Traditional does not equal "barebow"

[Biff]

"DAMN"! A DEAD HORSE THAT BLEEDS!!  

[SteveB]

Paul Schafer used a rest.
Some here would not have liked him shooting at their events?

Steve

[James Wrenn]

Tom the only way I know you can compete with sights around here on your recurve is shoot mixed shoots with compounds.A plastic stick on rest scares most people and sight pins is just too much for many.:)You could be competative in the bowhunter class at most wheely shoots however if you wanted to shoot for score.If you just wanted to shoot for fun I think you could do that at most of the trad shoots but make sure you state that at registration or you will hear some crap.  :D

[Ben Maher]

i grew up with barebow recurves, 'curves with sight pins and barebow c'pound. It was all just flinging arrows. Would love to get some of those adjustable metal sight pins if they were still available. My next curve will have the sight attachment threads tapped into the riser. I'd love to shoot both classes. Ben

[TonyW]

Organized archery is as bad as organized religion. Two many high priests, shamans, and prophets telling everybody else what to do.

They can only do this on their turf, so that's why I spend my free time hiking the remnants of wild places. If some folks believe that instinctive shooting is mythology, and others believe that technology is a sin, who cares?

The IBO TRADITIONAL (TRD) dogma is:

FIRST COMMANDMENT: A recurve or longbow shot with fingers directly contacting the bowstring using a glove, finger tab, or bare fingers.
SECOND COMMANDMENT: Archers may use up to two (2) nock locating devices, but they must use the same nocking point and anchor point for each shot and the index finger must contact the string in the same place for each shot.
THIRD COMMANDMENT: The index finger must touch the nock of the arrow.
FOURTH COMMANDMENT: Face and/or string walking are not permitted.
FIFTH COMMANDMENT: No sighting device of any kind may be used. There shall be no markings on the bow or bowstring (intentional or accidental) that could be construed as sighting marks.
SIX COMMANDMENT: No type of draw check will be allowed.  
SEVENTH COMMANDMENT: All arrows must be the same length and weight.
EIGHT COMMANDMENT: Aluminum or carbon arrows must have screw in field points; wood arrows may have glue on points.
NINTH COMMANDMENT: All arrows must have at least three feathers or vanes no less than four inches long.
TENTH COMMANDMENT: No stabilizers, counterbalances, or weights of any kind may be attached or built into the bow, except a quiver clearly designed to hold arrows.
ELEVENTH COMMANDMENT: Arrows shall be shot off the hand or shelf of the riser only.
TWELFTH COMMANDMENT: An arrow side plate (if used) may only extend one  (1) inch above the arrow.
THIRTEENTH COMMANDMENT: TRD archers will shoot from the orange stake.


I must not be trad, because although I follow the first 12 of these commandments I never shot from an orange stake in my life. Shameful as it seems, I quit scouting when it became all merit badges and sashes and no scouting.

[George D. Stout]

Wow....the NFAA should have had some of you guys when they developed the organization in 1942; they could have been cleansed of all the rules-writing and saved us all from different classes of shooting.

[One eye]

Originally posted by Tom Anderson:
I'm curious as to when "traditional" archery became "barebow" archery. Seems like most all "trad" shoots are really barebow shoots.  Are there any shoots any more that have a classification for recurves/longbows with sights?It would be nice if some of the events like ATAR or ETAR would have a classification for bows with sights.

To me, traditional does not equal barebow.
I know, I know, I'm beating a deadhorse.

You say "tomato" and I say "tomato".  What is "traditional" to me in not necessarily what is tradition to you.
Dan

[TonyW]

George, if the IBO is Orthodox Trad, the NFAA must be Reformed Traditional. Here are the special dispensations allowed by these heretics:

1. Plunger buttons may be used to assist with arrow tuning. Expensive plunger buttons tend to offer micro adjustments and offer a smoother action than shooting off the shelf. This is directly forbidden by the 11th Commandment!

2.The NFAA traditional string may be of any color but must have a single color center serving. The IBO does not say, but this could be a violation of the 5th Commandment if the two colors accidentally are construed as sighting marks.
 
3.In the case of physical disability of the arms or hands, a chew strap may be used in place of fingers. As far as I can tell, the IBO 3rd Commandment states that since God gave Adam an index finger, if God took yours away, you must leave the Garden.

4. All arrows shall be identical in length, weight, diameter and fletching with allowances for wear and tear.   IBO 9th Commandment is unclear on this, so cross your fingers on this one.

6.Bow slings are permissible. IBO frowns on permissiveness - this could be a violation of the 10th Commandment.

[TonyW]

ISHI Trad Rules;

1. It is bad taste to talk at length with your mother-in-law.
2. The white man's gun is taboo.
3. Hit what you aim at.

[wihill]

Originally posted by atlatlzoom:
Wihill, I don't really see how someone who uses an elevated rest, but no sight, should be in the same class as someone with a sight.

Please don't think that I'm an expert on these matters, as I'm just starting out in Trad archery.

The reason I put the elevated rests in with sights (for me) into an "aided" catagory is becuase of the amount of latitude that can be caused from a plunger setup, or even modified kick spring for the plate.  The amount of spine tuning that these offer is astounding - I can turn a marginal arrow into a laser with just a turn of a screw.  This allows me to use a carbon arrow that won't necessarily spine with the bow, drop my total arrow weight, and flatten my trajectory - effectively reducing any need for multiple pins or significant holdover on the target.  We do this all the time in 3D and field.  Essentially it would allow me to design an arrow that would allow me to burn a single point into my brain and compensate for it, much like most people do without a sight, but the adjustment range is significantly reduced.

I hope this made sense.  

Right or wrong, I've never seen a set of competition rules as the defining set of limitations, but more as a guideline of what you can't do in order to win - eg, think outside the rules.

[MI_Bowhunter]

I'm of the belief that people should shoot what they are comfortable with whether it be from the shelf, using an elevated rest, sights, etc.  After all the point is to hit what you are shooting at.

Way too much time is spent arguing about it rather then enjoying the sport.  Also too many people end up shooting equip they may not be so comfortable with just because of someone elses definition of traditional.

Myself, I shoot 3d for fun and practice.  I don't shoot 3D comps where I am required to turn in a card and when I shoot leagues at my club I shoot open and never turn in my score.   That way I can shoot what I want and not have to worry about anyone complaining.

[Brian Krebs]

George ( Stout) - what happened to the people that shot with sights and such? Did they stay traditional when the compound bows got advanced; did those that went come back to traditional? Or did they stay happy with compounds ?

 I am one that hunted for a long time in the fifties and sixties with a longbow and a recurve; and then through circumstance; had to buy a new bow. The only place I could find that sold bows; was selling only compounds- so I got off on that tanget for a few years.
 But I shed the sights and compounds and returned to the path of enlightenment..

 But of those that were fascinated with sights and string walking and stuff - how many went the compound route.. with wheels and pullies and cables and sights and range finders - and left traditional bowhunting....

and what percent came back to trad bows?


     :confused:

[GroundHunter]

Olympic archery - shoot all you want with sights. Lots of shoots and tournaments. Biggest archery deal in the world every 4 years, and you can get a gold medal.  

No need to add sights to traditional archey shoots, where a bunch of folks just want to hone the old person, stick, bow, target paradigm unaided by sighting gizmos.