No you don't have to pre order but as Pat said see Miss Joanie as soon as you can when you get there, they don't last long usually. Also here is the schedule of events if anyone is interested.
 Pappy

Length wise I went 48" with a 1" form.

Quote from: Collett5149 on Today at 09:07:49 AMI need to downsize my longbow design to make bows for 10 & 8 yr old nieces.
I'm thinking 15-20# ish, but don't have a starting point for bow length.
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Andy

I did that for my granddaughters and took the approach of picking a length and reducing all components on a percentage basis and built on a percent reduced form.  it worked fine BUT I should have reduced the forward taper rate also.  However,  they were good bows and like Kirk says, they outgrew them pretty fast.

Yeah, readjust the nocking point would probably do it. I never understood the three under thing but I shoot instinctively and just look, draw, anchor and release. It's the most simple way for me and that's the way I like it.   
 I hope we can find someone to take these staves. It would be a shame if they got used for BBQ. 

Quote from: Pat B on Today at 02:19:55 PMI posted it on PA and I'll go back and include his name and phone number. I did put your email address on the first posting.
 I appreciate your comment about self bowyers. I used to be pretty good but now I'm just old. 

I'm right there with you Pat... this getting old chit ain't for sissy's.

It kind of cracks me up when someone asks me to tiller a glass or carbon backed bow for 3 under.     The tillering on a laminated bow is pretty much done with the limbs shape, taper rates, and different wedge configurations if the limbs width profiles are the same.  Oh sure... you can weaken top or bottom limb by sanding glass and change the tiller measurements. But that is NOT tillering a bow.... Tillering is carefully adjusting the way the limbs are bending, and where they are bending and balancing things out nicely.... The tiller measurements are just that.... Measurements.

But when the customer asks for 3 under tillering, I just say ok....   

I posted it on PA and I'll go back and include his name and phone number. I did put your email address on the first posting.
 I appreciate your comment about self bowyers. I used to be pretty good but now I'm just old. 

Quote from: Collett5149 on Today at 11:25:37 AMThanks, Kirk. I was hoping you'd write with some help.

I've built my share of youth bows, and have built some pretty cool miniature recurve bows too that are only 36" in length. But... they were labor of love bows, and i never sold them, and never will. They require as much work as a full sized bow.[

Quote from: Pat B on Today at 10:50:23 AMKirk, PA is slow this morning so when it's running better today I'll post your first post and give your email address along with an explanation of the situation. I'll be sure they know no shipping.

Thanks... I'd really like to find someone who would be interested in helping find homes for these staves, & appreciate them
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The gentleman's name is Tony, and he told me i could pass along his phone number. he has about 60 staves.    phone # 406 290-4511.  He will be making a trip to Oregon in the not so distant future looking to move back here from Montana. He's also looking at Redding CA.

Note*  I have nothing to gain by sharing this info. I'm Just trying to help a fellow self bowyer that is coming up in years, and slowing down his bow building projects.

Regardless of what many guys think, i believe the self bowyers are the true masters of this trade.    

Kirk

I just finished a 52" fhlb for granddaughters. It's 15@20" and 25@28" so I think it will be good awhile.

Actually shoots pretty good at 28" but need less spine arrows than I have.

Ordered some .1000 spine for it...

When they come up again , I can tell how they fit it, have parts for a sister bow ready but if not right weight I can up it or lower the weight...

Very nice.