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Author Topic: String building wax ? Noob  (Read 800 times)

Offline KevinK

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String building wax ? Noob
« on: February 19, 2017, 07:25:00 AM »
I just started trying my hand at building flemish twist strings on Friday. So far I've tried it 5 times, each time I get better and closer to a good product. I got the loop size and braid size where I want now just need to get my length scale calibrated. I am working with B55 now (because it's cheap and I have a vintage bow I like to shoot). My main question is on what wax to use. I have tex-tite, seal-tite and pure beeswax. I have been using the tex-tite because some store bought strings say never to use seal-tite. Is it OK to use seal-tite for string building? It is easy to work with and isn't as messy on the bow limbs. Tex-tite is just as easy to work with but makes a mess on the bow's limbs. The beeswax is so hard to work with, even if heated it melts then hardens quickly and my dog won't leave it alone. She has been going nuts trying to eat the wax and anything that the wax has touched.
Also, any other tips for a noob starting out on string building is appreciated. I plan on trying other materials when I get the hang of this so when using different materials any tips?
It is fun and not as difficult as I thought it would be. This is not a hit at the custom string builders as I can honestly say they are charging a very fair price for their time and materials based off of what time I've already put into this.
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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2017, 07:37:00 AM »
Wax seal ring for a toilet works well for string wax...a lifetime supply.
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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2017, 08:14:00 AM »
For me Tex-tite is to slick.  Try the beeswax.  I think you will like it better. I use a mixture of beeswax and pine resin.

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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2017, 08:58:00 AM »
I bought 2 sticks of natural beeswax from a natural products store yesterday. It is hard as a rock. Do you melt it first or something? And do you just use this for the loops and braids then maintenance wax with something else? I am quite partial to seal-tite, which is silicone based. Anyone know why some string makers say not to use it? Does it mix badly with other waxes?
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Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2017, 09:04:00 AM »
Mix 1 toilet bowl ring with a pound of beeswax, pour into small Dixie cups, you will have a lifetime supply for you and your friends.

I used to make a lot of strings for myself and my friends, this wax mix is the best I have found so far.

My friends used to bug me about making them strings all the time so I made them all a string jig and taught them how to make their own, problem solved.

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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2017, 09:59:00 AM »
x2 what Eric said above.
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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2017, 11:03:00 AM »
I make my own .
Two parts beeswax , one part pine pitch .
The trick with this , put it in your pocket in a plastic bag while you are getting set up , buy the time the string is cut it will be soft enough to do the ends .
That's all I've used for the past five years .
If you're going to make some , strain the pitch with a screen strainer .
A small chunk will last for a very long time .
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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2017, 12:12:00 PM »
I do 7 parts beeswax to one part toilet bowl ring. This has been working very well for me.

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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2017, 01:36:00 PM »
What Eric said--then you can tinker around with the amount of bee's wax to make it harder or softer if you want.  Basically the same recipie as I use.

For materials, my current favorite is BCY-X, but I've yet to do much with the new Mercury.  The best economical high performance material is Dynaflight '97.  Contact me when you are ready as I usually have some extra material at a bargain.

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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2017, 02:47:00 PM »
So I had a spare wax toilet ring and I metled up in a double boiler approx 2 part of the beeswax and 1 part toilet wax ring. Yes, it is super easy to work withnow. Thanks for the advice everyone. It does seem pickup dirt very easy. And I am getting close to accurate lengths. I twisted one up for my sage that was about 3/4" too long even with a lot of twists. I still went out and shot it to see how it would hold up (Sage is my beater bow and a good experiment subject. It held up. So I made some adjustments and made 1 for my vintage Grizzly. This one was about 2-1/2" too short. I redid the bottom loop and got it to 1/2" too short (53-1/2 ") with about 30 twists in it. Set my brace height right at 8-1/2 " now. After it stretches a bit I think it will be good to go.
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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2017, 01:20:00 PM »
For beeswax, I do a 50/50 mix (roughly) of some sort of oil and the wax.  The oil is usually a "Mediterranean blend" from Costco or whatever olive oil we have around.  I melt it, put it in some silicone cupcake molds, let them cool & you've got many a year's supply.  This mixture is good for bowstrings, leather treatment (boots), waxing broadheads against rust, coating the fletching end of my woodies (melts fast & I can rub it in when it's just a little warm) and a bunch of oddball uses.  Mix in some wood shavings and you have a heck of a firestarter -- half a cake takes a match very well and gives about 45 min burn time.  Tons of uses.

If you really want to have some fun with it, do an oil infusion of pine, cedar, bear clover, sage or whatever smelly stuff grows in your woods.  Soak it all in a jar for a few weeks and then add that oil to the wax and use it for your hunting gear.  Every time you use it, you put the smell of the woods on your gear instead of a more foreign smell like parafin.  I did an incense cedar infusion last summer and the wax still smells strong.

But be warned, my bees always come over for a smell for a couple days after applying wax to my string.  It can get a little annoying when you're at full draw and the bees start buzzing in your ears.  They don't like the sound of the bow anyway.  But I'm shooting less than 20' from my hives so you're probably fine.  If they start coming over for a smell, I just put the bow down on the ground for a few minutes to let them check it out and then they tend to leave me alone after that.
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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2017, 03:11:00 PM »
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But be warned, my bees always come over for a smell for a couple days after applying wax to my string.  It can get a little annoying when you're at full draw and the bees start buzzing in your ears.  They don't like the sound of the bow anyway.  But I'm shooting less than 20' from my hives so you're probably fine.  If they start coming over for a smell, I just put the bow down on the ground for a few minutes to let them check it out and then they tend to leave me alone after that.
Yeah I never thought of that. In early season here in Georgia the yellow jackets and european hornets love to harass me. They don't leave me alone and I think they are attracted to my thermocell. But without the thermacell you either get tore up by mosquitos, wave your hand all over the place or use bug repellent which stinks. Something else to bring them in.
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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2017, 04:47:00 PM »
Kevin:  You seem to have the wax problem figured out.  Of course, there was nothing wrong with the Text-tite you were using to begin with.  A lot of folks have used it for a long time.

Regardlesss, just wanted to suggest that you don't throw away your less than perfect strings.  If they're too long, can take apart one loop and make them shorter, or vice versa if they're too short.

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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2017, 12:49:00 PM »
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Yeah I never thought of that. In early season here in Georgia the yellow jackets and european hornets love to harass me. They don't leave me alone and I think they are attracted to my thermocell. But without the thermacell you either get tore up by mosquitos, wave your hand all over the place or use bug repellent which stinks. Something else to bring them in. [/b]
Never had a problem with hornets.  But the yellow jackets out here don't seem to care about beeswax.  I've had them harass me about jerky or other smelly foods when hunting in the high country.  But the wax doesn't seem to get much of their attention.
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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2017, 01:17:00 PM »
I have been making my own string's for a while now and i use 3 rivers string makers wax. works great for me
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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2017, 02:08:00 PM »
I ran out of the wax of been using, which o think was seal tite. So I started using the 50/50 bees wax and deer tallow mix I've got laying around. I usually use hat mix as a primitive bow finish for my self bows. It's a little on the soft side for strings but seems to work fine to keep the bundles together while I twist them up. It stays on the firm side at body temp but doesn't take much able that to melt. It works really well in cold weather. I've only used about a cup and I've finished about a dozen bows and made about as many strings. I've still got over half a quart. Plus another 3.5 quarts of rendered deer tallow to use for whatever later.

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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2017, 02:58:00 PM »
I have been using pure bees wax lately. But in a pinch I have used old surf wax (sticky bumps) makes your string smell like bananas for a while though.  lol.


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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2017, 03:36:00 PM »
Ah, Sticky Bumps and good old Sex Wax. I need to use some on my next string to remind me to go surfing!
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Re: String building wax ? Noob
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2017, 12:49:00 PM »
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I have been using pure bees wax lately. But in a pinch I have used old surf wax (sticky bumps) makes your string smell like bananas for a while though.  lol.


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Ha!  Never thought about using Sex Wax for bowstrings.  The soft stuff I have lying around for the local cold water would work great.  Good idea!
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