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Been waiting all weekend for the rain to stop so I could go hunt. I've got a decent 8 point, a good 9, and several small bucks and does on camera several times last week. So I was excited to get out there after 2 solid days of rain. It finally let up to a light drizzle so I headed out to the only ground blind that I have set up. Got in way early and had a good cross wind. About a hour and half before dark I look up and see a pack of 5 dogs coming down the trail. When they get to the edged of my plot they sniff around about 15 yrds in front of me. When they leave 2 males decide to mark "their" territory about 35 yrds straight in front of me. I thought about walking to the back of the property to a ladder stand to finish the evening but the wind would have been not so good and It kept going between a light rain and a light drizzle. So I opted to stay and hope for the best. With about 15 min of good light left I hear a deer blow about 50 yrds down wind of where the 2 dogs marked "their" territory. Never saw it so don't know what it was but it would have been the only oppertunity I've had so far.
I guess I'm just venting. I don't know who's they are and I really don't have many options on how to deal with them. Any one have any ideas?
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I had 2 giant Bull Mastiffs about 180-200# apiece walk in on me the other morning sniffing a deer trail, yelled at them to get their posteriors home and they started barking and growling at me but left.. I hate when people let their dogs run loose on other peoples property...
If they do it during gun season they are not likely to go home my neighbors will shoot them.
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Choot 'em.
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I had a big white dog freak me out one night walking back in the dark. He came running at me growling and barking. I didn't have anything but my bow. I yelled at him and he ran off, but so much for sneaking out of the woods undetected. Seen them from the stand several times, and it's irritating. But then again, maybe they will push some deer off the neighbors property over to me. You never know....
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a nice rubber blunt to the posterior might do the job- the dogs posterior that is :D
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Paint ball gun. I "trained" my neighbor's dog with it. He never came into the woods but did venture into my 5-acre yard and scared the grandchildren. Now he hides under his porch when he sees me coming on my bicycle.
He's lucky the paintball gun worked. Bothering the grandchildren is a whole lot more serious than bothering me.
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Guy down the road brought home two beagles, turned them loose and they ran the woods where I hunt for about a month. Every step I took they trailed it and up to me in tree every time I would hunt.
I'd run them off when I caught them following me, but they would just wait about an hr and trail me. I've got pictures of them on every trail cam day and night. One series with a Coydog, black coyote or wild dog on their trail..but they made it somehow.
Ruined the hunting where I was so I quit for about two wks..I didn't want to hunt my prime areas further back in due to them trailing me in and ruining those too...Luckily, meantime the whole clan, beagles and all moved.
But so did the deer..and haven't gotten back in daylight mode yet. I was walking 1/2 mile to hunt now I'm having to walk over a mile to get into game.
There's one or two..my eyes are bad..beagles sitting in the scrape. I've got pictures of a lot of bucks and does on that scrape..killed a doe and had a shot a buck this yr sitting on this scrape..before beagles. Haven't seen anything sense.
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Originally posted by fujimo:
a nice rubber blunt to the posterior might do the job- the dogs posterior that is :D
LoL!!!
My cousin has a recipe for a nice antifreeze biscuit!! Just kidding! But really puts a damper on your hunting. This is a small pine plantation and the deer just move thru. No reason for them to stay. So I've worked hard all summer with small food plots, brush hogging, cutting trails, ect...
Only to have my hunt ruined by a bunch of free ranging mutts!!
Really frustrating!
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Check with your local G&F in WY dogs running livestock and or game is against the law. It carries a hefty fine (not to mention a dead dog or two). If you know the owners of the dogs and have the proof maybe a fine or two will get the owners of the dogs to do what is right and keep there dogs on their property.
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Originally posted by Jack Skinner:
Check with your local G&F in WY dogs running livestock and or game is against the law. It carries a hefty fine (not to mention a dead dog or two). If you know the owners of the dogs and have the proof maybe a fine or two will get the owners of the dogs to do what is right and keep there dogs on their property.
Yep. My beagle would be a deer chasing fool if I didn't keep him in check. Dogs will do what dogs will do, but the owners are responsible, and should be held accountable if at all possible.
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I would be shocked if IL doesn't have a leash law. Looks like you have proof and the owner should have an opportunity to tie them up and then animal control is next option.
I've had permission in the past and even encouragement from my landowner to discourage dogs on his farm when I'm hunting.
I provided very persuasive discouragement to three, on separate occasions in the early 1980's.
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I had a talk or two with the guy and at first he did try to keep them on a leash, then a cable. I'd see them with short pieces of the leashes and cables dragging from their necks.
Went in before daylight one morning and heard some whining way back in the woods. I knew it wasn't my dog he was inside and it really didn't sound like a beagle so didn't check it and went on and climbed a tree and hunted.
On my way out I hear the whining again and walk back in there. The littlest one is tangled around everything..would have never got loose and the other one is sitting next to it on guard I guess it'd been there all night. The whole cable and a pc of rubber tie down were tangled.
I could have left things alone, (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/Iflytrout/Trail%20Cam/IMAG0037v_zpsxtcpghwy.jpg) but love dogs too much. After that he got rid of one and left the other off the cable completely until I told him I had been locking the dog in my shed the night before and until I got back from hunting (it stayed around my house all the time when not on the cable) ..and he put it back on the cable and then moved.
This was no joke to me..dogs can ruin your whole season. Even when I'd let the dog out of shed it would still get on my tracks and go where I'd been that morning. Got pictures of it sniffing a tree one hr after I'd put a stand in it.
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I hunted a friend's lease recently and this white dog was everywhere...wouldn't even move off if you charged at it...
Shame! Makes you think bad thoughts, but truth is the culprit is for sure the lax owners who have no respect for others property or it's intended use. As stated above, the dog(s) are just being dogs. This guy pays a lease fee to hunt, but the dog runs the deer.
When I was a kid in PA, there was, in the "rule book", a paragraph stating "...if a dog comes thru the woods or field trailing or running a deer, it was legal to shoot it!" No lie! :eek:
That has long since been removed, but one can see it was perceived, in years bygone, as a problem. Now, everyone wants to be free to do what they want...
Wonder if that pertains to US as well???
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Here's what happens where we hunt ; coon hunting or running coyote hounds at night ; squirrel hunting with cur dogs in the morning ; set in tree in afternoon shoot deer . Been that way for years ; deer just don't seem to pay any attention to the dogs at all .
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Originally posted by FAV 52:
Here's what happens where we hunt ; coon hunting or running coyote hounds at night ; squirrel hunting with cur dogs in the morning ; set in tree in afternoon shoot deer . Been that way for years ; deer just don't seem to pay any attention to the dogs at all .
They do when the dogs are hanging around under the tree you're hunting out of and every now and then looping around in big circles only to come back and sit in a scrape, etc.
When dogs are in the same areas day and night the deer move out.
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Originally posted by FAV 52:
Here's what happens where we hunt ; coon hunting or running coyote hounds at night ; squirrel hunting with cur dogs in the morning ; set in tree in afternoon shoot deer . Been that way for years ; deer just don't seem to pay any attention to the dogs at all .
I know living in coastal VA for several years, people were cultured to hunt WITH dogs for deer... dogs did the driving. Where dogs are used to do a variety of hunting in the same woods, deer become "accustomed" I'd guess to whatever is there, like they do to horse riders in more populated areas back North east.
Mobile society can create clashes of cultural norms like are formed with ways to hunt.
I suspect where FAV52 is, that deer are more habituated to dogs, and what he says is as true as those who find new dog incursions to be disruptive to deer sightings...
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Legal action against the owner may be possible, and hitting him in the wallet may be more effective than hitting him in the nose... just not as satisfying. It is not really the dog's fault; however if one becomes aggressive, the whole ball game changes. That is one reason I carry my Glock every time I go in the woods.
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well, unless I know who's dog it is it looks like a bona fide family pet I go by the old rule: SSS- shoot, shovel, shut-up.don't ever go to them first though! people live out in the country and think they can have their dogs run all over everybody else's property. Not so
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...one of my siblings was mauled by a neighbor's dog and we have had countless livestock lost over the years two dogs that should have been kept up.
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I have the same problems with a neighbor that has six dogs. I have cattle and have told him that I have seen them chasing and the only answer I get is a lie that he will keep them up. I guess my best choice is to charge him $1200 for my next dead calf and maybe that will change things.
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OUCH! Livestock losses and family mauling casts an entirely different light on simply messed up hunting... Yikes! :eek:
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Friends had a family farm, around 500 acres, most of it wooded. We hunted there, and my friend trapped there, and when the kids were big enough they carried BB guns there. There was always a problem with strays being dumped off, sometimes forming small packs. My buddy was checking traps one morning and a large dog, part of a pack of six that were there, growled, snarled and "attacked" him. Didn't make contact but charged and scared him enough to need to use his shovel later.
We discussed it and felt that if it were one of the kids instead of him it would have been a bad thing. That changed the way things were handled after that.
I love dogs and have had them all my life. Strays, especially large ones in packs, can be a hidden danger, to livestock, to deer and to us.
That said, on public land in the south half of Wisconsin, we have pheasant hunting. I theorize that deer that smell human scent and dog scent know they are not the ones being hunted and it doesn't affect their activities later in the day.
ChuckC
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Yep, now I'm officially pissed off!!! Between work and having to care for my wife and take over her daily duties for a little while ( she had a 4 wheeler accident and crushed her right hand) I've had very little time to hunt in the last several weeks.
Yesterday evening her grandmother and a friend came over to visit and I got a few hrs to hit the woods. So I went back to the only stand that's good for a south west wind. About half way to my stand I see the same group of 5 dogs coming my way. So I froze hoping they would just pass on by. When they get to about 20 yrds they spot me and the 2 lead dogs, a pit bull and a mastiff looking dog, begin growling and barking and charge at me. So I yell and they stop at about 10 yrds but keep barking and growling. I'm yelling the whole time and I eventually manage to get an arrow knocked since that was my only defense. But they turn to run before I can get off a shot. I wasn't really scared because I was freakin mad!! My wife and kids hunt this property as well. My wife sometimes goes by herself. Now I'm afraid to let her go alone and not sure if I should take my kids back untill I get the problem resolved! Needless to say I didn't see any deer or any thing else! I WILL be caring my pistol from now on because NOW IM PISSED!!!
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Arrows kill deer don't they? Would not have hesitated this time. In fact when I first saw them I would have gone into tactical mode to get a shot. I've been in this situation before and was passive before but not anymore. Especially with packs. SSS!
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Wow, I'm surprised the sherriff is not involved by now. I'm not a lawyer, but I'd certainly want a police report or two on file to back up your concern. You've got pictures to boot. Be firm with the police and demand action. we had a next door neighbor who let their dogs bark constantly. They have a fenced in back yard and would let the dogs run free in it while they were away and they would bark day and night. Called the Sherriff and they gave a warning. Called them back the next night when it started again. $125 ticket each time with threat of taking dogs away. No more dog problem.
Call the authorities asap.
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By the way, shooting any dog other than in self defense is absolutely wrong. Dogs are not the problem, people are and if you shoot a dog wandering on your property for no other reason than that, you should be prosecuted.
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Originally posted by Ray Lyon:
By the way, shooting any dog other than in self defense is absolutely wrong. Dogs are not the problem, people are and if you shoot a dog wandering on your property for no other reason than that, you should be prosecuted.
I agree. And that is why I didn't want to shoot them on site. My problem now is that they have shown aggression and I can't risk them attacking me or my family. I called the Sherrif's office and they said without knowing who they belong to there is nothing they can do. It's a small tract of land and There are a lot of houses around. So I guess I'll be doing some driving around and try to locate the owners. We'll see what happens!
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When a pack of dogs acts aggressively the game changes. If that was a smaller person or child the results could have been far different. I would try to do it all legally and thoughtfully, but it would get done one way or another.
Dogs fault or owners fault doesn't matter at that point (to me).
ChuckC
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Crittergetter:
I don't know what county you are in East Texas but I live in Jasper, County and in speaking with our Sherriff:
1. There is no leash law in our county so the owners have the "right" to let their dogs run loose.
2. You can take "defensive action" if:
a. You are in "fear" of your life
b. The dogs are chasing/endangering livestock.
He said the above like "wink, wink, nudge, nudge".
Thank being said, I did have a couple of the neighbors pits chasing my cows about a month ago and 2 of the 3 didn't make it home that night. Now only about 5-6 more to go.
Best of luck to you. I know how frustrated you are and the only resolution is to defend yourself from this pack. SSS is the best answer "wink, wink, nudge, nudge".
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HaHa! yall need to come to eastern NC where in gun season running dogs for deer is a way of life! cannot sit public land without a pack being close by. I actually got a doe with my curve that was being pushed by the hounds. They circle like rabbits. I had seen this deer go by three times that morning already. Each time I would get up and get ready but she'd be too far. Well on the fourth lap she was close! appeared quickly and I yelled she stopped and I drew and shot her.
I was able to get the deer out and the dogs up for the houndsmen, they thought it was cool I got the deer with my bow. Offered them meat but they declined just happy I got their dogs out to the road.
What is funny after hunting amongst dogs all my life is that a pack will push a deer or two by your stand but 5 minutes you can still hear the race of hounds and a deer will walk out undisturbed? feeding.
It is not the big hunt killer folks think it is. Let the dogs move on and the deer wont be bothered unless the dog is actually targeting THAT deer.
J
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For years I have carried a small container of pepper spray in my pocket. I started carrying it when I got my puppie in case a larger dog attacked her, but rather than have to remember to put it in my pocket when I walk the dog, now it just goes in there with my keys and pocket knife every time I load up my pockets.
It has been the law in California, maybe forever, that a farmer may shoot any dog roaming loose on his farm, and many farms are posted to that effect. I don't know if that would apply to a farmer who only has crops, but most farmers have some livestock around too, if only barnyard chickens. I love dogs more than anyone I know, except maybe my ex-wife, who usually has 12-15 of them around, but if I were a farmer, I would enforce that law. True, it isn't the dogs' fault, but neither is it the deers' fault that they happen to taste good.
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If these dogs show aggression towards you, who else do they also threaten? I agree with contacting the police and demanding action against the owner. Due to multiple aggressive acts, I also believe in the Glock. I have twice been bitten by dogs and know first hand how scary and dangerous it can be. This is far more than an annoyance! What if the next aggression is directed at a small child? There is a practical limit to the humanitarian concerns, and these dogs (and their owner)have passed it.
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McDave, how about if I just put some Tabasco sauce on a broadhead ?
:dunno:
ChuckC
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Originally posted by ChuckC:
McDave, how about if I just put some Tabasco sauce on a broadhead ?
:dunno:
ChuckC
There's probably more than one way to skin a dog :)
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I feel your pain and hope you can solve your problem. :banghead:
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8 years ago I took my newly trained German Shorthair Pointer out to the gamelands to see if we couldn't find a quail. I got there and every dirt road had people stationed 75-100 yards from each other and in the background you could hear the dogs running a deer. Now this is perfectly legal in my part of NC but my dog never left the truck and I feel lucky to this day a deer did not dash across the road between me and a hunter. I'll never go back until after deer season is over.
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Believe it or not, the biggest buck I ever shot at came in 5 minutes after a dog came thru. They both pissed in the same scrape. I thought the same thought as you when it happened. (hunt was over). Imagine how surprised I was when a booner walked in. I blew the shot. Not what you wanted to hear but I had to tell my dog/deer story.
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I understand both sides of this argument. I've always made a strong effort to keep my dogs in my yard. I don't have any now, but when I did, I used an invisible fence system. Some dogs, once trained to it, will not leave the yard even if you take the collar off. Others are gone the first time the collar battery dies. Most of my neighbors knew this and would call if they spotted my dog out, or maybe even load him up and bring him to me. A new battery and he was good to go, but I can understand a dog occasionally getting out. I also let my neighbors know that if he ever growled at them they could shoot him, or let me know and I would. I have young kids and I will not accept a dog being aggressive toward people. On the other side, there are some people around that let their dogs run loose. Haven't had one show aggression yet, but they have emptied trash cans and torn up stuff in the yard. I'm in the country, so when they start showing up regularly, my wife puts a 22 pistol in the kitchen window loaded with ratshot. A couple shots to the rump and they're gone for several months. We also have a deer season here for running dogs. My experience is similar to what was mentioned above. It does seem to push them a little more nocturnal overall, but I've watched dogs run a deer across a bottom about 150 yards away while a doe and little one were feeding beside me. They looked up but never left. We do seem to get more pictures of bucks after dog season opens though. I think the added pressure pushes them onto our lease where we don't run dogs. Won't matter this year though. The timber company that owns the majority of the lease land around my parts stopped allowing hunting with dogs after last season.
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I don't know about other states but in Kentucky if you kill a dog or cat " I'm sure self defense is a exception for a dog anyways" but it is a class D felony under Romeos law now I don't know about you guys but a dog just ain't worth taking a felony charge for in my eyes
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Originally posted by fujimo:
a nice rubber blunt to the posterior might do the job- the dogs posterior that is :D
good dog medicine :archer2:
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Where I do most of my calling if a dog comes in I been told to take them out. Same for feral cats.
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I love dogs but not strays running deer and turkey, I see that and they are done, put more than I can recall on the ground.
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Interesting isn't it.
To shoot a deer, an elk, a moose you buy a license, Shooting a dog or cat is a felony.
Quail, pheasant, geese ducks, skwerls, rabbits etc, buy a license, mosquitos don't bother, just swat. A raccoon in the attic, just call someone to kill it.
We drain marshes to kill off and " control" flies and skeeters, we poison coyotes and kill everything else that eats the bait or the carcass, we poison dandelions ( and ourselves), spray for all manner of bugs that hurt a farmers crop, but shoot a feral dog and its a felony.
What a world......
ChuckC
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Well I think you answered your own question partner. Dog packs can be especially dangerous as they often have no fear of humans like other canines. I run across dogs sometimes on public land here and just chalk it up to well the must have gotten loose. However, a group or single dog that is being aggressive is a whole different story. Lol you guys think dogs are bad. I took a doe on some public land this year that had about 8 cows loose! Including two bulls + a couple calves. I think you boys with farms know that those critters can be really dangerous. Anyway I hope you get it squared away. Let us know what happens.
Jake
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Who wants to shoot someone's dog? Not me, BUT they're not supposed to be running free in the woods. A dog owners responsibility is to see that that doesn't happen. If they don't care, why should I?
A RCMP friend told me to use the 3 S approach.
Shoot - Shovel - Shut up.
Haven't had to, but would.
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A rubber blunt will break bones and other damage. I can't see doing that to any animal. Use a broad head, gun, or just leave it alone.
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I only came close once with a couple of wild dogs running loose that spotted me and made a beeline charge right for me like their tails were on fire. I like dogs and wouldn't shoot one unless it was being aggressive toward me or unless it was running deer off my own property. I was bird hunting and had a shotgun. Put a shot into the ground in front of them and they stopped short of me. Of course that only left me with one barrel for two large dogs. Fortunately for all of us they paused for a second and then took off just as fast in the opposite direction. I really would have hated to shoot one..or both..but neither will I allow a dog to attack me in the woods or anywhere else for that matt