course, even how the shooter grips the bow. There are lots of potential reasons for felt hand shock. Though my Berrys are gentle in the hand, they're no more gentle than my string follow Northern Mists. By comparison, my Jets have a bit more hand shock.
Howard Hill coined the term ASL -- American semi-longbow. If memory serves, his definition is on page 93 of Hunting the Hard Way. I no longer have the book, but to paraphrase, he described the ASL longbow in comparison to the English longbow. By comparison, he described the cross section of the ASL limb as rectangular, as opposed to the D-shape cross section of an English longbow. And in length, he described the ASL semi-long, again in relation to an English longbow which was longer.
Trapping doesn't define an ASL. And a limb width that's 1/16 to 1/8 inch wider than the narrower longbows being built doesn't
make it a flat bow. Lots of reputable ASL builders and shooters out there would concur, I think.
Regardless, you've obviously found a bow you like in JD's bows. I like them as well. However, that's no reason to trash other ASLs/builders. Your experience with hand shock may or may not be representative of "the rest of the world."
I’m not saying the trapped limbed ASL is the only true ASL. What I am saying is there is another version that is superior to the long riser wide limbed rectangle limbed bows. I’ve owned over 50 different ASLs by every bower selling them now and several from the past, I’ve shot hundreds. I’d lump all the rectangular bows in one pile no matter who made them. The Miller concave/convex limb design is another separate category, I’ve owned one and they are great bows, I sold mine. The last category would be the slimmer trapped limbed thick cored ASLs. All 3 are very different in feel and performance. There are people that prefer each. But the cookie cutter rectangle 1 1/8” - 1/1/4” wide bows with the 15-16” risers so prevalent now are at the very bottom of the pile. I’ve seen them built with shorter risers but retain the rectangle limb, I’ve seen them with 1 1/16” wide limbs but still the long riser and rectangle limbs. I’ve seen them trapped to various degrees still wide still with a long riser. All about the same performance wise.
When I started shooting ASLs I didn’t know there was any difference. Same as my first car. It was a pos but I was as happy to have it as if it been a new Mercedes. Over time years of shooting I have refined my taste in both cars and bows.
If you’ve never shot one of the ones I’m describing you’d probably think what does it matter? I guess it don’t if you don’t know anything else. Like I said if you like your rectangle bows enjoy. I don’t sell bows for a living so what anyone else shoots doesn’t matter to me. I’m just letting people that may not know any better that there is an alternative.And 7” brace heights, 14gpp arrows and skinny strings is an answer to a question better left unanswered lol. The San Marco would be the first one on the list if I was looking for one.
Post by: Orion on June 10, 2022, 07:16:28 PM
I see we've taken this conversation about as far as it can be taken It's been enlightening.
Post by: Wilderlife on June 13, 2022, 03:59:05 PM
Using an ASL in a competition.
Using wood arrows in a competition.
Shooting in a 3D competition.
Using split finger in a competition.
I finished 3rd out of three people. :biglaugh: Very happy with how I shot sometimes and very annoyed with others, but I'm still very new to the ASL game (and archery in general) so I'm pleased with the weekend and had a heap of fun, which is the main thing. I also know what I was doing wrong so I can look to work on those issues.
Here is a picture for anyone interested. Our clubhouse in the background is brand new and we are looking forward to hosting more shoots in the future.
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Bow and arrow setup is SPL Pacific Styk. 51# @ 26.5in. 66in long. 60-65 POC shafts cut to about 27.75in with 125gn points on the front. They weigh about 500gns.
Post by: shick on June 13, 2022, 05:02:20 PM
Shick
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Good fun hey :goldtooth:
Best
Lex
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Post by: TxSportsman on June 27, 2022, 12:27:28 AM
Figure this is the best place to ask this. Does anyone know if Nate Steen is still making bows or leather goods? If so, does anyone have his contact information? I had read he wasn't taking bow orders anymore some time ago, but I don't know if that was a permanent thing or if he was just getting caught up on his backlog at that time. Thanks in advance.
Nate is still building leather goods. As for bows... well I'll let him answer that.
Post by: JJ198 on August 10, 2022, 01:00:35 PM
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Post by: trad_bowhunter1965 on August 10, 2022, 04:25:04 PM
PICS OR DIDNT HAPPEN :archer: :biglaugh: :oJJ198 Tim is right it's illegal not posting a photo of you bow :biglaugh:
Post by: JJ198 on August 10, 2022, 06:01:07 PM
So stay tuned till this old man can figure it out
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Post by: woodchucker on August 13, 2022, 07:54:51 PM
I've been shooting recurves my whole life, and I just can't get used to the dished grip, and "heeling it"
Guess I'm just a recurve guy??
I have been following this thread, and enjoying it very much!!!
Just a few days ago, I found out what an "ASL" is!! But, I have a stupid question...
Just how long, is a semi-long, longbow...?? :dunno:
Post by: Old Gray Hill on August 13, 2022, 08:30:11 PM
Post by: TxSportsman on August 14, 2022, 12:12:37 AM
I believe Howard’s guideline was to take 40” and then add your draw length to get the right length bow for you. Some have said that the rule was to do that and then subtract 1”. My draw is 27” so I’ve done both and they all work just fine.
Would like to see some pictures of those Steen bows.
Post by: woodchucker on August 14, 2022, 11:50:21 AM
My Mountain Man longbow is 68" Perfect!! Right?? :dunno:
Problem is.... I'm only 5'7" (maybe 6''? old age & shrinkage) Dang bow strung, is taller than ME!! :readit:
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Post by: woodchucker on August 14, 2022, 07:47:41 PM
I was only shooting about 15yds, but put 3 out of 5 in the block target... NOT BAD for the first try!!
Second round, string slapped my arm. DONE!! (I need to dig out my arm guard)
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Don't worry I'm just as useless at posting photographs
but we do have other qualities.
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Post by: Ben Maher on August 16, 2022, 07:33:29 AM
My three Sunset Hills - White Dragon, El Tigre, and Lionheart.
Ooooh …. I remember me this bows !
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Post by: evgb127 on September 09, 2022, 06:36:30 PM
Pennsylvania squirrel season opens tomorrow. I’ll be out with my ASL. :goldtooth:
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the coffin was flanked by the Royal company of archers, the Queens bodyguard when in Scotland.
They had their traditional longbows and Eagle feather bonnets they were formed in 1676, wonderful.
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https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/royal-company-of-archers.html
I need that gig.
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Post by: Chad R on September 18, 2022, 11:37:26 PM
I’m having a blast with my new Northern Mist Classic. 66” 41#@28”. My first true ASL. I can see why you all like them. Shoots great and not fussy about arrows.
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It is shown with 60/65 Surewoods by Snag, because that is the closest spined woodie I currently have. I will be ordering some new ones eventually. Sure wish David was still making arrows! For me it doesn’t get any better than an Allen Boice built bow shooting a David Lawson arrow.
Post by: Old Gray Hill on September 19, 2022, 10:15:42 AM
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I love Northern Mist green.👍
I had one in a Shelton but was a little too much for me after my medical stuff happened but it was a great now ! I hope you enjoy yours.
Post by: Chad R on September 19, 2022, 12:54:13 PM
UncasUK - I draw 26.5 and my wood arrows are 27.5” and all my wood arrows have 125 grain field points or broadheads. It shoots the 40-45# spine really good. Some are 5/16 and some are 11/32 tapered to 5/16”. But it also shoots 29” 600 carbons with 200 - 125 tips and some 35-40 woodies good too. 1816 aluminum were good too. Like I said…. Not fussy like other R/D longbows I have had.
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Went out last night for our opener. No shots though
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Post by: evgb127 on October 04, 2022, 11:17:46 AM
Fortunately, the bow was well packaged and appears to be fine.
So, about this bow. It’s 66”, yew lams, and scales at just over 48@28”. It’s been through the hands of some great guys. I can’t wait for the rain to clear so I can try her out. :campfire:
Post by: Old Gray Hill on October 04, 2022, 12:27:56 PM
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Sweet Bow!!
Post by: evgb127 on October 04, 2022, 03:18:10 PM
Does it have glass or is it a "Natural" ?
It has brown glass on the back and clear glass on the belly. Pictures don’t do this bow justice.
Post by: David Mitchell on October 04, 2022, 03:21:04 PM
UPS did the same thing to a bow I shipped in a PVC tube.
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Post by: Wilderlife on October 05, 2022, 04:56:00 PM
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Post by: Wilderlife on October 07, 2022, 04:59:56 PM
51# and 65# at my draw lengths.
Total tally with them? One rabbit with the 51# and one pig with the 65#. :biglaugh: I'd happily take a deer with either of them , based on my experience with other bows.
Post by: Old Gray Hill on October 07, 2022, 05:13:26 PM
Post by: two4hooking on October 07, 2022, 06:35:20 PM
They are things of beauty. I had a laugh on a different forum recently about this, in that I'm a much better shot with my recurves, but I feel like I look much cooler when walking around the bush with an ASL. :biglaugh:
Not me. I’m opposite. Not good enough for the recurve and shoot these better.
One thing i think is due to the deep thick long working limbs there is a draw weight that is too low and starts to be not efficient. I’m not sure what that level is but one bowyer has told me around 40 pounds maybe close to the break even level.
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Post by: strigif0rm3s on October 10, 2022, 03:33:36 PM
All yew with lignum vitae riser. Awesome shooter.
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Post by: UncasUK on October 13, 2022, 08:52:46 AM
What a realy nice bow you have there, hope you have lots of memorable hunts with it.
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Post by: shick on October 18, 2022, 04:20:31 AM
Shick
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Post by: WESTBROOK on October 30, 2022, 12:15:43 PM
ASL gets it done again!
Greg, Did you switch to shooting Lefty?
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Post by: John Whitaker on November 02, 2022, 03:49:34 AM
A St Patrick Lake American -white and caramel glass that's 68" and 49#, the other is a Northern Mist Classic - Osage lams 68" and 49#. It's started cooling off here so I'm hoping to get up in the local foothills for a deer hunt in the next few weeks.
I've also got a HH Redman on order and am looking forward to it's arrival.
Post by: Tim Reese on November 02, 2022, 08:39:01 PM
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Post by: John Whitaker on November 15, 2022, 12:38:33 PM
Nice pair of bows John!!
Thank you Tim!
A couple more pictures of ASL goodness..... :goldtooth: [ You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Post by: UncasUK on November 15, 2022, 12:49:39 PM
A beautiful quartet of longbows there. :notworthy:
Post by: John Whitaker on November 15, 2022, 01:06:56 PM
John, who builds the first and third bows from the top in your picture?Thank you!
A beautiful quartet of longbows there. :notworthy:
From the top down
Dave Shultz (John's son) 66" "The Sage" Myrtle riser, bamboo belly and Osage back - sadly too heavy for me now
St Patrick Lake "American Styk" 68" 49#
Northern Mist Sheldon 68 " 53# all Yew not sure of the riser
Northern Mist " Classic" 68" 49# Osage lams with boo cores
Howard Hill "Redman" 68" 38# Yew and cocobolo
Post by: Tim Reese on November 15, 2022, 04:18:13 PM
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Post by: 58WINTERS on November 22, 2022, 03:52:14 PM
Post by: John Whitaker on November 22, 2022, 08:02:03 PM
john w who built the quivers in your post?Those were both made by Nate Steen, he does some amazing work.
Post by: 58WINTERS on November 22, 2022, 10:05:32 PM
58W
Post by: Yooper-traveler on January 17, 2023, 02:38:37 PM
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Post by: strigif0rm3s on January 17, 2023, 02:40:55 PM
Mahantango redtail. Cherry veneers and core.
Awesome bow brother.
Post by: Yooper-traveler on January 17, 2023, 03:27:35 PM
Post by: strigif0rm3s on January 17, 2023, 03:31:33 PM
Thanks Brandon. Same weight and length as my other Redtail.Yea Jim's bows are great. Enjoy it! Although I know I don't have to tell you that...because you will. 😁
Post by: Vesty on January 17, 2023, 07:24:17 PM
Post by: evgb127 on January 17, 2023, 07:37:26 PM
It looks like you made the 6,000th post! I think you’re obligated to post some pictures of one of the 6,000 bows you ordered recently. :biglaugh:
Also, Yooper, that’s a sweet looking Redtail. I love cherry. I hope you enjoy it.
Post by: Yooper-traveler on January 17, 2023, 07:50:13 PM
Post by: Terry Green on January 17, 2023, 08:26:25 PM
After over 1000 pages and 15000 posts, the original ""HH bug got me" thread hit a forum software threshold and refused to work, so that thread has been fixed and this one continues the great tradition of the original American flatbow, the Howard Hill Longbow!
... please continue that great conversation!
:campfire:
:shaka:
PART ONE IS HERE (http://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=100971.0)
This is the 2nd thread, and above is the 1st.
Post by: strigif0rm3s on January 17, 2023, 08:37:03 PM
Hey Brandon,
It looks like you made the 6,000th post! I think you’re obligated to post some pictures of one of the 6,000 bows you ordered recently. :biglaugh:
Also, Yooper, that’s a sweet looking Redtail. I love cherry. I hope you enjoy it.
I've gotten a few new bows over the past year or so.....
Post by: Yooper-traveler on January 17, 2023, 09:16:45 PM
Post by: strigif0rm3s on January 18, 2023, 12:47:43 PM
Good start Brandon ;)
It's not ALL of them, just most of the new ones. :)
Thanks bud.
Post by: Michael Guran on January 18, 2023, 01:17:29 PM
Post by: strigif0rm3s on January 18, 2023, 01:55:21 PM
Nice stable of bows Brandon. I really like the look of the bow in the middle with the grey handle—what is it?That's a Bivouac Bows Hilljack. Walnut lams, Claro Walnut Riser and Yellow glass.
Post by: Michael Guran on January 18, 2023, 03:32:49 PM
Post by: strigif0rm3s on January 18, 2023, 05:51:03 PM
Very nice! Does it shoot as good as it looks?Of course!
Post by: trad_bowhunter1965 on January 19, 2023, 04:55:47 PM
Wow that is beautiful did you just get it ?
Post by: Tim Reese on January 22, 2023, 01:02:42 PM
Post by: strigif0rm3s on January 23, 2023, 09:17:09 AM
strigif0rm3sGot it very early Fall 2022
Wow that is beautiful did you just get it ?
Post by: evgb127 on March 08, 2023, 08:45:36 PM
Post by: Tim Reese on March 09, 2023, 11:57:36 AM
Post by: strigif0rm3s on March 09, 2023, 01:56:48 PM
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Post by: strigif0rm3s on March 09, 2023, 08:44:33 PM
Nice bows, Brandon. A fella could have worse diseases. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:You got that right Jerry! Haha.
Thanks. Maybe I'll see you Saturday at the trad shoot.
Post by: Vroomvroom on March 10, 2023, 03:29:59 AM
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Post by: strigif0rm3s on March 10, 2023, 08:08:52 AM
Question to the asl owners. Do these longbows feel smothI think so. Very much. I wouldn't shoot them if they weren't.
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Post by: Vroomvroom on March 10, 2023, 09:59:19 AM
I wouldn’t care if there’s a slight loss in performance so I’d get one a few inches longer than recommended for my 5’9”. I hear string follow might make it a little smoother upon release. What are some of the more popular makers of these bows. I been reading northern mist and HH. Any others?
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Post by: Wilderlife on March 13, 2023, 07:42:09 PM
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Post by: Yooper-traveler on March 18, 2023, 01:57:08 PM
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68” Redtail
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70” Redtail with some SF
Post by: Wilderlife on April 04, 2023, 04:20:29 PM
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Post by: mgf on April 04, 2023, 06:39:33 PM
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Post by: strigif0rm3s on April 04, 2023, 08:40:02 PM
HH Panther (cedar lams) with tulipwood riser.
69" 44@28
Post by: Yooper-traveler on April 04, 2023, 08:58:51 PM
Post by: strigif0rm3s on April 04, 2023, 09:03:30 PM
Wow Brandon!Thanks.
Maybe need to stop buying so many bows and start killing more animals. Hahha!
Post by: evgb127 on April 07, 2023, 08:52:27 AM
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Post by: Yooper-traveler on April 09, 2023, 07:49:34 AM
Wow Brandon!Thanks.
Maybe need to stop buying so many bows and start killing more animals. Hahha!
Always room for more ASLs….
Post by: strigif0rm3s on April 09, 2023, 08:01:46 AM
Always room for more ASLs….Wow Brandon!Thanks.
Maybe need to stop buying so many bows and start killing more animals. Hahha!
Ok fine, I'll buy some more.... :help:
Haha
Post by: Vroomvroom on April 09, 2023, 08:06:29 AM
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Post by: Vroomvroom on July 14, 2023, 07:32:21 AM
Post by: MnFn on July 14, 2023, 08:41:38 AM
I think I finally found a longbow I can shoot :biglaugh:
In my defense, two different spines.
Post by: evgb127 on July 14, 2023, 06:19:22 PM
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Post by: two4hooking on July 24, 2023, 02:37:50 PM
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Post by: Tim Reese on July 24, 2023, 06:47:35 PM
Post by: two4hooking on July 25, 2023, 08:05:27 AM
This arrow has a little inscription I had to preserve... Maybe it will bring a little extra luck?!
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Post by: Tim Reese on July 25, 2023, 03:37:43 PM
Keeping the inscription.
Post by: goose_ on July 26, 2023, 07:23:11 AM
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Post by: Tim Reese on July 28, 2023, 08:27:20 PM
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Post by: goose_ on August 01, 2023, 11:08:31 AM
Nice bow! I believe they have some belly trap also?!
I believe so. It’s not super obvious, but you can feel it running your hand along the limb.
Post by: Tim Reese on August 01, 2023, 07:28:58 PM
Post by: two4hooking on September 08, 2023, 12:58:34 PM
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The handle is a little deeper than my Mist and I think she fits a little better in that way.
Also, I wanted to let folks know that Nate Steen (Sunset Hill Bowyer) has started a new Blog and I am excited to read some future thoughts. Here is the welcome message:
Good day all, welcome to my not so serious blog site, where I will occasionally, as time permits, post information concerning Howard Hill style longbows, Leather goods, and other information as it pertains to the Hill method of shooting a longbow. I'll also discuss my own Sunset Hill Longbows and tackle. My goal is to share information to help others understand more fully the simplicity of this style of archery equipment and the simplicity of the shooting style that goes with it. As John Schulz once said, "Simplicity is Elegance" and we will definitely use that approach with this blog. Simplicity of tackle, of shooting technique, of the entire approach to shooting a longbow and enjoying the flight of a well-shot arrow to it's mark. Keep checking back and see what I or others will add... Have a great day shooting the LongBow!
Check it out sometime. :coffee: https://sunsethilllongbowsandleather.blogspot.com/
Post by: goose_ on September 08, 2023, 01:47:08 PM
Post by: shick on September 08, 2023, 02:14:38 PM
Shick
Post by: two4hooking on September 08, 2023, 03:26:23 PM
Look forward to reading that blog. I’m a lefty too, definitely gotta snap them up when you see them. How do you find the 69 inch length? My 68 NM is a good bit smoother than my 66 inch red tail classic. I’m not sure if that’s length or other factors at play.
Depends on the bow IMO. My 66 inch Sunset when I shot righty was perfect. But in other bows I like at least a 68-69 inch length better. My mist is 68 and the HHA 69 and I don't see much difference in the inch. My DL is 27.5 abouts.
Post by: evgb127 on September 09, 2023, 06:11:57 PM
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Post by: varmint101 on September 09, 2023, 10:21:47 PM
I got a Northern Mist Ramer back in June. Man I can’t help but shoot it good. So much fun!
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Post by: shick on September 10, 2023, 12:53:04 PM
Shick
Post by: evgb127 on September 10, 2023, 09:05:59 PM
For those, like me, who are trying to kill some time before the season starts, I highly recommend Stephen Graf’s latest book, “The Long Fix.” In addition to improving your Hill-style shooting, you can also learn how to build your own Hill-style glove!
I’m working on mine now. :campfire:
Post by: Ben Maher on September 13, 2023, 09:30:44 PM
First hunt if the season for deer was good to me. Brush blind and file sharpened 190 grain ribtek made quick work which was good because it was darn hot! :goldtooth:
Nice work Greg ...
I am somewhat shocked that you used a broadhead as primitive and cheap as a Ribtek , and file sharpening ? Cant be true , definitely shouldn't even work :biglaugh:
Post by: two4hooking on September 14, 2023, 07:03:02 AM
Post by: trad_bowhunter1965 on September 14, 2023, 09:58:06 AM
Ben are the Ribtek still being made ?First hunt if the season for deer was good to me. Brush blind and file sharpened 190 grain ribtek made quick work which was good because it was darn hot! :goldtooth:
Nice work Greg ...
I am somewhat shocked that you used a broadhead as primitive and cheap as a Ribtek , and file sharpening ? Cant be true , definitely shouldn't even work :biglaugh:
Post by: Ben Maher on September 16, 2023, 04:55:56 AM
Unfortunately.
Some of us may have hoarded up
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Post by: two4hooking on October 21, 2023, 04:04:12 PM
Can’t believe how young I looked in those first shots.
https://vimeo.com/876526465/
Post by: shick on October 22, 2023, 05:26:45 AM
Shick
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on October 22, 2023, 08:26:57 AM
I made a little vid with some old videos. Enjoy!
Can’t believe how young I looked in those first shots.
Outstanding video! :clapper: :thumbsup: :archer2: :campfire:
Post by: Tim Reese on October 22, 2023, 02:26:57 PM
Post by: shick on October 22, 2023, 05:41:45 PM
Shick
Post by: GregD on October 31, 2023, 10:01:59 AM
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https://youtu.be/slBaSRuwUGw?si=bZEvEDL8Dy1QPJ-H
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Post by: Tim Reese on November 08, 2023, 08:28:03 AM
With it. But it shoots awesome. Seems almost easy if that makes sense
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Post by: shick on November 08, 2023, 11:57:21 AM
Shick
Post by: evgb127 on November 13, 2023, 07:23:06 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on November 13, 2023, 08:05:42 PM
https://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=182529.msg3042171#msg3042171