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Author Topic: Fletching cement......  (Read 928 times)

Offline Pete McMiller

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Re: Fletching cement......
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2017, 08:49:00 AM »
Like Bisch, I've used Platinum for years on aluminum and carbon shafts including Gold Tip, Carbon Express, Victory and Black Eagle and never had an issue with feathers staying on.  IMO I think it comes down to proper shaft cleaning - I only use acetone to clean shafts.  I also dab a drop on the forward and rear of each feather as well as an extra small bead on each side of each feather once the original glue has set.  I never have feathers falling off, even in the rain.
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Re: Fletching cement......
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2017, 01:10:00 PM »
I use denatured alcohol to clean shafts before fletching. It's also what I burn in my lamp for installing inserts with hot melt. I'd be worried acetone might attack the carbon shaft.
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Re: Fletching cement......
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2017, 01:27:00 PM »
Woodpuppy,  I've been using acetone to clean carbon shafts since 1991 and have never seen any evidence of a reaction between the two.  Just put it on a paper towel and rub until it squeeks.  Acetone is pretty volatile and evaporates quickly.
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Re: Fletching cement......
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2017, 01:36:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Pete McMiller:
Woodpuppy,  I've been using acetone to clean carbon shafts since 1991 and have never seen any evidence of a reaction between the two.  Just put it on a paper towel and rub until it squeeks.  Acetone is pretty volatile and evaporates quickly.
Cool, no worries    :)
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Re: Fletching cement......
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2017, 04:32:00 PM »
The following is a portion of a letter I got from Larry Griffith, President of Bohning.

 "We changed the Fletch-Tite formula based on a number of factors but mostly because of customer calls. We do our best to investigate, recreate and understand what that customer had occur, using both field and scientific methods.  Once we know what has occurred, we determine a method to improve our product. The possible solution is tested in a lab, outside at our facility and with the use of shooting staff scattered throughout the world. This is all done before a final change is made.

 

Over the 50 years that you have been an archer you have no doubt seen or heard of many changes. However, some of the changes are not easily seen or noticed by the archer. They deal with materials, coatings, unique chemistry of the end product, and methods of manufacturing designed to improve durability and reliability.

 

One major change most archers are not aware of concern the laws and regulations governing the use of chemicals. They are far more stringent. The war on drugs has very quietly impacted our archery community. In addition we investigate (and sometimes use) new chemicals and or design new solutions applicable to materials used in arrows and other archery products. The result are the changes as seen in products like Fletch-Tite Platinum.

 

I will tell you the number of changes occurring in arrow shafts, especially over the last few years, have been tremendous and are largely unrecognized by the archer. Even wooden shafts have changed. We have seen a tremendous variety of new woods appear. Rarely are shafts made from the same wood as decades ago because those trees are sold for more lucrative and profitable products, when they are available.

 

Aluminum shafts have undergone multiple changes in their processing, coatings, and anodizing methods. Colors and patterns rarely fade anymore. Carbon graphite shafts, too have undergone huge production and processing changes. No longer do you have to stand on a target (which is now made from any number of plastics) to remove an arrow. The ease of pulling shafts out of targets and the color fastness of designs greatly impact adhesion and the glues bonding vanes to coatings on a shaft.

 

We did test the current formula (and there have been approximately 4 incremental formula changes over the last 12 years) with wooden shafts (to include a very “sappy” pine), aluminum (both Easton and Doosung), and every carbon graphite shaft we could obtain from suppliers throughout the world.

 

Platinum works best in low humidity and temperatures between 40 to 90 F because it needs low humidity for the solvents to evaporate. The actual pull strength when compared the Fletch-Tite is 2 ½ times as strong as the old Fletch-Tite. If fletching in a high humidity indoor environment (40% to 90%) an archer should use an instant (cyanoacrylate adhesive). In fact instant adhesives, ours or any other manufacturer’s, must have humidity to allow bonding with the water molecule."
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Re: Fletching cement......
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2017, 10:14:00 PM »
Hmmm. Pretty sure I've never lived in a <40% humidity environment in Florida...
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Re: Fletching cement......
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2017, 02:40:00 PM »
Interesting letter, and while I don't have a dog in this fight, I was super bummed when Barge Cement was changed...  I don't have this on super authority from a letter, but I Have tried the "NEW" Barge and have field experience from several of my associates and I!

They changed one particular chemical in the formula, ostensibly, itwas due to kids "huffing" the glue to get high and ended up doing brain damage... Barge worked well on many applications as an outdoors man, but the stuff out today I won't give house room.  Same prep & even ramped it up some, and it still fails miserably!

There was only one brief note in the letter above about Govt Regulations, but IF, that is as reputed by BARGE, the govt requiring companies to create a product that doesn't work to protect people hell-bent on hurting themselves for the sake of a buzz says something about our country's future me thinks!
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Re: Fletching cement......
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2017, 03:58:00 PM »
Well of course you know it is big governments job to protect us from ourselves.

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