I get your not liking to order online, Dale...but "facts is facts" as they say, and the days of the 'little guy' shop are dwindling fast. The big chains, when they do stock the minuscule amount of 'trad' gear (as they refer to it as) are generally manned (for lack of a better term) by kids just out of high school, buffoons, or wheelie geeks that can't understand WHY you would want "one of them things"....If you use some of the better online sources like 3Rivers or Lancaster, you'll get folks that know and love the products, and live it 9 to 5 every day. I don't like paying shipping any more than the next guy, but I know when I talk to someone and order a product, it's gonna be right when I get it.
There's value there.