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What are some other options to replace brass nocks on bowstrings? I have heard of floss. Also good/bad points to using brass nocks or alternatives?
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floss works great but artificial sinew is more durable. Hobby Lobby and some sponsors carry it. Use caution when replacing either as you can cut serving.
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A friend just showed me that B-50 string material that is waxed. Tied in and then super glued. You also have various colors to choose from. Makes a world of difference!!! I will never return to brass nocks ever again!!
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I like floss or a piece of bow string. I think that the brass nock wears on my glove a little. Just personal preference.
Josh
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Personaly, I like the brass nocks!!! Once I put them on, They stay put.
However, I'm rather picky about putting them on & have developed my own little "system" over the years. To put them on right, you need 4 things. 1) The RIGHT size nock 2) A GOOD set of nock pliers 3) a GOOD bow square 4) Knowing EXACTLY where to put the nock!!!
Once I put a new string on & get it stretched & the brace hieght set, I get my bow square & find EXACTLY where I want to put my nock point. I slowly clamp it on, double & triple checking as I'm doing this, to make ABSOLUTELY sure it does not move. When it is crimped tightly, you will see that the nock pliers have burred & buggerd up the edges. Now, I take 2 pieces of masking tape,(I like the blue "painter's" tape) and wrap the serving on both sides of the nock. Then, I take a good single cut Basterd File,(actualy,my broadhead file) and slowly rolling the serving with my fingers, smooth off the rough edges. The results, are a nice clean, perfectly smooth nock, that will NEVER move!!!
Just one Old Woodchucker's opinion.....
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Just wax some common thread, and wrap it tight, you will get less vibrations because there is less weight on the string.
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I use white BCY 3D for my tied in nock points, one over and one under the nock.
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I tie on with #4 nylon serving usually in red. A spool will last a guy a loooong time lol. Simply alternating overhand knots with a double at the bottom. Leave the tags long get them melted and mash back into itself a drop so superglue locks it in once you find the sweet spot.
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What timing. I just tied a nail knot on a recurve with string serving. It will never slip.
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S2 has a nice tutorial for knotting the nocks
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I'm w/Woodchucker-Hap
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Tie On Nock points are THE way to go my friend!
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I've been tying on my nocks since I started shooting traditional bows for around 20 years.It just looks more traditional to me and doesn't require any tools to tie them on.I just prefer to do them that way.
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I prefer tie-ons - currently using FF - as I find that a brass nock indicator sometimes rips up my lip or nose.
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Another vote for serving string tie-ons!
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Here is a you tube video on how to tie the whip tie adjustable nocking point. It is very easy to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1YlYqDiJN8U
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I have been tying on with floss for a long time. I mix a little glue in the early wraps, and then rub some melted wax in when finished. Very smooth, very durable.
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If a tie on nock is done correctly you can twist it one way or the other for fine tuning adjustments, and will stay put without glue.
I've used all kinds of material from bow string, to serving material, to dental floss. They all work fine, but some last longer than others do. The waxed string they use for sewing leather is excellent as long as you don't tie it too tight.
The brass nocs work fine, but i do not like the extra weight on the string, they can tear up a guys glove, and it's real easy to damage your serving removing them, or loosening them for adjustment...... 02 cents
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I use BCY nock point tying thread. Works very well.....Dave
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I just double serve above and below a 1/2 inch with about a 3/8 gap. Never moves, never drags on gloves or tabs.......
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Chad Weaver just sent me some Halo 0.30 serving material from B.C.Y. and I did two tie ons from a video that Rick B*a*r*b*e*e shows and it works great and the easiest I found to do yet...
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I like floss because it stays in place and don't cut my glove .
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I use old bow strings (B50 or B55) have a life time supply.
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20 pound Stren fishing line works great.
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Tom,
I've been trying an alternative to brass and tie ons for a while and I like it. I use electricians shrink tube. Can get it in different diameters and cut short sections off the longer length. With a little effort,a section can be worked onto the string over the loop and slid into the place you want it on the serving. Carefully apply heat ( I use a Bic lighter) and it shrinks into place. A second piece can be added over the first to add thickness. Haven't had a nock set with this move and it outlasts the tied on versions I used to use. Hope this is helpful
Best regards,
Todd
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Todd,
Have you ever tried that on a tie on?
I'm just thinking maybe the tie on will last longer with that shrink wrap and still be able to adjust up/down if need be...I might have to try that myself and if the tie on gets too loose and slides then I'll just carefully cut it off and re do it...
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that pencil whip knot looks like a pain LOL!
try a small bar style soda straw. Shove the tag end when youre done through the straw and pull the straw out. The smaller the straw the easier it is to draw the knot together nicely!
That said, you should try alternating sides with overhand knots. I usually tie on 4 or 5 per side...than do a double at the end. Much easier and works just as good as the nail knot will.
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Great tip on the straw
:thumbsup:
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Yep I have an old string I have cut up and use for tie on nock material. It is B50. Put one over and one a 1/16" under your arrow nock when it is on the string. The lower one eliminates the nock from slipping down the string on the shot when your serving gets too loose. Believe me when that happens it is a tuning nightmare until you figure out whats going on.
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I tie on 30# artificial sinew. Loop both ends under the wrap for a clean no drag tie on.
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Keefer,
Haven't tried that. A double shrink tube layer has worked well for me. It shouldn't move once heat has been applied.
Todd
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Never had a problem with a brass nockset cutting into a glove or a tab in 20-something years of using them...but I still use a tie-on sometimes, just to see if I can tell the difference (I can't).
Working with the NASP, they must use tie-on nocksets--brass isn't allowed, and the shrink-tube ones that come on the bows are just waiting to slip at the worst possible time. We use BCY nock tying thread, but as others have noted there's a lot of options that work just fine.
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Chad ,
Thanks for that .030 you sent me to try...I love it and I can say the main reason I like a tie on nock is for adjustments if need be without having to uncrimp a brass nock and re crimping it to tune.
I would use a brass and have done so for 35 years but since trying the tie on and the benefit of adjusting it anywhere,anytime I prefer a tie on nock more...
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Happy1, Great video on the adjustable nocks... well done!
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dental floss is all i use it holds up real good and is cheap
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I used scotch tape as a nock point for a season. There was already a mark from where i had been nocking an arrow so i just rolled a good amount over the string. Actually helped my release a bit and it was on the string from my first two deer with a recurve
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Black electrical tape. Sounds stupid but I've been using it for about 20 years.
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I like the ones that lefties-r-us one of our sponsors uses he builds great strings and always ships orders fast. Once I used his nocking points and strings no need for anything else.
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I use B50 and tie on a series of square knots, total of 2 nocksets. If you do it right, you can screw the sets up and down the string, making them very adjustable.