I am by no means and expert when it comes to ILF rigs, so I will give just my observations from my own experience.  I shoot the same set of medium length ILF limbs on a 19" EXE scream riser and a 13" VP riser, and I don't feel any additional stacking on the shorter riser at my 29" draw.  The differences that I do notice other than the increase 2#'s of draw weight are, riser mass, sight window height and finger pinch on the shorter riser due to string angle.  In my experience, stacking is more of an effect of limb length and forgiveness, shootability, or whatever you want to call it, is more affected by riser length. 

Beautiful!Art you can hunt with...
Dave.

Pat;
Thanks for the write up about your adventure.

Just a note, we are still posting bows on the website. Tonight, there should be 8 Harrison longbows and a mountain monarch listed. There's also a 40lb thunderchild on site.
We still have nearly 100 used bows to list, but just not enough time in a day! Thank you, BigJim

Thanks for the pics.

Quote from: BAbassangler on November 28, 2025, 09:18:02 PMKirk,  your bows are amazing!  some of the risers remind me of the Sovereign Ballistik, also with the tight radius tips.

Those old Sovereign Ballistic bows were way ahead of their time in performance. I actually shot those bows and patterned my geometry very similar to those limbs for my SS recurve design when i was prototyping. Incredible performance can be had with the right arrow set up.

Quote from: TaterHill Archer on November 28, 2025, 04:57:27 PMI have spent the afternoon reading on reflex/deflex designs.  I don't really know if my 13" VPA with longbow limbs is R/D  or not.  I am intrigued by the idea of going to shorter bows.  I've been shooting a fixed crawl and it wasn't good on the 58" ILF setup, noise wise.  but I could sacrifice a shorter point on distance to get it quieter.  I guess I need to try one of these mows mentioned and see if I can shoot one.  Which means, I'll probably get one and become addicted to it.

At the risk of sounding melodramatic, my choice in traditional bows changed irrevocably when I shot my first Javaman Elkheart. Prior to that I was shooting longbows from 64 to 68" long. Those are all gone now except for the 64" Toelke Whip, and replaced by bows from 52 to 58". I have seen the light.

Kirk,  your bows are amazing!  some of the risers remind me of the Soverign Ballistik, also with the tight radius tips.

Thanks buddy, I'll keep you in mind.  I bought a small handful of various ILF parts over a few years and am getting dialed in before I make a higher end purchase.  Riser looks great!

Quote from: BAbassangler on November 28, 2025, 08:03:46 AM"Experimental".  Sounds about right...VPA makes them down to 13" but I don't even like a metal riser below 50 degrees.  Actionwood ones on Amazon for roughly $100 without side adjustments(hmmm).  Might have to buy one and sell for cheap if it doesn't work out.  Probably would need to do some string groove or tiller adjust for centerline.

I build custom ILF risers if you are interested. I actually have a 17" one in stock made from canvas phenolic that has good mass weight to it. It has lateral adjustment set screws.   This one doesn't have the rest bushing, or stabilizer bushing, but that could be added.  Rattle my cage if you are interested.    Kirk

I'm adding some more bows to my in stock bow page this week too.

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