New to Bare Bow & need help

[bsigal]

After shooting compound for years I've recently switched to barebow recurve.  I have finally begun to group ends of three or four arrows consistently.  My problem is the groups are high and left.  I am a right handed shooter, shooting split finger.  Other than changing where I look, any suggestions, instructions, or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

[SHOOTO8S]

Left arrow impact normally indicates that your arrow's are too stiff....BUT left or right impact could also be a form or aiming issues as well.

High impact is easy to fix....just aim lower :)Or could also be a nock location problem

[Ssamac]

I would agree with the arrows spined too stiff for the bow. What draw is the bow and what spine on the arrows. Otherwise the bow might be too heavy so when you draw, you pull your left arm to the left thus high and left.
Or you are moving that left arm, and a right handed shooter will pull left, esp if the bow is hard to pull
Do you nock above or below the nock point? Try to shoot above the nock if you are shooting below. Might bring the arrows down. Has the bow been tuned lately?

Try some of these and see what happens.

Good luck
sam

[bsigal]

I don't think that I'm over spined.  I'm pulling a 44# bow and shooting Gold tip 3555 traditionals with a 125gr tip.

If I'm moving my arm, I'm doing it the same for each shot to maintain 2 to 3 inch groups.

Staying focused on spot I can't actually see arrow flight.  I've asked others to watch it for me.  They all have said that the arrow is flying straight and true.

Any other Ideas?

[SHOOTO8S]

According to yur bows performance level and degree of centershot, even left full length(30.5''?)the 35/55's may be stiff...if you haven't bareshafted, a quick check would be trying a very heavy point.

[bsigal]

I'm willing to try anything at this time.  How much heavier would you suggest.

My draw is short, only 26.5, so I figure I am only pulling 40# and my shafts are cut to 28.5

[SHOOTO8S]

Yeah with a 26.5 draw and a 28.5 shaft,with 40#'s on the fingers,your very stiff. I'd try at least a 200gr point, even a 200 gr point may just show some improvment, but still be a bit stiff.

[bsigal]

Won't that bring the FOC to far foward.  Right now I'm at about 15%.

[Soilarch]

15% FOC is fine...but in the trad world that's not high.  There are a few who are going to great length to get their arrows up to and above 25% FOC.

That stuff they grind into our heads in the compound world about high FOC dropping faster has pretty much been debunked.

People would put a 300gr up front on a shaft, then put 100gr up front and say "see, look...the lower FOC shoots flatter!"  Truth is the 400gr arrow shoots faster than the 600gr arrow.

A member here has been breaking flight ("distance") records with extremely high FOC arrows.

[bsigal]

I guess I still have a compound shooter's mentality.

Need to get some heavier points and see if it helps.


Be so optimistic that your bring the tartar sauce when you go out for Moby Dick.

[shortstroke 91]

I shoot 27" 45# on both recurve and longbow, my arrows are Gold Tip Ultralight Entrada 600 @ 28.5" with a 100 grain adapter and 125 grain head. This is the first set up I could find that actually shoots well for me.

[bsigal]

I'd like to thank all who responded to my original post. The heavier point helped considerably, but there were other problems that needed to be resolved.  After doing some extensive research on the web, ACSbows.com offered a download entitled, "Tuning Longbows and Recurves" which was most enlightening.  It explained what to look for when bareshafting and how to resolve any problems.  I was nocked very high, over 5/8".  As some of you suggested, I was over spined, I ordered some 600 spined shafts.  When they arrive, hopefully the will be the final solution to my problem.  I realise that I will have to go through the bare shaft ordeal again, but I'm sure it will be worth it in the long run.

Once again guys, thanks alot.  You've all be a great help, and your input has been greatly appreciated.

TNX, bsigal