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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: larry f on May 12, 2014, 07:42:00 PM
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Thinking about going to a single bevel type broad head for a moose hunt this fall. Have been going down in bow weight as I get a bit older. Any feedback both positive and negative would be welcomed.
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You know what they say about bears and blood trails? lousy right? I shot a very large ( 400 lbd spring bear) with an Eclipse single bevel werewolf 145 grain out of a 43 lb recurve and the blood trail was amazing. Even though he only went 45 yards, there was blood every where. They will be on my arrows on my next moose hunt in 2015.
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I'm going to be using a 200 grain single bevel Helix for moose this fall. I'll be shooting 49.5# unless I change bows.
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Shoot a large cow moose with a single bevel zwickey no mercy,out of a 52@28 black widow long bow. Arrow lodged in the far shoulder,moose went about 30 yards.
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Larry, a 2 blade single bevel Grizzly Kodiac is a deadly broadhead!
I have killed a bunch of animals with arrows over my 30 years of bowhunting, I have shot 2, 3 and 4 blade heads, single and double beveled.
In my opinion, a sharp broadhead in the right place puts everything down quickly. The blood trail depends on what the broadhead cuts on the way through and where and if the arrow pokes out the other side.
My shortest blood trail to date was this hog killed with a 2 blade single bevel Grizzly Kodiac. You can see the blood on the ground at the impact site and the dead hog in the same picture!
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee98/Benjy45/TradGang/DSC07049-1.jpg) (http://s235.photobucket.com/user/Benjy45/media/TradGang/DSC07049-1.jpg.html)
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I started using single bevel 150gr. Grizzlystix Samurai heads this year and they are amazing. Easy to sharpen and fly outstanding out of my 52# BW. Highly recommend them to anyone looking to try something new, a little expensive but well worth it.
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YES
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After reading what Dr. Ashby said about benefits of single bezel and seeing his seminar videos on YouTube I am going to try them this fall. Seems like Badger, Zwickey No Mercy, and Tuffhead are best options for my set up. Just a little apprehension about the T H's and other well know heads that you have to use adaptor for? Seems like another step, more tine and chance of coming un glued? Do people really like using the adaptors or am I right that s rew in is easier with less chance of error?
Heads are going on carbon shafts and out of a 49@28 longbow.
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The adapters are easy to hotmelt glue in and with the options of short, long, aluminum or steel you can easily change the weight of the head by which adaptor that you use. It makes it easier to tune the broadhead to your setup.
Benjy
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Adapters give tremendous versatility in head weights.I used to like screw-ins as I wasn't real good at spinning and aligning the tips.I learned how and it is simple,with an easy to make alignment jig.
http://www.singlebevelbroadheads.com/Mounting_Aligning_the_Tuffhead.html
Glueing is just like glueing anything.It just takes a few seconds prep of both surfaces and there will be no problem with bonding.There are dozens of people here that will walk you through each step of the process.These days,all my broadheads are on adapters.Nothing wrong with screw ins if they come in the weight and style you need but glue ons just allow more versatility in point weight.
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Good information, I am leaning toward the tuffhead as I can get the right weight for my set up.
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I am leaning toward the tuffhead as I can get the weight I am looking for. I want to have at least 300 grains on the front end.
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Larry, I have been shooting single bevel Grizzlies for 20 years. I have had to reduce poundage also the last several years and was nervous about shooting large hogs with bow weights in the high 40's, low 50's. My fears where unfounded as I have continued to have good penetration and great blood trails.
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The Tuffhead is a good one.They are high quality,super tough and come with a very good edge.I hone mine a little but it doesn't take much.A real positive feature also,is that the ferrule is very true and it is about impossible to mount without it spinning true.The also have glue in field points to match.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/jbrandenburg/BearSeason2013015.jpg) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/jbrandenburg/media/BearSeason2013015.jpg.html)
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Tuffhead 2013. Tuffhead is the best I've ever tried and I might come close to being able to say that I've tried most.
(http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/JCHavard/IMG_0111_zpsc48e8642.jpg) (http://s603.photobucket.com/user/JCHavard/media/IMG_0111_zpsc48e8642.jpg.html)
Tuffhead Africa.
(http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/JCHavard/WbeestwLinda.jpg) (http://s603.photobucket.com/user/JCHavard/media/WbeestwLinda.jpg.html)
(http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/JCHavard/Zebra5.jpg) (http://s603.photobucket.com/user/JCHavard/media/Zebra5.jpg.html)
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For starters.... JimB, mate that's an OUTstanding looking photo right there!
I too will put my vote in for the TuffHead BH. I used them in Africa last year as I was wanting to try the single bevel movement. Well, the two warthogs I busted sure did not enjoy my choice !
Easy to sharpen if you follow the KME way...
If I shoot a single bevel now... TuffHead it is Larry.
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Originally posted by Jack Hoyt 75:
Just a little apprehension about the T H's and other well know heads that you have to use adaptor for? Seems like another step, more tine and chance of coming un glued? Do people really like using the adaptors or am I right that s rew in is easier with less chance of error?
I have come to prefer the glue-ons with an adaptor because I prefer the steel adaptor over the aluminum, and it seems that most of the screw-ins that I've seen use the aluminum (Zwickey No Mercy and a few others). I just like the extra confidence it gives me that the adaptor failing/breaking is less likely with the steel.
And of course, the tunability of the broadhead is an advantage, too.
Mounting heads to adaptors hasn't been a problem for me (so far), and if you worry about the bond breaking with either hot-melt or super glue, you could always go with a 2 part epoxy, and that sucker won't be going anywhere!
My 2 cents (probably worth less than that, though. Lol)
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Larry; glad to hear you are going on a Moose hunt!
The Tuffhead is a great choice as is the Abowyer Brown Bear, either head will do the job. IMO
Take lotsa' pics! :archer:
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Those Tuffheads look like they are built like a bank vault. I use grizzlies that come in at 160 grains with a screw in adapter and I could not be happier with that broadhead. It has worked great on big mule deer and I plan on putting one through an elk if they would just cooperate.
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IF I get drawn for a moose tag , I will be using my 62# Pronghorn and Grizzley single bevel.
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Originally posted by Benjy:
The adapters are easy to hotmelt glue in and with the options of short, long, aluminum or steel you can easily change the weight of the head by which adaptor that you use. It makes it easier to tune the broadhead to your setup.
Benjy
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John Harvard, Great Pics!!!
I think I am going to do some testing with Tuffheads and/or Ace but try some screw in Badger 150 gr. also.
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The bull in my avatar was about 1200# and 53". Took it with a 54# LB and a SB Zwickey No Mercy head. Got complete penetration with that BH riding a 750 grain carbon arrow. I belive in heavy arrows for heavy game - of course the shot was 6 YARDS so trajectory wasn't an issue!!
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I like Grizly!!!!
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I've seen tests with double bevel heads that did the same thing as the Ashby single bevel tests- and had good bone penetration myself with double bevel.
Whatever floats your boat, just factor in that a single bevel is thinner and less supported than a double and will need to be of very good quality steel and temper so as not to roll over or dull.
There is a reason double bevel is the edge of choice for knives...and for centuries.
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Thanks for all the input and lots of good idea's. John those are some quality pictures of your hunts most of been fun to have your DAUGHTER along with you!!!!
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Thanks Larry,
I'll be looking forward to seeing your moose photos!
John
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Good luck on your Moose hunt.
I have changed my setups to use the Tuffhead.
I have a Afica hunt in July and Moose in September.
I will be using the Tuffheads for both.
(http://www.buffsblackwidow.com/images/451.JPG)
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Single bevel has been good to me. Of course you need a good hit, but I have had great blood trails and short ones at that. Here is an example of single bevel blood.
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/jjeffer/Snapbucket/B1FCFA60-orig.jpg) (http://s47.photobucket.com/user/jjeffer/media/Snapbucket/B1FCFA60-orig.jpg.html)
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Marty, very cool. Not too many folks can take a photo of their broadhead overlaying an elephant tusk. I love your hunt videos so thanks belatedly for sharing all those in the past and look forward to your future ones.
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Originally posted by John Havard:
Marty, very cool. Not too many folks can take a photo of their broadhead overlaying an elephant tusk. I love your hunt videos so thanks belatedly for sharing all those in the past and look forward to your future ones.
So many good folks had a hand in putting that arrow and head combination together , I kinda hate to call it mine but thanks for the kind words