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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Djwallace on December 06, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
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First of all, HI :-)
I have been on here for a few weeks and slowly read just about everything....
A couple of months ago at a SCA event I brought a cheap recurve and some arrows from a vendors tent and went to the archery range. I had a load of fun doing something that i had not done for 25 years and decided that this was something I wanted to get into again. Boy its changed.... I'm not ever sure a compound bow existed back then.
I quickly realized that i brought totally the wrong thing and have been reading and listening to as much as possible. I thought i had decided on a new bow but then read lots of posts regarding ILF limbs and people were suggesting that purchasing a bow not suited to ILF as shortsighted as one would be restricted to limbs from that manufacturer in the future. Horror went through me and another week researching bows that would take ILF limbs.....
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but then I thought to myself. Exactly how many limbs do I want? whats the issue here. So many traditional bows are not even take down so if I want to change or upgrade do I just end up with several limbs for one riser or even several complete bows. just like my gun cabinet ended up?
So is this issue with ILF just a big red herring? at the end of the day i just appreciate works of art which just happen to be bows so why should i be bothered if it has ILF limbs or not?
opinions please..
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ILF bows are just one type of bow. Sure they have the advantage that you can mix and match limbs from different manufacturers, but that doesn't necessarily make them better.
The best bow for you is the bow you like to shoot the most. That may be some combination of ILF limbs and riser, or it may be something totally different. Choosing a bow that is not ILF compatible is not short sighted at all. Just a matter of preference.
The best thing you can do is to go to a shop or a big shoot that has a wide variety of bows and try different ones out.
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If you are in northern Virginia I could spend a day shooting and trying out bows with you.
There are inexpensive three piece bows that will allow you to increase strength with replacement limbs, or you can buy what feels comfortable in a used bow, then sell it and buy another bow that you like better. I have bows from 25 to 55 pound pulls, recurve and longbow.
As always, I recommend going to archery shoots that take place in the warmer months, as there will be lots of bows, and vendors, and folks eager for you to try their treasures for free. Live and learn!
Killdeer :archer:
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now if i were you Buddy i would go see killdeer. how are you killieDeer :wavey:
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Positively postal, Jeffbro!
:banghead:
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Just get what trips your trigger, and let the next guy shoot the ones that don't!
Bisch
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. . . that purchasing a bow not suited to ILF as shortsighted as one would be restricted to limbs from that manufacturer in the future.
I get around that by buying $60 to $150 bows at sales or from consignment that are 90% as efficient as the modern ILF bows (maybe more).
We have not yet determined that fiberglass laminated bows have a limit to their lives. Some fail, but it could be how they were stored or abused.
Some of the bows from the 1960's hold their own shooting beside the newest and best. And some of the woods are not available and cannot be duplicated.
So, what does a new set of limbs cost for an ILF? $100 to $400? You can get a VERY nice used bow for $400. The one I'm hunting with this year (quickly became one of my favorites) I paid $95 for two years ago.
Besides, take-down bows are ugly. :biglaugh:
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This, of course, is just my own opinion and preference, but I like the idea of an all wood bow. To me they are a work of art and most ILF bows seem more like a contraption.
I would probably feel different if I shot a few though. Like Droopy in the old cartoon, I'm happy!
To each his own. Try what you want and settle on what you like the best.
Good luck.
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You can just get a really nice new bow for 400. Or a couple used for that. I don't know much about them but I like one piece bows.
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Take up Killdeer's offer to shoot bows. She is very knowledgeable. I don't know her personally, but have known her for many years through Trad Gang. This lady makes sense.
Whoever you shoot with, try a variety of bows before putting big money into a purchase. There are lots really good bows out there that will do the job quite well. I, myself, am a Hill style longbow shooter, but I have spent time with various style bows. I suggest you do the same, so you can be confident that you pick what pleases you best. One word of caution, though. Few, very few, of us who have been shooting for very long have been satisfied to have only one bow. You may wind up collecting a stable full.
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To hear some folks talk, you'd think that soon there will only be bows that are ILF. I've owned more bows than I care to count, none of which were ILF. I've got one takedown bow now with two sets of limbs, but one set hasn't been on the bow in years...not even sure I can find the string for that set.
I just don't see the big deal about being able to have multiple sets of limbs. I'm a bow hunter. I practice with the bow and arrows with which I will hunt. There may be some merit to having a light set of limbs for form work, but I often wonder if that form will stay the same with a hunting weight bow anyway. I work on form with my hunting bows. It works for me, but as they say, your mileage may vary.
I still wouldn't worry about all the ILF hype. Find a bow that fits you and fling arrows!
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Originally posted by Killdeer:
Positively postal, Jeffbro!
:banghead:
Now that is a scary thought right there....
Good to see you posting again Kat... Your way with words has always been appreciated by this old bowyer. :)
I would definitely take killdeer up on that offer. The whole ILF thing is great for folks who love to tinker with different set ups, but they can be absolutely frustrating for beginners.
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Thanks for al the comments folks. That sort of confirms to me what's I was thinking and have decided that I'm reading to much on the Internet!
Going to go fror a one piece wood bow just. A question is which one. Great Plains, Toelke, etc
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Killdeer
Thanks for you offer, I'm in the farthest reaches of SW Virginia so quite a way away
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There is also the joy of the hunt to consider.
Buying older bows is like searching for a four leafed clover. You feel lucky to have found a good one, and then you search for the next.
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Hello.
My name is Bud.
I'm a bow-oholic. I'm nearing 50 now....
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Hi my name is Mark I'm a bow-oholic,although I roll,I mean I make my own.
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I would start simple and learn the basics of tuning before going ILF. I have just recently been turned on to a couple ILF rigs and I love them. The beauty in them is if you'll take the time to experiment and tinker, you can make them shoot exactly the way you want.
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I love my three ILF rigs. One is for rabbit hunting, one is for indoor shooting and it's a warf, and one if for 3-D shooting. But my deer hunting bow is a Wes Wallace take down. Archery is a big tent so enjoy it.
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I would pay to shoot with Killdeer.
Glad to see you are back Kat.
Take her up on it bud!
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Great to hear from you, Kathryn...thought you might have fallen into the 'Return to Sender' bin at the PO or something, lol! I've switched to ILF's and love them, but I wouldn't consider them to be a great choice to start out on. IMHO, you really don't need all that adjustability until you've got the form thing down enough to objectively assess whether you gain anything from it. Probably not a great analogy, but I'd compare it to a new wing shooter starting out with a .28 gauge...it's a weapon more suited to the experienced. Just my 2 cents, your mileage may vary.
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Bud B if you have too many I will take that black one at the right end and store it at my place for you. And the one next to it. Too many bows and not enough time.
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I will concur with the consensus here. If you are new to trad shooting, or just returning from a looong hiatus, a non-ILF bow would be the smarter choice to begin, or re-introduce yourself to this wonderful sport of traditional archery. There are a lot of variables to consider with tuning your bow to your shooting style (which will likely change rapidly while just learning or re-learning). Throwing ILF confusion into the mix too soon could be detrimental to your enjoyment. I advise getting a simple and solid bow to start. ILF certainly has its advantages, but that by no means makes them better than standard traditional bows. And I can tell you, there are a ton of fantastic archers and bowyers that will disagree that only ILF's will be around in the future. Blasphemy!